The TRUTH behind Dragon Age Veilguard's False Inclusion
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Veilguard fans like to shut down discourse around this topic by claiming this doesn't matter, it's just a nice little addition that doesn't affect anyone or anything and we shouldn't care.
I beg to differ.
Hey everyone, thanks so much for watching, I didn't expect this video to take off so well.
I'm working on a small follow-up answering some comments left in this video that are too big to put into writing and that are also part of points I kept out of this video which was originally over 45 minutes long.
IN THE MEANTIME THOUGH, totally shameless self-promotion, but if you're interested in similar to this, check out my video on DEI: ua-cam.com/video/DqW2IYQ1-Ks/v-deo.html
I also have one debunking the ridiculous attack of the games media on Black Myth Wukong: ua-cam.com/video/ghD-bj6UzFw/v-deo.html
More to come. 💙
No they get away with it because they puppets
I always counter with if it wasn't that big a deal they wouldn't have felt the need to put it in there, and they damn sure won't let you mod it out.
Well because you guys make it a big deal which also makes you bigger snowflakes then the sjw
Funny how kids can use their imagination with action figures, but the grown rainbow force needs everything specifically tailored to look like them.
If you oppose this madness keep your $$ in your wallet. That's how you send a clear decisive message.
You should be saving/turning those $$ into appreciating tangible assets these days since the global economy doesn't seem to be looking so hot right now. Wages are being depressed for obvious reasons and the media lies for the State. Save your $ for food, you might need it sooner than you think.
@WeeG-bwc77 your coment has nothing to do with the topic.
@@andrewellisonlee Let's assume that you really don't understand how my comment pertains to the topic and try to keep it simple.
1. I felt no need to comment further about specifics as the content creator did a fine job in the 33:34 min video.
2. I believe that what they are doing is wrong.
3. I will not give them my money.
4. If enough people do not give them money, they will either change their ways or go out of business.
Well, others will buy the game, you know. The people who want to feel included? Not the people who are included, and feel like they aren't.
It's going to be interesting to see if enough of us are really mad, and Bioware flops with this rainbow unicorn game.
When they ask why we didn't buy the game come with that same energy. "It doesn't matter what I do, It's my money. It doesn't effect you. This money was not made for you."
I don't think people care about the inclusion of top surgery scars directly. The presence of this kind of inclusive feature isn't an issue in itself; rather, it suggests that a game, movie, book, or adaptation has been developed with certain set of contemporary political issues at the forefront, rather than as a genuine piece of art. This style of production has become all too familiar in the past 15 years, and many people are tired of it and find it lacking. I expect that the political pandering will seep into the story of the game, likely watering down the experience-especially as time passes and these contemporary political issues evolve. While this is a personal preference, I believe many people would agree, particularly in the realm of fantasy and escapism.
Those same " why does it matter?" People would lose their mind if conservative options were put in a game.
What so-called conservative options are there? Straight? Well you got it. Religion of your choice? You got it. We just draw the line at hating gay people and being racist bc it makes you not a hero, just a bigot
What would those conservative options be?
@@alanthe2Positive portrayals of religion, monarchy, traditionalism. Characters having center/right opinions, heterosexuality, reproduction.
Example: how many games can you pick your pronouns in?
Vs How many games can your character be a Christian in?
@@OrchinX True, I can’t think of a game I’ve played where Christianity is an option except maybe Civ, where you can even choose denomination but then again, I can’t think of any game where I can choose to be a Sikh or a Muslim. The only game I’ve played with pronoun options I think is BG3 though I accept this is becoming more common.
I think heterosexuality is extremely prevalent in video games as character creation options and in content. Though Cyberpunk by its setting allows gender fluidity you can choose for your character to engage in heterosexual activity and the same again is true for BG3. I think almost all Japanese fantasy RPG’s include heterosexual love and romance elements.
All that said though, I think a game told from the perspective of a right wing Christian guy watching the world change around him would be an interesting premise for a story based adventure.
@@alanthe2 Straight, white, playing the character according to your political views, they just disavow hate. And if you're gonna say "Conservatism isn't just straight whiteness" then you agree diversity must be included.
"It's an option" where's the option to turn it off then
EXACTLY!
It is their option for them to push their idelogy on you, you do not get an option to turn it off.
Just to not use it?? By this merit, a game with communist or socialist overtones should have a toggle to rewrite the game bc you don't like it. It's moronic.
@@EcardEcardianBut how is it pushing an ideology if they don't force you to like it? You can always say "no" and I wouldn't hate you for that, you're just making it bigger then it is.
and you cant´t even mod it out, Nexus mods is banning people who do it
The pre-launch shills calling this a GOTY contender.. in a year of Black Myth, Helldivers, Elden Ring... the blatant insanity around this game is just surreal.
Great video, i could not have explained all this shit better and i agree 100%.
You know Black Myth won't win, it's been in a controversy, it will be a miracle if it even competes, I would gladly eat my words on that though.
Someone, please get this to Asmongold
With as much as these people talk about wanting to be celebrated, it's like they want every day to be their birthday.
Good video, I like that you take your time to explain the argument against this stuff from the ground up without being reactionary and ranting. While it's fun to see outrage its probably does little to win over neutral parties and every video with these ideas against DEI slop is going to be someone's first.
I think your point about how from a shallow surface perspective the choices can be justified is very good, as is how you explain that this puts anyone on the other side at a big disadvantage as the burden of explaining the context falls entirely on them, thus there is a chilling effect on people speaking out against this. As someone who works for a corporation let me tell you any kind of stigma being associated with an idea is magnified by a LOT in that setting, and from what I can tell AAA games companies are about as corporate as it gets so no wonder the activists can easily bully their way to the top.
Thanks so much for the comment! That was my goal with this video and my DEI video which sadly hasn't done so well. A lot of this stuff annoys me and I know at some points I will be susceptible to talking sh*t especially when it's humorous (like when responding to Dot Esport's article attacking Black Myth Wukong)
But in this case here I wanted to be as chill as possible. These matters can be highly inflammatory and I think we need to tackle them calmly otherwise we're not gonna convince anyone, we're just gonna be as unhinged as "the other side" of the argument lol
One of the make or break things for me is if they remember to respect the lore of DA's unique magic. And i have to say from what i have seen/heard they aren't. Their first gameplay trailer showed a level one rouge rook using an openly magic ability with seemingly no explanation. So either their dumb presenter forgot to show off the equip option that allows a rouge to do that or they do not respect the fact magic is supposed yo be a rare, genetic trait that drastically changes a person's life. Then we have the guy from AXO(?), they do like 10 "blank" in games videos, he got to play the game early and in his tellings he mentioned on of the rouges has healing magic. To be fair on that second that could be because she has hybrid specialization, which would be acceptable, as long as it is in the specialization tree, sadly though my good faith is low.
Yeah sadly so much of Bioware's original developers who worked on Dragon Age series are gone. They had already started leaving even before Andromeda and Anthem's flops. Now "Bioware" is even made up of Maxis devs from the Sims, including the director, so it wouldn't surprise me if they don't know their own lore. 😣
@@TheDezembro here is some evidence that they don't.
1) they have top surgery scars even though Inquisition told us that stuff is done with magic.
2)they build their necromancer like a blood mage even though necromancy is about gaining/using death and/or the dead
3) the quiromancer posted Blood magic changed from an amp to a major component of evil things. Even though it hadn't been just an amp since before the story even started and the evil things you can do with it is the lore reason why it is hated and banned in almost every kingdom.
@@TheDezembro they don't just found a guy that explains all the class abilities. Non mages are literally using magic for their starting ability. I will not be buying even if the word of mouth is good.
As a fellow small yt channel I have to say your edits and voice is on point. Would appreciate any advice.
Oh, man, you came to the wrong place, I have no idea what I'm doing and I hate the sound of my voice. 😂 the only thing I know is that I spent several years with this account just occasionally uploading gameplay videos and it never grew the channel. I think that gameplay videos will always leave people at the full mercy of the algorythm, which isn't good. One of my videos got a big boost once, some clip from AC Odyssey, it got like 700,000 views, it didn't do anything for my subs, like I must've gotten 8 subs out of it 😂
Talking about issues such as this, and actually scripting some videos about the gaming industry, or praising games themselves, rather than just uploading gameplay clips, may actually be worth doing though. Fingers crossed. And good luck to you.
@TheDezembro thanks! ill put some thought into your advice. I think you definitely have a point.
Good luck to you also.
@@TheDezembro You're talking about a popular topic, you keep visuals on the screen to retain engagement, you're attempting to present insight into a nuanced argument, and you script your videos which makes you more eloquent and maintains the pacing of the video.
Don't be so modest, you're doing a lot of things to make this work.
I personally think your arguments were scattered and unfocused, but I also know it's really hard to make good videos and I leave my own awful videos up as a warning to others and a reminder to myself.
Game is super inclusive if you have a big head and clay skin. SIMs 4 characters identify with all Veilguard characters.
Dont.cater to the 1% of memtally I'll confused people
I'm a person who thinks both sides are blowing this out of the water. I agree that these things make no sense in universe, but I also agree that I can just ignore them.
But as such, I have to say that this video sounds to me like a non sequitur and a slippery slope argument.
Yes, it might be true that these little things will lead to a bigger thing, or even stem from a bigger thing, but that is not arguing the point of X, it's arguing the point of Y, therefore X.
The scars and such should be attacked or defended on their own terms. And stories getting worse should be a separate topic.
Personally, I don't care about the scars and stuff, it's the gameplay and story that look very meh to me, so I won't be buying the game. My steam library has 100s of games on a backlog, so why should I give the limited time I have on this planet to a game that's a 7/10 at best, if I still have tons of 8 and 9s that I haven't played.
But why parade it as a "hip and new" feature only for it to be censored/removed in nations opposing the ideas of LGBT anyway? FailGuard is lookin' to be banned from Muslim, African and Far East nations just from the character creation screen alone.
@@thientuongnguyen2564 Well they do what they think will make them money... the people at the top don't care about the content, they just care about money...
I understand what you're saying but I am a firm believer that these things are already connected. When your project is being influenced by these ideologies, you make decisions that fit that ideology.
For example the terrible options for female bodies are yet another thing pushed by these ideologies that is present in Veilguard. So that's at least 2 things now.
It *COULD* be "just one thing", like how in God of War Ragnarok, for example, it was only a black Angrboda, a mythological figure of a real-life culture.
But often times it's not just one thing, it's stuff that follows a very identifiable pattern.
@@TheDezembro I would agree that most of the time these things are connected, yes. But when people point them out as "red flags" it's often a "preaching to the choir" moment.
If we think back on the "efing pronouns" video, the people agreeing with him already know his position, and the people who don't were just very confused by what that is an issue.
I would argue that the scars are a bad thing because they break the worldbuilding of the game. Kinda like putting a mount skin in a fantasy game that looks like a modern car. It affects no one, but it shows that the game prioritizes money over story. THAT is the point I could get behind, and from there, you can argue how too many straws will break the camels back.
You mean blowing it out of _proportion._
To "blow something out of the water" means to destroy it or prevail over it to a substantial degree.
Each option and break in the lore in the name of “inclusion” is a little flag planted in conquered ground.
True, we didn't get here where we are all at once. But that's where this gets complicated as well, 'cause the point where this diversity stuff started at, wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Ain't nothing wrong with diverse characters in places where they belong, but the DEI-Policies themselves, with quotas and sh*t is where it all started falling apart bit by bit.
Like those guidelines from microsoft at 27:59
@@TheDezembro “where they belong” is the key here because most often it’s just shoved in haphazardly.
@@Sylentmana Yeah and so needlessly, too. It's like they just want to watch the world burn, why f*ck with all this stuff? Why cross lines that we all, as a society, have already established as lines that shouldn't be crossed?
(Like whitewashing characters, for example. We all agreed its bad and hollywood should stop doing it - but now we're blackwashing characters, even historical or mythological figures like Zeus, Achilles, Anne Boleyn, Hannibal Barca, Cleopatra... Like, wtf are we doing this sh*t for? 😂)
Why do we look at a mostly-homogenous European setting like The Witcher and inject a diversity quota into it? (via the Netflix series only, of course) Why can't we just let things be where it's not appropriate when they should know that it's going to come off as hypocrisy, doube standards and baiting conflict? Ugh. 😅
@@TheDezembro Gears of war was diverse, in an American way. Marcus, Dom, Kim, Cole Train. This is diverse but it's not ugly, they are individuals. Cole Train isn't just a black person he's a Trashball player and a kickass COG. Dom isn't just a mexican, he's Marcus's best friend and loves his wife Maria. Marcus isn't just white, he's the locust destroyer.
@@chomnansaedan4788 And none of them were Diverse at all, they were just Gears in the COG.
Imagine whining about marginalisation while being the director of a multi million dollar franchise.
Not a single one of the "groups" that they claim to be marginalized are; they are the most privileged, in fact. They actually rely on prejudices to push their agenda.
Months in celebration of them, corporations pander to them, sports teams pander to them, local news airs parades for them, social institutions dedicated to them, can't question their ideologies, motives or logic, etc. etc. on and on.
I am diabetic. I am so glad that they don't include us In survival games, imagine you're playing Minecraft and you die after you eat a cake because it has sugar in it
Then people actually mod such diseases in because fun isn't an option.
Should've been included as a difficulty option. 😂😂
That would actually work in that setting, though. Like as a debuff
@@Lauren007E Exactly. I don't want to be reminded of the shitty disease I have
@falloutrains2641 yeah for sure, all I think of when I see "top scars" is breast cancer so I don't really want to see it in game
first time that I saw Corrine bouche in the interview i didn't even paid attention to her gender, until the moment i learned that her qualifications consist of mobile games and sims, and I was just shocked on how the hell did she become the director manager of the dragon age, as for the concept of inclusion forgetting even the setting of the game and magic and such, they could have just simply, put the scar as a generic texture on the body and gave the people the ability to morph and position it as they like, instead of naming it like that, so it's clearly those scars are not just an option, it's an agenda, and can I just point out that those surgery scars are not only exclusively created for gender change operation, many woman who suffer breast cancer, also have them, so it's just seriously ridiculous! (Maybe one of those woman will be playing this game (to get away from reality of life, which it's one of the reasons people play video games) and you shoving THE OPTION to their face (which as i mentioned above you could have easily fixed without resorting to this)
It's pretty clear that Busche brings significant game design skills from the Sims most recently. We're talking project management skills. There are others on the project like John Epler, Mark Darrah, Patrick Weekes, who are dripping with Dragon Age lore and expertise. The next effect of the collaboration is that (according to previewers) the game is tight, polished and the best combat and 'full-fat' RPG loop it has ever been. The 'drama' over scars and pronouns is truly irrelevant foolish nonsense.
@@sofajockeyUK Dripping so much they can't make Qunari look right
@@wearegeekoclock Or get the combat physics to stick - Pause at any point on practically any video showing combat and when you look past the particles and the bloom and the mountains of popups on the screen, the physics and continuity is a hot mess. Most people who like action combat may not look that deep. Prob is, coming from DA:I, BG3, and the MELE trilogy, I AM looking because in those games I COULD look. It's glaringly obvious this game wasn't made to pause for screenshots during combat - regardless of the photo mode. 🤷
Literally no one ever thinks about representing cancer survivors (for instance). My mother had a breast removed because of cancer. I'm sure you can't make a character missing a breast, though. This isn't about representing everyone, it's always just about one special group.
@@Sm28291 he
Do trans people want to play as the gender they identify with or would they rather play as someone was born in the wrong sex and had to transition? That's like me, a skinny guy, wanting to play as a guy trying to hit the gym instead of a muscled up man.
These people cannot be understood using logic.
Personally as a trans woman I wanna make a flat chested curvy character with a BBL & thick thighs but I can't cause woke
@@nessy3338you're a man though
The muscles thing is not the best example. Visual progression through muscle growth can be a really interesting addition to games. The original Fable had it, as did a Skyrim mod called "Pumping Iron".
Not really a trans issue (or a diverse "woke" issue), more just these individuals have some level of narcissisms.
They want to play themselves, flaws and all (though they will never see it as flaws).
To see themselves recreated on the screen. Not their idealized selves, as they are already "the ideal" as is.
They are not looking for the fun of escapism or to be someone else and see the world through different eyes and do actions you, yourself would never do.
Since they seem incapable of empathizing or relating with people or stories that do no mirror their own narrow lived experiences.
Which is why we get stuff like this.
My mom has these scars. Want to know why? She is a twice cancer survivor.
Woah.
Your mom is a warrior. 💙
I read a comment about this earlier, and I totally forgot about this. I'll mention it on my follow up video answering some comments.
@@LockDOTspot my mom had heart surgery twice in the same year meaning they had to open up her chest and fuse it back together twice. The scars are real and are not a smart option to be put in a video game many of us use to escape the harsh reality we are living for a moments pause.
They keep asking why we care, we keep telling them why we care, they keep saying "No, your just homophobic, racist, transphobic, sexist, etc". Everytime.
Right, they should address the actual arguments. I'd be interested in hearing that.
Who tf wants cellulite on their character?! Why even, how did they chose it over ingrown nails for example.
Hey, a little cellulite can be hot...on big asses that is. You cant do those in that game though
That's such a funny point 😂 like yeah, I mean, playing by their own ideological rules, why is cellulite in there but ingrown toenails are not? Where's my haemorrhoid representation?
Amputatees, deaf, blind and dumb; fetal alcohol syndrome; downs syndrome; albinos; gigantism and dwarfism; conjoined twins: none of these (or most of them) are in the game.
They know what they're doing. My girlfriend says it's trendy. I think she's right.
I despise the "can't have attractive women, it's unrealistic body standards." Meanwhile the majority of these people Fawn over celebrities like Henry Cavil, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, etc. As if those men aren't unrealistic expectations of men. The double standard and hypocrisy is my biggest issue with these types. I think the biggest difference between those people and sane people is, we see someone like Henry Cavil and see a man to strive to become, if I go to the gym and work hard, eat well, take care of myself maybe one day I can look like that. Whereas these easily offended types just scream "it's unrealistic" and expect you to change to accommodate them
Just don't buy it guys, NEVER support people that hate you.
The modern audience will save them. Every game that includes their religion, leave it to rot.
I bought it for the story i wanna play and because I am a huge Dragon Age fan. But this may be the last one I buy (DLC aside). I feel rubbed the wrong way and it might be time to stop buy new AAA releases. Just stick to my MMO and play older games. Something aint right anymore.
They purposely uglyfied the game with 30% bigger character heads and stubbyness making everyone feel unheroic.
Elves withouth their ears are just ethnic humans. Cover the ears and they look more human than the humans.
qunari look like deformed soyboys instead of like one of the few positive aspects of DA2.
Darkspawn now have a goofy aspect, not at all menacing but ridiculous instead.
Women in general are only allowed to be slightly feminine. It's a neofeminist's wet dream basically. Male gaze averted.
Still no origins, the feature that MADE Dragon Age great. Because lets just have a different focus on every incarnation.
Where is the violence that used to coat everyone in red?
This is not The Sims... it's supposed to be an M rated game.
It is made to attract younger players. So you can push the woke message to youngsters. Also called 'grooming'.
Oh my god, yeah the heads... lol I can't f*cking unsee it now.
Why the hell did anyone think that this was gonna be a good idea? Then people got mad at me in comment sections for calling this "fortnite age".
Ugh. Change is always difficult to contend with, but when your change is this drastic, you may as well just make it a new IP and save us the embarrassment of seeing SO MANY original values of a franchise getting bastardized.
Sadly Darkspawn designs (outside of Corypheus) have been downhill since Origins so I'm not surprised they look garbage here.
Dragon Age had always have a serious tone to it but the minute I saw the trailer, it has made me thought of Overwatch, Fortnite and the similar. What a disappointment.
@@TheDezembro Right, if they can ignore their original fans that made their game popular, may as well make a new IP.
I don't really get this. There are only 2 genders, and either you feel attracted by the same gender or the opposite gender. If I felt like my body is the wrong gender and I choose to transition, the last I would want... is be reminded of the fact that I transitioned and be reminded that my birth gender was another one. Unless you are a activist and you want to make a point.
It's virtue signalling, plain and simple. They're looking for validation of their echo chambers.
@@Adanu191 The virtue signaling they do is all for show, you see them contradict themselves left and right. It is validation they seek. That and fame.
People who are "trans" without actually transitioning anywhere are just attention-seeking straight people, LARPing at being a minority. That in itself wouldn't be much of a problem if they weren't messing with the heads of confused and impressionable gay children, for whom actual transition seems like a way to "fix" the seemingly irreconcilable situation they find themselves in.
Different people have different reactions. These are optional toggles. I hope no-one wants to play on hard difficulty if they can't figure out three clicks in the settings.
@@sofajockeyUKExactly what was said in the Video. The option is skipable, the Ideology is still there, and who knows how much more is in the game. No need to play on hard, not giving money to the cultists is the only Option. Make it the next dustborn
Two things that are truly making me rage about the politics in this game:
1) Gender affirming surgery including top surgery WITHOUT SCARS is canonically available in Tevinter - the city the game is set in. The ONLY reason the scars are even viable in the creator is because the devs REMOVED the schools of magic canonically used to perform the surgeries (blood magic and spirit healing). The only instances of these schools of magic in this game are "true evil" and therefore not usable by good characters (per the devs in the first couple of Q&A's). The canonical existence and method for the procedures are described in detail in DA:I by TWO CHARACTERS and in the lore entries. IF scars are in the game to accommodate the lore changes why is it not with all the other scars including a dozen or so scarification patterns and other types of scarring?? The only logical conclusion I can come to is that the whole thing is a deliberate retcon and prominent placement in the front character creation screen to spark outrage.
2) By all the current BioWare rhetoric, I'm THE example of their target market - fat, queer, nonbinary, purple hair, advocacy volunteer in two organisations, and working in mental health and social work. So I was baffled with the response when I mentioned the issues I had with the tokenistic feel of the character creator, the lack of care for accessibility with all the migraine/motion sickness/epilepsy triggers with the use of colour saturation, flare, bloom and particle effects. Why was I dog piled by all the people professing to be "social justice activists" and Bioware employees and "community panel ambassadors"? WHY was THE ONLY comments section I have NOT been misgendered, ragged on for my looks, called a bigot, and dog piled in comments was - wait for it - Asmongold's comments section. Fucking Asmongold... The dude widely considered to be owner of one of the most toxic followings on this platform. Don't get me wrong, I'm very twitchy around his account because I DON'T agree with a lot of his vids.... but I find it EXTREMELY ironic that his comments sections are the ONLY place I haven't been abused and bullied from the comments section and in my DM's over questioning why 'inclusivity' in this game feels like EXCLUSION.
I can honestly say for my own experience - which I admit is just MY experience - Yes, I would like my body represented... the fat body with big boobs that carried me through years of half marathons, medieval sword fighting reenactment in full armor, abseiling, fusion dance and blacksmithing. My body was perfectly capable of being fat and heroic so yes, I WANT that body represented... which it is NOT possible in this game. What I do NOT want is tokenistic statements on the front page. I don't want labels of "body inclusivity" that is NOT inclusive of my body. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by the OPTION for any sex/gender/voice/body/scarring/pronoun combination *in the relevant menus where they belong* . I don't want it rammed down my throat like an obligation to use them. I want my characters to be my choice, I don't want to feel like I have to make a fucking statement every time I roll up a character.
BG3 did it right. ANY character could pick from a list of 'voice 1, 2, 3, etc'., genitalia 1, 2, 3, 4, etc., gender 1, 2, 3, 4., scar 1,2,3,4 etc. NOTHING was labelled, it was just "pick the combination you want and have fun. THAT was an absolute blast for me. I could truly create a character how I wanted without having to deal with political or gendered BS (and I mean BS from BOTH sides of the argument).
I'm a grown assed adult who's pushing 50. Maybe it IS that I'm just considered "too old for the modern audience "tm... but I just want to play a fucking video game. My life has been shit enough, without cosplaying the worst parts in a video game.
This was very insightful and relatable. I'll be doing a follow-up where I reply to the comments here since I didnt really manage to fit everything I wanted into the video itself. So I'll reply to it there. I'll leave another reply here when I've uploaded it if you're interested.
Thanks for sharing. I really appreciate your experience and perspective.
Easy. Just give people MORE options, don't TAKE AWAY existing lore and options.
There are no brakes on the progressivism train.
Queer people are merely the latest victim who fell for the con and thought they could get out at their stop, but like JK Rowling they're now finding out that it was never about their issues at all and only about instrumentalising them to advance the dialectic another turn.
The reason BG3 does it right is because the premise was solely about providing as many options to players as possible, it wasn't about pushing any kind of politics or ideology.
I am legit tired of hearing this. It is 1% in California, in the rest of the fcking world its even less, like nothing in compare to average population.
To me, matters of diversity in all aspects should fit within the game's universe. Top surgeries wouldn't make sense in a fantasy world as it's a modern phenomena. They could've just added an option to reduce chest size to basically non-existent without the surgery scars. Mixing feminine and masculine features is fine as an option. Vitiligo is fine as well as they naturally occur.
I just really don't get top-surgery scars when there's no way there's a modern-day top surgery procedure set in a medieval fantasy world.
I even heard one person who looked at the char creation and said "why are their top surgery scars? We have wild magic, in a fantasy world, why would they keep scars?"
These attempts at "inclusion" make me dislike them more. They will never be satisfied with tolerance. They want your things too.
Disney is ripping what they`ve sown, i can see Disney heads be like "wait whut we do wrong ?" or "why are you biting the hands that feed you this type of content ? "
*reaping
@@Carneficeliterally what i came here to say lol. But otherwise, his point stands
@@red-merlin haha yes he's absolutely right. Just had to be pedantic :D
@@Carnefice odd, i usually see most people type ripping instead of reaping
@@nerodeathstep5239 it's absolutely reaping. "ripping" what you sow makes zero sense. Then again, a lot of people on the Internet are r3tarded
Very well said. I also belonged to the 99% of people who have been nice and tolerant, thinking that this propaganda (strangely limited only to the western world and especially USA) was a minor fad that didn't matter.
It took time to realize that in reality this was a spreading cancer which was slowly going to corrupt everything and ultimately remove my freedom to have an opinion and to state it.
From that point on I could no more stay on the sideline and accept that this ideology spreads farther. And there are 2 basic things that each one of us can do :
1) Say that we see what we see and that we don't condone it and that it matters.
2) Stop giving money to anybody who actively promotes this ideology in entertainement, medias, politics or economy.
Us "crazy christian conspiracy theorists" arent so crazy now huh?
So, this is a packed statement. And kinda dumb, why would freedom be a fad? You do in fact have your freedom to state an opinion too, you have your rights still. You just don't feel like you don't, because you're not the majority anymore. So now you have to deal with consequences to what you say. (Which you were only exempt of before due to the crowd backing you up) You're entitled, both in a way to your rights, and as a whiny baby man.
@@ElysiumFields306 What says that I am a man ? And what is this dumb statement about "majorities" ? I am afraid that you are just ranting without understanding what this is all about.
@@wohargRadu Is that not you? Rambling? What truth is there to your statement on "woke agenda"?
@@ElysiumFields306 You don't get it. Consequences for stating facts is in fact a problem. If you want to silence objective truth, such as calling a man a man, because a man can never be a woman, then we are in deep shit, called tyranny.
I have a very simple analogy that will make everyone understand why this game is so wrong and bad, even before launch, "you can cook food without salt and add it later, but you can't cook with salt and no food". Veilguard is all salt and no food: the interface is a joke, the art direction appaling and the combat is beyond bad, this is just sad to see at this point. You can't sprinkle inclusion on top and make all of that magically work.
Yes, yes, yes! Thank you. I've been saying that for some time now, this "why do you care, it's optional, just ignore it if you don't like it" argument is so naive regarding what's really going on, and the real agenda behind the inclusion of these "options".
Is the agenda in the room with us? You love to act like a victim yet here you are, obviously and plainly stating your opinion in an echo-chamber.
Don't act like the agenda is some sort of delirium on my part, moron ^^ It's like a key feature of Sweet Baby Inc, they exist for it, they don't even hide it, they wear it proudly. But nice try.
Complaining won't help, they'll just call you names, I think it's time just to stop caring and not buy. Leave them in their echo chamber a see how it will work for them.
remember, there is a lot of old good games, we can just wait for better times and end of woke culture
If you don't boycott then they will keep doing it. They need to fail in order to get these people out of the industry.
Sales are matching expectation. It'll be a success and I'm all for it.
@@sofajockeyUK So in other words they expected it to fail.
@@teyrncousland7152 You're not being very smart. Investor expectations are to cover budget and make a reasonable profit. So if preorders are in line with expectations that means it'll cover its budget and make a profit.
"Get these people" aah, yes, just a straight up bigot. Hope you know it's gonna do good.
@@sofajockeyUKproblem is preorders look bad
game literally made with tokenism and identity politics as top 1 priority. Not surprising considering who is game director.
Don't accept WOKE politics in games. Boycott WOKE Games. Boycott Dragon WOKE FailHard.
Bioware is already on its last legs. If Dragon Age fails, the company will go bankrupt.
@@corvus_armatura7595hopefully so, it's long overdue
The ppl who started the company are long gone anyway
Dragon Age is woke! Alan Wake is woke! Zero Dawn is woke! Ghost of Yokei is woke! Will you have anything left to play by raging about such foolish nonsense?
@@sofajockeyUK More WOKE games you buy, more WOKE games they will make. You can play Wukong and Warhammer Space Marine 2.
@@mrmurdock6994 To be fair, both of those games look pretty good. I used to watch the 'Monkey' stories on TV in the 1980's. I won't play them at launch because I like a good story and the games are more arcade boss fight combat. But I'm sure I'll play Wukong at some point. I'm most excited for Dragon Age, AC Shadow, Zero Dawn and in time Ghost of Yotei. We like in a great era for gaming.
I am so happy to see the gaming community's response to this piece of sh*t. This is not a Dragon Age game
They also made the antivan crows, the evil assassins a friendly faction, because they do not know shit about the lore.
You can turn these features off, but you can't turn on the feature to create a real woman.
I mean, lots of real women, particularly thin women, don't have much butt/chest. That's still not a good reason to exclude these options, though.
I put this bad look down to the bizarre art choice decisions in this game. For whatever stylistic reason, every character looks like a vaguely androgynous short bobbleheaded pixar character. Who the fuck decided that would be well received?
I'm just going to keep playing bg3 over and over until I die I guess
Lol, indeed
Well the transformer game director.
@@Butmunch666 That's the main reason.
Yeah it's stupid how they had to make females way less looking like a female and more like a damn skinny dude just to not affect those sick minded freaks... Disgusting shit
"Why does it matter?"
Because Cassandra is the only good relationship in DA:I for straight men. The rest are romantic but not made to be in a relationship. Meanwhile, gay guy? Gay lady? Massive amount of choices. Romantic options matter, and being straight is the worst possible thing you could be in a Dragon Age game since Inquisition. I just want a nice gritty CRPG without this pungent queer air chocking every crevice of the game down to its design, and Veilgaurd has done nothing to show its not going even farther down that route.
Also the elves are discount dwarves. Passed.
Same with straight girl, i literally got forced to do Cullen, bcs dorian was locked to be gay
Cullen is top notch but he isn't a companion, just an advisor, which mean we'll get less content from it since we cant have banter with them during missions and explorations
Sure blackwall and solas are there, but bruh...
It reminded me why i never romance anyone as female hawke in DA2
Is the “massive amount of choices” in the room with us? Gay men, straight men, and lesbians have the same number of potential romances. Straight women have four.
- Straight males get Cassandra and Josephine.
- Gay males get Dorian and Iron Bull.
- Straight women get Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, and Cullen.
- Gay women get Sera and Josephine.
Cassandra is easily the best romance in the game, but regardless, all the romances in DAI are pretty lackluster. Claiming gay inquisitors have this whole slew of options when there are only two respective gay/lesbian romances in the game is silly.
@@heyygallo Yes, they are right there in the room with us. They ALWAYS ARE. If they WEREN'T, nobody would be complaining. Not even you.
@@KopperNeoman your reply doesn’t even make sense. my point is that all the gay inquisitors had the same number of shitty romance options as the straight male inquisitor. Not some massive number that the OP claimed they did. Cassandra is the only romance worth pursuing in the game anyway and she can only be romanced by male inquisitor
"Massive amount of choices"
Now why lie like that lol
If its no big deal, why does Nexusmods not allow dissent?
Cellulite?! Biased against large bewbies?! How they going to include the worse part of being thicc but take out the best part 😂
Omg hadn't even thought of that angle. FACTS 🤣
Astute!
I’m inclined to agree with the screechers. They’re right. It doesn’t matter, because this game wasn’t made for us. Show them by not buying this game and seeing how powerful their message is and how valid they are.
Well thought out and, despite being 33 minutes long, engaging. You made good points, and I agree with them all except one; they don't make these games or this content or make their arguments *FOR* anyone. They aren't doing it to support anyone, they only wish to exclude and destroy. I think that's a mistake we all have made; we think that the people behind this stuff think like we do. We would make things *FOR* a customer, not to exclude people.
For instance, if I make a skateboard, I don't make to exclude people without legs. I make it so that anyone can buy one, and hopefully they will enjoy it and come back to buy more. The way these people do business and make things is they purposefully go out of their way to make a useless thing that one demographic will hate, and they don't really care if anyone buys it because money and business and reputation are all relative. They want that legless customer to hate what they've made, and they don't ever want that legless customer to buy their product. They'd prefer to throw that legless customer off a cliff, but that isn't legal (yet) so they will settle for cancelation, ostracization, bullying, and slander. Oh, and making a skateboard that specifically makes it impossible to own it unless you have legs. Down with the legless-riarchy. Or something.
Just my two cents though.
Inclusion is a great thing. Ethic departments at your place of work, trust me, you'll be glad to have them (ex-worker's council member speaking) . But its strange people forget to also include the percentage of destribution. The figures for transgender are between 0.1-0.6 % of world population, only some of them feel gender-dysphoria and another minority of them actually proceed with therapy including sergery. So we are talking about a minority of a minority of a minorita of a minority. ... Let that sink in. Fine, let players have the option, no problem, but give ALL the other options, too: chad guys, double-D cup strippers, and big round gals and dudes. Include EVERYONE! Every body, every shape, every scar, and every tatoo. ALL of them.
This video put everything so perfectly. Great job
I want this game to be good but everything I see is a red flag. As of now, the only way for me to play this is if it gets a heavy mod support that will at least try to tackle lore retcons and give me the true diversity sliders, booba and cake. And fix the qunari and other races.
@@polackdyn I'm sure the PC community will get on that quickly. Bioware seemingly forgets that the Dragon Age fanbase is thirsty as fuck. 😂 always been. And the games were pretty unapologetic about it too, I mean Dorian's ass is taking up half the screen at some point in a cutscene and it's bigger than anything these sliders can bring to the table 😂
I didn't knew Corinne used to work in The Sims. Clearly the creature wasn't the one who made The Sims' CAS (Create A Sim) cuz unlike Veilguard you can have big bewbs and butt in TS4
Souls players would eat this shit up, theyll take everything that makes their characters uglier.
@@MrKrustenkaese13 🤣
The people acting like the inclusion of this stuff isn't harmful are completely ignoring (or don't care) that kids will see this crap and think this stuff is normal. And may lead to even more kids seeking hormone therapy or surgery at young ages.
So, yes, it's actually harmful, not innocuously-inclusive without issue.
Including these things is to claim that they are normal, glamorized, and should be accepted into society when in reality body mutilation negatively impacts people’s lives and harms their mental and physical wellbeing
So many people put thousands of hours of work into this, I wonder how much of thier time was spent sadly lobotomizing thier own creation against thier will
I wouldn’t be the annoyed by the character creator if I could make an attractive character. Which the more I see of the CC just seems to be difficult like in Andromeda.
BG3 had checkboxing in it but at least I could make a Gigachad!
The same people who say "why does it matter" really don't like it when you ask them that same question lol
If it isn't a big deal to include them, then why include them to begin with?
If you mod it out they will scream. Yes it matters, yes it does effect you, give no quarter.
They did it with Bannerlord and the author for that mod got banned off Nexus. Far as I'm concerned, that was a declaration of censorship on non-wokies.
If you mod it out, you hate it, there's no middle ground there. You already don't have to look at it, but when you mod it out you're taking action to censor things you just don't like instead of dealing with them. Making you entitled.
@@Adanu191So when we want space to be us, you want us not to have that space, you delete it, therefore, censoring it? And we're the ones censoring? Despite you censoring out of hate?
@@ElysiumFields306 If you get upset that someone takes olives off their plate the problem isn't you liking olives it's that you want control and you don't belong at this table.
@@ShadowRulah No, this isn't you not wanting olives, it's implying olives have sway over politics and will change your mind if they're on your plate. I don't want control, I just don't want hatred to be justified because you don't like something.
“With so much chaos, someone will do something stupid. And when they do, things will turn nasty”
Yes it matters and personally I never buy stuff infected with woke ideology. Good video.
Thank you so much I personally don't want to create myself in games but still if I would I couldn't even make a look alike in Failguard (Veilguard).
I always had a big butt and boobs no matter how thin I was.
I hate it that games have to be like that nowadays.. everyone in Veilguard is pan 🍳 sexual, no gay, bi and straight romances.
I really likes Dorian from DAI and I also liked it that he isn't into women. So I played male characters to romance him.
The surgery scars and the Failnari (new Qunari) are a JOKE.
It DOESN'T make sense in this world to have surgery scars...
The Qunari are elves/humans with horns and Botox forehead now..
"I hope we can be a safeplace for the virus to spread"
The 20 Concord refugees will have a new home to go to at least
Well reasoned, well researched, well said.
Subscribed.
Transitioning does not eleviate or treat the condition, in fact people who transition off themselves even more than those who don't do such things.
42% of thr problem solves itself
@@guillermoelnino As memey as that is, I consider the problem to be the whole "dying in sin" thing. I want to help them.
@@KopperNeoman and thst is a nobel cause. Not impossible, but highly unlikely to happen.
Transitioning alleviates dysphoria. It doesn't take it away, it doesn't CURE them, but it does help if it goes well. However, it doesn't cure the depression or anxiety a person may have.
A big issue nowadays is that some people are being transitioned without even having dysphoria in the first place because this ideology is truly f*cking vile and dangerous.
There's videos of de-transitioners sharing their stories, of being either manipulated or simply being given drugs and access to procedures without even having to PROVE that they have dysphoria. Just walk in, say you have it, and walk out with puberty blockers.
Then, through the teen years, they grow out of it, and are stuck with an often ruined body and a massive regret and anguish towards the system that allowed them to transition as minors who have no f*cking ability whatsoever to give informed consent.
you've said the whole situation correctly and honestly, you deserve more subs
this DOES matter to us, because im a artist. So many others are and most people love entertainment and art
Art is so important. It's one of the few things that can spark so much joy, meaning, inspiration, and most of all, for audiences, entertainment and escapism from a world that often leaves much to be desired.
And thanks a lot! Here's hoping this reaches more people :)
you know what hurts me MORE than losing my most beloved fantasy world to this woke BS ? its knowing that, IF infact this doesnt bury bioware, they will be releasing the new MASS EFFECT ... and what are the chances that one will be like the original lore and trilogy huh ?
Here's the thing. The vast majority of society doesn't care about "marginalized people". That is their problem, we are not celebrating and praising how "stunning and brave" they are.
I think a perfect example of it being ideological and not passion is the chick at 1:38. Look at her freckles. They've _obviously_ given her these thick, heavy freckles as a form of "inclusion," which is interesting because a lot of people, including myself, find such freckles to be hot.
Even as someone who thinks they're hot, I find it repulsive because I'm confident that they were not put there because someone thought they were attractive but because someone thought they _needed to be there._
And my money stays in my wallet.
Wow, he was previously a director for The Sims? Now it all makes sense. The first time I saw the character creator and the characters in Dragon Age Veilguard I went "Wow, they really downgraded the art style and uniqueness of the various races in this one (especially the Qunari who's design peaked in Dragon Age 2) . Now they all look like human Sims characters, no matter the race " , just by looking at the released footage, before I knew anything about the people behind the game.
To those that say we should let them have this little something, I say first it's a finger, then a hand, then an arm and then your everything.
It's nice to give little things, but there should be a line, because otherwise they'll never stop and will want more and more.
(And btw that's already happening, it's not an if)
The difference between inclusive and propaganda is the intentional marketing to a specific group while ignoring others.
I have little problem with pronouns and top surgery scars. However i have huge problem with mobile like visuals, flacid story that has no bite, and cartoonish style. FFS this game supposed to be dark fantasy. In other words game being gay AF.
I don't get it. Why take an IP with a devoted fanbase and change everything? Any fool could tell you that the fans won't stick around and you won't attract new fans because they didn't care about the IP to begin with.
If you're doing all of this crap: just create a new IP.
But they can't because their garbage doesn't sell.
I don’t care about the politics. The fact is, this is not the Dragon Age I enjoy. I’m not ruminating over that. That’s the bottom line, therefore they won’t get my money. I’ll come back when they release the *real* DA4.
It will come down to the writing. Just like it always does.
Like it did with Baldur's Gate 3
BG3 has the choice of gender identity being they/them, him or her no matter your body type choices.
Baldur's Gate 3 is revolutionary, and no one has ever cared about this.
Baldur's Gate 3 was created from the very start with the intention of creating a world of as many choices as possible that actually mattered. Player input in BG3 is paramount to its success. And it worked. Where was all the outrage about the features in BG3 that could be considered "woke"? No one cares, because all along it was always well made. It's almost like, when the game is good, inclusivity options don't come in the way of anyone's enjoyment of the game.
And so far with Veilguard, it seems that it is moving with many steps forward and very few steps back (excluding the cringe af first trailer).
Cringey journalists focusing way too much on these features be damned. They are the one's obviously trying to affect your opinion and start discourse about this.
Veilguard's position will only become clear through the writing. Just like with BG3
Putting "inclusion" in a game that is essentially advocating for children to mutilate themselves is not something they can claim to "not be hurting anyone".
That's a very big leap in logic, as if to say that putting violence in games means your kid is the next Hitler or Dahmer. Kids are a lot smarter than you realize, and can discern who they are better than what you tell them.
@@ElysiumFields306 Yikes! What a false conflation you have made here.
By their own admission it's to advocate for this being normal. That's what inclusion is. An attempt to normalize the thing being included.
In your example the violence that would lead to bad results in the real world is widely accepted and viewed as criminal. It has laws in place that punish it and reinforce this view.
While in the inverse the destructive "inclusion" being advocated for in my example is presented as virtuous and beneficial, when it is not. Understand the inherent difference there?
@@HailEarendil I'd love to hear how it is different from how a game that glorifies violence for the good guys and its use and the "non-beneficial" inclusion in a game aren't the same thing. How is inclusion harmful in the same way violence is?
@@ElysiumFields306 I already just explained it to you. If you don' understand the point being made.. Try reading it again.
@@HailEarendil Yet you refuse to answer how inclusion is harmful, just the fact that "it is not" nice dodge btw.
Why not make a lore reason for double mastectomies?? Or single ones? Something with it’s own coherence and rationale detached from the current day politics. They could be interesting, creative, maybe even thought provoking. Instead, Stunning and Brave cowardice.
Great video!
Don't buy this game. Don't buy the next Mass Effect. Let BioWare die.
Fantasy RPGs should be just that. You should just be able to forget your troubles and sink into the magic of the world. Skyrim and BG3 did that for me. Bringing identity politics and pushing it in the character creation just takes away the magic. It becomes a lifeless, soulless, mass produced piece of garbage. If youre going to make a fantasy game why would you bring in that crap? It does nothing for the story. Nothing against trans people but why would you want surgery scars on a fictional character who lives in a fictional world where sex change surgeries dont exist. Its not lore accurate, its not canon. It just feels pandering af
To divide people you still have control over them. Blackrock knows what they are doing. I will stick to my ttrpgs
It matters because it's perversing the TRUTH, corrupting minds and it's a doctrine of demons.
Its as if ure flat irl, and you want to play as character who wear pads instead of a character thats busty by nature
Like wtf, this right here is the prime example why the idea of "representation" is just dumb and shouldn't even exists in gaming industry in the first place
its also crazy, that I will not play it becouse of this, but I am 100% sure this game will have like 100 different problems, looking at gameplay it looks like mobile game
Yeah I kind of saw this coming a mile away...Inquisition which came out 10 years ago, has a trans character that literally only exists to push trans ideology. Unfortunately Dragon Age is done for the real fans, and has been for years.
I dont count myself a racist person. Well, everyone is a bit racist in our own manner. Anyhow, what always bothers me is black elves. Elves are known in most settings as pale and light colored hair. Now, you can make elvish sub races and then this would not bother me. But the way they just shoehorn in black elves like in this game and rings of power where there was ZERO before DEI hit the gaming scene. At least give us a story as to why this untold sub race has surfaced and in such numbers. Just adding them like they have always been there is just cheap.
For the record I have always hated cultural appropriation. White Ninjas and Samurai come to mind.
Another basket case making games to fit other basket cases. No joke, all these companies ? They deserve to be closed down.
I can almost guarantee BioWare added top surgery scars after seeing BG3’s genital options, but since DA doesn’t have explicit nudity, they chose surgery scars without thinking about the incredibly stupid implication of people in a fantasy world with magic needing to get gender affirming surgery. Do the characters in the incredibly tumultuous world of Thedas not have anything more important to think about than gender affirming care? lol
I just feel like there’s got to be a way to include queer characters in fiction without it feeling like forced ideology being crammed down the audience’s throat. But it’s been handled so horribly over and over again
i feel that game studios are doing the least amount of work and trying to get the most in return. they put the minimum amount of content of mechanics into these modern games, and slap DEI on them. When they don't sell like intended, they have a group to blame for being racist sexist bigots. For example Star Wars Outlaws has the bare minimum to be considered an open world game but blame people who don't like a female protagonist because the game didn't sell like they wanted it to. I've played pretty much every Ubisoft stealth game and the mechanics from those previous games are not in Outlaws when so much of the game requires stealth.
Always wanted a grimdark fantasy dragon age game set in the mystical lands of California
just remember that inclusion to them only means the grossest most outdated insulting stereotypes
Your character can have top-surgery scars though.
Wow 😲.
I am without words, this video is so well done. Good job, and my respect.
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Thanks, I appreciate it!
Your points are very well put and you dont repeat the same thing over and over again like Andypants or Syntheticman. You actually can articulate your point across
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This isnt an ideology. It's their religion.
And here I thought a character creator was the solution verse an actual developer made main character. But you're right. It's a no win. Just don't buy what pushes this garbage and buy what doesn't.
There was no surgeries 500 years ago. Well none that were successful that is.
That abrupt cut off of the music at the end of the video was quite jarring. You should make it fade out towards the end or time it so that it ends before the video does.
True! thanks, I'll keep it in mind!