The thing about emiya in fate stay night is that he didn't fight seriously at any point in time; he either only uses a few np's or is pitted against cu, who is basically emiya's kryptonite
something worth noting. Archer, just because of his skill set, arguably has a weird ability to contend with people blatantly stronger than him. probably not win in most cases but do pretty well for a decent period of time. also, I'm not sure what medusa could ever do to him. seriously his UBW is just Gilgamesh's bs but with a lower AP and I know she's fast but she can't dodge that shit forever, I don't see her tagging him while it's active because he can throw hands with Ku for a while without the aid of ubw.
Well this’ll b fun FSN lowkey my favorite of the fate series 🔥 (Edit:I agree with everything here FSN characters fights are so circumstantial it’s hard to rank them but if you had to I feel this is rlly accurate Emiya n Saber is also kinda a weird match cause I think it was implied Emiya was going to win but Shiro used a CS but then again he was at a range but as I said before I personally think it’s very accurate)
it was never implied that Emiya was going to win. in the other 2 routes he doesnt use command seal and Archer was so badly injured that he couldnt be there for the berserker fight. He is only in the berserker fight in ubw, the other 2 he got murked by saber.
@@That_Guy_Antonio ah, I havent read HA actually so fair enough, I'll look into that later, BUT in many other works they show Artoria is superior (at least at full strength) in Fate Extella he straight up says that Artoria is unfathomable strong and that she is a Top Servant which are mentioned to be the 7 strongest servants on the mooncell. In FSN he suffers major injuries in 2 of the 3 routes in their first confrontation and in UBW once she got Rin as a master Archer knew he could not contest her.
@@danielguardado4574 yeah that’s Y I said it’s weird because it’s treated as if Archer would have won the fight using his archery which is his main ability or should be lol Archer Emiya as a servant is very weird but I do believe that Saber is “stronger” then him
@@That_Guy_Antonio oh wait, are you talking about the scene where Artoria is defending shirou from what was it? Hrunting or something? If that is the case well it is Shirou Artoria so she is severely weakened but also, iirc Shirou says that she can overcome Archer with Excalibur but it would cause to much damage to the city so it isnt really an option. (Forgive me if I am misremembering)
11:57 Rider: i can last only 2 min against Saber Alter also Rider: actualy fights for 10 mins ( can't remember exactly how long the fight takes in the VN but iirc it also las for 5 mins) atta girl 😊
Pretty sure artoria can beat kojiro if she just used the excalibur to blast him to bits. And this is coming from someone who’s grailed kojiro to level 90
I think it would be nice if you made a video on the main character of Fate Grand order because as far as I can tell outside looking in at least the narrative seems to be making him out as a just a normal person in a crazy situation but I kind of wonder how strong he really is.
@smugden I wouldn't really call it inaccessible speed, sounds like some vs battle wiki shit lol, and even then, the only thing that does for Sasaki is make him attack three times in a single moment, which makes the attack "undodgeable" it can still be totally blocked, Gil would only need to raise his hands to protect his head and he would tank it lol, or he could just use GoB. And yeah, Artoria pretty much nukes Herc to death.
Holy cow, wow Artoria being that low is awful. She at minimum is A tier above the likes of Cu, Heracles, and Kojirou. In the vn they literally say that Kojirou would not be able to contest her without having the high ground advantage even with his superior skill because her strength far outclasses his. It is stated on like 5 different occasion that Artoria under Rin would defeat Heracles, I like how you only use Shirou or Kiritsugu Artoria instead of Rin Artoria even though both are outrighted stated to weaken Artoria and only under Rin is she able to fight at near her full strength. We see how strong she is in Fate Extella where Charlemagne could not even move her an inch even when he had fought and forced a retreat out of Karna earlier in the story. It is outright stated that in order to defeat Heracles, you need an EX rank np or the A ranked saber so her being lower makes no sense. In Fate Extella she is one of the 7 top servants which is also stated to be the 7 strongest servants on the mooncell. Karna, Gil, and Arjuna are other top servants. Cu is not a top servant and he acknowledges his inferiority to them. Stop downplaying Saber.
I get what you're saying but the plot saved her from Ku and kojiro. She should of died facing off against them both and kojiro literally outclasses her swordsman ship she said that herself. So to say he only beat her because he had the high ground is kinda bs.
I feel like Heracles would beat kojiro cuz I don't think he would last long enough to take out all of Heracles's lives. Herc could probably do the same to cu, who would definitely take a few lives. Kojiro should be able to take at least one life from herc but it's a high dif fight for him
@@vanilla4486 He did not take a single life, it was merely a stalemate. Medea was pressuring Heracles, and Kojirou was stalling. Not a single life was taken, only that heracles could not get through.
OK so first off it seems as though you compare saber as she is under shirou which is unfair. If we place her under rin she should be A tier. The only reason why lancer was confident that he could beat saber was because she was under shirou. A magr with poor magical capacity compared to rin. I don't think she would lose to Lancer if she was under rin like as she was at the end of stay night. The only reason why she managed to survive was because of her luck. As saber alter, her luck is significantly reduced and her instinct skill was also lowered. Her first fight with kojiro is again when she is underpowered and weekend under shirou as a master. Even in this state she survives his fatal blow thanks to her magical armour. In short you're right when reference to artoria under shirou but that's not necessarily fair.
Who would win? Tanjiro vs natsu Zenitsu vs luck voltia Asta vs zoro All might vs luffy Gojo vs naruto Sukuna vs kyuubi Meliodas vs aizen Esdeath vs toshiro Escanor vs yamamoto Kaido vs kenpachi Accelerator vs yhwach
Nastu stomps hard Luck stomps hard Asta via Blitz Luffy Incon cause idk if Naruto has any attacks that Neg Infinity Kurama stomps Aizen stomps and Blitzes Esdeath stomps Old man Yama stomps Kenpachi Stomps Accelerator stomps
@@jasminegobuster3847 my man Tanjiro isn't even City level when it comes to AP Natsu Casually one shot a war God who's head was above the clouds in BASE at full power in Dragon Force he beat Mercaphobia the WATER DRAGON GOD in the 100 years quest and the Dragon Gods are stated to be on the same level as Acnologia and Acnologia is Multi-Continental And we know that hy the end of the series hes as fast as Zenitsu who can dodge lightning but Natsu was dodging lightning during the battle of Fairy tail arc without any Amps in BASE if were talking current Timeline Natsu at full power he's FTL
Emiya should be ex Why? Well he said that “if i dont finish my job as counter guardian here, i would probably be summoned again and that is probably the worst outcome posible”
Artoria is easily A tier without Avalon and EX with it. She never used mana bursts against Kojiro Siarmuid and Cu. She would obliterate them if she did. You're completely disregarding masters here. The Artoria that loses to Herc had Shirou so she was extremely weakened. Same with Medusa and Shinji in the first 2 routes.
sasaki yes diarmuid yes cu no cu would survive mana burst with BC and rune and spam 7 close up gae bolg or use gea bolg to distort space to make a rain of gea bolg's hit her
@@vanilla4486 Cu openly acknowledges his inferiority to the top servants in Fate Extella, which Artoria is one of. In fact the 7 top servants are stated to be the strongest servants on the mooncell. Artoria, Karna, Scathach, Arjuna, Gilgamesh, Iskandar, and Jeanne
@@vanilla4486 The Fate Extella version is at the same level as Rin Artoria. They are not any different, people who say the fates have different powerlevels dont understand that all the fates share the same throne of heroes and summon the same heroes, they dont all of a sudden have different powerlevels.
@@vanilla4486 Jeanne is stated to be weak for a top servant, so it makes sense why she lost. But literally the others are the absolute strongest. Charlemagne + Nero + Tamamo couldn not even move Artoria and inch and Charlemagne states that she is to strong to lose to Rex Magnus, the same person who Orcalized Karna and Scathach.
He's the definition of mid. He jobs to Cu w/o shadow interference. Same with Arotoria... Medusa destroyed him. EMIYA violated him too. Hell, even Kirei handled him w/conditions
I would rank Cu and Kojiro below Archer, because while they are better in raw stats, Archer has an insane tool kit. Archer took 6 of Berserker's lives, is stated to be a 50/50 vs Saber and can beat Gilgamesh. Archer has way more potential to beat people stronger than him because of his insanely diverse skillset. My ranking would be Gilgamesh>Saber>Berserker>Rider>Archer>Lancer>Assassin>True Assassin>Caster.
Yo how we supposed to watch this shit? I've seen zero stay night and ubw and that's it. I don't remember seeing saber alter in any of those. (There are so many spin off stuff and routes and idk what the hell is going on)
Couldn't you put emiya above saber because he killed Herc 5 times while saber only did it once? You could also argue he put up a better fight against Ku. And his unlimited blade works is pretty op.
@@lastuchiha8603 regular Saber is able to take 7 lives with a projected Caliburn by shirou int he Fate route, Caliburn is stated to be inferior to Excalibur and Illya says that if Saber was at full strength she would annihilate Berserker, unfortunately she is weakened severly because of shirou.
@@lastuchiha8603 like Daniel said, I meant in the fate route. Also if I remember correctly, I could be wrong since it's been a long time since I've played the game but aren't saber alters stats worse than regular saber.
I mean Kojiro did dog walk tf out of Artoria in their first fight only losing the second time because Monohoshi Zao's hilt got cracked by Sabers A-Rank NP creating a gap in Tsubame Gaeshi Gaeshi Saber exploited to win so in a normal 1v1 idk I'd have Kojiro taling that one unless she can buy enough time to load up an excaliblast As for Cu I mean Artoria did get wiped in their first fight only reason she survived was that she was LITERALLY lucky heheheh Plot armour stat go brrrrr and the points about Emyia being relative ring true and in FSN UBW Cu kinda Blitzed and stomped tf out of Emyia powered by a Magus from the age of the gods after being allowed to go full tilt And as for Berserker well I don't think I need to tell you how he beats the shit out of her in each of their first encounters in each and every route So putting her in B-Tier isn't a bad placement I'd say
@@erosenseiamvs1289 Incorrect, they openly state that Kojirou is only able to keep up because of the high ground, if they were forced on even ground, no matter how much more skilled he is, they state that he would lose due to her superior strength and him not being able to exchange blows with her
@@danielguardado4574 where exactly was this stated?? In the VN if so which route?? Cause the statment itself doesn't make sense since Saber was left baffled that she wasn't able to take the high ground despite being physically superior in every aspect and then when he willing went onto level ground with her in order to unleash Tsubame Gaeshi although the statment about him not being able to clash swords with her rings true because Monohoshi Zao is a regular blade and I do remember that
@@erosenseiamvs1289 They state it in their first confrontation. (aka her under shirou) they state that he cannot take her blows head on and can only parry, but that sicne he has the high ground and his technqiue specializes in that he is able to keep her at bay. In the 2nd confrontation he gets off the high ground and attempts to contest her strength, that is why his sword cracked, because he tried to fight even with her instead of using the advantageous high ground. They also openly state that she would 1 shot him if she landed even a single blow. should be in ubw
salter should be put below herc salter is waeker then herc even with infinite mana in there fight salter had the shadow as support and even in the last fight of shirou vs salter even without medusa shirou killed her but also dead after but shirou vs herc shirou was going to die even with ilya using command seal's to weaken him and even herc was weakening himself even then after that shirou was still going to die if he stop even for a second
In the vn they state that Saber Alter is the strongest servant. In FGO the fuyuki singularity she defeated Heracles without the grail. On 5 different occasions they state that Artoria under Rin would defeat Heracles . There is no scenario where Heracles is stronger then Artoria if she is at full strength.
@@danielguardado4574 in the vn they state that saber alter is the strongest but never won a fight and even got killed by shirou without support but shirou vs weakend herc shirou allmost got killed before even hiting herc and salter in fuyuki also was not normal having a corruption ability there is not even a fight were herc is at full power
@@vanilla4486 I mean, Gilgamesh also lost to shirou, so your point? Weaker opposition wins all the time in Fate, Gil, Karna, Kiara. That doesnt take away from their strength, They openly state that Saber Alter is equal in strength to berserker, Nasu also states it in the animation material for the movie "None can deny she is the strongest servant" he says Artoria can defeat Heracles on another instant "In order to defeat Berserker you need an EX rank np or the A ranked Saber", He says as well Gilgamesh and Artoria when they were alive both had large amounts of magical energy and that they would contest in firepower with Gil only having a slight advantage over her because of his clairvoyance, meaning they are equal in fire power and strength as heroes.
@@danielguardado4574 shirou defeated him by making him not go all out karna was defeated by a tag team and killed himself by using his NP even if he did not need to and kiara was defeated because the three servant inside her body wanted hakuno to win but shirou vs salter was just a fight
@@vanilla4486 Ok. in the VN they state that Salter was holding back due to them being in a cave and her not wanting the cave to collapse, he also used triple link crane wings and actually didnt even kill her, in fact he fried his brain and Salter was already healing and was gonna kill him. You cant change what is outright stated, if it is stated that Salter and Artoria is superior to Heracles, then that is the case.
The thing about emiya in fate stay night is that he didn't fight seriously at any point in time; he either only uses a few np's or is pitted against cu, who is basically emiya's kryptonite
something worth noting. Archer, just because of his skill set, arguably has a weird ability to contend with people blatantly stronger than him. probably not win in most cases but do pretty well for a decent period of time. also, I'm not sure what medusa could ever do to him. seriously his UBW is just Gilgamesh's bs but with a lower AP and I know she's fast but she can't dodge that shit forever, I don't see her tagging him while it's active because he can throw hands with Ku for a while without the aid of ubw.
I recommend doing Zero next just because apocrypha has 14 servants and Zero sounds like it would be easier and faster to do a video for it
Good vid bro I recommend you get to know Fate Prototype the Rider, Ozymandias is basically Egyptian Gilgamesh but still different in own way
Well this’ll b fun FSN lowkey my favorite of the fate series 🔥 (Edit:I agree with everything here FSN characters fights are so circumstantial it’s hard to rank them but if you had to I feel this is rlly accurate Emiya n Saber is also kinda a weird match cause I think it was implied Emiya was going to win but Shiro used a CS but then again he was at a range but as I said before I personally think it’s very accurate)
it was never implied that Emiya was going to win. in the other 2 routes he doesnt use command seal and Archer was so badly injured that he couldnt be there for the berserker fight. He is only in the berserker fight in ubw, the other 2 he got murked by saber.
@@danielguardado4574 I’m talking about FHA lol
@@That_Guy_Antonio ah, I havent read HA actually so fair enough, I'll look into that later, BUT in many other works they show Artoria is superior (at least at full strength) in Fate Extella he straight up says that Artoria is unfathomable strong and that she is a Top Servant which are mentioned to be the 7 strongest servants on the mooncell. In FSN he suffers major injuries in 2 of the 3 routes in their first confrontation and in UBW once she got Rin as a master Archer knew he could not contest her.
@@danielguardado4574 yeah that’s Y I said it’s weird because it’s treated as if Archer would have won the fight using his archery which is his main ability or should be lol Archer Emiya as a servant is very weird but I do believe that Saber is “stronger” then him
@@That_Guy_Antonio oh wait, are you talking about the scene where Artoria is defending shirou from what was it? Hrunting or something? If that is the case well it is Shirou Artoria so she is severely weakened but also, iirc Shirou says that she can overcome Archer with Excalibur but it would cause to much damage to the city so it isnt really an option. (Forgive me if I am misremembering)
11:57 Rider: i can last only 2 min against Saber Alter
also Rider: actualy fights for 10 mins ( can't remember exactly how long the fight takes in the VN but iirc it also las for 5 mins)
atta girl 😊
It lasted more than 12 mins in the VN. So probably 16-17 mins based on all that happened.
Artoria full power (no Avalon) would be A tier
For sure
nah gilgamesh slaps saber alter
Pretty sure artoria can beat kojiro if she just used the excalibur to blast him to bits. And this is coming from someone who’s grailed kojiro to level 90
Optimus Prime video sounds epic
I think it would be nice if you made a video on the main character of Fate Grand order because as far as I can tell outside looking in at least the narrative seems to be making him out as a just a normal person in a crazy situation but I kind of wonder how strong he really is.
Outer
Which Artoria are you even using?
@smugden Even Shirou Artoria could just nuke Sasaki from range which makes wack to put full power Artoria below him.
@smugden I wouldn't really call it inaccessible speed, sounds like some vs battle wiki shit lol, and even then, the only thing that does for Sasaki is make him attack three times in a single moment, which makes the attack "undodgeable" it can still be totally blocked, Gil would only need to raise his hands to protect his head and he would tank it lol, or he could just use GoB.
And yeah, Artoria pretty much nukes Herc to death.
If all swordsmans in bleach became demons slayers
Which bleach swordsmans that can became hashira?
Holy cow, wow Artoria being that low is awful. She at minimum is A tier above the likes of Cu, Heracles, and Kojirou. In the vn they literally say that Kojirou would not be able to contest her without having the high ground advantage even with his superior skill because her strength far outclasses his. It is stated on like 5 different occasion that Artoria under Rin would defeat Heracles, I like how you only use Shirou or Kiritsugu Artoria instead of Rin Artoria even though both are outrighted stated to weaken Artoria and only under Rin is she able to fight at near her full strength. We see how strong she is in Fate Extella where Charlemagne could not even move her an inch even when he had fought and forced a retreat out of Karna earlier in the story. It is outright stated that in order to defeat Heracles, you need an EX rank np or the A ranked saber so her being lower makes no sense. In Fate Extella she is one of the 7 top servants which is also stated to be the 7 strongest servants on the mooncell. Karna, Gil, and Arjuna are other top servants. Cu is not a top servant and he acknowledges his inferiority to them. Stop downplaying Saber.
Join the discord no one read8ng your Bible
I get what you're saying but the plot saved her from Ku and kojiro. She should of died facing off against them both and kojiro literally outclasses her swordsman ship she said that herself. So to say he only beat her because he had the high ground is kinda bs.
@@GKRcnnct this is the comment section, people can post comments 💀
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Saber's master was rin when she fought kojiro the 2nd time so it makes sense how she won
How would you rate artoria with avalon? Since she got that in the fate route didn't she?
Above Gilgamesh for me.
She beat him and he has no counter to it
Gilgamesh even admit he won't hold back and he still lost
I am interested in the optimus prime video because that bot has some versions. Will it include beast wars?
I feel like Heracles would beat kojiro cuz I don't think he would last long enough to take out all of Heracles's lives. Herc could probably do the same to cu, who would definitely take a few lives. Kojiro should be able to take at least one life from herc but it's a high dif fight for him
kojiro took 3-6 lives with medea and her master's support but would be killed
@@vanilla4486 He did not take a single life, it was merely a stalemate. Medea was pressuring Heracles, and Kojirou was stalling. Not a single life was taken, only that heracles could not get through.
@@danielguardado4574 sorry did not make that one clear
OK so first off it seems as though you compare saber as she is under shirou which is unfair. If we place her under rin she should be A tier. The only reason why lancer was confident that he could beat saber was because she was under shirou. A magr with poor magical capacity compared to rin. I don't think she would lose to Lancer if she was under rin like as she was at the end of stay night. The only reason why she managed to survive was because of her luck. As saber alter, her luck is significantly reduced and her instinct skill was also lowered. Her first fight with kojiro is again when she is underpowered and weekend under shirou as a master. Even in this state she survives his fatal blow thanks to her magical armour. In short you're right when reference to artoria under shirou but that's not necessarily fair.
REGEND SHOULD BE EX CRAZY SECOND MAGIC SWORD TECHNIQUE GO BRRRRRRRRR FIX THIS INJUSTICE IMMEDIATELY
Saber Alter: She’s worth it
Can you do Yhwach vs Xeno Goku
Who would win?
Tanjiro vs natsu
Zenitsu vs luck voltia
Asta vs zoro
All might vs luffy
Gojo vs naruto
Sukuna vs kyuubi
Meliodas vs aizen
Esdeath vs toshiro
Escanor vs yamamoto
Kaido vs kenpachi
Accelerator vs yhwach
Nastu stomps hard
Luck stomps hard
Asta via Blitz
Luffy
Incon cause idk if Naruto has any attacks that Neg Infinity
Kurama stomps
Aizen stomps and Blitzes
Esdeath stomps
Old man Yama stomps
Kenpachi Stomps
Accelerator stomps
@@erosenseiamvs1289 how did natsu stomp tanjiro?
Water alway beat fire
Plus tanjiro is immortal if we use demon king tanjiro
@@jasminegobuster3847 my man Tanjiro isn't even City level when it comes to AP Natsu Casually one shot a war God who's head was above the clouds in BASE at full power in Dragon Force he beat Mercaphobia the WATER DRAGON GOD in the 100 years quest and the Dragon Gods are stated to be on the same level as Acnologia and Acnologia is Multi-Continental
And we know that hy the end of the series hes as fast as Zenitsu who can dodge lightning but Natsu was dodging lightning during the battle of Fairy tail arc without any Amps in BASE if were talking current Timeline Natsu at full power he's FTL
@@erosenseiamvs1289 but can natsu kill demon king tanjiro?
@@erosenseiamvs1289 can tanjiro scratch natsu ? Demon king or whatever tanjiro stand 0 chance
Do a pokemon power scaling video.
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Emiya should be ex
Why?
Well he said that “if i dont finish my job as counter guardian here, i would probably be summoned again and that is probably the worst outcome posible”
The fact that alaya bost him enough to kill a full grew angra, probably rider, berserker and saber alter together
It surprises me
Artoria is easily A tier without Avalon and EX with it. She never used mana bursts against Kojiro Siarmuid and Cu. She would obliterate them if she did.
You're completely disregarding masters here. The Artoria that loses to Herc had Shirou so she was extremely weakened. Same with Medusa and Shinji in the first 2 routes.
sasaki yes diarmuid yes cu no
cu would survive mana burst with BC and rune and spam 7 close up gae bolg or use gea bolg to distort space to make a rain of gea bolg's hit her
@@vanilla4486 Cu openly acknowledges his inferiority to the top servants in Fate Extella, which Artoria is one of. In fact the 7 top servants are stated to be the strongest servants on the mooncell. Artoria, Karna, Scathach, Arjuna, Gilgamesh, Iskandar, and Jeanne
@@danielguardado4574 you do know his talking about fate stay night version not the extra also cu defeated jeanne in extra
@@vanilla4486 The Fate Extella version is at the same level as Rin Artoria. They are not any different, people who say the fates have different powerlevels dont understand that all the fates share the same throne of heroes and summon the same heroes, they dont all of a sudden have different powerlevels.
@@vanilla4486 Jeanne is stated to be weak for a top servant, so it makes sense why she lost. But literally the others are the absolute strongest. Charlemagne + Nero + Tamamo couldn not even move Artoria and inch and Charlemagne states that she is to strong to lose to Rex Magnus, the same person who Orcalized Karna and Scathach.
wow This video is pretty bad
SALTER is my number one waifu. then Quetz(fgo)
Touch grass
yooo
tbh this tier list is pretty bad. Coming from long time Fate scaling
Join the discord then
@@GKRcnnct No..I dont think i will
@@MrNone-d5s u will just get jump
@@minotaur_king1733 Imagine joining server of the fandom of a youtube channel
@@MrNone-d5s truly
dude really put hassan of the cursed arm at c tier even though he killed so many servants smh
He only killed Cu and got carried by the shadow tho?
He's the definition of mid. He jobs to Cu w/o shadow interference. Same with Arotoria... Medusa destroyed him. EMIYA violated him too. Hell, even Kirei handled him w/conditions
Well I take back my words nvm
Medusa is top teir.
Why everybody always gotta compare another anime to dbz characters 😂 🤦🏽♀️ like fate/night series have way better fighting then dragonball
I would rank Cu and Kojiro below Archer, because while they are better in raw stats, Archer has an insane tool kit. Archer took 6 of Berserker's lives, is stated to be a 50/50 vs Saber and can beat Gilgamesh. Archer has way more potential to beat people stronger than him because of his insanely diverse skillset. My ranking would be Gilgamesh>Saber>Berserker>Rider>Archer>Lancer>Assassin>True Assassin>Caster.
Sinbad vsGilgamesh
Soon
What do you mean about soon
@@jordanhorner5462 he said that's one of the topics he's gonna do tho I'm not sure exactly when
This is probably a hot take , I think I may get doxxed just for saying this
Gilgamesh might be one of the strongest
*he is the Strongest
He is the strongest normal servent
Huh. Am I stupid or is this not a hot take?
Archer solos
Yo how we supposed to watch this shit? I've seen zero stay night and ubw and that's it. I don't remember seeing saber alter in any of those. (There are so many spin off stuff and routes and idk what the hell is going on)
Fire is best
Couldn't you put emiya above saber because he killed Herc 5 times while saber only did it once? You could also argue he put up a better fight against Ku. And his unlimited blade works is pretty op.
Didn't saber kill herc 6 or 7 times in the fate rout with one shot?
@@hbkisback3349 if you're talking about heaven's feel that was saber alter. And he has her at ex for a reason. I'm just talking about regular saber
@@lastuchiha8603 regular Saber is able to take 7 lives with a projected Caliburn by shirou int he Fate route, Caliburn is stated to be inferior to Excalibur and Illya says that if Saber was at full strength she would annihilate Berserker, unfortunately she is weakened severly because of shirou.
@@lastuchiha8603 Saber is just as strong as Alter. Only difference is Alter has infinite mana so she can spam her mana bursts and NP.
@@lastuchiha8603 like Daniel said, I meant in the fate route. Also if I remember correctly, I could be wrong since it's been a long time since I've played the game but aren't saber alters stats worse than regular saber.
I have to disagree with the Artoria and Kojiro were put.
I mean Kojiro did dog walk tf out of Artoria in their first fight only losing the second time because Monohoshi Zao's hilt got cracked by Sabers A-Rank NP creating a gap in Tsubame Gaeshi Gaeshi Saber exploited to win so in a normal 1v1 idk I'd have Kojiro taling that one unless she can buy enough time to load up an excaliblast
As for Cu I mean Artoria did get wiped in their first fight only reason she survived was that she was LITERALLY lucky heheheh Plot armour stat go brrrrr and the points about Emyia being relative ring true and in FSN UBW Cu kinda Blitzed and stomped tf out of Emyia powered by a Magus from the age of the gods after being allowed to go full tilt
And as for Berserker well I don't think I need to tell you how he beats the shit out of her in each of their first encounters in each and every route
So putting her in B-Tier isn't a bad placement I'd say
@@erosenseiamvs1289 Incorrect, they openly state that Kojirou is only able to keep up because of the high ground, if they were forced on even ground, no matter how much more skilled he is, they state that he would lose due to her superior strength and him not being able to exchange blows with her
@@danielguardado4574 where exactly was this stated?? In the VN if so which route?? Cause the statment itself doesn't make sense since Saber was left baffled that she wasn't able to take the high ground despite being physically superior in every aspect and then when he willing went onto level ground with her in order to unleash Tsubame Gaeshi although the statment about him not being able to clash swords with her rings true because Monohoshi Zao is a regular blade and I do remember that
@@erosenseiamvs1289 They state it in their first confrontation. (aka her under shirou) they state that he cannot take her blows head on and can only parry, but that sicne he has the high ground and his technqiue specializes in that he is able to keep her at bay. In the 2nd confrontation he gets off the high ground and attempts to contest her strength, that is why his sword cracked, because he tried to fight even with her instead of using the advantageous high ground. They also openly state that she would 1 shot him if she landed even a single blow. should be in ubw
@@erosenseiamvs1289 Actually correction. I think the fight is more explained in the Fate Route
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Dog shit list you really put saber alter above normal saber, infinete mana or not saber alter or even gilgamesh have nothing against Avelon
Avalon Artoria > Gilgamesh > Saber Alter > FP Artoria without Avalon yea
@@BeastXIS
Gilgamesh > Avalon artoria
She can’t do shit to gil with sni
isnt this tierlist for the game?
@@nonamedweeb7308never played the VN?
salter should be put below herc salter is waeker then herc even with infinite mana in there fight salter had the shadow as support and even in the last fight of shirou vs salter even without medusa shirou killed her but also dead after but shirou vs herc shirou was going to die even with ilya using command seal's to weaken him and even herc was weakening himself even then after that shirou was still going to die if he stop even for a second
In the vn they state that Saber Alter is the strongest servant. In FGO the fuyuki singularity she defeated Heracles without the grail. On 5 different occasions they state that Artoria under Rin would defeat Heracles . There is no scenario where Heracles is stronger then Artoria if she is at full strength.
@@danielguardado4574 in the vn they state that saber alter is the strongest but never won a fight and even got killed by shirou without support but shirou vs weakend herc shirou allmost got killed before even hiting herc and salter in fuyuki also was not normal having a corruption ability there is not even a fight were herc is at full power
@@vanilla4486 I mean, Gilgamesh also lost to shirou, so your point? Weaker opposition wins all the time in Fate, Gil, Karna, Kiara. That doesnt take away from their strength, They openly state that Saber Alter is equal in strength to berserker, Nasu also states it in the animation material for the movie "None can deny she is the strongest servant" he says Artoria can defeat Heracles on another instant "In order to defeat Berserker you need an EX rank np or the A ranked Saber", He says as well Gilgamesh and Artoria when they were alive both had large amounts of magical energy and that they would contest in firepower with Gil only having a slight advantage over her because of his clairvoyance, meaning they are equal in fire power and strength as heroes.
@@danielguardado4574 shirou defeated him by making him not go all out karna was defeated by a tag team and killed himself by using his NP even if he did not need to
and kiara was defeated because the three servant inside her body wanted hakuno to win but shirou vs salter was just a fight
@@vanilla4486 Ok. in the VN they state that Salter was holding back due to them being in a cave and her not wanting the cave to collapse, he also used triple link crane wings and actually didnt even kill her, in fact he fried his brain and Salter was already healing and was gonna kill him. You cant change what is outright stated, if it is stated that Salter and Artoria is superior to Heracles, then that is the case.