The New Generation Fire Shelter

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  • @Squidbillies1000
    @Squidbillies1000 11 років тому +77

    RIP Arizona crew. Heroes forever

  • @BradfordGuy
    @BradfordGuy 5 років тому +15

    Watching the fire at 15:55 and on really made me think... I never realized how fast fire can move! When the fire generated winds kick in, 70mph? God, it is quite literally a blast furnace - a forge! I could not even imagine having to spend even 10 minutes in one of those shelters, let alone an hour or more! You certainly would be reflecting on your choices in life in those moments. I remember the Dude Fire and how horrified I was when I learned that firefighters had perished. My God...What had they gone through? What had they felt? Did they suffer? The horrible thoughts were completely overwhelming. God bless those who protect us and protect what we have. Thank you to those living and my prayers for your continuing safety. Thank you to those who gave their limbs and their health, and thanks especially to those who gave all they had. I did not know any of the firefighters who worked the Dude Fire - only their heroism for the job they did. None-the-less, as a grown man, I cried that day.

  • @waltfolker6575
    @waltfolker6575 10 років тому +76

    The Shelters do work. I used mine on the Ship Island Fire on the Sawtooth National Forest in Idaho 1979. The Fire had been smoldering for 2 days, creeping around a dried up creek in a valley that formed a natural chimney further up the hill. We had been sent down into the area from the ridge to mop it up. We were in the middle of setting up a 1/2 mile long hose system from the Snake River using pumps every so often to relay the water up the hill and keep the water pressure constant. The Fire wasn't doing much until the Un-forecasted T-Storm passed over head. The down drafts hit the fire's edge and it Roared back to life. Luckily, we had just taken a lunch break on top of a rock slide with Huge cars size boulders. All we could do was sit there and witness the whole canyon explode, which actually was entertaining until all the big timber around us burst into flames and started to Crown. We had to use our shelters to survive the crown fire as we were completely showered by burning embers, pine cones and heavy dense smoke. We all survived the 30 minute ordeal unfortunately 1 Supv. Firefighter was killed and another Firefighter was badly injured while operating a Helispot in the canyon bottom. Without the Fire Shelter the loss of life would have been much greater. As it was it took everything I had to breathe, hold down the shelter from the fierce winds and remain calm. The temptation was to run for the hills but an experienced Wildland Firefighter knows you cannot out run a Fire burning up hill....it ain't gonna happen. Fire burns 10x faster when making a run up hill. So you have got to have a safe zone mapped out ahead of time, go there and follow your training....Your Life depends on it.

    • @amandaodonell8984
      @amandaodonell8984 7 років тому +1

      all depends on how the fire is acting some yes you can live and others know you can't live already passed how hot and how hot or temperature is in side of shoulder

    • @andrewjackson3278
      @andrewjackson3278 7 років тому +5

      Walt Folker Brother I have massive respect for you! Truly a brave dude!

    • @bassemb
      @bassemb 7 років тому +3

      Glad you're still here. Thank you for the work you did.

    • @Joseph565112
      @Joseph565112 6 років тому +4

      What the man says at the end is so important. Always be humble! You might be the best firefighter on earth, but nature is always stronger and never completely predictable, and same goes for storm chasers and geologists, etc.

    • @ibelieve1674
      @ibelieve1674 4 роки тому

      That is incredible. Thank you for sharing. I can't imagine the horror and feeling. I'm glad you are okay and made it out. Out of all of the things firefighters experience is this the most frightening? Or does it get worse?

  • @gregoryaparker
    @gregoryaparker 2 роки тому +1

    Fire moves uphill faster than downhill. I served meals to smokejumpers at Grand Canyon way back in 2003 during the Big & Poplar fires of 2003. Nothing but respect from me!

  • @MrFeuerzauber
    @MrFeuerzauber 4 роки тому +1

    Imagine lying under a sheet of aluminium foil in a firestorm, talking to your comrades who can't cope with the situation, you try to talk them down while trying to keep calm yourself with your family and loved ones in mind..
    I didn't know that those things exist. Coming from a soldier and paramedic a big shoutout to all firefighters and great respect for your service.
    May you always return home safely...

  • @Gj23jk2
    @Gj23jk2 7 років тому +47

    I find it interesting that they mince around a pretty central issue: you ARE going to get second and first degree burns all over your feet and legs (even if you're doing it right). You're going to be burning in terrible pain inside a burrito bag, listening to your buddies screaming just feet away. And, if you do everything right, you'll survive and recover... you'd think they'd warn you a little better.

    • @bassemb
      @bassemb 7 років тому +6

      The fear of these inevitable burns may make a firefighter hesitate, losing precious seconds, or worse, try their luck outrunning the fire.

    • @bassemb
      @bassemb 7 років тому +7

      Starting at 15:00 there's a first-hand account of being entrapped, and he does mention the pain and getting even third degree burns.

    • @buckfuttler2877
      @buckfuttler2877 6 років тому +8

      not everyone who has deployed has been burned.

  • @matthewvaughan5274
    @matthewvaughan5274 4 роки тому

    I found it helpful to distinguish the effects of radiant vs. convective heating on the inside temperature of the fire shelter.

  • @rustywatkins9933
    @rustywatkins9933 5 років тому

    Thanks for publishing this! I'm training for fire tower duty this season.

  • @jlperezmendez13
    @jlperezmendez13 8 років тому +8

    Good video

  • @pigjubby1
    @pigjubby1 8 років тому +22

    The footage at 15:54 shows the reality of what is outside the shelter.

  • @jackiesglitter
    @jackiesglitter 11 років тому +31

    I'm so saddened by the deaths of these 19 brave men. I suppose some fires are just too strong even for these new technologies. RIP and prayers to all the young families.

    • @kilo5659
      @kilo5659 5 років тому +1

      They got trapped in a firestorm, which is well beyond the tolerances of theses...
      The silver lining is, that after 1,200 deployments since 1960 - there have only been 41 deaths.

    • @elisesanou
      @elisesanou 4 роки тому

      Jackie b what cause of death

    • @Alucard-gt1zf
      @Alucard-gt1zf 3 роки тому +4

      @@elisesanou fire usually

    • @SergeantExtreme
      @SergeantExtreme Рік тому

      Fun fact: a guy actually invented a new technology that would stand up to strong fires, but the Forestry Service rejected them because they would weigh 30 pounds per shelter which is too much weight. You can actually see him test it compared to what is shown in this video to the new stuff he wants firefighters to be carrying: ua-cam.com/video/Ps-0cG70hps/v-deo.html

    • @SergeantExtreme
      @SergeantExtreme Рік тому

      @@kilo5659 Where are you getting this information? A quick Google search shows that of the 1,200 deployments, there have been 504 deaths.

  • @Weaponofmassins
    @Weaponofmassins 12 років тому +1

    Less than 18,000 views 2 1/2 years later. Kinda sad. Great vid!

  • @bobrosso9147
    @bobrosso9147 7 років тому +2

    I don't believe anyone could survive inside a shelter in a firestorm like what's shown at 15:54 in this video. Holy Jesus! How in the world was that video taken, amidst the flames from hell.

  • @pioneercidrex2718
    @pioneercidrex2718 3 роки тому +2

    This is the same fire shelters used by Granite Mountain Hotshots but they're all died in the same spot, they are heroes😭😭😭❤️❤️

  • @humphrey4976
    @humphrey4976 2 роки тому

    I cannot imagine how terrifying having to use one of these would be

  • @OverTheTopComedy
    @OverTheTopComedy 11 років тому +16

    Over 40k more views in 10 months. RIP Arizona crew.

  • @spydergs07
    @spydergs07 11 років тому +1

    It helps deflect heat and smoke.
    The new ones are more improved.
    It does help but is only temporary during a bad inferno

  • @cspencer71007
    @cspencer71007 4 роки тому +2

    Serious question: why should we take our tool? I wouldn't want a conductive piece of metal in my shelter with me, and it would just burn outside. Is it just to clear a spot to deploy? Thanks

  • @pirate4u526
    @pirate4u526 8 років тому +3

    Great Viseo

  • @X-Prime123
    @X-Prime123 7 років тому +5

    These are only good in heat up to 500 degrees, from what I've read online. A forest fire can reach 1400 degrees or more.

  • @bob46802
    @bob46802 12 років тому +1

    This video was entertaining even though I'm not a firefighter.

  • @VeroCatarino
    @VeroCatarino 13 років тому +5

    Hello! I would like to ask if you can make one video like this in portuguese because we train the fireman in Portugal and we use your fire shelters in Wildland Fire Fighting training. Thank You very much
    Verónica Catarino - Lousã, Portugal

    • @FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife
      @FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife 2 роки тому

      I know this reply is many years after your question. but the video has a translation button 'CC' on the bottom right corner of the video.
      I live near Castelo Branco and we lost a lot of our farm 3 years ago even with our land being ploughed, it went from tree to tree.
      We have just raised money for our local sapadores to buy them shade for when they are on fire watch.
      Stay safe and thank you for what you do!

  • @walklikeacat1234
    @walklikeacat1234 11 років тому

    high stress. firefighters are brave people. I could not do that for a living. even tiny little burns are extremely painful.

  • @johnburt7993
    @johnburt7993 11 років тому +2

    Scary fire.

  • @MerchantIvoryfilms
    @MerchantIvoryfilms 4 роки тому +12

    Yarnell fire 2,000°F
    Shelter: 500F
    I'm running

    • @sergeig685
      @sergeig685 3 роки тому +4

      Yarnell fire 15 mph. You're not outrunning anything.

    • @MerchantIvoryfilms
      @MerchantIvoryfilms 3 роки тому

      Top of the hill was only 200 yards away, they spent over 2 min deploying, maybe your some fat potato chip eating slob but i can easily run 200 yards in 2 min.

    • @MerchantIvoryfilms
      @MerchantIvoryfilms 3 роки тому

      @Mark Calous Says the random youtube troll who has no idea what's hes talking about. Do me a favor, spare us your useless opinion which NO ONE wants to hear, and go back to eating from your bag of potato chips.

    • @wingzfan102
      @wingzfan102 2 роки тому +1

      Have you ever been to the site where they died? Bottom of a steep bowl covered in thick brush and big boulders. You’d have to run up that at a 4 minute mile pace. Not a chance

    • @MerchantIvoryfilms
      @MerchantIvoryfilms 2 роки тому

      @@wingzfan102 Actually there was. Ive done the research from the time they saw the fire, deployment time, waited for the fire to hit there site, all the meanwhile they had many many minutes to run up that hill. Not to mention the closing distance being lenghted every 50 yards they could move up extending their time even further.
      Almost 4-5 minutes. The fire didn't just hit them with in seconds...obviously that wouldn't work.

  • @bradswarren
    @bradswarren 6 років тому +1

    Ok, music credit? Gotta know as geetar picker, good stuff

  • @trancasist
    @trancasist 13 років тому +1

    excellent video but I wonder, is it possible to look at it in Spanish? because the Spanish-speaking firefighting also use these shelters would be great to learn a little about

  • @alanhelton
    @alanhelton 5 років тому +4

    So very surprised a carbon fiber layer hasn't been used... Carbon is amazing at thermal protection......

    • @FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife
      @FontedaPipaPortugueseFarmLife 2 роки тому

      Carbon melts at way lower temps..... i dont know why the dont use layers of cork. i live in Portugal and found out they use Portuguese cork on the nose cone of the shuttle, only material known to man to withstand the re-entry temps

  • @pigjubby1
    @pigjubby1 8 років тому +4

    If you have one, keep a firefighting hood with you. The best head protection you can have.

  • @tiberiu_nicolae
    @tiberiu_nicolae 6 років тому

    Some inflatable shelters would be neat to improve insulation

  • @Nevernotalone
    @Nevernotalone 6 років тому

    So no improvements since the yarnell fire? Hope I spelled that right

  • @ChrstphreCampbell
    @ChrstphreCampbell 11 років тому +1

    a) What's the Expected Safety Period ( in Minutes ) that this type of protection would be effective for ?
    b) If you wanted to Run through the Fire Line ( Burning Forest !!! ) to get to the Already Burned Area, which can't burn anymore, How Far would you have to run through? Obviously; You would try to find a Narrow Path to Run through !

  • @karaski24
    @karaski24 11 років тому +1

    So those are basically body bags?

  • @silversurfer3636
    @silversurfer3636 4 роки тому

    Save that grass!

  • @chang.stanley
    @chang.stanley 6 років тому

    Why not also have a small light carbon fiber high pressure air tank, like the ones use in paintball and airsoft? It would give the person in the shelter cold(from thermal expansion) breathable air and keep the shelter inflated so the hot surface is away from the body. One costs $80-$400. Is it a price thing?

    • @406bullrider5
      @406bullrider5 5 років тому

      I wouldn't wanna carry any unnecessary stuff than I needed, that would qualify

  • @destravlr
    @destravlr 8 років тому +4

    Last resort is the main idea. Aluminum foil is the only thing between the body and the heat.

  • @madcheme
    @madcheme 11 років тому +6

    It's a bit odd gas masks are not a part of a wildland firefighter's personal protection equipment.

    • @cook6985
      @cook6985 8 років тому +8

      Gas masks wouldn't do anything about smoke, what you're thinking of is an oxygen mask. But those thing weigh close to an extra fifteen pounds on an already 45~70 pound pack. Plus, wild land firefighters aren't always on the flaming front, making useless unless during an emergency. With the accident that claimed the lives of 19 of our greatest in Yarnell in 2013, even if they had Oxygen tanks they would have perished. The flames were estimated to be around ~2000 degrees Fahrenheit, those shelters could hold maybe ~1200. But even then you can only take 1 or 2 breaths of 300 degree air, before you suffocate. Not trying to be an ass, just trying to help.

    • @daily5.0r-spec97
      @daily5.0r-spec97 7 років тому +6

      madcheme let em be a rookie, if you have a oxygen mask, you have a oxygen tank, and when that tank heats up too high of heat pressure...well you know what's next.

    • @watsongabriel
      @watsongabriel 6 років тому +2

      To begin, firefighters do not breath oxygen or use oxygen masks. They breath air (~21% oxygen and 79% nitrogen), and do this using mask, which is just one component of the self contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) a system that is worn as a pack, and includes a fire resistant bottle of air, a harness, a first stage regulator, hoses, a mask mounted regulator and the mask. The systems are used almost exclusively for structural firefighting and would, if protected in the fire shelter, likely provide an additional degree of thermal protection for the firefighters airway, and, if the fire is drawing all of the ambient air, the SCBA would provide that as well.
      Similarly, firefighters who work wild land do not wear structural "turnouts" that would provide an additional level of thermal protection for the entire body.
      Ultimately, the protective ensemble for structural and wild land firefighters is very different, and for this reason, the steps taken to remain safe on a wildlife fire are much different. Structural firefighters go into burning buildings for short periods to exact rescues and quickly extinguish fires...wildland firefighters, wear only Nomex (fireproof) outerwear, are not supposed to be subjected to extreme flame activity up close. The different levels of protection represent the optimal, albeit far from perfect, wardrobe. At an extreme to even structural firefighters, are Aircraft Firefighters who often stay within their highly equipped vehicles and wear turnouts coated with a reflective outer layer, optimized for fighting burning jet fuel.
      The above "lesson" serves only to provide context and place emphasis on the importance, for all firefighters, of understanding how to avoid the extreme potential of any given environment. In a structure this is collapse, flashover, and if you're a Baldwin, backdrafts. These threats are instantaneous and likely defeat the structural turnout. For wild land firefighters, the threats are more gradual, changing weather, lowering humidity, and terrain. Wild land firefighters have 10 general orders and a list of Watchout situations to help them navigate the gauntlet of their trade...but no matter what...the trade is dangerous at best, and only gets more dangerous as severity extremes, experience is minimal, and situational awareness is not fully observed.
      As a civilian first, and a firefighter, l know better than to ever second guess those who have encountered these harrowing situations--I believe horrible things can happen to the very best or least prepared and the most important things to do in the aftermath of such tragedies is LISTEN and LEARN. Nothing is the same as living through something firsthand. My hat goes off to those who have survived and who are willing to share. Sometimes, in fact almost every time, that something bad happens, there are those who are quick to point out how it could have been prevented. But I think such case studies can be done without a focus on the individuals. Where individuals are concerned, whatever mistakes were made (I'm sure) will not be soon forgotten...and whatever lessons learned, are lessons we should all receive with gratitude, thanks, and an open mind.

    • @406bullrider5
      @406bullrider5 5 років тому

      I'd rather them not, they cause unnecessary obstacles. Great to have them if you really really need it, cumbersome when you don't

  • @BonyFingers1969
    @BonyFingers1969 7 років тому +2

    How about doubling up on these shelters ...

  • @raymondfrye9606
    @raymondfrye9606 8 років тому +6

    Fire shelters don't work in 50 mile an hour winds and 1000 degrees hot.

    • @pigjubby1
      @pigjubby1 8 років тому +6

      okay. don't use it then.

    • @Gamerboy-gy1rl
      @Gamerboy-gy1rl 7 років тому

      raymond frye you either use it and have a possibility of burning 32 minutes after you put it on or you rather burn immediately??? that will be a long 2 minutes of brutal burning

    • @406bullrider5
      @406bullrider5 5 років тому

      Well neither do you, I'd rather take my chances

  • @eelijjahh
    @eelijjahh 11 років тому +1

    couldn't outrun that fire, belive it or not.

  • @nateheskett333
    @nateheskett333 5 років тому +1

    I think these need a tracking device or something that planes know where they are and where to drop water

    • @406bullrider5
      @406bullrider5 5 років тому

      Water tankers dropping water on personnel would flatten and kill them, drop it to the side and let them run to it

  • @orcinorivera4149
    @orcinorivera4149 11 років тому

    Fueron 19 los mueros en Arizona el 6-30 2013, quie fallo si tenian un buen equipo de proteccion.. DESCANSEN EN PAZ..

  • @aleclitvinov
    @aleclitvinov 12 років тому +1

    too many layers of package, seconds lost on their removal will mean someone won't be able to deploy the shelter in time, especially when light fuels and strong winds are present.
    unfolding this thin film with boots doesn't seem a good idea to me. nails, screws and sharp chips of wood are commonly found in soles of firefighters' boots.
    i'm sure the design can be improved.

  • @sectorboss1
    @sectorboss1 10 років тому +4

    the only difference is one plus 19, hotshots are a crew//team: smoke jumpers are individuals//( they have to have qualifications//crew-boss//operations//air// ) as just one or two folks my have to run a whole fire.} hot shots same but a team of 20 with chain of command(walk, drive,fly) "'jumpers" fly,float,walk all are firefighters:(pants on one leg at a time.)

  • @trancasist
    @trancasist 11 років тому +2

    como puedo obtener esta informacion en español

  • @jounihat
    @jounihat 11 років тому +3

    They are only for situations where you're trapped. Running is not an option.

  • @kimworkman2425
    @kimworkman2425 7 років тому

    why didn't the fire shelter work for the granite mountain hotshots

    • @bassemb
      @bassemb 7 років тому

      It was too intense. As amazing as these shelters are, there is a limit beyond which they degrade.

    • @Gamerboy-gy1rl
      @Gamerboy-gy1rl 7 років тому +1

      Kim Workman 2 layers is not that MUCH

  • @393STROKERer
    @393STROKERer 11 років тому +1

    Amen, brother.

  • @wylandsabri245
    @wylandsabri245 7 років тому +1

    R.I.P:(

  • @gunner2gunner
    @gunner2gunner 5 років тому +1

    This video reminds me of the nuclear bomb videos we watched in school. Even the narrators sounds the same. Maybe if the western states get a better job with forest management, wildfires will do down. See a dead trees cut it down, Bark Beetles are killing thousands of trees.

  • @ozzyczzy827
    @ozzyczzy827 6 років тому

    So these do work, only to a certain extinct. They can withstand only a certain amount of heat.

  • @Gamerboy-gy1rl
    @Gamerboy-gy1rl 7 років тому

    Need to be 5,7 or 10 layers

  • @scj8863
    @scj8863 4 роки тому

    Can you call fellow firefighters "coworkers"? It doesn't seem strong enough. Brethren seems more accurate.

  • @BuffyMcBufferson
    @BuffyMcBufferson 9 років тому +2

    I fell in a cesspool

  • @PsalmMiracle
    @PsalmMiracle 6 років тому

    I have 19 reason's these thing don't work and need to be reupdated and need to be better engineered to work under any situation.

    • @406bullrider5
      @406bullrider5 5 років тому +2

      Well then get to work. Come up with something better, then I'll be impressed. In the meantime, all I see is lips flapping and thumbs twiddling

  • @beefybeef9118
    @beefybeef9118 6 років тому

    If only it worked

    • @406bullrider5
      @406bullrider5 5 років тому

      It does. What about if you worked?

  • @dehadista2006
    @dehadista2006 6 років тому +1

    There should be a better shelter. It looks weak.

  • @ibelieve1674
    @ibelieve1674 4 роки тому

    This doesn't look very safe. We can do better. We should do better for our firefighters and develop something less dangerous.

  • @jaysonconley3433
    @jaysonconley3433 4 роки тому +1

    baked potato?

  • @tommysimmons3258
    @tommysimmons3258 3 роки тому

    Strap the shelter to the front....

  • @flyingtigre1
    @flyingtigre1 11 років тому +1

    i think we all get the message.

  • @Jesusandbible
    @Jesusandbible 7 років тому +2

    babies nappies do not burn, but these suits do. whats going on?
    These catch fire. aluminium foil does not. if you ask me the designers are screwing up the choice of materials.

    • @406bullrider5
      @406bullrider5 5 років тому

      What do you think is on the outside of the shelter dipshit?

  • @cmorera
    @cmorera 11 років тому

    :( RIP

  • @tammieknuth6020
    @tammieknuth6020 3 роки тому

    Price for draining my cell phone

  • @tofuuarmy8273
    @tofuuarmy8273 6 років тому

    "3,987"

  • @TheWorld4all
    @TheWorld4all 11 років тому +1

    Those shake and bake doesn't work! It's just a death trap~~ I would rather take my chances running.

    • @scottkelley1558
      @scottkelley1558 7 років тому +1

      Michael Angel Fire travels at 12 MPH. world class marathon pace. Are you a world class marathoner?

    • @chang.stanley
      @chang.stanley 6 років тому

      @@scottkelley1558 But does it need to run the distance of a marathon, or is it the distance of a sprint?

  • @lifeofday3859
    @lifeofday3859 5 років тому

    *1000*

  • @superpilotkid5478
    @superpilotkid5478 5 років тому +1

    19

  • @Howard3S
    @Howard3S 7 років тому +9

    the showing of women on the make pretend fire line and as leaders just reminds me that they have no business being in this kind of physically demanding work. Maybe 1-2 of a hundred women have anything close to the physical assets to be in this job. Until all have to pass the same standard, and that standard not get dumbed down to make sure everyone passes, I give them no respect.

    • @Gamerboy-gy1rl
      @Gamerboy-gy1rl 7 років тому +2

      Howard3S fucking sexist

    • @carolconny2763
      @carolconny2763 6 років тому +1

      Howard3S Have you noticed women are becoming taller and stronger than most men, because men today are all "soy boys". Also women outnumber men in the workforce because most men are too sick to work. Again one reason causing infirmity and infertility among men is soy.

    • @commiehunter733
      @commiehunter733 Рік тому

      Well said... I noticed that bs too

  • @donger11111
    @donger11111 3 роки тому

    Ayo check ✔️ me out. What if we like made shelters out of stuff that don't burn like water 💧💦💧💦. That way the 🔥🚒🔥🚒🔥 wouldn't like burn it.

  • @User0000000000000004
    @User0000000000000004 2 роки тому

    That guitar music is brutally terrible.

  • @patinsley
    @patinsley 11 років тому +1

    ...

  • @tammieknuth6020
    @tammieknuth6020 3 роки тому

    Stealing my money etc

  • @kirkpennock2997
    @kirkpennock2997 7 років тому +1

    Looks like baked potatoes.

  • @danielgriggs2169
    @danielgriggs2169 7 років тому

    just like a baked potato

  • @primalmixes1722
    @primalmixes1722 4 роки тому

    *1000*