Trouble Defending the Trinity? This Could Help!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- I made a video about the Trinity and a Biblical Unitarian wrote a comment which had 35 Bible verses that "disproved" the Trinity.
I decided to make a video responding to each passage to see if any of them truly refuted the doctrine of the Trinity.
Am I still a Trinitarian after going through the 35 Bible verses or have I abandoned Christian orthodoxy? You'll have to watch to find out!
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Wow, almost judged this video by the title and was about to leave forever. I didn’t want to hear nonsense. But I'd watched a few other videos and found your theology to be sound. So in my confusion and with my finger poised over the X.... lol ...I gave this video a shot. I'm glad I did. Thank you and God bless you!
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch! I’m glad you were blessed by it!
The Oneness theory closely parallels Socinianism in respect to the idea of Jesus being a thought in God's mind, as you have observed.
The argument of jesus is not a thought because he was there before creation makes no sense. The angels existed prior to creation. Why not the son. Why not as a separate entity. When babel fell, it caused a disconnect. The tricle down effect of that is the trinity. I believe in Jesus Christ. However, i question why the trinity is used as the cruch of salvation. God said put no other god before me. Believing in Jesus regardless of the trinity means you believe in the correct god. It means you believe the holy spirit. The trinity is a disservice to Gods praise. It dosnt matter in the big picture. Praise god.that what matter.
Where does it say that angels existed prior to creation?
Isaiah 44:24,
“Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD, who made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who spread out the earth by myself.”
@colin_priest that passage does not contradict what I have stated. Nor did I say God was not the creator. Jesus calls himself the son of God, so ask this question. Why would God put us in a situation of such confusion. The word trinity is no where to be found in the Bible. What he have here is Man trying to understand God and in doing so, man made confusion. That is my understanding.
Don't forget to put down the whole purpose of the book of John, which is found in John 20 v 30-31 "The Purpose of John’s Gospel
30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe[a] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." If the lamb is equal to God almighty, why oh why does Jesus state in John 10 v 29 this: 29" My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." What part of "greater than ALL" do you have difficulty understanding. What does ALL mean to you? Peace.
I would love to hear what you think John means by Jesus being the “Son of God.”
No where in the OT do we see God having an only begotten, unique, one-of-a-kind Son and yet it’s all over the NT. And what do the NT authors mean by it?
It’s obviously significant because in John 19:7, it says, “The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God.”
But aren’t we all God’s children? What’s the big deal just saying you’re God’s Son?
Even the centurion testified that Jesus was no ordinary man when he said, “truly this was the Son of God.”
When Paul first gets saved, the message he preached to others was the same. Acts 9:20, “And immediately he proclaimed Jesus in the synagogues, saying, “He is the Son of God.”
There must be significance to that title. It’s very telling of his deity. Again, not saying Jesus is the Father, but his nature is the same exact same as the Father’s - which is blasphemous for any man to claim equality with God if it weren’t true.
@@colin_priest Jesus refutes you by explaining in Mark 10:18 that he is not intrinsically good by nature (αγαθον), unlike God who is. None is αγαθον except God alone. This is Jesus’ own spoken response to someone asking about how to inherit eternal life. Jesus was unwilling to answer their question without first publicly reprimanding the questioner for daring to call him Διδασκαλε αγαθε (“good teacher”) and correcting the questioner by explaining that God alone is αγαθον (intrinsically good by nature). This completely overturns the trinitarian apologetic that “God the son” shares an identical nature/being with God the Father. They are qualitatively different.
I find your arguments quite weak Colin. From your attempt to spin John 17 v 3 which is really quite clear, you continue to mention equality with Jesus and his God, the Father. Perhaps you should explain Jesus' explanation in John 10 v 27-30, which state: "27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” From trinitarian point of view, verse 30 sums it up for them, but lets keep things in context. This is about "sheep" or followers. Who gives the sheep to Jesus? In verse 29 , who is "greater than all" according to Jesus? Who is "all". This seems to blow equality of 3 coequal, coeternal persons out of the water unless you can explain coequality with one party "greater than all". Jesus is true to himself in John 17 v 3.....there is one God, the Father. The 1 timothy 2 v 5 is quite clear also. One must first understand what the word mediator means. In a courtroom, if you go to mediation, somebody is a go between and 2 other parties are involved. The scripture there is clear that God is one party, the human race is another party and the "mediator" is a go between God and humans. It is quite simple. The mediator is not God, the humans are not God, but only God is God, independent of the parties. This is the same God, Yahweh that Jesus calls the "only true God" in John 17 v 3. Certainly, a trinitarian position can be argued by taking things out of context or by adding things like "same substance," homoousios, dual nature, etc, but these are all post biblical. Again. Jesus ALWAYS has a God, and it is the Father. He calls out to his God from the cross, he states to Mary to tell the others that he is going to "my Father and your Father to my God and your God." If there is ONE God according to the words of the Messiah, Jesus, it is hard to spin that into Jesus also being that God. This is especially true, since Jesus, being a Jew, should have been saying the Shema, twice a day stating that "hear O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is 1. Also, Jesus retains his steadfast position that he has a God even when he is resurrected and at the right hand of his God. From Revelation 3 v 12 we read: "12 The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name." As a former trinitarian who was accepting of God's grace when read John 3 v 16, I never quite understood how the pastor tried to explain the trinity and then say it is a "mystery" when in actuality, it did not make sense from John 3 v 16, which stated that God so loved the world that "he", not they, sent his only begotten son, (not himself in the form of a son), so I believed like a little child....that God decided to make a son who is "godly" but not God, and to a certain extent, when receive holy spirit, we have some God in us also, which should make us "godly" but hardly should it make us God. Again....I was a former trinitarian, and there are different biblical unitarian views on Jesus' beginning as to whether Jesus existed as Jesus before he was born or whether he came in to existence fulfilling God's plan when he was born and his ministry doing not his will, but the will of his father, who he claimed as the "only true God," began. God's peace.
"But for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."
1 Corinthians 8:6
Glory be to our Father YHWH: The Only True God.
And to His Son: our Lord and Messiah, Yahshua Christ Jesus! ✝️
Great video!
Hmm…after watching the full video, I do believe the pillars by which the proposed language is supported must be revisited.
If we are to base our understanding biblically, can you establish where the derived four truths are biblically supported outright?
I only ask, because you question the same from others who comment on your posts. So to posit something as “truth,” that must first be supported. I would hope you agree.
I ask as a person who believes in the triune God, but your language used in your Truth #3 seems…specific. And I am aware that may be intentional…
But first, please support the language of your truths Biblically please.
Thanks for watching and commenting 🙂
Here’s my Trinity video with the verses to back up my foundational Trinity truths: Are We Right About the Trinity? Part 1
ua-cam.com/video/iLYYfKpQQCs/v-deo.html
It’s called the Godhead! Cleary taught in scripture.
27:39 - _"This verse is very similar to this idea of Revelation 22:3: 'No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne _*_of God and of the Lamb_*_ will be in it, and _*_his_*_ servants will worship _*_HIM.'_*_ That's interesting. There's one throne, _*_of God and the Lamb,_*_ and _*_his_*_ servants will worship _*_HIM._*_ Singular pronoun. Feel like that's very interesting."_
It's not only very interesting. It's the _conclusive_ and _revelatory_ declaration of scripture. That "God AND the Lamb" are _not_ a plurality of "they/them/their" divine persons, but rather a singular, _unipersonal_ "HE/HIM/HIS" Spirit...whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
*REVELATION 22:16 (KJV)*
*I JESUS* have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. *I am the root **_AND_** the offspring of David,* and the bright and morning star.
1. In David's family line, *any **_successor_** of David* would be a SON of *any **_predecessor_** of David.*
2. "The offspring of David" is a _successor_ of David.
3. "The root of David" is a _predecessor_ of David.
4. Therefore, *"the offspring of David"* would be a SON of *"the root of David".*
5. "The offspring of David" is JESUS.
6. "The root of David" is JESUS.
7. Therefore, *JESUS* would be a SON of *JESUS;* that is, JESUS would be _his own_ FATHER (God the Father), and _his own_ SON (the Son of God).
_Revelation..._
Jesus is not the Father (John 14:23).
I am a Christian, and I believe that The Father is the Only True God.
Christ Jesus is my Lord, and his Father is my God.
The trinity is polytheism disguised as monotheism and denied as such for 1700+ years.
Do you believe the Son is separate from the Father but that his nature is the exact imprint of Him?
@@colin_priest Jesus is of a different intrinsic nature/being than God. (Mark 10:18)
@GabrielEddy
Yes, Jesus is a human man with his own free will - like all humans God created.
He chose to give up his will in order to do and obey the will of God.
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
@@CalebTheHumbled Jesus refutes him by explaining in Mark 10:18 that he is not intrinsically good by nature (αγαθον), unlike God who is. None is αγαθον except God alone. This is Jesus’ own spoken response to someone asking about how to inherit eternal life. Jesus was unwilling to answer their question without first publicly reprimanding the questioner for daring to call him Διδασκαλε αγαθε (“good teacher”) and correcting the questioner by explaining that God alone is αγαθον (intrinsically good by nature). This completely overturns the trinitarian apologetic that “God the son” shares an identical nature/being with God the Father. They are qualitatively different.
@@GabrielEddy
Well said, friend.
oudeis agathos ei me' heis ho Theos.
No one is good - except God alone.
Jesus is god along with the father and the holy spirit 🙏