'Starmer Will Reverse Brexit By Stealth'
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- A fascinating interview with Peter Oborne on Times Radio four months ago!
Peter Oborne has been part of the right wing media for decades and appears to have been converted by #Brexit.
Interesting for remainers who want to feel Bregret and for Brexit defenders who still want to believe in the project.
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If it's any consolation Peter I can't forgive you either.
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That comment speaks more about you than Peter. I guess you're always right about everything.
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@@TranscendentalDentist certainly right about not forgiving the brexiteers, especially those who said such false things as this one. Those who brought Brexshit on us cannot easily be forgiven. They damaged the UK and the damage continues to get worse year after year.
@@russmarkham2197 Thanks 👍
Two types of people. The gullible, the stupid and the misled can be forgiven. But those others who wanted us to leave so badly, that they knowingly told lies and spread smart mouth insults to fake the argument for the Brexit cause should never be forgiven.
You are giving far too much credit to the ones who you think knew it was going to be so bad. I see no evidence that they were clever enough to know that they were idiots. How could anyone actually think that Farage had a clue? That Johnson had a centre to him? There is not one Brexiteer who has any ability to think rationally, not a single one!
and that sloutch in the video is one of the devious bars+ards, who did all he could to ruin your country.
Yeah, some should be jailed for spreading misinformation
I''m totally with what Tusk on what he said about those people..'there is a special place in hell for them'.
Consequences for all are the same, so what?
Sorry guys, but while leaving a club is your decision, rejoining is solely the decision of the remaining club members
And therd are more who want to join the EU
Supporting Brexit is not an error of judgment, it's evidence of astonishing stupidity.
“Mistakes are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them.” - Bruce Lee
@@TruthWillOut-hb9vc This was not a mistake--this was a showing of absolute ignorance and delusion of empire!!!!!!!!! Elloco is right--supporting Brexit is absolute and astonishing stupidity.
Exactly
It's an act of destructive psychopathic wickedness
From this government would we have expected anything else?. This government has been run by great-pretenders from day one, NOT a statesman amongst them. What a piss poor performance they have shown us!.
Let's face it, you had to be a complete fool to vote to leave.
Which means that 52% of the UK are fools! You are probably and unfortunately correct! Who knew? I didn't! !I should get out more I had no idea there were so many idiots in this country!
Yes, voting leave it's a badge of wilful ignorance... or racist/xenophobic/nationalist tendencies.
I’m still puzzled by the referendum result 🤔 isolating ourselves from one of the biggest trading blocks in the world , utter madness 🤔😞
Or an extremely arrogant toff like this man. Even now he’s lying about both sides lying. Leave lied. Remain gave educated predictions, which as we have seen have come very true. The financial crash predicted was only mitigated by the Governor of the Bank of England. The pound still crashed but not as bad as it could have thanks to him.
It's exactly that level of dismissive arrogance that led to the vote going the way it did. Let's just call them all stupid and ignore their concerns! Remainers have themselves to blame for the result.
This is a man who thought long and hard about brexit and has now changed his mind.
I knew it was a disaster from the start.
Why listen to him? Arrogance.
There is a certain amount of arrogance there.
graham: If he "thought" long and hard about Brexit, he needs to have his brain checked.
Nobody who voted to leave thought long and hard, except the instigators of the con.
I agree we should not listen to him.
He didn't change his mind. He liked May's deal. He is just sorry this isn't the Brexit he voted for.
I don't forgive him either or the farmers who thought Brexit would work. They shouldn't be in business with such poor acumen.
Farmers out of business ensures more people can’t afford food.
The public need to hit rock bottom to realise their mistake. As bad as it is, this will be a hard lesson.
What about the other hundreds of thousands of business owners who were conned into voting for it.
They should have been smarter. I am no genius, but I weighed up the pros and cons and didn't fall for the con.
They need to take responsibility. And xenophobia played a massive part so I have absolutely no sympathy.
@@DCDPM countries don’t easily reverse from heading to rock bottom and also pull other countries nearby into the swamp!
Please keep up the good work Liz, rational Brits are with you all the way x
Unfortunately you're an endangered species.
Rational Brits would see the loss of a Nations Sovereignty by giving it away to a none entity like the EU that does not have any regard to the citizens living there, is completely insane
@@davidraddings8211 oh yeah, because getting our sovereignty back has work wonders for us hasn’t it!!! 🙄
Do you remember as much sewage in our rivers and lakes when we were in the EU?
No?
Because we weren’t allowed to do it
Giving us complete autonomy is like giving a toddler the keys to your car and a bottle of brandy!!
F**k sovereignty!!!
I’d prefer sense over sovereignty!!
Sovereignty won’t feed my child you fool
Agreed
@@davidraddings8211 Actually, rational Brits understand that isolating ourselves from our nearest ally, especially in these dangerous times and should a dangerously unstable individual become president of America, who is liable to do anything irrational, as well as pushing up our cost of living substantially by self imposed import duties and damaging exports by the same actions is actually a stupid idea in the name of some nebulous idea of “sovereignty”.
It sickens me that so many citizens of europe fall for the simplest divisive tactics and fear mongering of politicians that happily shatter our future for their own profit.
Indeed, it has been my trade to fool people (advertising) but after decades it has not ceased to surprise me how gullible, or how superficial, stupid, uncaring, unthinking, crazy people really are, in other words, they are the very opposite of what they think they are.
I'm afraid Frank Zappa was correct "The most common element in the Universe isn't hydrogen, it's stupidity"
@@BritishRosie-es3zr “Imagine the intelligence of an average person. Now, realize that half of the people are stupider than that.” George Carlin
@@BritishRosie-es3zr
Stupidity when arrogant is the main characteristic which identifies a person as a useful idiot.
Your comments equally apply to the UK, USA and pretty much any country on the planet, so why single out Europe?
What folk who previously voted for brexit need to understand is how angry we are that we are never going to get anything near the sweet deal we had before! That's on YOU! And you cannot claim you didn't have all the information back then - you just chose not to look
As a steak eating Guardian reading remainer it seemed like i was the only one in my neighborhood who did not vote Brexit. It was so obviously wrong.
Brexit is just moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government.
The European voter is actually moving populist Right with every day.
good for you Edward !
You can hold your head up in pride, and when the young say why did you vote Brexit to ruin our lives , you can say IDIDNT,
Dracula was killed with a stake..
I voted remain and so happy to be on the right side of history. Both my brothers voted leave and still won't admit they were wrong.
You are definitely on the wrong side of history.
You proved my point perfectly, thank-you. @@erushbass8326
@@erushbass8326 are you their brother ?
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@@erushbass8326 I see said the blind man.
Admitting but wiggling out of any responsibility - that’s my Tory 😊
......and the Labour Leave Group?
No one forgives you!
Or the farmers, or the fishermen.
DUPED!
No one was duped, no one was forced to read the Daily Mail or listen to liars and grifters like Farage and Johnson, they lapped it up because the hate greed and racism was music to their ears, it's what they wanted and as every farmer knows you reap what you sow.
I will never forgive them And i will never forgive Tory enablers either.
@@audreymcgready4329 Corbyn should of accepted the result of the Referendum. He was anti EU all his political life just like his hero Tony Benn. He became leader suddenly flipped flopped and crashed in the Old Labour Leave seats.
I tried at first to accept it, but now no. I cannot forgive anyone who voted for it. It was just utter stupidity.
The fishermen duped themselves 😮
Brexit was a bloody disaster. Absolutely.
Was? It still is a bloody disaster and new disastrous things are still happening during 2024.
30000 immigrants seem to prefer the UK to the EU ..They risk their lives every year in boats to come here
@@dolmen6613 It is not about preference, they understand the UK is out of EU before that they would be split up in the EU.
@@skinless333x2 - funny they don't decide to stay in the EU since it's such a paradise
Absolutely not, no regrets getting the hell out of that anti democratic, unaccountable, declining, toxic organisation.
"The euro is, of course, a nightmare" he says, still pushing with that convincing, patrician voice, things that sound believable by his own certainty.
If it is - exactly WHO is the euro being a nightmare for? The French? The Belgians? The Spanish? All seem to be getting on happily enough, using it hundreds of times a day without complaint or shudder.
The Euro will become a nightmare for the British when they lose the right of Euro clearing in one year! It will cost them seceral ten thousand well paid jobs and a quarter of tax revenue...
It will put a huge spotlight on how broke(n) the UK really is...
It is so useful to be able to travel and most importantly trade all across Europe using one transparent currency with no exchange rate fees, delays etc. Everyone in Europe takes the euro for granted and in a way that is proof that it has been a massive, massive success. Anyone who calls it a disaster has NO idea…
Hahaha. Some EU members states are doing extremely well on the vacuum left behind by Brexit. They are now enjoying this new found wealth and not about to give up. They will object once Britain apply to rejoin. Good luck Starmer
The members that benefit out of Brexit are few. Mostly we all lost on all sides (though the UK much more so). I suspect that the benefits of having the UK back in the EU (given clear changes needed from the UK) will override the benefits created by the hard border, because most of those benefits won't disappear. Brexit forced some supply chains to change, but the UK rejoining will not force all of them to return. Also I think young people of Europe want to be free to work and study in the UK as English is becoming a de-facto language of business. So, given that it will take more than a decade for us to even decide to return, I'm pretty confident that rejoining is inevitable.
How do you know . What a stupid thing to say. Trade benefits both sides . I live in Europe and most prefer a united Europe especially now we have a n aggressive Russia on our borders .
@@lellyparkerIt only takes one country to veto. And the French need to hold a BINDING referendum on any new entrants. Do you feel lucky? Why is it that you English, remainers or brexiteers, don't know ANYTHING about EU, Europe or even your own country. A civics class would help. There is rules you know.
I can think of Poland, Rumania, lreland, The Netherlands, even Germany....
@@lellyparkerit only takes one member state to veto an application to join the EU.
I think UK will be eventually allowed back, but without any of its former privileges, and only after making significant concessions to members states that have specific issues with UK (think French fishermen, Gibraltar, the Parthenon marbles…)
Hard lessons take time. We tried words now we have to let reality do it's work.
No wonder the country is in a shambles with people like this telling us what’s good for us.
'Starmer Will Reverse Brexit' I so hope so!!!
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This is the same arrogant English exceptionalism that caused brexit in the first place, Starmer or no UK PM has the power to "reverse brexit", firstly because it's not up to the UK it's up to the existing 27 members and their decision has to be unanimous and secondly all the previous perks and opt outs are gone so there is no re-join or Single Market there is only join or not.
Correction: Starmer will start Britain on the long and difficult road to reversing Brexit. (We’re talking 20 years here, not 5 years.)
@@timonsolus Starmer can't reverse Brexit. The UK had the power to leave the EU. It does not have the power to force itself back in.
No!
Little brexitannia is not welcome in OUR club.
Be happy with your turd island.
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liz, you are becoming the flag bearer for rejoining the EU Your video's show brilliantly the shear stupidity of Brexit. Great work.
Liz likes to remove any comments that dont create a complete echo chamber.
@@erushbass8326 And how do you know this ? Would you care to prove it please ? If you cannot. would you do the honorable thing and delete your comment ? We await your reply.
Yes, but the damage is done, thanks to people like him. somehow I dont think people ,who are suffering from Brexit really care what he thinks in hindsight. Why dont these channels and news outlets ask remainers who are suffering from a Brexit they didnt even vote for ?
He is against Brexit but thinks that the Euro is a nightmare. There are only two possibilities. First is that he incompetent the other is that he is just a liar.
He was against the Euro. Often those who were Brexit believers are conflicted!
No, I disagree. There were (although today rather historic) rational arguments against joining the single currency, whilst at the same time wishing to remain in the EU. Okay, Oborne admits to regretting having supported Brexit - without probably comprehending that Brexiting comprehensively closed the door on this issue - but I think it's unfair to call him a liar. Incompetence (as a political commentator) I'd find it more difficult to argue on his behalf.
No, he is not against Brexit. He liked May's deal. He is basically saying "this is not the Brexit I voted for".
Now do not underestimate the possibility that he might well be both.
@@lizwebstersbf The UK did not join the Euro, so he should have been fine. But his hate for the continental europeans didnt allow himself to accept that we where creating the Euro without the UK.
Hope so. Getting back into the EU. Is so important for the future of the nation.
As EU citizen, i would welcome you back. But that takes time, little steps and no preferential deals like you had before.
Trust is broken. How to restore it, no clue.
As far as i know it's now: GB needs the EU instead of the EU needs the UK.
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How so, exactly?
GB now needs the EU. Absolutely right. How ever. What ? Just give up, now that it is becoming absolutely, economical and socially clear ? But giving up ? That's was never in the British make up. Though we will never have the same status the same trust, or qudos. (In the world) Greetings from Cyprus.
Yes, we unique deals before, including keeping our own currency. Now we’re outside looking in.
every single trade or even general treaty agreement between two nations sur-imposes a supra-national structure on both nations. If you want to keep 100% sovereignty don't negotiate any treaty with anybody...ever. That includes trade treaties.
TPP is an extreme example of a super trade agreement that forces member states to surrender a broad range of national sovereignty on a long list of areas of national interest. And is governed by a supranational legal structure. No parliament can overrule decisions handed down by this supranational legal body.
To approach it from another angle; NATO is a classic example of a supranational structure where all members voluntarily surrender some sovereignty for a greater public good. Each member accepts an obligation to go to war on behalf of another member that invokes article 5. You cant imagine a greater surrender of national sovereignty than that. Going to war without having any personal choice in the matter (there is no optout from article 5) throws the very survival of a nation state into the mix. Neither its population nor its government has any say in the matter once article 5 is invoked. Yet that is considered beyond debate (incidentally I love NATO).
So the very premise of the absolute sovereignty pro Brexit camp is false. Its based on a world that has never existed. And never will.
Inside the EU, every country has an equal negotiating right. All decisions are by consensus. And each country has a broad veto. You cant get fairer than that. There is no article 5 in the EU constitution whereby one country can force decisions on other countries. And in practice every EU member negotiated carve-outs to exempt them from certain rules. Joining the Euro was a totally voluntary affair. Leaving it had no consequences for the overall EU membership.
It's strange that every Brit thinks that the European Union is a bus where you can get on and off whenever it suits you, but I can tell you that getting off is a lot easier than getting on. and starmer can want a lot and think of a lot, but half of the unnie countries have already shown that they are not very keen to have the UK join the european union again. and I fear that door will remain closed for a long time, perhaps forever
Yes, I think that part has gone over a lot of people's heads. The UK has played with fire and now it has to deal with the consequences.
Amen to that.
Exactly and well said! We told them to fuck off so why shouldn't they do the same? Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot! Brexit has been a disaster for the UK. We are going to suffer for the consequences for decades! Thanks Nigel!
It is a bit strange of you to think you know what every Brit thinks in the first place. I got news for you. YOU DON'T.
I am not as negative as you, sure if will be a difficult process but I have yet to hear any EU politician express opposition to the UK rejoining in fact many have expressed their support for just such a move. We should not forget that the UK was amongst the top 3 contributors to the EU budget and now that we have lost all our opt outs it might be an even bigger contributor in the future. The loss of the UK contribution is now being shared out amongst the other members so there were no winners in this we all lost. It has had a positive impact in that many of those right wing parties that also wanted to follow the UK out are a lot less vociferous in their opposition to the EU now having seen the impact on the UK.
Liz, please keep up your good work. The farming community is moving into the right direction thanks to your channel!
Peter Oborne was a political journalist, he knew better. He was just banging the drum for the right wing press (and getting paid for what he said). Lot's of huffing and puffing in this interview, I didn't like him before but like him even less now! These fools have cost us billions of pounds and put us back twenty years.
paul bird: thank you for pointing out this truth that no one wants to mention.
Totally agree. Full of arrogant self-importance. Even his regret is false. He liked May's deal. He is just sorry he didn't get the Brexit he voted for.
"Still think the Euro is a nightmare" - a bit like being a US Citizen saying "The Dollar is a nightmare". The same pressures exist between rich California and poorer states like Wyoming and Mississippi. Compensatory measures to move cash from the richer to poorer exist in the US, as they do in the EU, to prevent internal decay and regional depopulation.
What is amazing is for the state of Cornwall to shun the EU, where the EU basically funded that county having being disregarded by the home Government.
Not so much as an ignorant decision as stark raving economically suicidal.
And yet a lot of those who voted for this shit show are doubling down on the racism and authoritarianism, because that's what they really voted for.
But taking the Euro wasn't even on the cards. It had nothing to do with the Referendum, he's just trying to dodge responsibility... AGAIN!
We all know why he did it... he's a Russian Asset. He got caught buggering kids by the Russians, like every other Brexiteer and literally every journalist and broadcast type in Britain.
It’s easy to admit mistakes - after finding someone else to blame.
I have been married three times...so I know the concept
And what would be so wrong about a United state’s of Europe with a written constitution and bill of rights ( avoiding the awful mistakes the Americans made ) The European nations have more in common culturally than differences it was the home of the enlightenment and the modern age that flowed from it
Language is the biggest difference.
Europe isn’t really a monolith, you could talk about western Europe more in that sense but Europe as a whole.
Look at that beautiful grass, lush and rich. That hormone packed, cattle fed on animal feed will shortly be most peoples Sundays roast in Britain is unbelievable, criminal even.
Why do people listen to these so-called political specialists? People like Peter Oborne know no more than you or I. His flawed views on the EU and his being a Brexiteer show this to be true. By the way, that man interviewing Peter Oborne has an awful, harsh voice. Super hard to listen to.
I am only too glad that my own judgment on the stupidity of Brexit has remained constant. And I didn't need the help of so-called political pundits to come to that view, either.
Brexit was, is, and will forever be for the birds!
What really got to me was a clip in which Cameron back then argued for staying inside EU, but the whole clip was brim full with falsehoods about the EU, which were fit to support anyone believing to leave was a justifyable idea. It looked as if even the PM did'nt ever read a single line about how the thing actually works. Loudicrous.
Why would average people listen to people living under completely different conditions? People way better off! People who always stay on top.
@@bokhans Exactly!
@@brunsheimmasterbaitwilfrie2811 Nothing should surprise us! We are being led by donkeys!
Keep up the good fight Liz,
He voted to give up membership of the local gym in favour of joining one in australia, only later did he realise it wasnt really practical. Meanwhile he was free not to go to his local gym and any new flab acquired was sovereign happy flab
Being half-French, half-English, I think I have a fairly rare perspective on this. The important thing for Britain to understand is that Brexit is done and there's no going back. Britain talks about Brexit, the EU doesn't. So, appalling though the situation is, Britain needs to accept reality and do the best it can with it.
Good for him if he does.
The information was out there pre-referendum. People chose to ignore it. Like the joke of a claim that Europe needed us more than we need them.
they need us as a dumping ground for their unwanted immigrants
I'm sorry but Oborne's observation that the euro was a disaster is immaterial to the UK as we never joined the single currency. If he read the facts (i.e. that the UK is now the bottom of the pile in Europe- with the possible exception of Bulgaria), he'd realise we brought much of this on ourselves.
Did lots in England really believe that they could get their cake n eat it with EU?
'...could you tell us a bit about your journey?' 'Well, being an unprincipled, addle brain, the wind blew from the south so I went north, then the wind blew from the north so I went south.' Can't stand this man. He is part of the reason we are in this mess.
Yep! "I used the Union Jack as a masturbatory aid, and then felt a bit ashamed of myself".
Agreed. And his arrogant, self-important, know-it-all attitude will ensure this mess continues until people no longer fall for his kind of nonsense.
I'll believe his contrition when he has given ALL of his money to the people he has harmed and goes to spend the rest of his life in penury.
Starmer will not do it by stealth nor in broad daylight.
It doesnt seem to land in the english psyche that it needs 2 to tango, and in this case the dance partner is the one deciding.
The Europeans will cooperate.
@@LordOfLight nop
@@LordOfLightDream on, we've had enough of the bile and anti Europe tripe from what is a European country itself.
You will never get back in while Ireland and France have a veto.
@@LordOfLight "the Europeans".
Those words say enough about the attitude, how it has not changed from exceptionalism.
Keep it up, and joining will stay another few years more out of sight
@@ab-ym3bfexactly!
He’s perfectly happy to say she got it wrong on brexit. Brexit and that corruption government had real consequences in people’s lives, livelihoods. And still he tries to say there were lies on both sides. He caused pain and suffering and hardship and destitution and there was no need for it. He might be happy to say he was wrong, but others are not.
The chaos referred to was totally predictable.
At an American summer camp for kids, things went as they normally did, friendships developed, the kids had some degree of harmony, and they were having fun.
Then the researchers gave half the children red shirts, and the other half blues ones. This was done at random. No explanation was given.
After a short while children wearing different coloured shirts were tending to fall out more than those of the same shirt colour. Those with blues shirts were given different accomodation to those with red. In time one group would attack the rooms of the other.
Eventually, the researchers had to stop this conflict, so they created a problem that was only solved by all the kids pulling together.
Brexit was a perfect way to create such conflict. In fact, because the separation between Leavers and Remainers was based on people's ideas rather than being arbitrary, it was bound to be even more destructive.
Psychologically, there are 3 filters through which we see the world: fear/survival instinct, desire, and intellect. Think of them as siblings, with intellect being the younger and the less powerful one. We, especially in the West like to think of ourself as highly rational. But, that's not true. A lot of politics is driven by the first 2 rather than rational thought. Biases, attitudes and beliefs are more often emotional support props that make us feel safe, rather than tried and tested observations and analyses. And no-one is immune from being subverted by desire and fear. That's just being human, and that's why the British people were successfully manipulated into agreeing to an act of self-harms. They had their fears and desires lead them by the nose. And we should reserve our anger for those who did the manipulating to secure their wealth and power, oblivious to the very real consequences of failing to address effectively the fears and anger they raised and misdirected. The only good thing to come out of Brexit is that we now know our establishment and institutions efficacy, competence, and judgment is lacking. But to repair that damage means confronting as a people all the falsehoods and misunderstandings that are still leading some astray. And then encourage accountability rather than blame. We need PR to replace FPTP, we need devolution in England, and we need to expose more ordinary people to the facts and arguments, rather than just opinion, that is often uninformed. And we need more responsive and alert governance. In lacking all these, we have nurtured entitlement, shortermism, and corruption in our government, and the chicken are coming home to roost from that. The absurdities we believed leave economic, political, and social atrocities in their wake. And unless we change our approach, there is a long, slow, and painful price to pay.
In other words......they wanted their cake and eat it. Simple really!
I agree with you but would just point out that the British people were not manipulated into agreeing to an act of self-harm. The electorate in Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU. England and Wales dragged us out.
I agree. The silver lining to this whole Brexit mess is people starting to realise the country needs serious reform.
The sheer arrogance of the Brits thinking that it's just up to them to "reverse Brexit".
Brexit was the best thing to happen to the EU
Put your brush away and stop tarring us all with it. We didn't all vote for it or the party that gave us it either.
exactly
It really wasn't the best thing that happened to the EU. Quite the opposite.
@@jamesprice4647 But it was. It reborne the European feelings among the young and the less educated. The flame had subsided but now, and with the threat of Russia to enforce it, everyone knows why they are European and that the brits and now the russians tried to screw them.
Well said.
Starmer is a political genius. He runs his campaign by avoiding giving any reason for the Tory party to unite and hit Labour with their client media. Instead, the Tories are hitting themselves at every turn.
There are probably millions of leave voters who feel the same, it's time for the Labour party to take a stand and declare itself as a pro EU party.
Brexit always was about the Uber rich in the UK keeping their bank accounts secret. (Europe wanted transparency.)
It was sold to the British public on immigration. Has immigration stopped or even improved?
No Brexit was not just about one thing. This is a common misunderstanding.
@@Purple_flower09 To the general people of the country it was about lot's of things, but to the Uber rich, the ones with power, it was about keeping their secret bank accounts hidden from the taxman.
Nigel Farage has been in the employment of one of these billionaires for decades. That is how he has access to huge funds to start new parties all the time.
Many of these billionaires influenced the Conservative government into a referendum. If there hadn't been such a divisive split within the Conservative Party, Cameron would never have gone for a vote.
The irony is, Cameron's Eton education was paid for by the secret bank account industry..
@@harveysmith100 What a total load of nonsense. The same "Big 4" accountancy firms who help the rich dodge taxation were employed by the EU to create their so-called anti-tax avoidance laws, so would know all the loopholes, thus be able to advise their rich clients on how to avoid any so-called EU anti-tax avoidance laws. Also, all the major tax-dodging capitalist corporations wanted to remain in the EU. The European Union and its predecessors have all been right-wing instruments of capitalism, and the EU constitution actually makes it illegal for any member states to become socialist states.
I've never understood why people couldn't see that Brexit was anything but lunatic. Whether Starmer reverses Brexit by stealth or any in other way it is imperative for the UK's future that Brexit is reversed as much as possible.
Starmer wont be able to undo all the damage caused by Brexit...not even in two parliaments.
They did, they're just being blackmailed by Russian kompromat... likely photos of child mXXXstation... a lot of it, it's the British way!
Only 25% of the British public now wish to remain outside the EU.
Let's hope it is reversed.
An absolute act of madness.
Anyone who is old enough, will remember the decades of resistance and obstructionism that the UK engaged in when they were a member. They were always given special treatment and consideration and became accustomed to their position of priveledge. All of that is over, re entry if it happens at all, should be a Tabula Rasa for the UK.
And Peter Osborne is supposedly an intelligent man!
People who voted leave were misled, people who didnt vote should have done. The only people who are really culpable are those who engineered it all, but it is either dishonest or foolish for anyone to contnue denying that Brexit was a really bad idea.
If Labour respected the votes of the public and the current mood .the labour party should carry out a census of would people rethink Brexit .People can make mistakes and they should be given a chance to correct that mistake .
There is no upside for the EU to have the uk back, just because you’ve changed your mind while still giving all the old arguments as to why you left.
Good luck with that approach.
Wrong. Having he UK back has quite a lot more upside than having the likes of Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary in he EU.
Liz Webster for MP! 😃🥳
She's too honest to be an MP.
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t You can never be too honest. If you always tell the truth, nobody can say you are lying. And the most important part you don't have to remember your lies.
She should fit in well from the little I've seen.
Needs to understand politics and democracy first.
As a parliamentary lawyer I had a good understanding of the risks of Brexit, that’s why I voted remain, and boy have they come to pass!!! Also, I was involved in scrutinising a lot of Brexit related legislation, and let me tell you that people have no conception of the enormous amount of legislation that has been required to put our laws on a post EU footing! I don’t see how Labour can substantially reverse Brexit by stealth simply because of the amount of further legislation that will be required. It truly is a shxt show!
Universities need to start teaching a course : Decision Making 101. If you voted for Brexit, you are culpable beyond understanding. When the Governor of the Bank of England gives 2 impromptu conferences about the danger of Brexit (which Mark carney did) then there is no mercy shown toward you. You were ruled by nationalist emotions instead of facts and you got what you voted for and Britain deserves everything it is now living!
The British keep thinking (mistakenly) that the EU is an off and on switch. Although I support the UK to be a full member of the EU, I don’t think it will happen easily and swiftly this time around! So joining by stealth will not happen and this is from the EU’s side!
How many times does it have to be explained to the British people. There is no such thing as "reversing Brexit".
You can brexit, in other words, exit the EU. there is no system in place to "rejoin". The only system in place is to apply to join the EU. things have changed drastically since you join ed the EEC with all the other European nations.
Things have moved on a lot since De Gaulle finally withdrew his veto against allowing you to join as he said you couldn't be trusted to keep your treaties.
That worked out well, didn't it? You can apply to rejoin but the EU is a far different place now. You know have the Copenhagen Criteria, which you fall far short of. You also don't want to agree with the ECHR. You have already broken International law with your Rwanda disaster and you can't even put in place the tariffs you agreed to.
In short you will have to get the agreement of 27 sovereign nations of the European Union before you can even become a "candidate nation"
The EU has moved on and we don't have discussions on Brexit as you seem to do in the UK. Oh well, never mind.
Rejoiners are loons.
We understand that we can’t just waltz in again. The debate is/will be whether, how and when we should reapply. Believe me there is no rejoin arrogance.
*"How many times does it have to be explained to the British people."* - None. We know exactly what reversing Brexit means and what reversing Brexit does not mean.
Don't get me wrong, I would love the UK to join us again, but not the current UK. Judging by the comments on videos like this, many of the Brits do not have the right mindset. However, I am also beginning to see some changes here and there. The thought processes are moving in the right direction. Let's give them time, see how things evolve. Let's hope they'll get there, eventually.
If there's rejoin arrogance it's pricks like this.
Peter Oborne’s book ‘The Assault on Truth’ is an excellent read, and a welcome confession - but it left me with the feeling that all the problems he describes were obvious well before the Brexit vote. Now we are pretty much up the creek without a paddle, as there’s no guarantee the EU will welcome us back either for full membership or for participation in the Single Market. They will also be fearful that a Braverman/Badenoch led Tory party might one day come back from the shadows.
Why do politicians especially Keir Starmer avoid talking about Brexit? Maybe because the press will rip them to shreds!
I hate Brexit, I despise the Brexiteers but I respect Mr Oborne for his honesty.
Mr. Honesty still says that "there were lies told on both sides". What lies did the Remain camp told exactly??
I despise any remainer.Being labelled a xenophobe,racist and thick as mince for voting Brexit, by many remainers, only reinforces my loathing of them.
Doesn't cost Osborne anything to now change his tune at the eve of a Labour government. It is costing everyone else heaps.
@@rwo5402 That isn't fair. He wrote a book detailing every lie Boris Johnson told up to the date of publication. He has been forthright in his condemnation of the Brexit cabal and their dishonesty.
“Mistakes are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them.” - Bruce Lee
@@TruthWillOut-hb9vc I agree with you that mistakes are forgivable but mistakes of that magnitude perpetrated in light of lies that won't even hold up to common sense are unforgivable. Sorry.... He's a dollar short and a day late with his contrition. Also his belated courage doesn't cost him anything (he even published a book to make money of it) so it doesn't take much courage to own up.
He’s at peace for owning up to making a massive mistake but hey, if half the people who did the same thing follow him, then we should be back to a good place. I’m sick of division let’s just reconcile and let the people who can fix things get back into power.
Indeed we just need to agree that rejoin is the only way forward!
The Financial Times had an article in May 2017 where they had counted the agreements UK left when Brexiting. There were 759 different agreements signed by the EU on behalf of the member states with 168 countries. 295 concerned trade, 69 fisheries, 65 transport, 49 customs and 45 nuclear issues.
Today, 7 years later there are quite a lot more. The EU acquis communitaire is growing by approximately some 5000 pages every year. How will anyone be able to start "fixing or undoing brexit"?
It is already quite obvious that UK will not get the same agreements from former trading parners it had as a member of EU. Neither Canada nor Japan have agreed to expand quotas for imports of various products that UK exports. When UK left EU the quotas it had remained in EU, it was after all the EU commission that negotiated the agreements on behalf of all member countries, and those quotas were then split up between the remaining 27 members. They got a brexit benefit.
The delusion brexiteers had was that somehow former tradepartners would queue up to sign new better trade agreements with a single ecomomy with a population of some 68 million that just left a union with a remaining population of some 460 million people with the majority of the advanced economies in the world in it.
We get you, totally get you, but we have to start with people being honest with themselves and starting over. Your points will be dealt with after that, it’s the only way forward
@@boba2783 And it is so easy when you lost your job because your company lost all the trade with the EU and now the rich Brexiteer tells you he might have been wrong but you should get a new job already, you lazy bum. Welcome to your "good place"
@@lizwebstersbf The UK electorate never voted to join the EU in the first place.
Whatever he says, rejoining is not possible. The UK will have to make a new application - will take 20 to 30 years. The consequences of brexit were foreseeable - and there were a lot of warnings.
'Starmer Will Reverse Brexit By Stealth' - great, he's got my vote then!
Least he's got the Cojones to admit his mistakes.
If you're gullible enough to believe it. Looks more like the usual opportunism to me.
Not a mea culpa more a oops.
Listen carefully. He liked May's deal. He is basically saying "this is not the Brexit I voted for".
I live in Ireland and the Euro is awesome so dud is still wrong.
Apart from Liz I don’t hear farmers asking to rejoin or with the EU flag on the demos.
It takes a good character and intelligence to admit you are wrong. No politician has either.
He's not complaining because his decision was fundamentally wrong, he's complaining because it didn't work out for the british side.
Greetings from germany, stay where you are.
I'm so sorry please let me come back !
@@annettehadley9718 You, personally, are welcome to come back any time you want. The UK however, will be welcomed back as soon as the collective mindset has changed and trust has been restored. Both will take some time. I already see some small movements here and there in the right direction, so I am sure the UK will get there, eventually.
@@AlexGys9 the king of the EU has spoken! 😅
@@Purple_flower09 Nah, I kind of like the pompous theatrics of the British royal traditions. For all I care, they can be the monarchy of the EU.
@@AlexGys9 Thank you Alex X
I dont care who reverses it but it better be done bloody quick...before things start to get dangerous..
There is no reverse, all your previous perks and opt outs are gone forever.
@@SirAntoniousBlock amen
Not only won't there be a reversal for a long time, but when/if it comes it will be to conditions dictated by the EU not Britain. The EU always had leverage over Britain because the Tories never negotiated honestly with the EU.
Before the entitled Gammonry get the go-ahead for their longed-for genocide, you mean?
Oborne has produced some excellent jounalism since he had an awakening on the the truth of the disaster that brexit is.
Thank you for having the courage to say publicly that you were wrong. And welcome to the campaign to get the UK back in. Return can and should be a political movement that cuts across the political spectrum and once again thank you and welcome on board.
Whilst I agree with the gist of your argument, I doubt you'll get him to join the ever-closer union. His solution is having the cake and eating it, i.e. membership benefits without membership. That is not on offer.
I’m surprised that such a supposedly intelligent person could not see what was coming, being that in the first point there was no clear and concise plan, the fact that we just going to leave and everything was just going to fall into place was absurd at best and completely bonkers at worse!
I don’t regard myself as being super smart by any means, but my god I could see the insanity of this a mile off!
By stealth, that would be hard. The EU want's to see the public push for membership, and they wanna see all Brexiteer out of the Parliament. Starmer have said, that it joining won't in he's time. He's time? As Labour leader or alive? He knows it will take a very long time, so he won't sneak anything in.
I don’t think he means full membership. He means pivoting back to a form of transition reality I think.
@@lizwebstersbf We can hope.
@@lizwebstersbf And what would Starmer give the EU? I follow such Brexit talks with interest, what is always missing is the question: what would the UK offer the EU? Pick one: a) regulatory superiority (like Turkey gave the EU for being in the Customs Union), b) freedom of movement, c) singe currency, d) Schengen, e) being subject to the ECJ, f) domestic superiority (like Norway gave the EU for being in the Single Market).
Exactly. There needs to be a long steady rolling back of all the antiEU nonsense that’s taken root. Starmer will hopefully make a start, and voices such as Liz will help. I’m a lot younger than Mr Patton but don’t expect anything but a limited move closer to EU membership in my lifetime.
@@holz_namewhat we give them is the second biggest economy in Europe and the sixth biggest in the world. It’s still the best thing for both parties if we have free trade.
One of the many problems about political discourse is that politicians will not own up to their errors, hence Brexit will remain the enormous elephant in the room and be totally invisible to political leaders, especially during election campaigns.
Shame it took him this long, I would say I was mildly EU skeptic before the ref but decided to look into it before the vote and took a long hard look at the clowns pushing for it.
Yeah I wasn’t going anywhere near that **** show and glad I voted remain.
I can forgive Peter Oborne. I would be interested to hear why he was seduced by these evil charlatans.
Because he not too bright but thinks his private education gives him insite.
Exceptionalism is still there so no. Also he doesn’t understand the reason why the UK will stay out. You see here he still thinks that EU needs to bend and let the UK to come back. He doesn’t understand that it is the UK that needs to clean their 💩 alone. UK doesn’t go anywhere before it is house trained.
His own arrogance and sense of superiority seduced him.
He is one of the evil charlatans.
@@grahamthomson6969The english love people like him. That's why they are in the shit today
Labour, not Starmer, will do the only logical thing it can do. We can't rejoin, there is no consensus for that, so we are excluded from the SM & CU, This leaves only one other option. That is to negotiate under EFTA rules for access to the single market of Europe and for that The labour party can do it without even speaking to the commons on the matter and they don't need any form of mandate either. its a trade agreement and governments generate them all the time. Is this the route back to the EU, not really, but it does open doors that could lead that way eventually.
Ok, do a little homework then:
Which countries already denied the idea of UK membership in EFTA?
In which year did that happen?
Why where they so adamant not to have the UK in EFTA ?
Of course i could just tell you , but it will stick better if you do the research yourself , especialy as you cant just ignore it then.
We all await your answers.
I'm having a conversation with a person who thinks Brexit is stupendous. Singapore has a GDP of 400 billion. I have pointed out to him that we are a service sector economy. What are we going to sell Singapore? Cars? What are we going to sell Australia? Lawyers? What about Canada? Are we going to be selling them Doctors? Farmers? Scientists?
Fair play to Peter. He got it wrong and put his hand up. Why can't the rest do likewise ?
I think that it is fine to express wishes, but both EU27 and the Commission have politely indicated that GB is not going to have any special treatment or be allowed to use stealth (that WTO would outlaw anyway) or allow any changes to the current hard brexit. This is why the Lib Dems and Labour are not going to mention a mess that Brits voted for.
British farming has lost its way: its fields and the country's rivers are polluted with pig swill, pesticides and fertilisers.
A million kids with ADHD and mental disorders (on benefits) and more with food allergies should start to even worry even the most conceited brexiters.
GB is also exposed to hormoned beef imports from Australia (and cannot oppose them). The farming industry itself has reputational damage that GB has forgotten but no one else in Europe has (mad cow...).
The dairy industry also copies protected regional names (Suffolk brie etc) to try to shift its wares: this is illegal (and not as good as the real thing that is NLA in brexitland).
The only way out now is for many years of brexit misery and a complete change in public opinion. Brits are far too proud and pompous (we want to keep the GB peso and tax free money laundering for criminals etc) to be able to leave the brexit in the next generation.
The best way forward might be to apologise for 8 years of xenophobia.
Other nice steps would be organic farming throughout GB, reopen free movement, provide free University education for all (with compulsory languages as an entry standard), and rejoin Erasmus.
The British need to do more than apologise, what about the years wasted on Brexit, the billions of euros
spent unnecessarily and the anxiety that the EU might be damaged by Britain leaving.
That will not be forgotten by the people in the EU too easily.
It needs reversing ASAP!
Thanks Liz a good video
Lets have some more honest people?
Too many folk arent humble enough to revisit their perceived mistakes . Hats off to Oborn
Yeah, it'll be so stealthy that even the EU won't know about it. They can't, because they have pretty clear non-negotiable requirements which must be met before a country can even apply. And if these are fulfilled, the European Council then holds a vote. If a single country says no, the application process is ended and the applicant has no chance of joining.
So yeah, Starmer will have to be very stealthy indeed.
Norway style arrangements would be a first step.
@@rogerphelps9939 Norway is of course in the EFTA, it does not have a "special arrangement". And the EFTA, in fact via the Norwegian Prime MInister, made an official, public statement not once, but twice, that the UK will not be allowed to join the EFTA.
End of story.
Living in a area which has a mp who was a member of the ERP , I see the damage this has caused at first hand daily
We have no benefit of Brexit he might as well reverse it ..
We never got the brexit we were sold. Disgusted by many UK politicians, that also goes for Euro politicians too..
I get the feeling private equity vultures will be circling over a lot of land which may soon be on the market
The EU will never let the UK joint the €
Because the EU will nevr underwrite the UK massive det.
Great video Liz.
That nonsense about the Euro, which isn't a nightmare.
Brexit was largely blocked in practice by powerful establishment forces who supported remain. We will never know if it could have worked if these forces had not done what they did.
'Starmer Will Reverse Brexit By Stealth'
No he won't, for the simple reason it isn't up to him, it's up to the EU.
I hate the expression joining by stealth. Decent people knock at the door and friends or wannabe friends enter though the front entrance!
An irony is that the inevitable rejoining will certainly be accompanied by adoption of the Euro.