1975 16mm Machine Shop Educational Film - THE TOOLMAKER'S ART
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I was recently given dozens of old 16mm films that were rescued from the dumpster of a local college many years ago, all dealing with machine shop topics, ie training, etc. Scanning them is a laborious process, so I'm only going to do a few of them. I will most likely be passing these films along to an archive rather than tackling them myself, but maybe I'll do a couple more of them.
Scanned with my Moviestuff Retroscan Universal. - Авто та транспорт
"The toolmaker's job is never dull" is the best unintended pun in the video
..pero es totalmente cierto... yo siempre estoy fabricando diferentes cosas.
These crusty old toolmakers vividly remind me of the men who so deftly shaped my skills as a young apprentice. And now...some forty years later, I too, am that crusty old toolmaker. This is the best YT video on my era of the trade. Thank you for sharing this.
I resemble that crusty remark. I never got a chance to be an apprentice. Learned on my own and the school of hard knocks. I remember when NC was just getting started. Best years of my life.
@@tommycarver8781 Same here Tommy. Took me 15 years to get my trade certificate. 😅
I used to work with a whole posse of Mr Crusties, I was often impressed with their skills.
YOU and ME Both my "crusty" old Friend !! : )) Been a FUN Ride Hasn't it ?? Cheers !!!!
You are so old that you have forgotten your real name!
This is a good example of the importance of young people finding mentors throughout life.
Take a look around, and you will see that NOTHING in the modern world is possible without skilled toolmakers and machinists.....nothing. A machinist had his hands in the making of everything, from the machines that make the machines that make the tools to make the stuff we use every day.
Very good point. I realized when I started watching Abom79's UA-cam channel (and if you care about machining at all, you should) just how critical machinists are to the modern world.
Thank you, I’ve been saying that for years, with blank stares coming back.
It's amazing. I only opened my eyes to that fact a couple years ago when I started learning
Ai will never replace them.👍💪🇺🇸
I own a machine shop here in Indianapolis. I give tours to customers and potential customers quite a bit. I always start with telling them that every single thing that is man-made starts with a machinist and a machine tool. Just like you, I get blank stairs, some people nod their head and then some people realize it for the first time.
I apprenticed under a very patient and brilliant Croatian toolmaker who along with his brother and two other machinists from the former Yugoslavia, defected from East Germany in 1969 to end up in Canada. Been in the trade for 37 years and owe a lot to those men.
I served my time as a toolmaker in Scotland starting 1978, this is a great film. Brings back many memories. I moved to tool design like the film says, and then mould and pattern design. For the skills we had/have, I don't think we were ever paid enough or valued enough, not in Scotland anyway. I've retired now but I would do it all again. Great film.
Engineering has been so undervalued in the U.K. for decades......unlike Germany who really appreciate their skills.
machinists were making good money back then eh?
they make sh t right now
I knew a few that had apprenticeships with Anderson Boyes (Mavor) Motherwell, they took in loads of apprentices back if the 50s/60s each year. I think they produced coal mining machinery.
@@fredrezfield1629 They couldn't unionize like teachers. Employers just move to Mexico or India.
I always like the posed scenes of folks at drafting boards discussing a design. There was an old Porterfield joke (single panel cartoon joke that used to be in the papers) where and executive is showing a visitor their design area and three fellows are immaculately dressed in ties around a drafting board obviously discussing a design. They are very neat and Ivy League looking, and I think one of them was even smoking pipe. The executive says, "That's our design team image. Our actual design team is back there." Through a doorway you see three other guys, hair messed up, no ties, wrinkled shirts, crumpled pieces of paper here and there, obviously frustrated and stressed.
where I worked in the 70's there were 7 die designers and one boss. One of the sales guys would bring customers through the design dept and would say "this is our cartoon dept"
Most of the apprentices in the clip are probably retired. All in all toolmaking is one of the necessary vocations of our modern society.
I sure wish I'd seen this in high school.
Me too !!!
I love the guy who started the company that has 26 employees because he also has a 5" wide tie. Fantastic as always, Peahix!
That tie is pretty funny. I remember how out of style narrow ties were back then. OMG.
That was probably a 5.0000 tie, +/- .0005…
Omg, I noticed the tie and couldn’t stop looking at it,,,,,,
Looks like a Buick 4-door type.
A precision "Toolmaker is extremely stressful demanding job, and requires paitents, acquired skill, knowledge, you never stop learning, and requires a high degree of concentration on the job, an ability to feel, visualise what you are doing and what you are going to do, not to mention very expensive trade. A good Toolmaker will see the flaw in just about everything ever made even when it's made the best it can be.
This is quite the nostalgic film for me. I was 21 years old in 1975, just starting out in the tool room of a zinc die casting company under the tutelage of long dead die makers. The tool and die industry back then was still riding the wave of the post war heyday that, in north New Jersey anyway, seemed to field both small and large shops everywhere that all had plenty of work. That certainly changed over the next 30 years as many faded away with the economic downturns. I stayed in it, eventually getting into 3D tooling and product design. My how times have changed!
The NY tri-state area was a manufacturing powerhouse back then. Look at the plants that were once in north Jersey alone, all those big places drove the small shops. Today we make much more with much less but all the big places are dust today...
I share you nostalgic feeling, In 1977 I started working for Boeing in Auburn WA. My fist job wasa manufacturing helper. I worked up to a Tooling Inspewctor by '79. I recognized serveral of the machines shown in this film, including the gage tools. Boeing had a jig bore with a 12 foot reach. Being a young upstart guy of 24, I would always upset the tool maker after he sold his hold locations to me because I would puill out my tape measure just to double check his math. Then one day I found a hole that was exactly (within .002) 1 inch off. He quickly wipped out his tape measure and agreed the hole was off. From then on we got along great.
@@jimpalmer1969 Yes, there's something about finding a mistake in the master's work. Eventually I had a bunch of young ducklings working for me. It was rare, but some of them found ways to improve my work. It was a delight to share my best work with the team and to make substantial improvements with them. When I left the company, I knew the standards and practices would carry them a long time. They seem to be doing well.
What hurt the most was seeing everything moving off shore.
It didn't matter how good you were.
Now retired you see the mess you are in. From letting industry leave our country.
Those ceo pray to the all mighty dollar.
Try "Finding" a SKILLED Toolmaker or Even a Skilled Machinist TODAY ...... I retired 8 years ago and my Old company wishes me to Return !! lol
No matter how many computers you throw at the problem, you still need people to make the actual parts. I love the old refrigerator and candy machine in the break room at 13:20.
Ashtray, too!
Wow. That brings back memories. I am a proud graduate of the National Tool, Die, and Precision Machining Institute. That was in 1979, in Dallas. I went to work after that at Standard Manufacturing, which was still populated heavily with WWII vintage machinists. Thanks!
OUTSTANDING, YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE to young and old with these type films being presented.....thanks yo so much, Paul
This film was made at the apex of the carburetor era. Computer controls and sensors changed the auto industry, but mechanical "computers" like carburetors are engineering marvels.
I got my first shop job in 1980 and worked with punched paper tape on an NC machine. I quickly learned to program and edit G code with a teletype. The rest is my history.
I could watch videos like this all day long!!!
I'm a retired tool&die maker started in 1968 in some areas tool makers are respected in most factories corporate sees use as a necessary evil that they have to pay a little higher wage to its been my experience that every die or mold that comes thru the shop was at least 6 wks behind before we even got the prints for it. All in all it was a rewarding career except for all the overtime 12 to 14 hr days and beyond
I started my career as a machinist for a large multi national gear manufacturing company. I learned from the best German and American tool makers and machinists. I worked in this field for 6 years before earning my ME degree at night school and continuing as a design engineer in companies as diverse as business equipment and medical equipment. The foundation knowledge I learned as a machinist was put to use every day on every job. I knew exactly how all the various components could be manufactured, material and finishing knowledge and design for assembly methods. This gave me an incredible range of opportunities in my career for over 40 years. It all started with the smell of cutting oil in the shop...
An Engineering ME degree and a journeyman card in the trade are a one two punch to being at the top of your game and a leader in any given industry..
... Unlike today when students step out of college and know everything apart from what handles are for on a Bridgeport 😂
@@rustandoil Sadly, true.
I was just starting year 2 of my gage making apprenticeship when this film came out. Oh the good ol days.
Good to know I'm not the only one that doesn't use the friction thimbles on micrometers.
I've never used those either.
Finished my 5 year apprenticeship program with the Tool & Die Institute in Chicago in 1975. At that time the Tool & Die Institute circulated a pamphlet that claimed that a T&D maker earned more money in his lifetime than a doctor. Some real voodoo economics there.
This is a superb video. It’s the way I earned my journeyman card as a Tool and Die Maker having trained directly under my father for nine years in our own machine shop. I learned to become a designer and builder of so many different types of stamping, machining, fixturing, sawing, welding, extruding… honestly I’ve learned more than I can remember.. and I’m still doing it everyday 42 years later. This video is the way it used to be. It is now a push button machinist world with a programmer and set up person. The old 4 year apprenticeship schools are dwindling. Colleges now offer 2 year Tech degrees and turn out mostly idiots that can’t really use manual equipment without hurting themselves. I love this video.. these are the types of individuals that were a huge part of the industrial revolution.. I’m proud to still be learning my trade today and my learning process will end when they put me in the morgue.
I served my toolmaking apprenticeship in the late 1970's in London UK. I still use some of the bench tools I made back then. Great trade that has served me well in may careers.
Ahhh.... Flairs, just what a machine shop needs ;)
This SOOOOO reminds me of my role at Gestetner Ltd, Tottenham Hale in London from 1974 - 1980, of which the last 18 months were in the D/O. The guys in there were JUST as these fellas. Good memories! thank you 'Big G' - you are sorely missed.
This warms my heart so much watching these old vids, just like the ones we had to watch for training during my apprenticeship.
LOVE IT.
The same video but showing British toolmaking would be equally facinating.. 👍🏻
I started my Toolmaker apprenticeship in 1974 just as the EDM they showed here was introduced to where I worked. It along with computer aided machines was at the cutting edge. This took me right back to a time and place of when I started out on my trade journey. Thanks for the memory’s 👍😊
Are you retired now?
Thank you for posting this. I really enjoyed it.
I enjoyed this video immensely. Thank you for posting it.
Started serving my time in 1963 as a student apprentice four days in the toolroom and 1 day at further education per week five years of training and learning great times loved the trade why is it young people today shun the trade skills
Served my time as a toolmaker from 1979 to 1984....The skilled men not only taught me practical skills they shaped me as the person I am today......my time in engineering enables me to tackle any challenge with confidence and I have thoroughly enjoyed passing on my skills during 20 years as a D&T teacher. It never fails to bring a smile to my face when I tell the story of a pupil who told me that before I joined the school all he was ever taught was how to pass exams.
This is great. Takes me back to my early working years.
We need to preserve these as much as we can. Thank you for your efforts.
Great vid brings back memories when I started out as a tool and die maker👍🏻👍🏻
Always enjoy thrse type of videos. Things made good and lasting...
I love these old school videos. Right to the point. I feel like I recognize that narrator.
Such gorgeous film footage, incredible. I think the 70's were the zenith of shooting on film stock. Thanks for uploading :)
Nice work. Film preservation is very important.
My dads old Kennedy tool box is as old if not older than this video. Built stronger than anything out there.
The most fun part is reading and decoding the film leader
Amazing film thanks for sharing!
I still work on old nc machines like these, keep them going,SHW mill,TOS horizontal,Matsura...etc etc.Hard to work on some of them.
6:34 ahh the spread bore carb. My 73 chrysler t&c wagon had a 440 with one and it was awesome. A joy around town and 18mpg on the freeway!
My 72 got about 9mph on the highway 440 interceptor duel pump holly..
Thanks for posting this great film. They skipped over my favorite: the "upsetting" machine.
Fond memories of the Jig Borers Bothwell road Hamilton 60s 70s visiting my father during school holidays. I served my time as a multi coded pipe welder construction North Sea 👍🏴
As a machinist I was excited to see this. It brought back some great old memories. It's time to get the vocational trades back into the schools. Things like appretiship and journeyman programs. Or when us old timers are gone there won't be anyone left.
My uncle and his father were excellent tool makers. Their job was highly exacting with precision that's hardly found today without the aid of computers and auto cad. Thanks unc!
RIP Mr. Richard Eister.
I never met a man who knew so much!
Fantastic documentary.proper engineering
As a high school machine shop teacher, I love these old videos
What high school still teaches machine shop?
Heating up a gage block in bare hands is not a good idea when calibrating a micrometre😀
That depends.
Primarily on if your gonna be measuring on the floor or in an inspection room.
If your on the floor, the parts probably gonna be warm from machining, so you want a warm block to calibrate from.
If your in a 70 degree inspection room where the parts have been sitting for a day to get final inspection then you want a cold block to calibrate from.
I’m not a machinist…I just have a lot of respect for the folks who make the tools that make everything else!
That was awesome. If you have more it should be saved for the future.
I went to work for a company out of college that had 2 Cincinatti tape machines. They were using these in manual mode. I asked where was the "type writer" that these came with. I programmed both for other employees to run. Then I was tasked to make custom cross slides. I asked them were is the J Head that came with their Bridgeport mill. It was buried in a back room. I showed them how to set it up and mill oil groves in the dovetails of the cross slides. I didn't stay there long as they had no maintenance program nor did they offer any training to speak of other than me training young dudes that had no ambition.
I retired at the age of 42 & I do miss working, hence watching others on YT do the work I used to do.
Great video thanks for sharing 👌 👍
I remember this from Jr. High School - I was 14 in 75'
The husband of a couple who were very close friends with my parents, was a 40+ year "Master Tool and Die Maker" with an engineering degree, who was basically any of the older guys you see in this...
Those eyebrows @14:41 are great! 😃
Thanks for the upload
The 70s `Easy Rider" look was strong here !
Looking at the part with the Fords, it seems almost unbelievable that those skinny, rickety looking little Model T's could possibly survive the primitive conditions in those days. It was a LOT colder then. Winters were horrible. And those little wooden spoked wheels just took the beating...or so it would seem.
It is also impressive that a line of presses and injection molding machines using molds and dies as shown in the video look pretty much the same now as they did then. A lot changes, but a lot does not.
Except, in 1975 we'd have watched this "movie" while listening to the clickety clatter of the projector sitting in the middle of the room.
Found this video randomly. Something about old 70s instructional videos that have a certain charm about them. I've also worked in a metal stamping factory like that
the quality is fantastic on the transfer....
Thanks! These films have faded to red, so getting all the colors back is pretty much impossible, but I do what I can.
@@peahix you've done a good job of it
I'm a home amateur but find such films and content helpful even at my skill level
Great piece of history! I didn't know that EDM was around back in '75, that surprised me!
I found a publication from 1954 advertising the new electric discharge machine. Maybe it wasn't used widespread right away.....just like any new technology usually takes a few years to catch on.
I am the same.
Although it wasn’t Americans who invented toolmaking.
Us Brits created the industrial revolution and that started the whole ball rolling.
Look at the history
You brits may have created it, but us Americans perfected it.
Great video.
This was my dad's job, - he pointed out the C.N.C aspect and pointed me towards computers... - I must have designed many things for people using silicon chips made by his press tools....
I probably saw this film in my high school vocational machine shop class when it was released. So I guess that makes me an old toolmaker now. Unfortunately, skills like this are almost extinct, at least in the United States. The young people today don’t want any part of learning a trade that requires working with your hands and getting them dirty.
Thanks.
Very nice look at the transition of manual machines into automated and then computer controlled automated machines. And some cool music too.
We're still in that transition.
The CNC's have just taken the lead.
I don't know if the manual machines will ever go away in the one off shops.
@@kkknotcool One-off, R&D, prototype, repair shops and hobby - manual will never go away.
It’s too bad we won’t see the journeyman machinist path as a very important way to follow anymore. It doesn’t really seem like it is sought after as much as it was back in the day. My company is putting me through school to be a journeyman, but most companies I talk to don’t really seem to be concerned whether you are or you aren’t. Hopefully we can put these apprenticeships back into schools, and bring the quality of our work higher
That Pulsar digital wristwatch with the red LEDs was the very first digital wristwatch I ever saw. It cost a whopping $700. at the time, an obvious luxury. My brother bought it. The wrist band contained small magnets, in a tiny compartment, which were used to adjust date and time, when placed in a corresponding slot on the back of the watch.
My Dad raised me in a gunsmith's shop and my "summer job" at age 16, was building parts for an old worn out turrent lathe, for a local machine shop. By the time I was 18, I had built enough parts to re-assemble it and then they gave me the job of running it in the job shop. I moved up as various schools became available. This was great until the president passed the OPEN TRADE AGREEMENT and made our industry share trade secrets with those in other countries. Tgat, in itself, shut down whole towns, that were built around manufacturing plants that had to shut down due to government laws! That was our country's downfall! It would take trillions of dollars to get back the status we had as a country out in front. Made in USA meant something! There was a lot of PRIDE that was IN EVERYTHING !!! Now we have large amounts of homeless!!!
That Moore jig-borer is a classic.
Thank you
That stone wall looked like different stone on top over the arch like possibly a repair.
But you may be right about the mortar/cement. I have been told that concrete as in side walks driveways and roads lasts 200 years. That it is a chemical reaction we know hardening for the first hundred years then deteriorating for the next hundred.
Listening to the testimonials from apprentices in manufacturing in 1975 is like watching a horror movie and knowing the murderer is in the closet. I’m trying to yell through the screen, look out! Asian manufacturing is right behind you! 😬
I’m half joking. A lot of the skilled machinists probably managed to navigate the changing manufacturing landscape. It was the production line workers that it hit the hardest but I’m sure it wasn’t easy for a lot of the machinists either.
Today the finished machine made for the American company is shipped or made overseas to where labor is "most competitive". US apprenticeship in trades is a great idea for any young person. You get to work in what you spent your time and effort learning. Most of the rest of the workforce can join the "gig" economy. Good luck. (That's an amazing film transfer BTW.)
Yeah.. I still remember when we used to make stuff. We made all kinds of stuff, most of it was pretty darn good, too.
Yeah, those were good times.
Wow! They sure got the beginning wrong. Eli Whitney was never able to make guns with interchangeable parts. They all had to be hand fitted in the end. The real award goes to Eli Terry who made wooden clocks. Between 1806 and 1809 he and two helpers (Silas Hoadley & Seth Thomas) made 4,000 wooden tall case clock movements from oak and cherry wood that were mass produced and had truly interchangeable parts. This was known as the Porter Contract from the Porter brothers who bought the finished product. Years later Terry designed a wooden mantle clock that was portable and was also mass produced with interchangeable parts. They are often called groaners from the noises they made sometimes in winding. The wooden gear clock they show as a one of a kind is actually the later mass produced groaner movement that WAS made with interchangeable parts!
My dad built custom pressure vessels for offshore oil platforms. Their machine shop was the dingiest, dirtiest, and seemingly disorganized place ever. I always wondered if the condition of the machine shop was a function of the type of manufacturing or a function of the owners of the company.
The key to this video is, your never to old to find a job and the skill sets are national and global. The demand will always be high along with pay and benifits. Metal Spinners Rule :-)
sounds like an interesting job
Thank god plaid pants are pretty much gone.
Mixed feelings watching this.
Same here.
Great video but they picked the wrong clock at the beginning, that's an Eli Terry Jr. or something very close to it. They were Mass produced in the 1850s. No known American clock/watch maker ever made them one at a time. Henry Ford came up with the assembly line for cars after touring the Waltham watch factory. Many clock and watch makers were making jigs and fixtures well before Eli Whitney.
The comment that the guy wanted to close the patent office because he believed everything had been invented is actually a myth.
Some of the background music was bananas
Hey ....I am one of those crusty guys, but retired now. The World no longer needs that type of toolmaker as computer-run equipment has taken much of the old fashioned skills away.
This needs to be taught in our high schools
It's so interesting to see the history of my trade. Been a progressive toolmaker for 15 years now
I miss engineering. No shops left in London where I live.
I was a toolmaker at Garrards Swindon Wiltshire UK
I’m a jig builder for Boeing so the stuff I work on is usually 100ft long and 100,000 pounds. Die makers are a whole other level if they aren’t doing it on CNC.
My father was a Journeyman Maintenance Machinist
They had to zoom out to fit his tie in the frame. I'm looking forward to this style of tie returning to fashion. Any day now...
I think you will find the British were at it long before Whitney
Toolmaking …….”The world’s second oldest profession”