Back in the 50's when I was In High School I worked for Ricker Motors in Whittier, Nash Dealer. My dad bought a new 56 Ambassador which we picked up at the factory,, We Kept the 51 Aero and my grandfathers 54, I learned to drive on that car. Then a 57 with the then new 327. Mike sold the 57 Rambler Rebels with the 327- fast car. In 1960 I got a new Rambler American with the 195.6 flathead with overdrive and 4:11 gears and positraction. It soon got the dual Carter carburetor aluminum head from the Nash Statesman. The Flathead had downdraft carbs and the 56 Nash had essentially the same carbs sidedraft called the Lemans Motor, same motor used in the Nash-Healy sport car. Bullett proof motors were Nash My brother got a 61 with the OHV, OD and 3.31 gears and a continental kit. Mine was quicker his got a very little better mileage. I converted my T-96 trans with the "TAXI" package to the stronger T-86 trans. I later put an Aluminum motor in my 60, had to notch for the oil pump but otherwise. a bolt in. Sold the flathead to a collector. Later I tried to find a two carb head< remember the intake is in the block, I had to go to Stack Autowrecking in Petaluma to find one. 60 got wrecked to the AL engine ended up ended up in a Rambler
@@What.its.like. We ran The Mobilegas economy run with a Rambler flathead, OD trans tall gears, adjusters removed from the brakes, narrow 4" Wheels with narrow tires and high pressure If you coasted over a hill at let than 28 mph the car would freewheel all the way down, you could shut off the motor, short shifting like todays automatics minimize pumping losses The manifold in the block allowed running lean, block the radiator all the tricks, gut the interior to save weight. We did not win but came close Mechanix Illustrated and Tom McCahill
Love it! I'm a tech guy and I love hearing about how things work. Because they are a bit different than the Big 3's cars, I was interested. Back during the summer of 1973, I worked at a Shell gas station. This was back in the day that we wore Shell uniforms with bow ties. When a car would come in and buy as little as a gallon or two of gas, we had to check all the tire pressures, including the spare if the owner would allow us in the trunk. We washed all the windows and outside mirrors, if the owner wanted us to we would also wash the rear view mirror. Then, we'd check under the hood, all the fluids and filters. Well, one time a Rambler came in, maybe a '63 or '64, and when I opened the hood, lo and behold, it had a flathead 6, and it wasn't a Rambler American either. I'd never seen a flathead engine in a U.S. car that new! One of the cool AMC's of the past was the Nash-Healy. The Nash part was the big OHV Ambassador engine. I think the first N-H's were in 1952 and lasted until 1955. Clark Kent drove one in the original Superman TV show. Clark Kent/Superman was played by actor George Reeves. The N-H was his own car. Ramblers were featured in the show for maybe the first 3 seasons? OK, OHV engines. Chevrolet always had OHV engines and never a flathead. These engines were strange to me. They had a valve cover but it was larger than the cylinder head. In the overhang side, the push rods were exposed and open to the air! AMC taught the world how to build an OHV inline 6. Probably, it's crowning achievement was the 4L inline 6 used in Jeeps. The last ones made close to 190 net hp! That's V8 power!
Shell - -Richfield guy here (before it became ARCO) before you. How's your "TCP" we used to call it Tom Cat Piss. We wore regular ties that clipped on, came off easy if caught on something! Yep, good ole Clark Kent! In some episodes it was Lois Lane who had one.
@@richardwarren7492 Are's were brown clip-on bow ties. I might even still have it! I also kept the brown pin-striped shirts and brown slacks, and wore them out working on projects at home. Lois Lane usually drove the slide-back convertible Nash and sometimes Clark Kent drove it. George Reeves always seemed to like fancy cars and drove the Nash-Healey on the show after it was gifted to him by the woman he was having an affair with, who's husband was a movie producer thug(who probably killed George and staged it as a suicide). A suicide didn't seem appropriate as George was in talks about reviving the "Superman" series and George was really excited about it.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of that information as well as added insight sorry took so long to get back I’ve been buried in comments lol
@@automatedelectronics6062 At 75 I still enjoy the old Superman episodes. went through them all a couple of months ago. Yep, kept my old Richfield and ARCO uniforms until they died for working around house and car. Actually had an ARCO station for about 3 years - -
@@richardwarren7492 Are you Rick Warren, the minister and author? Yep. I bout the complete "Superman" DVD set years ago. Surprisingly, they had their eyes on syndication so shot the last seasons in color, as color TV was deemed to be taking over. I remember watching "Superman" in the 1960's and all episodes were being shown in B&W. One day, one episode was in color for a few seconds. Not knowing the series history at that point, I called the TV station and asked about it. They told me that they had inadvertently left the hue button on after a commercial. Ha! lol, now!
Both of my grandfathers had a Rambler with this engine, one a 1960 and one a 1961. Neither car ever had head gasket problems or had to have the head retorqued. Maybe by that time they had figured out that problem. Both cars went over 100 thousand miles and the engine wasn't the problem.
Sweet =) i’m a huge Nash Van I will have the early ramblers from 50 to 53 for all of them had a flat head I don’t know if it was the 196 it would’ve been a 180 for 172.6.. the two door wagon is where it’s at, I can’t believe how rare those are now I’ve only seen a handful of them and out of the ones that I seen only one of them was stock the rest of them had 350 V8 in a custom interior I’m not for that I don’t mind an engine swap but it doesn’t need Crager SS wheels with bucket seats it kind of ruins it
None smoother!...My mechanic looked forward to doing the annual tune-up on my 59American flat six...He enjoyed test-driving it after tuning it up...He swore it was the smoothest, sweetest-running car he had ever driven. I could not argue!
There were two larger Nash inline sixes, both OHV, 235-cubic inches and 253-cubic inches. These could be had with a single carburetor, or dual carbs named the "LeMans Dual Jetfire" engine. In this state of tune, the smaller engine put out 125-horsepower, while the larger one put out 140-horsepower. Along with the Ambassador line, these engines were also found in the Nash-Healey sports car.
Yes that was my point why didn’t they just use one of those engines instead of converting the 196 overhead valve.. I want to do an episode on those two by tracing back that information was really hard it got to a point where I couldn’t tell what engine was in the ambassador I really want to do an episode on the original overhead valve six that Nash made in 1925 through 1930 and then it was eventually replaced with an overhead valve in line 8 the six cylinder had seven main bearings the eight cylinder had nine.. those engines seem at least on paper absolutely magical and I wanna know why they didn’t live on..
@@What.its.like. It's likely those engines were too long, even for the Statesman body, and the Rambler had less space than that. Nash was more interested in fuel economy at that time, for everything but the Ambassador.
Cool post Thanks ! I had a 74 Gremlin , $2500.00 price new, with a 232 and it was OK for one hundred thousand miles after ten years then everything broke at once. Super simple cheap car.
I’ve heard those engines are bulletproof and they didn’t require the maintenance that the 196 did it was all going to be part of one episode but I figured this engine is really different than those engines it kind of bridges the gap one day I wanna go back and do all the overhead valve engines from the beginning problem is that I couldn’t find any information on a lot of those engines on the Internet so I have to find a library that has that information. =)
Overall great video! Two things: someone already pointed out that the 195.6 flat-head and OHV were both available in 1965 Americans (only). The other thing is you mention that not torquing the head bolts periodically (every 8-10K miles) can lead to head gasket leaking (which usually manifests as running hot), and running hot can lead to head warping. It also leads to head CRACKING -- and good heads are getting hard to find. They crack due to age and running hot, having usually been run hot several times, much due to not torquing the head as well as cooling issues (clogged/old radiator, etc.). You don't have to follow the head bolt tightening sequence when torquing unless the head has been off (all bolts loosened). Just set a click torque wrench to 62 ft/lbs and pull on each head bolt in any order. A couple may turn as much as a half turn (or a little more), some will click immediately, and some 1/4 turn or less.
Thank you so much for adding all of that information that overhead valve engine doesn’t like to get hot I’ve done a couple episodes with cross country Rambler wagons and that’s what the owners all told me is if you let the engine get hot bad stuff happens.. but that engine will run forever if properly maintained it just requires a lot of periodic maintenance which leads me to believe the Flathead was the better design because you didn’t have to re-torque the head every so often =) Thanks again for all the information =)
The OHV 195.6 was offered in 1965, and was standard on the American Hardtop, the flathead being standard on the American for other body styles. The new 232 was an option in the 1965 American, but you couldn't get it with air conditioning becase the new engine was longer and there was no room for the condenser coil. That's one of the reasons that the nose on the American grew 4 inches for 1966.
I thought they were some people I guess didn’t see it I guess that was going to be a one time thing a lot of people don’t like it but I’m glad you dig =) Do you want to do at least at least try to do one engine episode a week maybe every other week when the base gets bigger we’re gonna start diving into people as well Designers and engineers people like Virgil Exner Alex tremulous dictating Bill Mitchell Harley earl list goes on and on
@@What.its.like. Great idea.The channel is all about automotive history, These designers and engineers stories should be heard!!! Flatheads are something hardly anyone covers and it's all fascinating!!! You have to remember these were drawn out on a drafting board, 🚫🚫 not a computer. If you screwed up you balled it up and threw it away,not just correct it in the computer CADD program and reprint it. My favorites are late 30's to early 50's . These gents were both Artists And Engineers!!! The product coming out today is boring and in my opinion JUNK???
I totally agree I miss when things were designed from Clay Born way to late el cord lived when I would have liked to live I think he died in 79 he saw it all horse and wagons boats trains cars planes and rockets
I really like all the old advertisements you put into your vides and like to read them by pausing but could you make sure they are in focus. Great vide very interesting . I am subscribed.
Awesome welcome to the car community I love the old vintage ads as well it’s one of my favorite thing about Classic Cars I just absolutely love the illustrations of the 50s 40s 30s partway through the 60s and then they went to this really contrast dark contrast it was weird I don’t know why they went that way but especially GM some of the weight 60 GM ads are almost unreadable because of the dark contrast they used what is cool to see what and how they advertise things back in the day. Some of the words and phrases used to is pretty awesome to see =)
Outstanding as always - thank you. Connections - might be fun to throw a twist in. Connections between/among cars and car makers. There were so many swaps of people (like you referenced with Charles Nash) in the automotive industry it could be fun. The same with cars, like Rolls Royce using GM Turbohydromatic transmissions. ~ Chuck
Glad you dig this episode more AMC six is coming next week the popular ones.. I was going to make it all one episode but dissension is vastly different than those so I figured I’d break it up I really want to cover the original Nash overhead valve six that came out in 1925 I just have to go to a library to find out more information about that one because there is no information on the Internet about it.. It was the one in the advertisement that said twin ignition I think it produced 60 hp And it came out four years before Chevy did.. it was replaced with an overhead valve in line 8 the six cylinder had seven main bearings just like the one AMC made to replace the 195.6.. The overhead valve in line 8 that replaced it had nine main bearings
I have one in my 49 Nash 600, it's no powerhouse moving that large body. A similar video you could make in future is how the Kaiser 226 flathead changed into the Jeep 230 Tornado ohc.
Awesome idea thank you so much for that =) I will add that to the engine list I made an engine list of engines that I would like to feature on this channel we might do an engine episode every other week or every week I’m not sure it takes a long time to put one of these together. I think a regular episode takes about eight hours they seem to take double because it takes time to find the advertisements in the pictures and everything else =)
@@What.its.like.thanks Jay, I am sure many people enjoy the old original sales pictures. I have bolted in a jeep 230 tornado engine in to my 53 Kaiser Manhattan but it still uses the oringnal 226 sump.
Awesome this channel mostly deals with the cars but I’m starting to find the need that some of the engines need talked about as well.. I’ve been tossing around the idea of perhaps doing maybe one new car a month there’s a couple new cars that I’m interested in if I had the chance to drive a Mustang GT 350 I would totally do that. I would be like in the very beginning we generally do Classic Cars we generally do machine but today we have an appliance I would probably lose half the audience right then and there when I say that but it’s true.. lol
Regarding that "special sequence" for torque on the head - every cylinder head has a sequence. Generally it's from the center to the outside. There are some execptions. If you look at the picture you put up - that's exactly how it works. When I worked as a mechanic early on, did quite a bit of Rambler work. I never (repeat. never) found one that needed a retorque. Think about it. ("check every 4,000 *how you going to check? Eh? With a torque wrench!) "Retorque every 8,000 miles" well you did that at 4,000 - - -. Also that recomendation wasn't that strange back in the day, not just Rambler.
Very good points.. I hit the jackpot with the service manual I was able to find a service manual for the overhead valve 196 I couldn’t find an owners manual for the flathead though it kept redirecting me to the overhead valve version.
I remember as a kid working at my dad's garage in the late '60s thinking how PRIMITIVE the Ramblers were ... flat-head sixes, "Lionel" brakes, and oh, they used GM/Delco distributors and Ford power steering pumps ... I wondered, "can't they make anything on their own"?
GM power steering. Ford power steering pumps had a dipstick where as Ramblers had a wingnut you removed and the whole top came off to check the level and the reason they used other manufactures components, is because being a small company it was cheaper for them to source those pieces than to set up and make it themselves Just trying to save money as they always did Everyone complained about this but when you went to the auto parts store, and asked for this part for your AMC you were given the part and you took it home, installed it and were good to go just like any other car. It is the same as people always said this or that engine was a Ford or Chevrolet or Mopar engine, I wish people would get it through their heads they always made their own six and v8 engines. Gen one were 250, 287, and 327 cu in, And their 327 was in their cars years before Chevy had one, and it looks nothing like a GM 327. Gen two was 290, 343, 390 from1967-1969.Some people say those were available in late 1966 . Then in 1970 they were 304, 360, 401. They always were great running and strong on the performance side.
Did the early OHV Rambler engine have an aluminum cylinder head? I understand that engineering a reliable head gasket sealing ability and reliability of the head bolting system is a significant challenge when dissimilar metals are used in the cylinder block and the head. There may still be a slightly higher risk of head gasket leaking and failure on modern car engines with aluminum heads over iron blocks as compared to the old cast iron head on an iron block. Also I suspect that part of the "tune up" on an old iron block and head engine was to retorque or check that the head bolts were not loose. Might have still been occasionally recommended on the Chevrolet overhead valve 230 Six that was common into the early 1970s.
Only the 1950 "LeMans" OHV six (made for the Nash-Healey) used an aluminum head. There was a one or two year "LeMans" version of the 195.6 flat-head that used dual carbs that might have been aluminum -- I'd have to research that. There were head gasket issues on the aluminum block/iron head 195.6 OHV. Partly due to dissimilar metals, partly due to the overall design of the 195.6 OHV (thermal expansion/contraction of the iron head loosening head bolts over time, as mentioned in the video). The main "dissimilar metals" issue was the anti-freeze used in the early 60s. It wasn't aluminum friendly! Rambler people were usually a frugal lot and didn't like purchasing "special" anti-freeze from the dealer -- felt it was just a gimick by the dealer to get more money since that anti-freeze cost more than then standard anti-freeze. This lead to accelerated corrosion, especially at the head/block interface.
Jim Flournoy @@AMCMag the dual carb flathead was aluminum and proper antifreeze was essential especially for the AL block motor I think later OHV engines had hyd tappets, we did not have to adj valves on the 61 engine
Apparently there was a big change or an all new engine block sometime in the 1960s when the Chevrolet 235 six was replaced by the 230 six. Not sure the relation between the 230 and the smaller six used in some Nova cars or which was the ancestor of the 4 cylinder Nova engine or what eventually became the "Iron Duke" I think the 250 pickup truck engine was derived from the 230 and perhaps also the 292 inline six that was in some medium duty trucks
232 and 258 cid is the legendary jeep motor I believe The 196 predates it it doesn’t share anything with those engines it’s more or less bridges the gap between flat head and overhead valve
@@What.its.like. oh yes it does the early 199/232 and 252 Mexican motor used the same bellhousing pattern as the flathead. LAter 232-258 use a different pattern I still have a couple of early "TAXI" bellhousings to put a HD trans behind the earlier motors. AS an aside we built the STOCK (except pistons & rods) to 900 HP with a turbo on alky then 1200 HP with the factory making minor foundry tweeks to the head and block (thicker decks, early shaft rockers on later head)
Yes, the larger Nash OHV 6 was still in production for the first half of the 50's. I'll hazard a guess that the big 6, at 4.1 litres was anticipated to be rendered redundant by the V8 on the drawing board. But they still needed a small engine, so for that reason updated the flathead.
Great video Jay! AMC sure had to do more with less when developing that early overhead valve by converting a flathead. It sure looked like high maintenance. I think given the choice I would have went with the flathead for the easier service and durability.
The flathead 196 had issues with head gaskets and needed retorquing often! My parents had a 1960 Rambler American station wagon with the 196 OHV and never had the head torqued!
I got to drive a 62 last year AMC cross-country Rambler wagon with 196 overhead valve and I thought I had put plenty of pep.. A lot of people say that that car is under powered but it didn’t feel under power to me Karman Ghia that feels a bit under powered.. especially when you get at the bottom of the hill and you’re going slow.
In the American the 195.6 OHV is pretty good. The flat-head feels a little anemic in modern driving, the OHV adequate. When the OHV is in the bigger cars it's a different story. Ok around town due to lower gearing, not so much on the freeway.
@@AMCMag 60 American with 4:11 gears and dual carbs had plenty of power, up the grapevine in second overdrive or third you could put a switch to control the od just like a ford pickup
Glad you dig this episode =) I’m hiding out in the common section mileage may vary like maintenance on any other engine.. One person claimed that they didn’t re-torque head bolts and drove allegedly 100,000 miles without issue.. but I’ve heard horror stories from people who chose not to
hey, thanks a lot for your video, im currently restoring a 1947 ambassador and can´t find much info about it. i would love to know more from this 234cui
I’ll see what We can come up with =) i’m with you the ambassador line of engines for whatever reason gets swept under the rug it’s an engine no one talks about I would love to tackle it one day but I think I’ll need to go to the AACA library in order to do so because information is very spotty
Interesting article www.allpar.com/threads/nash-engines.229884/ www.hemmings.com/stories/article/notable-nashes-4 Here is a tread where people talk about the engine, scroll down until you see farana right below pistol farmer.. that’s a treasure trove of information whether or not it’s 100% accurate is another thing… it’s almost at the bottom of that thread so I guess you can just scroll the whole way down and then just scroll up a few and it’s right there They also use this engine in theHealy so if you found information on the Nash Healy may be a gave out engine specifications I can’t find one at the moment but if you can find a downloadable shop manual that would give explosive diagrams on everything parts numbers you have it.. are you looking for information on rebuilding the engine or just like history background information on this engine www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/nash-234-8-ohv-six-is-it-any-good.637682/
Nash also had an OHV straight eight, with 9 main bearings, from '32-40, only Packard also used 9 main bearings, on straight eights, during this period, and Packard used flatheads only, until they brought out their V8, in '55.
This isn’t a bad engine it just requires a lot of maintenance if you get the overhead valve version the flathead version I believe gave out better economy that was the economy engine the one that got 30 something miles to the gallon.. What gets me is the flat head design is said to be inefficient and yet it gets better fuel economy numbers than a lot of stuff that was on sale 10 years ago.. I personally think they need to bring back the Flathead forge the internals and add a turbo charger to it I bet you they could probably get 40 to 45 maybe even 50 miles to the gallon out of a flat head
Dude, u have no idea about what you are talking about. Not even in the stadium. The Nash straight sixes have NO business being EVEN mentioned with the Vega aluminum melt masters. As usual, the uninformed about Nash/AMC have no idea what they are talking about. Get a clue and do your homework. Here's a lesson: Vega - one of the worst cars in every manner in the history of GM. Good Lord...
@@What.its.like. never heard of a 242, 252 or 282 AMC six and I was an AMC parts man for years. In some foreign countries, Ramblers were assembled with non American Motors engines. P. S. Wikipedia is not always right!
242 sometimes called "4 litre" is the recently dropped "Powertech" six that was in many of the square unibody (XJ?) Jeep Cherokees and had a fuel injection system,I think it was also in the WJ Grand Cherokee from about 1999 thru 2004 model years some earlier Jeep Cherokees had Chevrolet Citation V6 engines,the new "PowerTech" six quickly made the Cherokee become much more popular. @@What.its.like.
That’s been my biggest argument forever we have all of this technology now and yet we can’t get any better gas mileage than they did back in the day. I would love to debate somebody on that issue.. I honestly think that they should bring back the flathead forge all the internals and turbo charge it because those engines naturally got low compression adding a turbo charger would bring it up to snuff, I was always told the flathead design was an inefficient engine but they got 32 miles to the gallon what was inefficient about that
@@What.its.like. As engine fuel management improved, there were two possible alternatives. 1. Keep performance modest and. improve gas mileage. 2 Keep gas mileage the same and improve performance. The later became the norm. Lately fuel milage has improved by downsizing the cars. Performance is king. One could accept lower performance and have the cars the size of yesteryear.
@@dougabbott8261 Id imagine those exist in foreign countries. They would have car bodies like we are used to. Their engines would be much smaller. Zero to 60 times would be similar to the Nash.
3:26 the OHV version did not make "up to 127 HP: it made up to 138 HP. Your comments with regard to maintenance on the flathead and OHV are waaaayyyyy off. the Flathead was far from bullet proof and in addition to oil changes and valve adjustment (which is pain in the ass), the flathead engine needed frequent attention to points and suffered frequent overheating and vapor lock. Your comments as regards the OHV have been debunked for more than 20 years. those of us in the field who actually work on these engines daily simply bypass the thermostat to solve half the issues. The remainder are addressed with head studs rather than bolts. Your commentsw with regard to heating this engine are also off. The overhead valve version of the engine can weather modest overheating just fine and is no more susceptible than is the chevy 230, 235, or 250 or the ford 144 170 or 200. Caveat here is that overheating can not be due to a lack of oil. your claim as to unforgiving is bogus. The head gasket does not "blow" from overheating, it becomes defective over time from the failure to torque the head or bypass the thermostat. And you are wrong about the end of production for the OHV. It was not 1964. In 1965 major changes to the 196 OHV were made resulting in a full flow oil filter and a bypassed thermostat and the engine was found in all Americans with air conditioning because the bracketry for AC would not fit under the American hood in the longer 232/199 block. Anyone who actually researched the topic would have found this as all the engines are in the TSM (Technical Serivce Manual for 65). I am guessing that your leaving my comments here for all to see will require character and eating a little humble pie. I am curious as to your appetite.
I’m an enthusiast not an expert thank you so much for all the information here is where I got the information en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_straight-6_engine www.ramblerlore.com/AMC/195.6ohv/index.html 1964 was the last year of aluminum block ohv 196, both the flathead and ohv were discontinued in 1965.. it’s been so long since doing this episode I can’t find all the sources Thank you so much for all the corrections It’s not about eating humble pie, I can admit when I’m wrong like I said i’m enthusiast not an expert, I’m not like one of these new car youtube reviewer that gets the information spoon fed to them I have to research and find the information and sometimes/a lot of times information on the internet is wrong.. so I appreciate the information you brought =)
@@What.its.like. Wikipedia is an unverified crowd contributed source that is often incorrect because "enthusiasts" like you who wont take responsibility for proper sourcing, contribute to the page. Even a 9th grader knows that they are not allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for research for that reason. Please do not cop out and call yourself an enthusiast as an excuse for not doing your homework. You are not as enthusiastic in seeking the truth as you are in making videos and hearing your own voice. what you produced is unfair to the engine and the car and the period in history and the enthusiasts in the hobby who need vetted authoritative information
It’s possible to correct and not be a total dick, everyone uses Wikipedia it wasn’t the only source used I made this episode months ago I will start posting references used in description so you could go after them instead of attacking me.
If you can’t tell besides an orphan car fan I’m in AMC fan but I like AMC from the 50s and 60s they kind of lost their way a little bit I love the eagle too =)
@@What.its.like. I liked AMC too, but some of the things they did were just crazy, or lazy. All spindles on an AMC unbolted. So you could put 70s car disc brakes on 50s-60s cars no problem, The twin stick three speed overdrive was a great idea, But the closed driveshaft rear end up until 64-65 not so great!
@danielulz1640 yes, thank you - correct. As am AMC enthusiast, I find that all the commentators and "experts" have NOT a clue about what they are talking about. 50 years on still haters and worse - amateur comedians. To your point, how's that BMW engine in the newest Supra doing?...
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Yeah buddy congratulations you got it and you were the first one to do so =)
That was fast! I was writing that when it came up. Congratulations
I stay in the comment section for at least five or 10 minutes to see if anybody gets name that tune for at least I try to.. =)
@@What.its.like. this song is real popular at car shows for some reason. It hit me right away when it was played.
Awesome !
Back in the 50's when I was In High School I worked for Ricker Motors in Whittier, Nash Dealer. My dad bought a new 56 Ambassador which we picked up at the factory,, We Kept the 51 Aero and my grandfathers 54, I learned to drive on that car. Then a 57 with the then new 327. Mike sold the 57 Rambler Rebels with the 327- fast car. In 1960 I got a new Rambler American with the 195.6 flathead with overdrive and 4:11 gears and positraction. It soon got the dual Carter carburetor aluminum head from the Nash Statesman. The Flathead had downdraft carbs and the 56 Nash had essentially the same carbs sidedraft called the Lemans Motor, same motor used in the Nash-Healy sport car. Bullett proof motors were Nash
My brother got a 61 with the OHV, OD and 3.31 gears and a continental kit. Mine was quicker his got a very little better mileage. I converted my T-96 trans with the "TAXI" package to the stronger T-86 trans.
I later put an Aluminum motor in my 60, had to notch for the oil pump but otherwise. a bolt in. Sold the flathead to a collector. Later I tried to find a two carb head< remember the intake is in the block, I had to go to Stack Autowrecking in Petaluma to find one. 60 got wrecked to the AL engine ended up ended up in a Rambler
Awesome stories thank you so much for sharing those memories with us =)
@@What.its.like. We ran The Mobilegas economy run with a Rambler flathead, OD trans tall gears, adjusters removed from the brakes, narrow 4" Wheels with narrow tires and high pressure If you coasted over a hill at let than 28 mph the car would freewheel all the way down, you could shut off the motor, short shifting like todays automatics minimize pumping losses The manifold in the block allowed running lean, block the radiator all the tricks, gut the interior to save weight. We did not win but came close Mechanix Illustrated and Tom McCahill
@@jmflournoy386What kind of fuel economy did you get?
Love it! I'm a tech guy and I love hearing about how things work.
Because they are a bit different than the Big 3's cars, I was interested.
Back during the summer of 1973, I worked at a Shell gas station. This was back in the day that we wore Shell uniforms with bow ties. When a car would come in and buy as little as a gallon or two of gas, we had to check all the tire pressures, including the spare if the owner would allow us in the trunk. We washed all the windows and outside mirrors, if the owner wanted us to we would also wash the rear view mirror. Then, we'd check under the hood, all the fluids and filters.
Well, one time a Rambler came in, maybe a '63 or '64, and when I opened the hood, lo and behold, it had a flathead 6, and it wasn't a Rambler American either. I'd never seen a flathead engine in a U.S. car that new!
One of the cool AMC's of the past was the Nash-Healy. The Nash part was the big OHV Ambassador engine. I think the first N-H's were in 1952 and lasted until 1955. Clark Kent drove one in the original Superman TV show. Clark Kent/Superman was played by actor George Reeves. The N-H was his own car. Ramblers were featured in the show for maybe the first 3 seasons?
OK, OHV engines. Chevrolet always had OHV engines and never a flathead. These engines were strange to me. They had a valve cover but it was larger than the cylinder head. In the overhang side, the push rods were exposed and open to the air!
AMC taught the world how to build an OHV inline 6. Probably, it's crowning achievement was the 4L inline 6 used in Jeeps. The last ones made close to 190 net hp! That's V8 power!
Shell - -Richfield guy here (before it became ARCO) before you. How's your "TCP" we used to call it Tom Cat Piss. We wore regular ties that clipped on, came off easy if caught on something! Yep, good ole Clark Kent! In some episodes it was Lois Lane who had one.
@@richardwarren7492 Are's were brown clip-on bow ties. I might even still have it! I also kept the brown pin-striped shirts and brown slacks, and wore them out working on projects at home.
Lois Lane usually drove the slide-back convertible Nash and sometimes Clark Kent drove it. George Reeves always seemed to like fancy cars and drove the Nash-Healey on the show after it was gifted to him by the woman he was having an affair with, who's husband was a movie producer thug(who probably killed George and staged it as a suicide). A suicide didn't seem appropriate as George was in talks about reviving the "Superman" series and George was really excited about it.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of that information as well as added insight sorry took so long to get back I’ve been buried in comments lol
@@automatedelectronics6062 At 75 I still enjoy the old Superman episodes. went through them all a couple of months ago.
Yep, kept my old Richfield and ARCO uniforms until they died for working around house and car. Actually had an ARCO station for about 3 years - -
@@richardwarren7492 Are you Rick Warren, the minister and author?
Yep. I bout the complete "Superman" DVD set years ago. Surprisingly, they had their eyes on syndication so shot the last seasons in color, as color TV was deemed to be taking over. I remember watching "Superman" in the 1960's and all episodes were being shown in B&W. One day, one episode was in color for a few seconds. Not knowing the series history at that point, I called the TV station and asked about it. They told me that they had inadvertently left the hue button on after a commercial. Ha! lol, now!
Both of my grandfathers had a Rambler with this engine, one a 1960 and one a 1961. Neither car ever had head gasket problems or had to have the head retorqued. Maybe by that time they had figured out that problem. Both cars went over 100 thousand miles and the engine wasn't the problem.
That’s awesome what is it a flathead design or the overhead design Retorque the head bolts was only an issue on the overhead valve
@@What.its.like. They were both overhead valve.
I had a 1962 Rambler American with the 196 flathead. It was a great, efficient engine.
Sweet =) i’m a huge Nash Van I will have the early ramblers from 50 to 53 for all of them had a flat head I don’t know if it was the 196 it would’ve been a 180 for 172.6.. the two door wagon is where it’s at, I can’t believe how rare those are now I’ve only seen a handful of them and out of the ones that I seen only one of them was stock the rest of them had 350 V8 in a custom interior I’m not for that I don’t mind an engine swap but it doesn’t need Crager SS wheels with bucket seats it kind of ruins it
None smoother!...My mechanic looked forward to doing the annual tune-up on my 59American flat six...He enjoyed test-driving it after tuning it up...He swore it was the smoothest, sweetest-running car he had ever driven. I could not argue!
What kind of fuel economy did you guys get with the flathead?
There were two larger Nash inline sixes, both OHV, 235-cubic inches and 253-cubic inches. These could be had with a single carburetor, or dual carbs named the "LeMans Dual Jetfire" engine. In this state of tune, the smaller engine put out 125-horsepower, while the larger one put out 140-horsepower. Along with the Ambassador line, these engines were also found in the Nash-Healey sports car.
Yes that was my point why didn’t they just use one of those engines instead of converting the 196 overhead valve.. I want to do an episode on those two by tracing back that information was really hard it got to a point where I couldn’t tell what engine was in the ambassador
I really want to do an episode on the original overhead valve six that Nash made in 1925 through 1930 and then it was eventually replaced with an overhead valve in line 8 the six cylinder had seven main bearings the eight cylinder had nine.. those engines seem at least on paper absolutely magical and I wanna know why they didn’t live on..
@@What.its.like. It's likely those engines were too long, even for the Statesman body, and the Rambler had less space than that. Nash was more interested in fuel economy at that time, for everything but the Ambassador.
Cool post Thanks ! I had a 74 Gremlin , $2500.00 price new, with a 232 and it was OK for one hundred thousand miles after ten years then everything broke at once. Super simple cheap car.
I’ve heard those engines are bulletproof and they didn’t require the maintenance that the 196 did it was all going to be part of one episode but I figured this engine is really different than those engines it kind of bridges the gap one day I wanna go back and do all the overhead valve engines from the beginning problem is that I couldn’t find any information on a lot of those engines on the Internet so I have to find a library that has that information. =)
Overall great video! Two things: someone already pointed out that the 195.6 flat-head and OHV were both available in 1965 Americans (only). The other thing is you mention that not torquing the head bolts periodically (every 8-10K miles) can lead to head gasket leaking (which usually manifests as running hot), and running hot can lead to head warping. It also leads to head CRACKING -- and good heads are getting hard to find. They crack due to age and running hot, having usually been run hot several times, much due to not torquing the head as well as cooling issues (clogged/old radiator, etc.). You don't have to follow the head bolt tightening sequence when torquing unless the head has been off (all bolts loosened). Just set a click torque wrench to 62 ft/lbs and pull on each head bolt in any order. A couple may turn as much as a half turn (or a little more), some will click immediately, and some 1/4 turn or less.
Thank you so much for adding all of that information that overhead valve engine doesn’t like to get hot I’ve done a couple episodes with cross country Rambler wagons and that’s what the owners all told me is if you let the engine get hot bad stuff happens.. but that engine will run forever if properly maintained it just requires a lot of periodic maintenance which leads me to believe the Flathead was the better design because you didn’t have to re-torque the head every so often =)
Thanks again for all the information =)
I Always called the AMC Flathead a " Water Cooled lawnmower engine" They always ran!
I think they should bring the flathead back
And turbo charge it
@What.its.like. heck, yeah! Turbo flatheads! Making more power and keeping the reliability!
The OHV 195.6 was offered in 1965, and was standard on the American Hardtop, the flathead being standard on the American for other body styles. The new 232 was an option in the 1965 American, but you couldn't get it with air conditioning becase the new engine was longer and there was no room for the condenser coil. That's one of the reasons that the nose on the American grew 4 inches for 1966.
Thank you so much for sharing that insight =)
Great video with lots of OHV history. Thank you! I learned a lot.
Glad you dig this episode =)
I think we’re gonna try to do an engine episode once a week or once every other week depending on how things go =)
@@What.its.like. Excellent idea.
I love the colors they put on the engines makes them really look cool
Me too that’s another thing that I miss they don’t paint the engine bays anymore and a lot of that stuff is not accessible
@@What.its.like. my 1994 honda civic and my 1988 Lincoln car both have painted engine bays same color as the car
That’s awesome you have an 88 Lincoln signature series that was the best car that I ever owned at one time that’s riding.. What color is yours
Yeah, you don't see many yellow or pink engines these days!
A great overview, Jay.
Glad you dig =)
Great video!!Loved the segment on just engines!! The comparisons were hilarious 😂 😂😂😂 ii!!
I thought they were some people I guess didn’t see it I guess that was going to be a one time thing a lot of people don’t like it but I’m glad you dig =)
Do you want to do at least at least try to do one engine episode a week maybe every other week when the base gets bigger we’re gonna start diving into people as well
Designers and engineers people like Virgil Exner Alex tremulous dictating Bill Mitchell Harley earl list goes on and on
@@What.its.like. Great idea.The channel is all about automotive history, These designers and engineers stories should be heard!!! Flatheads are something hardly anyone covers and it's all fascinating!!! You have to remember these were drawn out on a drafting board, 🚫🚫 not a computer. If you screwed up you balled it up and threw it away,not just correct it in the computer CADD program and reprint it. My favorites are late 30's to early 50's . These gents were both Artists And Engineers!!! The product coming out today is boring and in my opinion JUNK???
I totally agree I miss when things were designed from Clay
Born way to late el cord lived when I would have liked to live I think he died in 79 he saw it all horse and wagons boats trains cars planes and rockets
Would you rather: Christy Brinkley, Cheryl Tiegs, Pam Anderson. Sorry I'm old, don't know any young hotties.
I really like all the old advertisements you put into your vides and like to read them by pausing but could you make sure they are in focus. Great vide very interesting . I am subscribed.
Awesome welcome to the car community I love the old vintage ads as well it’s one of my favorite thing about Classic Cars I just absolutely love the illustrations of the 50s 40s 30s partway through the 60s and then they went to this really contrast dark contrast it was weird I don’t know why they went that way but especially GM some of the weight 60 GM ads are almost unreadable because of the dark contrast they used what is cool to see what and how they advertise things back in the day. Some of the words and phrases used to is pretty awesome to see =)
Very good, like AMC history and cars.
Liked my uncle's '79 232ci in his manual(!) Concord.
Outstanding as always - thank you. Connections - might be fun to throw a twist in. Connections between/among cars and car makers. There were so many swaps of people (like you referenced with Charles Nash) in the automotive industry it could be fun. The same with cars, like Rolls Royce using GM Turbohydromatic transmissions. ~ Chuck
Glad you dig this episode more AMC six is coming next week the popular ones.. I was going to make it all one episode but dissension is vastly different than those so I figured I’d break it up I really want to cover the original Nash overhead valve six that came out in 1925 I just have to go to a library to find out more information about that one because there is no information on the Internet about it.. It was the one in the advertisement that said twin ignition I think it produced 60 hp And it came out four years before Chevy did.. it was replaced with an overhead valve in line 8 the six cylinder had seven main bearings just like the one AMC made to replace the 195.6.. The overhead valve in line 8 that replaced it had nine main bearings
We have really enjoyed the automobile descriptions and explanations. please stick with what you do best!
For sure making connections one time thing
I have one in my 49 Nash 600, it's no powerhouse moving that large body. A similar video you could make in future is how the Kaiser 226 flathead changed into the Jeep 230 Tornado ohc.
Awesome idea thank you so much for that =)
I will add that to the engine list I made an engine list of engines that I would like to feature on this channel we might do an engine episode every other week or every week I’m not sure it takes a long time to put one of these together. I think a regular episode takes about eight hours they seem to take double because it takes time to find the advertisements in the pictures and everything else =)
@@What.its.like.thanks Jay, I am sure many people enjoy the old original sales pictures. I have bolted in a jeep 230 tornado engine in to my 53 Kaiser Manhattan but it still uses the oringnal 226 sump.
You're keeping it alive and fresh brother Thanks ! new sub fo sure
Welcome to the community =) glad you dig
I come for the cars.
Awesome this channel mostly deals with the cars but I’m starting to find the need that some of the engines need talked about as well..
I’ve been tossing around the idea of perhaps doing maybe one new car a month there’s a couple new cars that I’m interested in if I had the chance to drive a Mustang GT 350 I would totally do that. I would be like in the very beginning we generally do Classic Cars we generally do machine but today we have an appliance I would probably lose half the audience right then and there when I say that but it’s true.. lol
@@What.its.like.
I'm enjoying your videos about engines. Transmissions, power steering, air conditioning would be interesting as well.
@@What.its.like.i like tge engine videos.. They're the heart of the cars, so they deserve a mention
Regarding that "special sequence" for torque on the head - every cylinder head has a sequence. Generally it's from the center to the outside. There are some execptions. If you look at the picture you put up - that's exactly how it works. When I worked as a mechanic early on, did quite a bit of Rambler work. I never (repeat. never) found one that needed a retorque. Think about it. ("check every 4,000 *how you going to check? Eh? With a torque wrench!) "Retorque every 8,000 miles" well you did that at 4,000 - - -. Also that recomendation wasn't that strange back in the day, not just Rambler.
Very good points.. I hit the jackpot with the service manual I was able to find a service manual for the overhead valve 196 I couldn’t find an owners manual for the flathead though it kept redirecting me to the overhead valve version.
Nice explanation of engine. Thank you for sharing 😊👋🐿
Glad you dig this episode =)
I remember as a kid working at my dad's garage in the late '60s thinking how PRIMITIVE the Ramblers were ... flat-head sixes, "Lionel" brakes, and oh, they used GM/Delco distributors and Ford power steering pumps ... I wondered, "can't they make anything on their own"?
GM power steering. Ford power steering pumps had a dipstick where as Ramblers had a wingnut you removed and the whole top came off to check the level and the reason they used other manufactures components, is because being a small company it was cheaper for them to source those pieces than to set up and make it themselves Just trying to save money as they always did Everyone complained about this but when you went to the auto parts store, and asked for this part for your AMC you were given the part and you took it home, installed it and were good to go just like any other car. It is the same as people always said this or that engine was a Ford or Chevrolet or Mopar engine, I wish people would get it through their heads they always made their own six and v8 engines. Gen one were 250, 287, and 327 cu in, And their 327 was in their cars years before Chevy had one, and it looks nothing like a GM 327. Gen two was 290, 343, 390 from1967-1969.Some people say those were available in late 1966 . Then in 1970 they were 304, 360, 401. They always were great running and strong on the performance side.
Most AMC cars in the 1960s used Bendix brakes, the same ones used on Chrysler products. There were a few models with Wagner brakes.
I prefer the "which car would you pick"
The 195 flathead had a special (optional) version with twin carbs that made a bit more power.
I think that was a one year only option... 1955 IIRC. An effort to get sales with the "LeMans" name/win.
138 hp, with a two barrel carb, later.
Did the early OHV Rambler engine have an aluminum cylinder head?
I understand that engineering a reliable head gasket sealing ability and reliability of the head bolting system is a significant challenge when dissimilar metals are used in the cylinder block and the head. There may still be a slightly higher risk of head gasket leaking and failure on modern car engines with aluminum heads over iron blocks as compared to the old cast iron head on an iron block.
Also I suspect that part of the "tune up" on an old iron block and head engine was to retorque or check that the head bolts were not loose. Might have still been occasionally recommended on the Chevrolet overhead valve 230 Six that was common into the early 1970s.
Only the 1950 "LeMans" OHV six (made for the Nash-Healey) used an aluminum head. There was a one or two year "LeMans" version of the 195.6 flat-head that used dual carbs that might have been aluminum -- I'd have to research that. There were head gasket issues on the aluminum block/iron head 195.6 OHV. Partly due to dissimilar metals, partly due to the overall design of the 195.6 OHV (thermal expansion/contraction of the iron head loosening head bolts over time, as mentioned in the video). The main "dissimilar metals" issue was the anti-freeze used in the early 60s. It wasn't aluminum friendly! Rambler people were usually a frugal lot and didn't like purchasing "special" anti-freeze from the dealer -- felt it was just a gimick by the dealer to get more money since that anti-freeze cost more than then standard anti-freeze. This lead to accelerated corrosion, especially at the head/block interface.
Jim Flournoy @@AMCMag the dual carb flathead was aluminum and proper antifreeze was essential especially for the AL block motor I think later OHV engines had hyd tappets, we did not have to adj valves on the 61 engine
Apparently there was a big change or an all new engine block sometime in the 1960s when the Chevrolet 235 six was replaced by the 230 six. Not sure the relation between the 230 and the smaller six used in some Nova cars or which was the ancestor of the 4 cylinder Nova engine or what eventually became the "Iron Duke"
I think the 250 pickup truck engine was derived from the 230 and perhaps also the 292 inline six that was in some medium duty trucks
Chevy 230 totally different engine family
Don't love it, don't hate it! Prefer car reviews though.
Great video!! Keep it automotive related.
Awesome =)
Didn't the 258 turn into the 4.0L that was a Jeep staple for quite some time?
232 and 258 cid is the legendary jeep motor I believe
The 196 predates it it doesn’t share anything with those engines it’s more or less bridges the gap between flat head and overhead valve
@@What.its.like. oh yes it does the early 199/232 and 252 Mexican motor used the same bellhousing pattern as the flathead. LAter 232-258 use a different pattern I still have a couple of early "TAXI" bellhousings to put a HD trans behind the earlier motors.
AS an aside we built the STOCK (except pistons & rods) to 900 HP with a turbo on alky then 1200 HP with the factory making minor foundry tweeks to the head and block (thicker decks, early shaft rockers on later head)
Yes, the larger Nash OHV 6 was still in production for the first half of the 50's. I'll hazard a guess that the big 6, at 4.1 litres was anticipated to be rendered redundant by the V8 on the drawing board. But they still needed a small engine, so for that reason updated the flathead.
Awesome information I just saw they essentially offered three engine choices small mid and big
Great video Jay! AMC sure had to do more with less when developing that early overhead valve by converting a flathead. It sure looked like high maintenance. I think given the choice I would have went with the flathead for the easier service and durability.
Totally agree =)
The flathead 196 had issues with head gaskets and needed retorquing often! My parents had a 1960 Rambler American station wagon with the 196 OHV and never had the head torqued!
I got to drive a 62 last year AMC cross-country Rambler wagon with 196 overhead valve and I thought I had put plenty of pep.. A lot of people say that that car is under powered but it didn’t feel under power to me Karman Ghia that feels a bit under powered.. especially when you get at the bottom of the hill and you’re going slow.
You most likely have that backwards. The flat-head has no issues with the head gasket, the OHV does.
In the American the 195.6 OHV is pretty good. The flat-head feels a little anemic in modern driving, the OHV adequate. When the OHV is in the bigger cars it's a different story. Ok around town due to lower gearing, not so much on the freeway.
@@AMCMag No, I owned one; rebuilt it, had the block and head surfaced, I know what I am talking about.
@@AMCMag 60 American with 4:11 gears and dual carbs had plenty of power, up the grapevine in second overdrive or third you could put a switch to control the od just like a ford pickup
Actually they did sell the OHV version alongside the flatheads in 65 but since the flathead came first it did technically outlast the OHV 195.6.
Good to know thank you so much for sharing that information =)
@@What.its.like. I really liked the video and I learned that I should probably tighten up my valves.
Glad you dig this episode =)
I’m hiding out in the common section mileage may vary like maintenance on any other engine.. One person claimed that they didn’t re-torque head bolts and drove allegedly 100,000 miles without issue.. but I’ve heard horror stories from people who chose not to
hey, thanks a lot for your video, im currently restoring a 1947 ambassador and can´t find much info about it. i would love to know more from this 234cui
I’ll see what We can come up with =) i’m with you the ambassador line of engines for whatever reason gets swept under the rug it’s an engine no one talks about I would love to tackle it one day but I think I’ll need to go to the AACA library in order to do so because information is very spotty
Interesting article
www.allpar.com/threads/nash-engines.229884/
www.hemmings.com/stories/article/notable-nashes-4
Here is a tread where people talk about the engine, scroll down until you see farana right below pistol farmer.. that’s a treasure trove of information whether or not it’s 100% accurate is another thing… it’s almost at the bottom of that thread so I guess you can just scroll the whole way down and then just scroll up a few and it’s right there
They also use this engine in theHealy so if you found information on the Nash Healy may be a gave out engine specifications
I can’t find one at the moment but if you can find a downloadable shop manual that would give explosive diagrams on everything parts numbers you have it.. are you looking for information on rebuilding the engine or just like history background information on this engine
www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/nash-234-8-ohv-six-is-it-any-good.637682/
Nash also had an OHV straight eight, with 9 main bearings, from '32-40, only Packard also used 9 main bearings, on straight eights, during this period, and Packard used flatheads only, until they brought out their V8, in '55.
Yes but that was an in line eight they had a 6 with 7 mains at that time as well both super underrated engines
Not interested in the "Making Connections" the rest is good 👍
I always thought "Flat Head" was a person from Kansas so ...
I enjoyed this new segment. Only the first Chevy Vega motors were worse.
This isn’t a bad engine it just requires a lot of maintenance if you get the overhead valve version the flathead version I believe gave out better economy that was the economy engine the one that got 30 something miles to the gallon..
What gets me is the flat head design is said to be inefficient and yet it gets better fuel economy numbers than a lot of stuff that was on sale 10 years ago.. I personally think they need to bring back the Flathead forge the internals and add a turbo charger to it I bet you they could probably get 40 to 45 maybe even 50 miles to the gallon out of a flat head
Dude, u have no idea about what you are talking about. Not even in the stadium. The Nash straight sixes have NO business being EVEN mentioned with the Vega aluminum melt masters.
As usual, the uninformed about Nash/AMC have no idea what they are talking about. Get a clue and do your homework. Here's a lesson: Vega - one of the worst cars in every manner in the history of GM.
Good Lord...
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Rambler rambling :) super eco engine for its size
What were you talking about when you mentioned an American Motors 242 cubic inch six cylinder engine?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_straight-6_engine
@@What.its.like. never heard of a 242, 252 or 282 AMC six and I was an AMC parts man for years. In some foreign countries, Ramblers were assembled with non American Motors engines. P. S. Wikipedia is not always right!
Yeah I think the 242 is a typo I was able to find anything. I tread lightly on Wikipedia.
242 sometimes called "4 litre" is the recently dropped "Powertech" six that was in many of the square unibody (XJ?) Jeep Cherokees and had a fuel injection system,I think it was also in the WJ Grand Cherokee from about 1999 thru 2004 model years
some earlier Jeep Cherokees had Chevrolet Citation V6 engines,the new "PowerTech" six quickly made the Cherokee become much more popular. @@What.its.like.
The 196 OHV was used up to and including in 1965 on the Americans only
Awesome thank you So much for the clarification =)
George Romney never had a good idea. Like father like son.
The V8 used in 1955-1956 Nash and Hudson’s was actually a Packard motor.
Yes but the 250 came in 56 or 57
Yes as well as the 327
35.4 MPG at 6:51 What happened ? Most cars get nothing like that with all their fuel injection and multi computers etc etc.
That’s been my biggest argument forever we have all of this technology now and yet we can’t get any better gas mileage than they did back in the day. I would love to debate somebody on that issue.. I honestly think that they should bring back the flathead forge all the internals and turbo charge it because those engines naturally got low compression adding a turbo charger would bring it up to snuff, I was always told the flathead design was an inefficient engine but they got 32 miles to the gallon what was inefficient about that
@@What.its.like.
As engine fuel management improved, there were two possible alternatives.
1. Keep performance modest and. improve gas mileage.
2 Keep gas mileage the same and improve performance.
The later became the norm.
Lately fuel milage has improved by downsizing the cars. Performance is king.
One could accept lower performance and have the cars the size of yesteryear.
@@What.its.like. Show me today a full sized car with that head room that gets that mpg. Good luck
@dougabbott8261
2023 Toyota sienna hybrid gets 40… 2023 Honda Odyssey gets 32…
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Id imagine those exist in foreign countries. They would have car bodies like we are used to. Their engines would be much smaller. Zero to 60 times would be similar to the Nash.
I vote no on new segment
Seems to be the word on that won’t be a thing =)
3:26 the OHV version did not make "up to 127 HP: it made up to 138 HP. Your comments with regard to maintenance on the flathead and OHV are waaaayyyyy off. the Flathead was far from bullet proof and in addition to oil changes and valve adjustment (which is pain in the ass), the flathead engine needed frequent attention to points and suffered frequent overheating and vapor lock. Your comments as regards the OHV have been debunked for more than 20 years. those of us in the field who actually work on these engines daily simply bypass the thermostat to solve half the issues. The remainder are addressed with head studs rather than bolts. Your commentsw with regard to heating this engine are also off. The overhead valve version of the engine can weather modest overheating just fine and is no more susceptible than is the chevy 230, 235, or 250 or the ford 144 170 or 200. Caveat here is that overheating can not be due to a lack of oil. your claim as to unforgiving is bogus. The head gasket does not "blow" from overheating, it becomes defective over time from the failure to torque the head or bypass the thermostat. And you are wrong about the end of production for the OHV. It was not 1964. In 1965 major changes to the 196 OHV were made resulting in a full flow oil filter and a bypassed thermostat and the engine was found in all Americans with air conditioning because the bracketry for AC would not fit under the American hood in the longer 232/199 block. Anyone who actually researched the topic would have found this as all the engines are in the TSM (Technical Serivce Manual for 65). I am guessing that your leaving my comments here for all to see will require character and eating a little humble pie. I am curious as to your appetite.
I’m an enthusiast not an expert thank you so much for all the information here is where I got the information
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_straight-6_engine
www.ramblerlore.com/AMC/195.6ohv/index.html
1964 was the last year of aluminum block ohv 196, both the flathead and ohv were discontinued in 1965.. it’s been so long since doing this episode I can’t find all the sources
Thank you so much for all the corrections
It’s not about eating humble pie, I can admit when I’m wrong like I said i’m enthusiast not an expert, I’m not like one of these new car youtube reviewer that gets the information spoon fed to them I have to research and find the information and sometimes/a lot of times information on the internet is wrong.. so I appreciate the information you brought =)
@@What.its.like. Wikipedia is an unverified crowd contributed source that is often incorrect because "enthusiasts" like you who wont take responsibility for proper sourcing, contribute to the page. Even a 9th grader knows that they are not allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for research for that reason. Please do not cop out and call yourself an enthusiast as an excuse for not doing your homework. You are not as enthusiastic in seeking the truth as you are in making videos and hearing your own voice. what you produced is unfair to the engine and the car and the period in history and the enthusiasts in the hobby who need vetted authoritative information
It’s possible to correct and not be a total dick, everyone uses Wikipedia it wasn’t the only source used I made this episode months ago I will start posting references used in description so you could go after them instead of attacking me.
@@What.its.like. Just as it is possible to post and not be totally inaccurate
Yeah that’s a big no on your new section, stick with cars please
AMC . . . . . . ALL MANUFACTURE'S CONTRIBUTING
If you can’t tell besides an orphan car fan I’m in AMC fan but I like AMC from the 50s and 60s they kind of lost their way a little bit I love the eagle too =)
@@What.its.like. I liked AMC too, but some of the things they did were just crazy, or lazy.
All spindles on an AMC unbolted. So you could put 70s car disc brakes on 50s-60s cars no problem, The twin stick three speed overdrive was a great idea, But the closed driveshaft rear end up until 64-65 not so great!
No more so than other car companies. They all buy components from each other and from outside suppliers.
@danielulz1640 yes, thank you - correct. As am AMC enthusiast, I find that all the commentators and "experts" have NOT a clue about what they are talking about. 50 years on still haters and worse - amateur comedians.
To your point, how's that BMW engine in the newest Supra doing?...
How about the Willys 230OHC six? It live on in Argentina to power AMC cars. And the Jeep Wagoneer sand trucks used the AMC sixes!
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