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The democratic politics told in this animation is the worst case, but it may happen today.《Legend of the Galactic Heroes》Trump said we are victimized, others are wrong. Everything is for votes, to create enemies, hatred, and even war. But Chinese love Trump, because he has made lots of mistakes that decades American presidents will not make. At the Chinese forums, Every people support Trump to continue as president. Because he can make the U.S. decline. And let China become the world leader. The United States is now like the era of the Qing Dynasty in China, close the country to international intercourse. Time for America to play the victim again! China made us move our ship, waaaahhhh... We put tariff on China, and China put tariff on us, waaaahhhh.... We tour up the Paris Climate Accord, tour up the Iran Nuclear agreement, but want everyone else to obey and they are not waaaahhh. I do what I want, do what I want, waaaahhhhh. Trump and his team doesn't want fair, he wants the world to give into every one of his demands and put America first while trying to convince his base that the whole world takes advantage of poor, victimized USA. He's so full of shit. Trump is devoid of: - any curiosity or desire to learn. - an innate sense of self-worth that doesn't require the universal praise and admiration of others. - the ability to speak aspirationally. Everything he says to motivate his base is dowsed in hate, fear, and blame directed toward the collective "other." - a core belief system. - the ability to control even his worst impulses. - basic human empathy. For decades, he's bragged about destroying the lives of those who dare to disagree or bend to his will. - the ability to process interactions and situations beyond his solipsistic bubble of self-advancement and self-aggrandizement. - knowledge about almost everything not relating to himself. - the ability to rationally evaluate any view or opinion counter to his own. - the capability to trust others. Everyone is a potential enemy in his paranoid mind. - the ability to accept culpability for any situation. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault, ALWAYS. From this animation《Legend of the Galactic Heroes》You will know what will happen next, everything is going according to the script. When a national leader encourage nationalism and racial superiority, especially in a multi-ethnic country, more of these things will happen. Trump‘s behavior is exactly the same as Legend of the Galactic Heroes, he said we are victimized, others are wrong. In order to collect more votes, everyword is to create enemies, hatred, and even war.
China is truly democratic. Every one can be an politician if you pass the exams and after training you have the chance to be a president. America and Taiwan's people only have one ballot. You can't participate in the election if you have no money. Then look at Trump. Can he lead the United States? May be not. Because he is only a businessman, and bankruptcy three times, no rules for doing things. And The country cannot bankrupt at all. And now he only thinks his Votes and Polls. The Western media controlling people’s thinking from centuries ago use democratic. But do you know the earliest democracy was put forward by communism? In the past, the West said only freedom no democracy because this will be enemy communist. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, The westen now took the slogan of democracy and brainwashing people just like Christianity centuries ago. This is how Chinese and people in the west different. Chinese experienced thousand years history which shaped them much more realistic than people in the west. Chinese only see ideology as the instrument to help them build the nation-state and lead the country to become prosperous. However, even nowadays there are so many people in the west still hold strong cold war ideology. It seems like they never learn the lessons from the history, especially the Americans, they are repeating the history again and again, although they have so many world-class political and social experts. Like many other countries in the world, China suffered a lot from the western invasion in the past 200 years. That's why when China became the world second largest economy and third largest military power, it didn't invade any other country. Not like the Americans spread their ideology and war globally, China is investing and helping other countries to develop their own economy. But the Chinese investment certainly damages the western interests, so they start to demonize the Chinese investment and brainwash people say China is a threat, is an evil blblbl... If you have been to China, you will know that the western mainstream media is so bias, everything when it comes to China has to be politically correct. That's why you can see an interesting fact that the collapsing China never collapses. That's why you can hear a lot about how Xi is dangerous and a dictator, 【but you will never hear what he says: 'Building a community with a shared future for mankind is in essence to connect the prospects and destinies of every nation and country closely together' from western mainstream media.】 Hope we can all be friends rather than the enemy.
Some participants in the debating know nothing about China, I have travelled China before many times, it has been changing better and better . I support Prof Chang. well done
Do you still think this today? Housing crash, zero covid policy for years, political centralisation and government purges to help Xi stay in power for a 3rd term, economic decline and less political freedom than under Hu. What a lie, you commented this video back in 2020-21 when the Hong Kong protests were happening, when zero covid were getting in effect, you likely traveled to a China under Hu not Xi. It's getting more authoritarian and hateful of foreigners such as yourself.
@@dsd8678 the labour is enough for them They won't see that another country arise up to take those existing developed country's resource.“U can develop but under control”.
According to this French’s closing statement, Professor Zhang is a great person because he has the courage to speak in front of a table of so-called mainstream mind influencers. 😀
There are foreign academics in China, but they are ignored by the outside world. They only have influence in China. Lots of "journalists" live in China, but they spend their entire lives in a hotel room reading about China in English and watching foreign news. They will eat in the same restaurants as regular Chinese people and even bring their family to China, but they are blind to what's right under their nose and just parrot what has been said for decades. And the ones who write something different will end up without a job.
l found a fact, that so many educated Chinese people know western countries, and by contrast so few western really know China. Really knowing a country is to learn their language and to live there, which a lot of Chinese do, rather than reading the news or papers, which the most western do.
I left three long messages and one has already gone. What a perfect example of freedom of speech! This is the fourth message that I leave here for a note of message counting.
You didn’t give professor Chang enough time explaining his view ! In a summary, China with 1.4 billions in population and many minorities is running like a smaller scale if UN, but much more effective and efficiently.
I think you have too many illusions about china in recent years. many critics people stated against china is true. but no one with real authority like weiwei has ever answered to those questions specifically. can people criticize gov without being retaliated in china?; can people select leaders they want and will leaders deliver their thoughts to and gain supports from people before they being elected?; can people reject if gov decided to take away their property? court, armed forces, education, and even the way through which people can report and supervise the gov are controlled by the party. to them, china is the party and the party is china. it is totally a dictatorship. have you heard what have just happened in some universities in nanjing this month??? they never talk about these. when people ask them, they always emphasize china is rich and powerful. but real thing is most people in china is poor. china has a large economy due to its large population. but what ironic is that when they thought the population is too large, they banned people from having more than one child, while they recently unbanned and started to encourage people to get three children simply for the good of national economy. lmfao
The French on the table: “I am older than you, I went to 100 countries, I went to many developed countries, I know what it means to them...” Professor Zhang:” Have you been to Xingjiang?” No answer from the French about this very question. The logic of the French：because the muslims are miserable in other developed countries. China is a developed country, so the Uighur In Xinjiang must be the same as what he saw in other countries. What a great and arrogant logic if he can’t show proof of physical visits over a period of time to Xingjiang. This world is fast changing, all the developed countries are also undergoing different stages of change being big or small. This Frenchman and other supposedly high intellectuals are living in their bubbles that this world never change. What they hear or see in the past never change.
nothing to do with france guy , just it is from west arrogance , hope all west people continue to sleep with snores, then after 30years some westerners will ask who covered the China to rise
It's funny to see these comments by Chinese users before and after 2020, do you realise how important freedom is now? How a government unaccountable to it's people can just lock you up without your consent? Force you to lose your job and life for years. The CCP social contract with the people is simple, economic growth for political legitimacy, now the economy is declining and slowing down, what will the people do? You can't elect someone else.
Wanna hear something fun? I, as a "westerner", had to watch this debate on this chinese channel because here is behind a paywall. Check the english version link in the description, video is hidden. To watch it, you're suppoused to pay 10€ to Nexus Institute. Just gives a broader perspective to the debate.
These intellectuals should read Lee Kuan Yew's books on how to build a nation! ....you need to apply the concept pragmatically and not demand that the rest of the WORLD should worship Democracy blindly. The first and most basic of the RIGHT is the Right to be SAFE, access to water, sanitation, education etc... Not to be shot or stabbed when you're walking the street at night in your neighbourhood ....
Message # 5, it is extremely hard to make people really listen to Mr. Zhang when they have been accepting framed ideology of what China is or in other words when they have had stereotype imprinted in their mindset.
Ever since I was a child, my perception of the West has been freedom, equality, tolerance and respect.But today I am very disappointed to see that their views on the political system different from their own are totally different from my expectations of equality, tolerance, respect and so on.That's hypocritical.
这个人的最新言论是为灯塔国辩护认为此国不需要为此次舆情负责， 还说无论怎样民主国家都会处理得更好。twitter.com/bfmtv/status/1270827601758752772 被人评说“On t'a rien demander, reste sous le lit” - 没人问你的意见，继续在床底下呆着。 “On invite encore des déchets de l'humanité en direct ?!” - 为何我们还在邀请这个人渣上节目？！
When you spoke all the flowery sentences and beautiful quotes, have you forgotten about the fundamentals? Why the Kurds fought the ISIS fiercely? it is not for freedom, it is to protect their way of life for their people. When they don't want to live the way the ISIS live, have you ask the question whether they want to live the way Americans or Europeans live? That is the reason why the refugees couldn't integrate into Europe society. You always think that people want to live like you and that is the most undemocratic way of thinking. The governments of the west are losing their power because they think that everyone wants to live like them. Come down from the moral high horse please. Commoners like us don't spend two seconds on thinking how to govern, we spend our time thinking of how to improve our lives. Western politicians just think too much and do too little. Just mere 40 years ago China's problem is starvation and how to feed a 1 billion population. 40 years later you are asking to move up so many levels for self esteem on a 1.4 billion population, how many revolutions westerners have been through to get to this stage. And sad to say, all the revolutions still led to two world wars of massacres of good innocent people who don't know what they are fighting for. Beware of what you are wishing for, if China goes into revolution and starts a third world war, it would be the end of the world. It is better to keep China as it is, if they succeed, they did it their way. If they fail, naturally they would reduce their population. Trying to act like god don't make you god. Playing god is the most foolish thing to do.
Moderator is already inherently biased against the new power China. Everyone taking pot shots against china’s political system which they seem entirely comfortable with surprisingly with the exception of the American. Might as well rename this nexus forum - “is China political system preferred or not” Secondly are the French doing well both politically, morally and economically ? The Middle East is fighting amongst themselves and they bother about racial tensions in north China? There is neither a slaughter or massacres happening there? The Rohingya has nothing to do with the Chinese. A bunch of hypocritical western academics a whom have no idea how to solve their own countries problem. Yet they take pot shots at others
Just because you have been to Xinjiang once does not mean you are qualified to comment on Xinjiang! You have to go many times, keep a constant eye on Xinjiang, and do in-depth understanding. I haven't been back to my hometown in years and I don't even know the way. Xinjiang in China is also constantly developing and getting better and better. It's a pity that you don't know the latest situation in Xinjiang. You mention Xinjiang not because you really care but just because you need a reason to attack China!
@@uhub3045 韬光养晦了这么多年了，你觉得这个国际环境下你还能闷声发大财吗？我很尊重你的观点，但是所谓的言论自由难道就是大家坐在桌子上所谓的中立立场其实也掩盖不出他们阴阳怪气的客观。你觉得这是客观吗，这就像桌子上坐了那么多人，批斗你爸用所谓的正义来“客观”评论，你难道还不能为你爸妈说两句？所谓辩论就是有正反观点，在如今的媒体环境下，中国的观点和声音确实很小，但是如果所谓的发声也被你说成战狼的话其实是陷入一种恶性循环。另一个例子，海外华人韬光养慧这么多年了，为什么黑人去闹一下就能引起所谓的共鸣，而华人作为少数族裔却不能很好的保护自己的权益呢？刻板印象不是说你啥也不说人家就能明白你的。近年来北美（因为我在北美）对中国人歧视我认为有所升温，你觉得韬光养护人家就能觉得你好了？we should say sth to fight against the sterotype. 他的表达方式确实很有攻击性，我认为但是我觉得适当的攻击性并不代表战狼哦，这些问题同时反映中宣部的工作要做得更好了。
I watched the short version of Prof.Zhang first, then came here to watch the full version. It was a total waste of my time. I fast-forwarded when others talk their bs.
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和他们辩论没啥用，他们知道你中国优秀，故意说谎话抹黑造谣你的，为啥呢？因为马克思的无产阶级联合起来，让资本家害怕了。为什么海洋盎格鲁萨克逊海盗在撕裂全球？因为马克思提出了强有力的口号：“全世界无产者联合起来！”，一旦实现，那就是 全世界资产阶级的末日。于是资产阶级想出一个破解的方法：那就是民族矛盾，种族冲突。就是这个办法，实际效果相当好。资产阶级用这个工具，避免了全世界无产者的联合。为什么，他们不是一个民族，他们是不同的种族，先让他们内斗去吧。圣经创世纪中有个故事，当全球的人协力建造巴别塔的时候，上帝搞乱了人类的语言，让人类相互不信任，于是通天巨塔就此停工，真是个妙招啊。所以是资产阶级故意挑起，掩盖阶级矛盾的工具。
恩格斯提出过一个叫“虚假意识” 指资产阶级为了蒙蔽人民，以达到少数统治多数而宣传的一种意识形态。换言之就是“西方媒体的带风向”。
看看马丁路德金什么时候死的。搞种族平权10几年都没死，还得了诺贝尔和平奖，但是一联合美共搞“poor people campaign”,就被暗杀了。这说明了什么？
说明美国缺少马克思共产主义。抢劫超市没啥用，一场运动要有指导思想，有信念，才能从纯粹的发泄转变成革命。美国少数族裔缺少的就是指导思想，所以一直不成气候。
所以美国最根本问题是阶级矛盾，而不是种族矛盾。种族矛盾一个是历史原因，一个是上层统治者故意施放的，为了用这个次要矛盾来掩盖主要矛盾。设想如果全体穷人联合起来反抗，这是对美国政权背后的大资本家的最大挑战。现在只是Focus On种族，结果穷人里面，白人红脖子歧视有色人种，坚定支持川普，而黑人和其他族裔也从来不联合。亚裔事不关己高高挂起。这才是大资本家希望的。
自由民主高声喊，阴谋迫害私下刑。
监听各国颠政权，培养牲口乱人心。只有美欧能放火，歼灭他人掌上灯。
所谓「民主自由」是西方新殖民主义的新武器，取代旧殖民主义的「坚船利炮」！
西方殖民者有对它们过去的，侵略、掠夺、剥削、奴役、屠杀、贩毒，有过丝毫反省、检讨、认错、道歉、赔偿吗？
如今却摇身一变，成为你的道德导师，教你啥是「普世价值」！ ！ ！
炸肢解南联盟，轰炸利比亚，入侵伊拉克，入侵阿富汗，毁坏叙利亚，且不说死了多少无辜的平民百姓，产生多少无家可归的难民，因国家战乱导致多少人类文明瑰宝遭到毁灭性破坏（帕尔米拉古城，巴米扬大佛，哈特拉古城 等等），这些都发生在现代，因那些所谓的文明人发动的战争而被毁，也没见所谓公知，圣母婊，轮子，台独们表达哀痛，谴责~
The democratic politics told in this animation is the worst case, but it may happen today.《Legend of the Galactic Heroes》Trump said we are victimized, others are wrong. Everything is for votes, to create enemies, hatred, and even war. But Chinese love Trump, because he has made lots of mistakes that decades American presidents will not make. At the Chinese forums, Every people support Trump to continue as president. Because he can make the U.S. decline. And let China become the world leader. The United States is now like the era of the Qing Dynasty in China, close the country to international intercourse.
Time for America to play the victim again! China made us move our ship, waaaahhhh... We put tariff on China, and China put tariff on us, waaaahhhh.... We tour up the Paris Climate Accord, tour up the Iran Nuclear agreement, but want everyone else to obey and they are not waaaahhh. I do what I want, do what I want, waaaahhhhh.
Trump and his team doesn't want fair, he wants the world to give into every one of his demands and put America first while trying to convince his base that the whole world takes advantage of poor, victimized USA. He's so full of shit.
Trump is devoid of:
- any curiosity or desire to learn.
- an innate sense of self-worth that doesn't require the universal praise and admiration of others.
- the ability to speak aspirationally. Everything he says to motivate his base is dowsed in hate, fear, and blame directed toward the collective "other."
- a core belief system.
- the ability to control even his worst impulses.
- basic human empathy. For decades, he's bragged about destroying the lives of those who dare to disagree or bend to his will.
- the ability to process interactions and situations beyond his solipsistic bubble of self-advancement and self-aggrandizement.
- knowledge about almost everything not relating to himself.
- the ability to rationally evaluate any view or opinion counter to his own.
- the capability to trust others. Everyone is a potential enemy in his paranoid mind.
- the ability to accept culpability for any situation. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault, ALWAYS.
From this animation《Legend of the Galactic Heroes》You will know what will happen next, everything is going according to the script. When a national leader encourage nationalism and racial superiority, especially in a multi-ethnic country, more of these things will happen. Trump‘s behavior is exactly the same as Legend of the Galactic Heroes, he said we are victimized, others are wrong. In order to collect more votes, everyword is to create enemies, hatred, and even war.
China is truly democratic. Every one can be an politician if you pass the exams and after training you have the chance to be a president.
America and Taiwan's people only have one ballot. You can't participate in the election if you have no money. Then look at Trump. Can he lead the United States? May be not. Because he is only a businessman, and bankruptcy three times, no rules for doing things. And The country cannot bankrupt at all. And now he only thinks his Votes and Polls.
The Western media controlling people’s thinking from centuries ago use democratic. But do you know the earliest democracy was put forward by communism? In the past, the West said only freedom no democracy because this will be enemy communist. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, The westen now took the slogan of democracy and brainwashing people just like Christianity centuries ago.
This is how Chinese and people in the west different. Chinese experienced thousand years history which shaped them much more realistic than people in the west. Chinese only see ideology as the instrument to help them build the nation-state and lead the country to become prosperous. However, even nowadays there are so many people in the west still hold strong cold war ideology. It seems like they never learn the lessons from the history, especially the Americans, they are repeating the history again and again, although they have so many world-class political and social experts. Like many other countries in the world, China suffered a lot from the western invasion in the past 200 years. That's why when China became the world second largest economy and third largest military power, it didn't invade any other country. Not like the Americans spread their ideology and war globally, China is investing and helping other countries to develop their own economy. But the Chinese investment certainly damages the western interests, so they start to demonize the Chinese investment and brainwash people say China is a threat, is an evil blblbl...
If you have been to China, you will know that the western mainstream media is so bias, everything when it comes to China has to be politically correct. That's why you can see an interesting fact that the collapsing China never collapses.
That's why you can hear a lot about how Xi is dangerous and a dictator, 【but you will never hear what he says: 'Building a community with a shared future for mankind is in essence to connect the prospects and destinies of every nation and country closely together' from western mainstream media.】 Hope we can all be friends rather than the enemy.
@Master Wong 观视频大本营就是B站啊，至于腾讯土豆定位是娱乐视频，你应该去今日头条看这类政论新闻和视频
The best reply I've seen so far is: a group of ducks are lecturing a fish how to swim in the water
remarkable
中華民國對所有反共炎黃世冑們都好的不得了！因為她會讓所有反共國民擁有超過毛毛3倍的年均收入，她會給反共國民全世界價廉最好的醫療健康保險，她會提供給 所有反共國民全世界最適宜人居的國度：安全、友善、方便、熱情的幫助，她不會要所有反共的國民為獨裁者血肉築墳墓，子子孫孫不需要成天生活在喊打喊殺，或真的去和他國打打殺殺的情境之下，於是在好醫療不打仗，完全不會有絕子絕孫的情形發生，自己打拚賺到的錢只屬於自己和家庭，絕不會像：馬雲、王健、王健林、陳小魯、吳小暉、栁傳志、陳良宇………等富人一樣懷財遇害落得家破人亡白忙一輩子，成果財富都進全到習屁癲那種人的口袋和褲檔裏，重新再打回世代皆一窮二白三餐難濟的苦日子裏。
「仁者無敵」，中華民國行仁政民作主，若中國交還給民國來治理，則等同將在台灣的一些傑出傲世成就放大60倍，那樣毛毛想想看，會是什麽樣的局面啊？什麼樣的場景呢？
可以想像，世界知名大軟硬體電子公司的董事長CEO都是中華民國籍或中國裔人士出任，站在美國總統身後的內閣成員十個有四個是有中華民國背景的閣員，兩岸整個中國都如同台灣一樣，被世界知名旅遊雜誌，嘉評為全球最適宜人居的國度，中華民國的世一強全民醫療健康保險制度同樣澤被十四億陸民，乃大幅提升陸民的醫療照護品質和在醫療花費上的支出，讓北京上海廣州等一個個一二三線城市的街廓看不到垃圾和垃圾桶，所搭乘的地鐵如同台灣的捷運一樣整潔有序，從而讓陸民立刻從廉航的座位陡升到豪華貴賓艙座席一樣驕傲一樣自豪，不再有陸民機上搶位走道拉屎拉尿，還廣受全球70億外國人的廣泛尊敬，連：美國、日本、德國、英國、義大利、印度……的各國元首頻頻奔馳於中華民國首都南京，跪求世界最先進的奈米晶元片，中國完全不需要大花錢收買他國外交，不需要核武飛航潛來虛張聲勢不斷冒黑煙被他國來穿插航母艦隊，況且不要說內蒙還會不停鬧獨立，甚至外蒙古看到民國的好也自動重新要求回歸中國。
Totally agree!
@@allenpoon7745 你怎么还没有感染新冠病毒。感觉你也快差不多了 , 小台北蒋介石在下面向你招手
顽固不化腐朽没落，不敢正视现实垂死的西方人
张教授的一个观点我强烈赞同“宗教就是宗教，是你个人的信仰与生活，宗教不能干预政治。” 一百个赞同
宗教应该世俗化
宗教更不能过分影响生活。达赖喇嘛利用宗教奴役人民就必须解放
@@maguisk5144 达赖在西藏还没解放前，就是西藏最大奴隶主
宗教如果成了精神枷锁，就不是宗教了，是邪教
民主是在非暴力情况下换掉一个政府？请问伊拉克是通过非暴力换掉一个政府的吗？
Some participants in the debating know nothing about China, I have travelled China before many times, it has been changing better and better . I support Prof Chang. well done
Do you still think this today? Housing crash, zero covid policy for years, political centralisation and government purges to help Xi stay in power for a 3rd term, economic decline and less political freedom than under Hu.
What a lie, you commented this video back in 2020-21 when the Hong Kong protests were happening, when zero covid were getting in effect, you likely traveled to a China under Hu not Xi. It's getting more authoritarian and hateful of foreigners such as yourself.
The lady is clearly not an intellectual, at most she's an activist, but clearly not on the same level as the other guests.
老外里面只有保加利亚教授比较客观，美国海军司令虽然偏执但是也算是个有一定罗辑思维的人，其他都是偏执狂
SUMIN CHENG 一群垃圾
人家说的很客观，这个视频上的翻译乱翻照顾美国政府情绪吗？其实没有什么关系的。我不会英文，只懂一点点。
@@joychen9369 哪里翻译乱？
JinFX 16：44之处
@@joychen9369 15:58 开始是有点乱，主要是他说话会突然中间插一句，他反观美国放弃库德族跟干预伊拉克来表示现在我们对权力、能力的认识不全。
Keep this in mind: When westerners, especially Americans, talk about "human rights" they only mean THEIR rights and never YOUR rights.
When they say right to livers, it means their own right to decide which one should live or die. - George Carlin
我觉得有时候应该把政客和学者的观点区分开…
so you mean they don't see people from other country as humen being?
@@dsd8678 the labour is enough for them They won't see that another country arise up to take those existing developed country's resource.“U can develop but under control”.
@@user-pf3yp2fx1d 每個國家的內部聲音都一致啦
According to this French’s closing statement, Professor Zhang is a great person because he has the courage to speak in front of a table of so-called mainstream mind influencers. 😀
张教授说的真好~
理智.客观.现实.自信.有骨气!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
看到张维为在国外小丑式的表演，我就放心了
保加利亚嘉宾最客观，美国嘉宾最实际，阿拉伯女人和法国男人最浅薄，看不到问题的本质，且善于臆想。
同感同感，正好说明了法国还沉浸在自己是欧洲老大哥的梦中，阿拉伯的执拗偏激，或者说这两个家伙本身就不中立。
@@zhulong2483 他是沉醉在路易十六的年代
同意，美国那位有些话还是能听的
阿拉伯女人简直是无知到极限，这种人也能上得了台面？真是降低这个节目的质量
@@user-kk8dx6pb2u 她的头衔就是“活动家”，如果把活动家简单分成两种 一种更现实 另一种更偏执，现实者更像是政治家，偏执者更像是宗教狂热，她显然是是第二种 甚至实际表现出了对政教合一体制的向往。。。一个深度西化的女性高知型穆斯林白左？？？
2020的伪民主浪潮退去，谁在裸泳，一目了然！！！本人30岁见证了2020年的巨变！希望我的祖国，摒去浮躁，扎扎实实，以人为本，大同盛世！
我31，我觉得自己能活在这个时代的中国，乃上下300年之幸，目标是星辰大海。这些欧美暴发强盗脑子太僵化，带不动。
@@fhxak2004 👍👍👍
跟你一样。一个想法
欧美人太自以为是了，忽视自己国内的事情，而去关心别的国家事情，他们真的是这么好心吗？还是虚伪的自以为是？
kevin deng 民主对目前的🇨🇳不是急迫问题，但官民平等让人失望，希望真的公开公正公平
till now, I realized how difficult to communicate with those who select what they want to believe instead of facts. how sad !!!
Yea. Instead of facts, they prefer imagination.
看前先赞👍🏻
这个视频在两年前就看到过，我当时就有一个感觉一群饿狼在围攻一个老虎。很多教授自大又无知！
现在现在的现状，里面欧洲学者聊到的观点，被打脸了。
@@user-tx9ef1oy3s 👍👍👍
跟正常人讲道理，不正常的人不需要道理。该和善的时候一定要和善，千万别忍让，这些专家能说出中国5家主流媒体的名字吗，讨论中国民主？
张老师叫他们去中国网络上去看下。
这些教授对自己家媒体彻底信了。
They need go to China
Live same time to feeling China not just know China from news.
There are foreign academics in China, but they are ignored by the outside world. They only have influence in China. Lots of "journalists" live in China, but they spend their entire lives in a hotel room reading about China in English and watching foreign news. They will eat in the same restaurants as regular Chinese people and even bring their family to China, but they are blind to what's right under their nose and just parrot what has been said for decades. And the ones who write something different will end up without a job.
They can’t China sucks for they
内心压着那些比泰山还重的偏见，即使在中国生活也会找出千万种中国的不好。这样的例子现实社会中很多。太多的西方人拿着无知和偏见固执的给中国画上各种恶劣的标签。因为看到标签他们就会开心，现实的真相和他们根本无关，他们不在乎！
君子和而不同，小人同而不和
actually， they could easily know real China on UA-cam by the Chinese videoes
再一次为张教授点赞 国家需要这样的专家
张教授参与过好几届了，从早年我国刚发展时舆论场备受攻击到如今，很不容易了，现在好了，我们可以用更多的事实来证明了，其实我们国家仍然还是在不断的改革当中，当然也有可能再遇到问题或犯错，但是我相信我们是有纠错的能力的
他们根本不知道中国对少数民族的优待政策，也不想知道，只想享受自己的莫名其妙优越感，张口闭口“不要否定”，你tm瞎bb也不能否定还叫什么理性讨论
他们是根本就不相信。
西方的自由論：閉咀，我們在說言論自由。
这个女士不太适合在这个场合，她的水平有点太低了。
他们一个个张嘴闭嘴就是中国没有法律没有法治 没有民主没有人权 好像他们真的了解中国似的 视野太窄 偏见太深 意识形态中毒太重
对少数民族的优待政策，核心目的是什么？
這個辯論會的主題應該改成:《傲慢與偏見》，非常復合！
而且还是现场版
@@jkjoiqweiczl 👍👍👍
哈哈哈哈哈绝了
我觉得倒是像在围绕着讨论中美两国的问题
哈哈哈哈
其實我覺得保加利亞那大哥講的才是MVP，各種問題邏輯很清晰，而且笑裡藏刀，我笑著回答，一刀刀的都是扎你老美的心
所见略同！翻看了他其他很多访问和发表的文章，宝藏学者。
是的，问题剖析很强
Mvp
真正来辩论的只有张老师和保加利亚的学者
他讲的并不仅是美国的问题，而是强权的问题。习新的讲话听了嘛，我们跟美国是两艘巨轮了。
“I tell you ‘They are in despair’, they are in despair. “ I am the power, you don’t have a defense. That is the whole purpose of this round table.
张维为感觉文化功底最深厚。知识储量是其他人遥不不及的。逻辑还很严谨。
不是大佬的话能和一群西方学者辩论？
本质上，桌子上所有人都对中国有或多或少的偏见。
@@shishengni1013 我感觉是带着很大的偏见和傲慢在谈
如果有人问我中国是 公有制经济吗？我会毫不犹豫地说NO 中国是红二代的私人经济！例如故宫开大G。。。。。。？
Y X 哪都有你 复制粘贴不累么
@@AAAAAAAAA705😂那不就是跟美國一樣，大量財富集中在少數人
我保证如果现在中国和非洲一样，他们绝对各种美化和怜悯中国
美化非洲？你看youtube 非洲不也还是那个样子，yy出来的美化
应该说印度
这话说的有点偏颇，但是如果中国现在还威胁不到他们，老实为他看服务，肯定是一群人在夸中国
우에스기 데이 utterly Uesugi上杉蝶い 不是美化，但肯定充满怜悯。那样才能彰显其伟大。
看到西方国家的如此大的偏见，以及张教授的有智慧的辩驳，我觉得中国大有发展，作为海外的90后，我为祖国点赞。
不是偏见，是自大。
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈啊哈哈哈
中国那么好 你还在海外干什么 还不滚回去
这就是我们中国人的务实的自由了，可以根据自己发展需要。去世界各国留学，也可以移民，也可以依然挺直腰做中国人。我们中国政府还是很宽松的移民政策的，不过出去了，就不好回来了，得是特殊人才，才能回，比如运动健将，科技人才等。
@@Gjtwdyr 吃着西方国家红利，骂着西方国家，美其名曰务实，厚颜无耻的利己者，打着爱国旗号为自己脸上贴金牟利罢了
这视频现在看很有意思，十年看应该也很有意思，二十年后看应该更有意思。
实践会证明一切，他们会被打脸，现在就该已经感受到了那个落在2017年的辩论会上的巴掌
这个女人就是个可怜的人，自己可能经历过可悲的事情，却把自己的感情投射到所有她以为受到迫害的人身上，失去基本的判断能力。
哈哈对，歇斯底里的那种。她是阿拉伯之春的推动者之一，自己的罪太深只能靠骗自己
方方之流，自以为圣母
很明显她是来凑数的
感覺她嘴裡黏黏的，聽起來非常不舒服，中餐吃的什麼呀？
不是我性别歧视，这种场面搞个女人根本就不入流。我至今没有看见任何一个女性在国际场合跟人辩论气氛不尴尬的。
张教授真是舌战群愚啊，其实跟他们说事实讲道理也是白费力气，看它们傲慢的嘴脸，我觉得已没必要跟他们辩论下去！！！
带这群老年人去成都生活两个月他们就知道什么事人权了，他们所谓的人权我们中国人不需要，
像西方这些圈子其实无一不是讲究高高挂起。这才是他们真正与别人不一样的地方，他们的优越来源。要见怪不怪。
看到你傲慢的嘴脸，我也觉得…
@@butterflywoods4799 看到你这种傻逼嘴脸我也觉得。中国每年出境人次1.3亿，不喜欢可以离开，没人强迫你OK？注销你的国籍就250元，不会有人连250都拿不出来吧😜😜😜😜
还是要辩论的，起码声音讲出来，不然对于普通民众来说面对着所谓的“自由民主平等”和“人权”就只剩下一种声音最后就是洗脑
张维为教授是中国人的骄傲。支持张教授。
给张维为教授点赞~!
l found a fact, that so many educated Chinese people know western countries, and by contrast so few western really know China. Really knowing a country is to learn their language and to live there, which a lot of Chinese do, rather than reading the news or papers, which the most western do.
@Jo L 兩個中國人幹嘛用英文對話呢？
This is the reason why the west is falling.
2020:老子脸给你打烂
I left three long messages and one has already gone. What a perfect example of freedom of speech! This is the fourth message that I leave here for a note of message counting.
“Don’t attack my knowledge”
And you are all attacking & devaluing Professor Zhang’s knowledge. SMH.
大气！维为教授好样的！有理有据，言之有物，有力地驳斥了西方空洞虚伪、狂妄偏执的谬论。大涨中国人志气！满分！
@God Game 咋啦？给咱中国人丢脸啦？
张教授早年可是总设计师的贴身翻译，受到伟人的耳渲目染，这眼光果然不是正常人能比得上的
哪个总设计师？
@@user-rh4vg9bj4p 改革开放的总设计师，还能是谁？
@@user-rh4vg9bj4p 小平
离伟人称呼远着了，最多也就政委级
他能從總設計師身邊全身而退，還能到處吹牛，沒被低軟（低調軟禁），他要何等吹噓溜馬才會放心他人畜無害。
You didn’t give professor Chang enough time explaining his view ! In a summary, China with 1.4 billions in population and many minorities is running like a smaller scale if UN, but much more effective and efficiently.
张维教授了不起!! 为你点赞!!
一桌人可能就一位中国人，其余全是白人
确实，没看到黑人，没看到东南亚有色人种，没看到南美原住民
因为中国发展了，所以白人才勉为其难的听一听中国人讲话。其他地区、其他人种，白人连听都不想听
说的对，实力！这才是西方人认可的，他们讨论利比亚、叙利亚、伊拉克、缅甸，现场却没有一个这些国家的人，他们的谈论自以为是，那个法国佬认为现在混乱的叙利亚要好过之前独立稳定的叙利亚，那个女人也妄称中国在压迫穆斯林，张教授最后的忠告对这些傲慢的家伙毫无意义。
给我的感觉，固步自封，沉浸在自己的YY之中，像是大清朝的老顽固，他们（在场的老外）没几个人真正了解中国，不了解中国，说再多也没用。一个大块头（中国），不去了解他，那是把自己留在深渊之中
@@leliu1493精辟
气得站起来去倒水，我担心他气到跑就了不愿意回来✌(̿▀̿ ̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿)✌太没礼貌和教养了
是你太拘谨了
那个秃头气的站起来了 哈哈😄
I found that these people were still having the view of China as of 50 years ago!
totally agree
I think you have too many illusions about china in recent years. many critics people stated against china is true. but no one with real authority like weiwei has ever answered to those questions specifically. can people criticize gov without being retaliated in china?; can people select leaders they want and will leaders deliver their thoughts to and gain supports from people before they being elected?; can people reject if gov decided to take away their property? court, armed forces, education, and even the way through which people can report and supervise the gov are controlled by the party. to them, china is the party and the party is china. it is totally a dictatorship. have you heard what have just happened in some universities in nanjing this month??? they never talk about these. when people ask them, they always emphasize china is rich and powerful. but real thing is most people in china is poor. china has a large economy due to its large population. but what ironic is that when they thought the population is too large, they banned people from having more than one child, while they recently unbanned and started to encourage people to get three children simply for the good of national economy. lmfao
@@nakamototianzhong2638 I know that You have never been to China before! You've been cheated by the medias
@@nakamototianzhong2638 为什么你相信一个人的声音，为不相信十几亿人的声音，很奇怪？
@@fengshawn7544 人们只想听到他们想听到的声音。时间久了就以为那是真的。西方鼓吹自由开放，为何会害怕TikTok？😂一群伪君子假绅士，整天夸夸其谈，一无是处。
The French on the table: “I am older than you, I went to 100 countries, I went to many developed countries, I know what it means to them...” Professor Zhang:” Have you been to Xingjiang?” No answer from the French about this very question. The logic of the French：because the muslims are miserable in other developed countries. China is a developed country, so the Uighur In Xinjiang must be the same as what he saw in other countries. What a great and arrogant logic if he can’t show proof of physical visits over a period of time to Xingjiang. This world is fast changing, all the developed countries are also undergoing different stages of change being big or small. This Frenchman and other supposedly high intellectuals are living in their bubbles that this world never change. What they hear or see in the past never change.
nothing to do with france guy , just it is from west arrogance , hope all west people continue to sleep with snores, then after 30years some westerners will ask who covered the China to rise
The French guy's arrogance and ignorance well explain their being brainwashed, which create lots of problems for them for the long run.
Mental masturbation..not exactly Tao
支持张维为教授！！！！！！
2020年看这个视频就是一个切切地地的打脸视频啊
😂
我觉得打脸已经不足以形容了，应该用削头 形容
谁有那个法国人的脸书，我想去跳脸(ಡωಡ) 反向预测，最为致命
张教授完胜其它所有人总和，甚至英语，希望这样的辩论经常有，让他们自取其辱，为张教授👏👏👏👏，
以张教授的智慧、实力和涵养，其他几人不配跟他坐在一起。
主持人说到美国不干涉沙特时我笑了
这场辩论让我充分看到了欧洲学者的傲慢、无理以及落后，他们的论据还在十几甚至几十年前，他们根本就跟不上现代社会的脚步，尤其是中国发展的脚步（经济，政治，各行各业，各方各面）！
西方海盗文明，洗白了也是海盗。只认武力，你不打服他们，他们就会各种嘲讽你。
有没有那种西方人当年看清政府的既视感
辛Brian 有😂
这就是为什么他们要破败，而我们会崛起的原因！中国人最聪明，能自我修正，而西方人用一套理论就认为是普世真理，永远不用改变了。还要逼着别人一起走这套破败的理论！放心，中国没多少年就会超越他们了！
@@brianx2796 确实有 这些洋人太过自大傲慢无礼了
心疼张教授，太不容易了，用他们的语言，最大限度的表达自己的观点。
我看了好几遍，因为英语不好，只能看字幕，只想说，每个国家的国情不同，都有自己的历史，都有自己的文化，尊重其他国家的历史和文化是自己强大的基础，中国改革开放四十多年以来，就是本着尊重他国，学习他国，努力改善自身不足和缺点才取得了今天小小的成绩，来之不易啊。社会稳定对中国来说太重要了，人民需要安定的生活，国家需要不断的发展，没有稳定的社会秩序都无从谈起。
中国与各国合作都是本着互惠互利的双赢原则，从来不会强加给别国什么条件。中国哲学智慧‘和为贵’。中庸之道。
我们承认中国现阶段仍然还存在这样或那样的问题，这是发展中不可避免的，未来发展过程中还会出现其他问题，我们相信执政者和中国人民有智慧解决这些问题，也欢饮世界各国给我们建设性的意见或建议，中国是个包容的国家。
建议张教授以后不要参加这种论坛了，跟一帮都没有来过中国，也没在中国生活过，也不会说中国话，还称自己了解中国的人讨论中国问题，纯属浪费口舌。毕竟事实胜于雄辩，没有调查就没有发言权。我觉得中国还是应该集中精力发展自己，不要分神。对那些莫须有的指责就统一回复，邀请他们来中国实地考察，如果买不起机票中国人民可以赞助。😀
我觉得中国的学者专家更应该多出席这种有意义的论坛…现中国需要这种有见识，又自信的学者在国际舞台上为中国和中国人民站台…让不了解也不理解中国的外国人更好的去知道并了解中国和中国人民，一次不够二次，二次不够三次，三次不够继续…要想纠正一些“老古董”的观念是需要时间和勇气的👍
你是被洗脑太深，共产党勾结日本人夺权，49年后害死几千万人，还有64屠杀，清零无数人被活活搞死，你视而不见，中国人靠不计代价的劳动创造的财富你却归功于共产党，没有共产党，中国早已是民主繁荣的国度，是共产党束缚了中国的发展，所有问题都是共产党造成，他不是解决问题，而已制造灾难
@@user-tw8mi1wd5o 轮子收收味吧，决定哪天自焚啊？
张维为教授太有远见了，他关于公共秩序和美国民主的论述今天看完去准确，2020验证了他的观点，我相信如果今天他们坐在一起，这些所谓的教授决定不好意思发表他们的这些观点，至少不能这么理直气壮！
未必，他们可能会找借口，哈哈哈
2020年现实已经回答了这些学者提出的问题。。。
这还不够，，，想把他们叫醒，西方“美丽的风景线”最好天天有
说到底,这些西方学者嘴里的人权,还不就是分配问题,实现共产主义啊!答案就在这里!
It's funny to see these comments by Chinese users before and after 2020, do you realise how important freedom is now? How a government unaccountable to it's people can just lock you up without your consent? Force you to lose your job and life for years. The CCP social contract with the people is simple, economic growth for political legitimacy, now the economy is declining and slowing down, what will the people do? You can't elect someone else.
那位女士竟然首推达赖，真的让我大开眼界，想问问，知不知道达赖的农奴主生活是一种什么样的存在，你了解西藏吗？你知道西藏在哪吗？
那位女士 典型就是一个无知的 井底之蛙。
這個傻婆: 還說達賴 說佛陀在世 必定救 羅興亞人， 那麼 達賴 是騙回來的 法王， 完全不懂佛陀思想。 佛教思想 認為 這是羅興亞人的業障 ，就算用神通 亦不能解救 此劫。 還是業力 必定要 受， 而且 佛陀 在世 教導弟子 不能參與政治， 亦 不能與當時的政權對抗， 這樣佛法才能千秋萬世地傳落去， 所以中國從來沒有政教之爭 。達賴喇嘛 只係一個騙子！
@@waikuenli9042 卧槽，活捉一只专家，牛!有水平!
@@dipperzhao8306 在中國文化知識水平裏面 我只是 皮毛 西方國家 從來都是強盜 邏輯 只是近 兩個世紀 國運興隆 發達起來但思想文化水平 還是一神論 唯我獨尊嘅意識 依然沒有改變 近幾十年來 懂得包裝 用普世價值人權民主 矇騙世人 興兵打完你嗰國家 你國家人民還要感謝他們 近20年 更上一層樓 學會金融掠奪 比老千更高明 騙 盡 全世界 但是 無論他們用什麼手段 始終未能勝過中國 所以深深不忿 所以近幾年來 任何事情都 甩鑊 於 中國 但那又如何呢 中國國運 由1987年 開始 將會有200年的興盛 加上中國 幾千年嘅文化 懂得忍辱負重 現今習近平主席 是500年而出一位聖人 必定能帶領中國 走上復興之路
@@dipperzhao8306 你只要记住佛教讲究 受苦，用自己的高品格来感化对方，让对方感到内疚，意识到自己的错误，从而达到普渡众生的目的。。。耶稣是来救人的，而佛是来渡人的。我的一些拙见。
这娘们反驳说，不要指责我不了解中国，我要笑死了。她这么说的时候，不心虚吗
辛苦張教授呀❗
远离污染的权利，我笑了。您还真是知行合一啊，知道污染不好所以到其他国家殖民，很棒
这个就是自己爽过了然后告诉别人要带套. 西方人一如既往的虚伪
说的没错啊，人家真的远离污染了，把垃圾用集装箱运到中国可不就远离垃圾了嘛。可是他们忘了，最脏的垃圾是人，是一脑子垃圾的人，这些垃圾人他们可都留在西方了，这才是最好的。
中国禁止洋垃圾后最急的就是这些发达国家，怕不是他们出口垃圾的权利比中国人民健康要更正义，更民主。
古有诸葛亮舌战群儒，今有张维为所向睥睨，用你们的语言跟你们辩论，思维迅速，口语一流，引经据典，不是一般的牛，被你圈粉了
张先生绝对修养，我的小心脏啊哈哈
Wanna hear something fun? I, as a "westerner", had to watch this debate on this chinese channel because here is behind a paywall. Check the english version link in the description, video is hidden. To watch it, you're suppoused to pay 10€ to Nexus Institute. Just gives a broader perspective to the debate.
hh interesting. but climbing the wall in china is illegal and still have to pay a lot per year for vpn.
@@kennyx4523 In fact, this video can be watched for free at any time on Chinese streaming platforms
在2020年这时再看这视频，简直既好笑又讽刺。
2022年再看更好笑，諷刺到極點
2024年观看，更是讽刺到极点😂
Room full of white elites and 1 asian yeah ok good talk
😂
This is western style.
1 Asian could handle 5 Caucasian. It is like you need 5 cpus to achieve the same processing power of a single Asian cpu.
😆😆😆 that's how they present democracy, fair and freedom 😆😆😆
Like Chinese kungfu movie, one Chinese resist several westerners.
These intellectuals should read Lee Kuan Yew's books on how to build a nation! ....you need to apply the concept pragmatically and not demand that the rest of the WORLD should worship Democracy blindly. The first and most basic of the RIGHT is the Right to be SAFE, access to water, sanitation, education etc... Not to be shot or stabbed when you're walking the street at night in your neighbourhood ....
Message # 5, it is extremely hard to make people really listen to Mr. Zhang when they have been accepting framed ideology of what China is or in other words when they have had stereotype imprinted in their mindset.
now we have to ask: why there is no black?
lol the black is out of the door there is human right problem
They're fighting for ventilators！！
because the black didnt make progress like Chinese
😂
😂
前排沙发恭候张教授👍
感谢中文翻译，收获颇多
非常欣赏这位主持人，把控全场，适时引导，非常轻松的主持。海军司令的观点也让人印象深刻，质疑方式让人悦耳，所提的问题也非常诚恳，虽然没有得到正面的回答。还希望坐在那里的中方代表是眉山剑客，剑出鞘必见血。
Ever since I was a child, my perception of the West has been freedom, equality, tolerance and respect.But today I am very disappointed to see that their views on the political system different from their own are totally different from my expectations of equality, tolerance, respect and so on.That's hypocritical.
中國人的第二次“覺醒”。。。“西方文明”在私人資本主義走入絕境是時候，看到的是中國人的崛起和沙漠裡阿拉伯人的杜拜。其實，是西方人在憂慮擔心；中國人在探討和建設。。。中國人要團結，好好建設國家。不要著急。。。一定要建設精神文明。做一個富足的世界文化巨人。
這個世界。沒用文化，再有錢。。。也沒人瞧得起。早晚完蛋！
I have the same feeling with u. I'm really disappointed about the western
@@Alice-dx5eo Hypocrisy
They are quite hypocrisy but they feel no shame on themselves.
@@Alice-dx5eo I am a Chinese, I also agree with you.
为张维为教授点赞👍👍👍👍👍
看到张维为在国外小丑式的表演，我就放心了
誰ですか❓偉そうに言わないで下さい❣️
Zhang and Eric Li has done this. 1 person VS All of them, debating them in their own language. What an embarrassment to the rest.
這個世界就好像一個課室,近年來中國學生經常攞到很高的分數,所以外國同學話你作弊,但是這位中國學生回答了所有考試時的問題,最後考到第一名.
隔段时间就放出来一次，每一次都有新的实践证明张教授的观点正确性。
这可真是，一个很好的辩论啊
在另一个英文版下面看到一条最多点赞的评论，中文意思是：一群鸭子正在给一条鱼上课教他怎么游泳。
红红火火恍恍惚惚哈哈哈哈哈
有链接吗？
@@swiftlu145 ua-cam.com/video/vT4z4TCf4uk/v-deo.html
败者两字非傲即懒 ？
鴨子教魚游水？
俺解讀是，魚游的不好的話就被鴨子嘴巴吃到了！
@@user-pd3np2wi6c 对不起 ，是鳄鱼
@@ianli7714 no,是年轻的鲸鱼
好比喻古有諸葛亮，舌戰群儒咁精彩🤩🤩🤩
在为张国师叫好的同时，请问中国能引进这样的辩论吗？能直播吗？
b站上不是可以免费看？
这位法国老人的思维逻辑是法国人的代表吗？如果是，那么法国危险了。
着名反华学者
你把那个“吗”去掉，是的，你想的没错，法国绝大部分知识分子真就这个认知水平了，普通民众嘛，呵呵......除了蝼蚁，没有什么是被外力打倒的，多数情况下是自己弄死了自己。
Kulty Auto 法国人的水平都这么差劲吗😅
@@thinkmore8140 整个欧洲 北欧更甚
这个人的最新言论是为灯塔国辩护认为此国不需要为此次舆情负责， 还说无论怎样民主国家都会处理得更好。twitter.com/bfmtv/status/1270827601758752772
被人评说“On t'a rien demander, reste sous le lit” - 没人问你的意见，继续在床底下呆着。 “On invite encore des déchets de l'humanité en direct ?!” - 为何我们还在邀请这个人渣上节目？！
I think this lady's speech may be limited by her depth of knowledge
主題應是"张维为舌战群愚"或" 张维为舌战群獸"
这个研讨会不是研讨大国担当，而是彻头彻尾所谓西方民主价值对中国指手画脚，规则是它们定的，不合它们意就要批判你。
太阳出来，就不需要灯塔了
When you spoke all the flowery sentences and beautiful quotes, have you forgotten about the fundamentals? Why the Kurds fought the ISIS fiercely? it is not for freedom, it is to protect their way of life for their people. When they don't want to live the way the ISIS live, have you ask the question whether they want to live the way Americans or Europeans live? That is the reason why the refugees couldn't integrate into Europe society. You always think that people want to live like you and that is the most undemocratic way of thinking. The governments of the west are losing their power because they think that everyone wants to live like them. Come down from the moral high horse please.
Commoners like us don't spend two seconds on thinking how to govern, we spend our time thinking of how to improve our lives. Western politicians just think too much and do too little. Just mere 40 years ago China's problem is starvation and how to feed a 1 billion population. 40 years later you are asking to move up so many levels for self esteem on a 1.4 billion population, how many revolutions westerners have been through to get to this stage. And sad to say, all the revolutions still led to two world wars of massacres of good innocent people who don't know what they are fighting for.
Beware of what you are wishing for, if China goes into revolution and starts a third world war, it would be the end of the world. It is better to keep China as it is, if they succeed, they did it their way. If they fail, naturally they would reduce their population. Trying to act like god don't make you god. Playing god is the most foolish thing to do.
"Playing god is the most foolish thing to do." is hard for the west, because they really think they are god.
当您讲完所有华丽的句子和优美的语录时，您是否忘记了基础知识？ 为什么库尔德人与ISIS进行激烈的战斗？ 这不是为了自由，而是为了为人民保护他们的生活方式。 当他们不想以ISIS的生活方式生活时，您是否问过他们是否想以美国人或欧洲人的生活方式生活？ 这就是难民无法融入欧洲社会的原因。 您始终认为人们希望像您一样生活，这是最不民主的思维方式。 西方国家的政府正在失去权力，因为他们认为每个人都想像他们一样生活。 请从道德高高的马上下来。 像我们这样的平民百姓无需花两秒钟时间去思考如何治国，而是花时间去思考如何改善生活。 西方政客只是思考太多而做得很少。 就在40年前，中国的问题是饥饿以及如何养活10亿人口。 40年后，您要求在14亿人口的自尊心上提升这么多的水平，西方人已经经历了多少次革命才能达到这一阶段。 而痛心地说，所有的革命仍实现良好的无辜者的大屠杀两次世界大战谁也不知道他们在战斗。 当心您的期望，如果中国发动革命并发动第三次世界大战，那将是世界的尽头。 最好保持中国现状，如果他们成功了，他们就会按照自己的方式做。 如果他们失败了，他们自然会减少人口。 试图像上帝一样行事，不要让你成为上帝。 扮演上帝是最愚蠢的事情。 😄👍
三观好正的人。
@@x6x893 。。。 而痛心地说，西方那么多次的革命还是制造了两次世界大战导致许多不知道为什么而战的无辜者被屠杀牺牲。。。
@@OnMusicSoon1 这就是人类的悲哀，也许上仓已经注定了人类必须如此，过上好日子有百样种，极端的有两种，一种是创造财富，另一种是掠夺财富，我说的是精神方面的，科技先进意味着更方便掠夺，科技只是工具，过上好日子是最终目的，创造与掠夺才是发展道路的本质区别。
Notice the West holds China to such a high standard that it itself never came anywhere half close to?? Lol
感觉之前李世默的座谈讲得更好
保加利亚那位的解说能力很强、思想很明确，感觉他很会说西方社会和理论，只可惜他不被主持等人重视，或许他过于
抽象或举例不对那些人胃口。
美国的表达能力不行，很多废话，但是思路正确。他对现在海量信息和传言速度的判断是对的，基本上现在人人都先摸到象鼻就不去看像耳朵了，听到一点什么就直接下意识反应而不顾后果也不寻找相关信息。他说各国应先改良自己国内，对外需要谨慎、确认出路后果、三思而后行。尤其在美国这种思路非常罕见。
法国佬就是典型的象牙塔，饱读史书，走遍天下，一无所知。
教授说的很多东西我因为长期观看也没有觉得新鲜，但是观众倒是鼓掌了。在座的都因为过于深入这领域，所以无法想象不同的概念。
其他二位维瑞内拉、阿拉伯只能说低级。
@@cy1050 自高所以在民间也看不见，他真的走遍天下的，然而依然在背课文。
保加利亚人几句话说得的确很有水平。法国人理想主义太严重。美国人毕竟是军人出生实用主义。阿拉伯女人：你们要重视穆斯林啊，你们不能歧视穆斯林啊，穆斯林的地位要提高啊，和其他人不在一个level。
维为教授辛苦了！
Moderator is already inherently biased against the new power China. Everyone taking pot shots against china’s political system which they seem entirely comfortable with surprisingly with the exception of the American. Might as well rename this nexus forum - “is China political system preferred or not”
Secondly are the French doing well both politically, morally and economically ?
The Middle East is fighting amongst themselves and they bother about racial tensions in north China? There is neither a slaughter or massacres happening there? The Rohingya has nothing to do with the Chinese.
A bunch of hypocritical western academics a whom have no idea how to solve their own countries problem. Yet they take pot shots at others
殖民非洲的时候，抢夺非洲资源的时候，从没尊重非洲人权，拿走8成利润，剩百分之二十给非洲分的时候人权在哪里！怎么做到有脸在这谈大道理的？
Just because you have been to Xinjiang once does not mean you are qualified to comment on Xinjiang! You have to go many times, keep a constant eye on Xinjiang, and do in-depth understanding. I haven't been back to my hometown in years and I don't even know the way. Xinjiang in China is also constantly developing and getting better and better. It's a pity that you don't know the latest situation in Xinjiang. You mention Xinjiang not because you really care but just because you need a reason to attack China!
38:15 辛苦了張教授,面對這種對中國帶有偏見的主持人,還能保持理性討論,為你點讚 !
我觉得不是偏见，而是他们觉得中国还停留在毛的时代
张教授成功将本来对中国持中间立场的人全刺激成反对立场了，导致后面他自己被围攻，太张扬了，典型的战狼。比如那个法国教授本来还算客观，对中国文化也尊重，硬生生被张战狼攻击的要站在强烈反对中国的立场。主持人是不客观，你合理适度的辩解就行了，没必要攻击其他人。中国现在在世界上被围攻，不也是一样的原因吗？韬光养晦不好吗？闷声发大财不好吗？
@@uhub3045 韬光养晦了这么多年了，你觉得这个国际环境下你还能闷声发大财吗？我很尊重你的观点，但是所谓的言论自由难道就是大家坐在桌子上所谓的中立立场其实也掩盖不出他们阴阳怪气的客观。你觉得这是客观吗，这就像桌子上坐了那么多人，批斗你爸用所谓的正义来“客观”评论，你难道还不能为你爸妈说两句？所谓辩论就是有正反观点，在如今的媒体环境下，中国的观点和声音确实很小，但是如果所谓的发声也被你说成战狼的话其实是陷入一种恶性循环。另一个例子，海外华人韬光养慧这么多年了，为什么黑人去闹一下就能引起所谓的共鸣，而华人作为少数族裔却不能很好的保护自己的权益呢？刻板印象不是说你啥也不说人家就能明白你的。近年来北美（因为我在北美）对中国人歧视我认为有所升温，你觉得韬光养护人家就能觉得你好了？we should say sth to fight against the sterotype. 他的表达方式确实很有攻击性，我认为但是我觉得适当的攻击性并不代表战狼哦，这些问题同时反映中宣部的工作要做得更好了。
@@uhub3045 政治舆论正是中国这几年所缺乏的，你看看香港台湾的年轻人被蒙骗成什么样了。
@@user-nn1ns2dg8q 這些西方所謂的學者專家只是一群坐井觀天的蛙族而已。
整场就那个保加利亚的有点知识含量。还有他旁边的稍差一点。其他根本是垃圾。张维维教授舌战群儒，牛逼
沒錯，一個這麼高級別的討論，竟然水準這麼低，抹黑、造謠丶優越感丶傲慢⋯⋯，沒有什麼實質的料，可悲！中國代表只能不停呈清解釋，搞得都上火了，還要克制住，這些西方學者⋯⋯唉！
那个美国老头是有水平的，而且比较理性和开发，城府比较深。保加利亚的那个虽然点到问题了，但是说的太表面了 没有深度。其他人都是被洗脑的，一直人权 宗教，他们根本不懂达赖喇嘛是啥，美国那个老头就不说这些虚伪的
真替张教授难过，还能笑出来实在是心理太强大了，修养够高的
Why did the French old man bring up Rohingya? That's a Myanmar issue. What has it got to do with China?
佩服张维维教授
好好的辩论，后面全变成了指责中国的人权问题，心疼张教授舌战群儒
确实浪费了大部分时间。
张教授有一点咄咄逼人了。他自己也意识到了。
@Dennis 👍👍👍
应该叫舌战群侏儒
他国人权好否看看就可以了，面对质疑时我们该查出真相然后公开处理，我们每每反驳或者去指着他国无意，让他国做他的，我国也要靠自己做好自己的。很多人分不清民主跟普选，民安跟人权，在座的有几个能分解，可惜场景混乱，而且主持人跟做演讲的法国佬都弱智。
看张教授的表情，我看到他面对一群蠢货的无助和无奈。
是一群智者对一头猪的无奈和无助
不学无术张维为
如果有人问我中国是 公有制经济吗？我会毫不犹豫地说NO 中国是红二代的私人经济！例如故宫开大G！！！！！！！！！
I watched the short version of Prof.Zhang first, then came here to watch the full version.
It was a total waste of my time. I fast-forwarded when others talk their bs.
这个频道和底下的评论是粉红集中营吗？？
终于让我看到一个正常人的评论，这个视频在我看来是丢中国人的脸，却被一群人叫好。作为邓小平翻译却连保加利亚哥的玩笑都没听出来，我真臊得慌
我靠，要粉张weiwei了，太厉害了！
看完真的很生气啊，给张维为老师一个安慰的拥抱，真的很厉害了👍 我们新一代中国的年轻人，会用行动和事实继续打脸这些傲慢愚蠢的sb们的，实事求是，与时俱进，中国用实力教你做人🇨🇳
看的时候生气，看完倒是坦然了。这些人都是各国的精英知识分子，竟然对中国的情况如此陌生，所有的认知都来自于媒体报道，可想而知其他的普罗大众对中国对东方的认知多么浅薄。西方这样的样子，看似包容开放，但却固守己见，已经没有学习的动力和可能了，思维的固执一定会导致落后，所以你看完应该对中国的崛起更有信心了，因为他们的固执已经断送了他们自我革新的道路，而中国革新从未间断！！而且我有一个大胆的预测，一旦中国真的发展成为了美国现在的实力，以中国的道德水准和处世哲学和智慧，要比现在的西方更加开放包容，历史上我们一贯如此。现在不那么开放是因为人强我弱，而且人家还是带着刀子等你开放就要你命，我们不能也不敢开放而已
@@xwgao3734 现在他们就和清末一样心态
他们的傲慢，对我们来说有什么不好吗😏
Jinhai Lin 如果不需要和他们合作交流，不需要贸易往来，不需要建设人类命运共同体的话，他们的傲慢对我们来说也没什么不好的。如果真的如我上面所假设的那样，我们照样过得好自己的生活，太阳照常升起。问题是，现实是这样的吗？
@@shx9907 那不行那不是闭关锁国吗？中国需要跟他们合作强大起来，有一个人类命运共同体。就像古代不管怎么打仗，大家想的是一同天下，我们有天下这个概念，我们认为都是一个天下的人，所以中国才会没有种族歧视，从而促使人类进步。
这个剪辑过？
张教授讲完大家热烈鼓掌
This lady did not even know any reality but using her own knowledge from western media to judge Chinese people's life， it is so ridiculous.
我对当今政治体制的愚见：1.民主是假的，权利是真的。西方式的民主，尽管近些年来已走下神坛，但对发达国家人民赋予的权利是实实在在的，至于人民拥有这些权利对于国家的未来，他们子孙的未来是好是坏还未可知。但是拥有以前没有的东西当然是一种进步；2.贫困国家获得西式民主绝对是灾难。因为西式民主的本质是内部掣肘，对于国家政策落实具备重大阻力，落后国家很难获得长足发展；3.西方对非西式民主政治的傲慢的核心来源于权利的对比，即我有的你们居然没有，这肯定是落后和荒蛮体制的体现：比如言论自由，但是他们从来不去考虑别人是否拥有其他，以及如果涉及生存，安全，温饱，发展，言论自由，投票权利等取舍或者顺序问题；
世界的真相：弱肉强食。西式民主的推广来源于冷战两大体制的对比，西式民主的优越性的深入人心来源于苏联解体和西式民主代表国家的发达性。其实他们的发达性和他们推广的体制关联不大，仅仅是意识形态竞争的武器罢了。假设今天的世界，不再有共产红色，全是西式民主，老牌发达国家对新崛起国家的国家意识竞争的着力点换一个罢了。也就是换个说法，然后你每天看到的报纸电视网络新闻报道又是其他的他国问题罢了，取决于谁控制更多话语权。因为按照绝对的市场经济和全球化发展，最终会导致贫困地区人均收入上升，发达地区人均收入停滞甚至下降，资本积累加速，最终世界人均收入均衡。听起来很合理，但毕竟是世界各国，并非地球村，整体的发展红利当然不如博弈挖对方的红利多。所有这背后只有一个：国家竞争。特朗普只是扯掉了西方民主国家的遮羞布，大家就先收起那些脆弱而好听的玻璃梦，拿起菜刀守护各自的家庭吧。世界大同留给百年后更聪明的后人们来实现吧
你说了那么多我一句话打你的脸！---毛泽东死之前为什么中国那么凄惨？
1.民主是假的，权利是真的，这句话真没看懂。再解释一下吧。2.贫苦南非的民主革命虽然缓慢艰难，但是由于悉心地呵护，现在变得非常成功，并没有出现别国的民主倒退现象，遑论灾难。反过来讲，贫困国家在非民主体制下，照样发生了很多灾难，比如卢旺达大屠杀，南非种族隔离等。所以，单凭制度就可以造成某个国家性灾难吗？3.傲慢与否，和制度本身的优劣有关联吗？？权利的顺序？你确定权利是有顺序的？难道不是交错的、并行的吗？权利应该是互相支撑的。比如，你所谓排第一的生存权，难道不需要言论自由的保护吗？比如：当你的食物不安全、居住地污染严重、官员鱼肉你，这时难道不需要用言论自由权来捍卫你的生存权吗？而当你举报了，却遭到报复了，你这时又要开始运用人身安全方面的权利了。
当今世界穷国家就应该跟美国搞好关系，获得资金和技术支持才能摆脱贫困，一个独裁国家是很难与美国做朋友的
文山 经济发展主要靠技术和资金，以及法治保障，所以邓小平也说回头看世界，跟美国关系好的经济都发展的不错！
@@AAAAAAAAA705 你反驳我干嘛？我的意思和你一样啊
今天这个时候再看感觉好打脸西方那些专家，挺爽的。😂😂😂