First before Columbus - The True Discoverers of America | History Documentary
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- To many, Columbus is the man who discovered America. Yet, there had been others before him. Following their tracks takes us from the mythical Isle of Thule to the valleys of Wales and to the shores of a once magnificent empire in West Africa. It’s a story of colourful legends and bold seafarers who left behind a vexing puzzle of archaeological and historical data. It’s the story of the first before Columbus.
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I live in Alaska. Point Hope, in NW Alaska on the Bering Strait, has been continuously inhabited for 15,000 years. The Aleutian Islands were populated by seafaring ancestors of the Unangan people 25 000 years ago. So if we're going to talk about what happened before Columbus we need to mention that the Americas had been populated for thousands of years before he arrived.
Duh. 🤪
When Hoi-Sin explored the Aleutians, he found resident populations who painted themselves blue.
Its about the west came to America.
And yes: We can back 20.000 - 25.000
15 years ago the white amaticans instead in max 10.000.
Absolutely right.
@@JuneAdams-li9sy Probably were the cold weather not paint.
Very interesting documentry thanks for updating this..🙏
By the late 1400's Europe had advanced to a point where they could speculate, consider, plan, finance and execute. Following Columbus first voyage in 1492 its incredible how much exploration occurred in the following 30 years, culminating in the Magellan expedition's successful circumnavigation of the globe.
Columbus proved to Europeans that the world was in fact a globe and that it could be circumnavigated. Prior to him it was speculation, not knowledge. He IS the true discoverer of the north American continent because he was the first to recognize it for what it was.
Columbus didn’t probably hava clue about where India was ie East vs West
How would you say he was great discoverer 😂?
Also he was stupid enough not knowing where he was sailing to😅
@@Bavarian-ko9il Wrong. Columbus knew that sailing far enough west would bring him to India/Asia. He didn't know that America was in between, but he learned quickly enough. Columbus was quite aware that he had discovered a new continent, the Vikings and others who came before him did not.
Not Magellan (he died before) but the spaniard Juan Sebastian El Cano. Pedro Páez Jaramillo discovered the sources of the Blue Nile 150 years before James Bruce. We discovered Australia too 200 years before Cook (yes, we have the planes of the coast in Sevilla) and so on. The pass of Drake 205 years before Drake the pirate.
@@mysticone1798 All the world at this time knew that the world was a globe, the ancient greeks made the demostration, the fact was that the spanish church thought that he was wrong in the distance (they were right) to Asia.
Native Americans discovered America first! 😃
Columbus didn't just go off into the unknown, there were many reports of lost sailors having found land... Columbus was just the one that set out to document and map it.
He looked india to get money for crusade
The American Indians/Native Americans from Europe, Asia, and Africa discovered America much earlier, liked it, and stayed for Millennia...
Yes, they were lost and resurrected to tell Columbus their history through the aliens.
From what I recall, the Portugese had been fishing the Grand Bank off Newfoundland long before Columbus sailed. It's possible that these fisherman visited the new world during these expeditions. The Grand Bank fishery had been a State secret during that period.
@@williewonka6694 Sorry not the case. They were not the first, and Columbus never claimed to be, he mentioned the ancient maps.
Poor St Brendan and his monks ignored again,needs the patience of a saint.
Interesting. But one should also note here that discovery means to make the "discovered" known to the larger public of the world; not "going astray" or "venturing" somewhere and remaining there or keeping the knowledge to a limited sphere.
History is fascinating but keep in mind that events have always been modified to suit the narrative of current rulers. What we are taught is just a commonly shared opinion of the past and archeological finds are the only source to true knowledge.
So you are saying that somehow the many thousands upon thousands of writers of history are all controlled by "current rulers". How is that achievable?
Columbus wasn't looking for a new continent. He thought he'd sail straight to Asia.
He tried to get past the Caribean islands, but he didn't even sail to Venezuela, there was always a next island that could be loaded with gold, for financing a crusade of course. Columbus was dreaming of becoming a saint, is my impression after reading his (reconstructed, fools always lose the best texts first) journals. There is a book. Do read it.
@@voornaam3191 Colombus did reach land in his third travel, I don't know about him wanting to become a saint though.
@@voornaam3191Colombus visited Colombia and Panama.
Columbus thought he'd reached India; hence our first Nations cam to be called 'Indians', right
@@gerryboudreaultboudreault2608 Twenty-two naked Amerindians in three teepees is far from being a nation.
Very interesting. Thank you.
If it weren't for the Little Ice Age, which began in the early 1300s and extended to the mid nineteenth century, the history of the Americas would be very different. The onset of the cold began when the Norse settlements in Greenland were reaching a critical mass population of between 2,000 and 3,000 inhabitants, and the colony of L'Anse aux Meadows was just getting rooted in and primed for further expansion. Very suddenly the temperatures dropped and within a few decades the sea ice had extended southward, trapping these settlers in lands that were no longer viable for farming, which eventually led to their complete extermination. If the weather had remained mild the odds are very probable that the Norse would have continued their westward expansion, leading the way for settlement by all Europeans centuries before Columbus.
The Greenland colony might have persisted if the value of walrus and narwhal ivory hadn't dropped. Ivory was what lured Scandinavians to Iceland and when they had exterminated the Icelandic sub0species of walrus they moved on to Greenland. In the later Middle Ages the supply of African elephant ivory improved and it no longer paid to live in Greenland. If agriculture there hadn't failed due to climate change the colony might have survived as it did in Iceland but without something valuable to send back to Europe it wasn't worth it any more.
Yepper.
If you listen to the oral tradition of Greenland inuits, they tell that Vikings used to use them as servants and make fun of them, calling them dwarves. They quickly realized that they would all perish because they didn'tt know how to survive in their land and so it was.
Regardless Europeans would not have thrived in North America until their gun and steel technology could overcome the Natives. You would have just had a few european colonies on the coast constantly getting wiped out.
Nothing wiking in L'Anse aux Meadows, all is basque.
It doesn't mention the theory that says Polynesians may have reached the coasts of nowadays Chile or Peru, there is evidence of pre Columbian chicken bones that sugest so, it even says Polynesians took potatoes back to their islands and grow it there, which sugests a trade relationship...
To be fair its not much a theory anymore, especially with the reevaluation of the account of a pacific voyage of one Incan emperor Tupa Yupanqi:
History of the Incas by Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa in 1572.:
…there arrived at Tumbez some merchants who had come by sea from the west, navigating in balsas with sails. They gave information of the land whence they came, which consisted of some islands called Avachumbi and Ninachumbi, where there were many people and much gold. Tupac Inca was a man of lofty and ambitious ideas, and was not satisfied with the regions he had already conquered. So he determined to challenge a happy fortune, and see if it would favour him by sea.…
The Inca, having this certainty, determined to go there. He caused an immense number of balsas to be constructed, in which he embarked more than 20,000 chosen men.…
Tupac Inca navigated and sailed on until he discovered the islands of Avachumbi and Ninachumbi, and returned, bringing back with him slaves, gold, a chair of brass, and a skin and jaw bone of a horse. These trophies were preserved in the fortress of Cuzco until the Spaniards came. The duration of this expedition undertaken by Tupac Inca was nine months, others say a year, and, as he was so long absent, every one believed he was dead.: 93-94
- "¿Viajarón los Incas por Oceanía?" Revista Enraizada. (In Spanish) 2020.
..check out the genetic comparisons of Kumara from the Americas and Easter island.
How do we connect the stepped pyramids of Egypt and Central America? Bear in mind there is also one on Tenerife the staging point for trans-Atlantic sailings.
@@davidelliott5843 The only way they had to build something tall is to pile rocks. The easiest way to pile rocks is in a pyramid shape. You're reading too much into it.
@@davidelliott5843 Mainly because any idiot can build a pyramid, but only truly smart people can do Roman/Greek archetecture.
The Roman Empire existed during a climatic warm period. The “Dark Ages” were relatively cold. The Medieval Warm Period (900 to 1300 AD) was mild enough for Greenland to be quite green. Its relatively benign climate allowed the Viking voyages to happen. The subsequent Little Ice Age (1300 to late C19th) put paid to voyages across North Atlantic.
It's funny how so few people know this, believe this and just ignore this. Transfer this idea to the advent of the Vikings starting to plunder England in 793. I just found out that this "theory" is called the "youth bulge".
Warmer climate= more food grown=more people=more conflict=men getting into ships to go a'viking.
Warm periods don't just happen. It was progressively getting warmer and warmer probably around 650. I'll have to go to a dendrite website to find out how close my guess is.
No European discovered the new land the Americas
"Green"land was the first publicity campaign in history. They all defeated when turned white again.
So nice to hear a truly professional human narrator. He deftly navigates difficult words like Newfoundland and smithee with ease. That's a green flag to me.
I am surprised that there is no mention of the Basque people of North West Spain who where journeying to the area of the fishing grounds of Nova Scotia with settlements set up during the fishing season before returning to their home ports with Salted Cod and other fish. I remember watching a program about them that includes a knife with a Blacksmith mark that they traced back to Spain.
Portugués and northern Spanish fishmen venture north waters following whales and cod every year
I'm sure someone will have mentioned this already, but both the Scandinavian explorers and the European explorers found upon their arrival that the "Americas" were already inhabited by people whose ancestors had arrived long, long before. The idea that others later "discovered" these lands is unfortunately misleading. It was a new experience - a new discovery - for the Europeans and Scandinavians, maybe, but not for the land's indigenous inhabitants.
Thank you -Cree Alexander first nation
No, it was a new experience for the natives as well to discover that people existed from beyond the sea who were different than them. As late as the 1830's Indians from the upper Missouri were clueless about how far the land stretched eastward and how many Americans there were. One person literally caved a notch on a stick for every white person's house he saw as he traveled eastward on a riverboat down the Missouri, thinking he could count them all and return with an accounting of how many there were. So Columbus and the Vikings discovered the New World and its people for Europeans as surely as they were the revealers for the natives as well.
@@paulbriggs3072 correct it was a new experience for both but I must take a umbrage with your assessment about Native Americans not knowing really how big the continent was. Yes they did not truly grasp the true size, just like any European didn’t grasp it, but I do think you don’t give them enough credit as there are known trading routes along the Mississippi and all it’s tributaries, that were well used for centuries. Alaskan Tlingit traded with California natives there are Mayan carvings made from stone quarries found only in Minnesota. East coast tribes used the river networks and Great Lakes for trade as well. Tribes all over the continent had a massive trading network, many tribal Nations knew the land was large, especially the maze traders. Your story of one tribe member “counting houses” is ignorant of the other tribes and Native American culture as a whole.
Vikings beat ‘em, and when ppl say “discovered” it means discovered to the civilized world
@@patlafleche9645 o😅😅o
Columbus didn't come up with the idea that the world was round either. Most educated people knew that.
Aristotle proved the Earth was spherical (noting the shape of the shadow cast on the moon). Eratosthenes of Alexandria calculated the circumference ( and came damn close).
The reason why he did not think he would fall off the edge of the flat earth is because he knew it to be plate shaped and that North was dead center of the flat earth. Columbus knew it to be Flat! I taught 'Antarctic Studies' here in Tasmania, out on the edge of the Flat Earth and the earth was still officially flat in the 1920s - all news articles referencing the Antarctic state so. But for some strange reason the 'globe' came about in the 1920s.... who knows why, because all tests made to prove a globe prove it to be flat.
Talk about the Phoenicians the sea people who probably in North America over 2,000 years ago they also kept it close to their vest
This is an excellent presentation thank you for the great work. I like the fact that so much professional archeological information in included on first hand.
It was interesting until it went ancient alien style with Prince Madoc.
No mention of Peter "Rouf" Heuroth whom is or was buried near the entrance of a cave in Grand Mesa National Park in New Mexico. According to the rune stone discovered near the cave entrance the date reflects 1292 and this was the 2nd expedition organized by Heuroth. Peter was from England and more specifically from a fishing village in Wales
I believe my people the indigenous people were hear thosands of years before Vikings and Columbus, why do they say "discovered". Does this mean they discovered our people as they discovered this land?
The Incan Empire was initiated when Japanese sailors settled in Peru. Spanish and Chinese artifacts have been found off the west coast of Canada, and Viking settements that predate Columbus by hundreds of years are in Northeastern Canada as well.
No, they aren't, if you find something from vikings who didn,t arrived from a storm to the coast let me see it. There are no japanese ADN in Perú, nothing, nada, nitchs.
Excellent service to us!
The may have been others who "discovered" America first, but they all failed to "get the word out".
It was protected and no one would know the information
People often think the government hiding information is something new
The Knights Templars were one of many groups that got to America before Columbus.
It is amazing that these so-called experts always leave out the great Chinese voyages of 1421 and 1434. Ocean ships 800 feet long. A standard modern aircraft carrier is 900 feet long.
I did a paper on Chinese exploration of the West coast of America (not just US) 40 years ago, when I was in college. The Chinese have the longest running civilization in history, yet Eurocerntrism causes many to ignore or discount the contributions of China to our technology and foodways.
Because the Chinese never traveled away from the south China sea.
Those vikings was bad ass traveling those distances in those small boats.
Great show!
I find it fascinating that, as the Norse explored westward across the Atlantic, they gave names to the lands they found using the Old Norse language:
Iceland - Iss (ice) + land (land)
Greenland - Groen (green) + land
Helluland - Hellu (flat stone) + land (believed to be Baffin Island)
Markland - Mark (border) + land (believed to be the coast of Labrador)
But when they got to Vinland, they decided to use the Latin root "vin" (wine) - as we are told - rather than the Old Norse word "vin" (meadow), for the land which holds the only Old Norse site yet found in North America at L'anse aux Meadows...
Vin berries
@@kankikankkinen2670 There are these berries called vinbär in Swedish, currants in English. There are red currants and black currants. Perhaps they also have them in North America.
I think that by the time they got to L'anse aux Meadows, after such a long tiring journey, they decided to stop off at a local winebar for a nice refeshing drink and party, and named the new land accordingly!
Believed....
This documentary mentions Columbus but spends little time on him. Hitmonchan see Africans but spend even less time on it. So basically this was a documentary about Vikings.
Two other things to consider: The Greeks, Romans, Carthaginians were all sea-going peoples. Hard to believe not one adventurous group wouldn't have tested the waters of the Atlantic. The other is the Polynesians. Also hard to believe they created settlements by island hopping all the way to Easter Island and didn't explore further east.
So they didn't discover America
@@geraldblount4159 africans or so called natives were here be for magellan or any euro set sail
Perhaps Greek, Roman, Carthaginians, et cetera never made it back home. If their people knew some flotilla departed to explore westward of the Pillars of Hercules...well, maybe that's where the idea of "sailing over the edge" arose?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
They didn't know the oceans went all the way around an earth that was shaped like a globe. Columbus changed all that! The round earth went from speculation to knowledge with the voyages of Columbus, the true discoverer of north America.
Columbus lived in Portugal for decades and was married to a Portuguese noble woman. He learned to sail the open ocean from the Portuguese and also had access to his wife’s sea charts, which were state secrets, at the time. He first went to the Portuguese king, asking for funding for his expedition. The Portuguese king rejected his petition. Some historians believe he took this decision because the Portuguese had already secretly been to North America and found no gold or anything of value, to Southern Europeans of that time. So they preferred to focus on the African route to India and leave the American route to the Castilians (Spanish) who were their most dangerous rivals, at the time. This is also why the Portuguese willingly negotiated the Treaty of Tordesilhas, which divided the world between Spain and Portugal, leaving the exploration of the Western half (Americas) to the Spanish.
Why and how did Columbus get the credit? I’m 69 years old and learned of Leif Erickson’s exploits in parochial grade school!
Plus “discovered” a populated area?
Same here.
@@irishdivajeffries6668 Yes because that populated area was clueless that Europeans existed, and the Europeans were clueless that the natives existed. Since it was the Europeans that made the discovery by coming here, and not the other way around, they DISCOVERED the populated area.
Because he went back and reported GOLD GOLD GOLD. Hence the great ship building and recruitment of people to go and get rich. Never discount money. History can be written accurately by those who follow the money....and now, the DNA
You were lied to
It always amuses me that Brendan the voyager or Brendan the navigator, gets only brief mention. Tim Severin recreated the voyage and noted the existence of places that are included in the story. Christopher Columbus also mentioned his knowledge of Brendan's voyage. Tim Severin indeed proved the voyage was possible and did it in a boat that was constructed in accordance with the time period of Brendan's voyage. So Brendan was there long before Columbus and long before the Vikings.
I totally agree and believe, agreeing with you, that he's the real discoverer of America even legend has it that upon departing Spain Columbus even said that finding a route to the east was secondary and that he hoped to find St. Brendan's magical land to the west..
@@voornaam3191 "Horrible attitude". Yet, even now, gambling away the peoples' taxes on a longshot is frowned upon.
Devon UK and Spanish Basque fished the Grand Banks of Newfoundland centuries before Columbus. Someone likely told Columbus this fact!!!
Yes, these fishermen sometimes sheltered in the St Lawrence River.
@@lewis7315 And your proof for this is...
Hi Jim. to begin with you can contact the University of Newfoundland who have lots on that subject. I corresponded with them on this. English histories mention this. The Devon fishermen kept this a secret for a long time to protect their fishing rights but later explorers found them already there, and had been for centuries. You could also contact universities in the Basque region, NW Spain about this.
Columbus is When Europe discovered America. Of course there were already people here
There’s evidence that there were already people here when the “Native Americans” ancestors arrived, too.
Ant People they called them. Native history says they came from the ground after the end of ice age. There is also Egyptian evidence that goes back to BC. in Grand Canyon. Aztec, Maya relate to native Americans
There's a Viking Longship on the St Lawrence River, preserved in in a building some where close to Rock Port Ontario. Saw it when I was much younger. Michael, from Sunny Sandspit.
Haida Gwaii?
Yes on Haida Gwaii@@nobodythatyouknow241
Very beautitiful
I think the people already established in societies in the Americas prior to EUROPEAN awareness of the Americas could help us understand who “discovered” the continent. It was certainly no European.
Prove it please!
@@kenmartin861they have artifacts and depictions in the British museum that you can look up & see for yourself who were the first people to inhabit the Americas. They're also a lot of different writings and documentations of early explorers conquerors and colonizers who also explain who the first inhabitants of the Americas are from there perspective.
Other than that... nice show. Well done.
America was populated by two families from Siberia consisting of 2500 people. this was done when there was an ice bridge many years back and they populated the North and southern America oh and central
2.500 people??????? Are you serious? America was first occupied by europeans from the East-North and melanesians from the Southwest. Many time later came the siberians.
@marciocorrea8531 yes I got this from a source of people not the t'internet
The Basque fishermen were known to have sailed out to Nova Scotia on fishing trips in antiquity, and following them there is the legend of the Scottish explorer (I forget his name at the moment) who reached Nova Scotia prior to the Columbian period and met up with local native peoples.
That is possible. When the Puritans arrived in Massachusetts in 1620, an Indian named Squanto eventually met and lived with them and told of how he had been kidnapped and taken across the sea and was sold to Spaniards as a slave, lived in Spain and was freed and made his way to England where an Englishman took him in and eventually he was given passage back to Massachusetts by fishermen. All this years before their arrival, which itself was an accident of bad weather since Virginia was their original destination. Amazing.
Earl Sinclair. But two hundred years prior according to two cia codebreeakers the knights templar were in the massachusettes area
Sinclair, but there is absolutely no proof whatsoever to support the idea. It was Frederick J Pohl who promoted this idea in his book ' Prince Henry Sinclair: his Expedition to the New World in 1398'.
@@EdinburghFive they built the tower there according to the CIA codebreakers in line with the two in Scotland.
@@grahamfleming8139 Where is the "there" you are referring to? In Nova Scotia?
Columbus was never in America. He was in the Caribbean Sea while running into some islands there.
ABSOLUTELY 💯
That's why we can't let people like Florida's Governor DeSantis BAN important history books and information on TRUTH.
If real American History being taught makes White people ashamed then they never should have committed atrocities against Indigenous Native Americans and Africans who they enslaved for centuries. The truth will be televised and not erased.
Peace out.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
@@frankedgar6694 Uh, unbeknownst to you, he was promoted to Major Obvious a year ago.
He didn't discover anyting
@geraldblount4159 Yeah he did. It's in the history books. Can't you read??
According to Íslendingabók (“The Book of Icelanders”) there were a few Irish settlers, monks or hermits, in Iceland around 870 when Norsemen first got here.
A lot of DNA in lceland of lrish decent found in settlements plus all the polar bears carry DNA of an irish brown bear 😅😅 FACT
@@johnmcintyre800 Correct. The reason is that Vikings on their way to Iceland took women from Ireland as slaves. Almost all of the female DNA of Icelanders is Irish.
When you hear about ships that sailed from Europe but were lost in the Atlantic, everyone assumes that the ships sank. It is highly possible that some of these ships landed on the American continent after being blown of course. Shipwrecked sailors also could have introduced European concepts and technology to the New World. The trick wasn't discovering the New World. The trick was making it back to the European homeland and widely disseminating information about the discovery.
to your point, some of the earliest Europeans to land in the Americas and mix with the local indigenous people, were the Portuguese in what became Brazil.
In school, we were told that when Columbus set out, he didn't know where he was going, that when he landed, he didn't know where he was and that when he came back he couldn't say where he had been.
He invaded the Americas they were people already here
He looked india to get money for crusade
That's a weird way to put it, but your school isn't wrong. Your memory could also be clouded, as you were just a child.
I always picture the Ghost of Christopher Columbus still wandering around San Salvador looking for that vendor where he could buy postcards of the Taj Mahal to prove that he made it.
Wineland = land of wine, not necessarily from grapes. They could find some berry suitable for winemaking to call the country Wineland.
The most likely it was Ribes triste, known as the northern redcurrant, swamp redcurrant, or wild redcurrant. It's native in North America; Newfoundland to Alaska and southward in mountains.
It helps to understand global temperature changes and impact on settlement and exploration and migration.
The real significance of Columbus voyages was that they stimulated European interest in colonization of the Americas.
St. Brendan almost certainly made the journey to North America, and back, but he wasn't the first at all. He did it, as detailed nicely in Tim Severin's wonderful book, because another Irish monk told him he had made an earlier trip to the western "promised land", and recommended that Brendan do it too. There are also comments here about the Alaskan-Siberian land bridge at a time of glaciation and lower sea levels. People could readily (I do not say easily) cross that region without a land bridge, by island-hopping the Aleutians, much as Brendan and the Norse island-hopped the north Atlantic. The longest single sea journey to get from Kamchatka to Alaska is only about 250 miles, with a tailwind. That's only one or two overnights at sea, pretty feasible for coastal people. A sea crossing to Alaska is much more favorable than a land one because there would be seafood available the whole way, whereas there's not much available on a land bridge crossing. Back to the British Isles, there are archaeological sites thousands of years ago, which in turn means open ocean journeys. I think people have been crossing oceans for a looooong time.
The famous 19th century British explorer Sir Richard Burton, in his book "A Summer in Iceland", relates the Norse story of the early settlement of Iceland. The Sagas say when the Norse arrived there was already a band of Irish Monks on the island trying to convert the native population. So it isn't beyond possibility that Irish Monks knew of Iceland long before the 'discovery' by the Norsemen.,
Archaeological evidence points out that the Aleutians were settled in a westward direction, from the North American continent, by peoples whose ancestors had crossed the bering land bridge from Asia much earlier.
@Get.factual could you please upload a documentary about the Portuguese discovery of Brazil.
A laymans tour of the boat . Non nautical version , thank you . The comments so far seem to suggest that America was discovered , it was NOT . Colombus/Vikings ,, it was ALWAYS there .
So tired of people trying to discredit Columbus semantically. Discover means "to find something unexpected". The cure for cancer? $5 in your coat pocket? Nope, according to you the only thing that can be discovered is something that doesn't exist at all. Wait, I think I just "discovered" the logic of your argument!
No argument here , America was there ALREADY .
Natives were clueless that Europeans existed, and the Europeans were clueless that the natives existed. Since it was the Europeans that made the discovery by coming here, and not the other way around, they DISCOVERED America. Pluto always existed too. Does that mean that Clyde Tombaugh didn't discover it? If Plutonians lived there, would that mean nobody could discover them also?
@@paulbriggs3072 America was inhabited already it was NOT *Discovered *
The Basque were there as well. they even may have preceded Lief
Spanish basque founded the whaling industry, so they were sailing everywhere. In 1500's they had 2000 sailors fishing whales in the Labrador region.
I read somewhere that there was a Basque utensil found adjacent to a Viking settlement in the new world, Labrador or further south. Hard to say who was there first. Both arrived early it seems along with St. Brendan I suppose.@@davidprietogomez7254
I just realized that the four voyages of Christopher Columbus have made an inspiration to America.
But in real life, tomorrow there will be a Columbus Day from the morning into the night what do you think it will happen ?
Wonderful presentation. Theories I'd never heard or read about, the Welsh and the Africans.
There has always been somebody here, because anybody with a boat can get here.. Christopher Columbus has the distinction of coming here, coming home and then telling the world. Others would jealously keep their trade-route'secrets to themselves. They guarded their discoveries with their lives. So they lived and died, but the name of Columbus will live forever.
Oh man!! Do you even know something about history? O.K. Firstly,he HAD to tell the world!!!!!!! Why? Because that whole voyage of his and 47 crewman( By the way they were the worst scum of Spanish society even using 15th. century standards ...rapists, thieves, murderers, etc,cause no regular seaman in that period did not want to go with him!!!! They simply thought the dude was nuts!)was solely financed by spanish crown,namely by Isabella 1st. of Castile Queen of Spain.And only after he was rejected by all the influential and wealthy rulers of Europe at the time!!!!Secondly, she did it purely out greed and selfishness!!!!And thirdly and perhaps most importantly, he WAS NOT aiming to discover new continent!!!!His only intention was to find shorter voyage to Asia!!!! And he failed!!!! Spectacularly!!!!! And FYI he died alone, poor and forgotten by everyone, but his son!!! And lastly, the consequences of his discovery is entire different, horrible and tragic chapter, but for those deeds he shouldn´t be held accountable. People like Hernán Cortéz, Bernal Díaz de Castillo and Hernando de Soto and many more thugs like them paved the way to the biggest genocide ever happened at least on American continent!!!! AND If I may to ask you this one last question? It´s actually quite simple.Are you aware of the fact, that regardless where those traders and merchants operated, land or sea, Europe or Asia they HAD to keep those routes in secret!!!!Their very lives depended on it!!! As traders with quite expensive and valuable goods the were in very serious and often life threatening business!!! Especially in medieval times!!! Robert.
Christopher Columbus accomplished something the others NEVER did. He established lasting contact between the 2 Continents and altered world history.
One error of note in this doc is that the falls that they called Desoto Falls is actually in NE AL, not GA. There is a falls in GA called Desoto, but what's pictured in this film is definitely the one in AL.
A sixth-century Irish monk named Saint Brendan sailed to North America on a currach - a wood-framed boat covered with animal skin. His alleged journey is detailed in the ancient annals of Ireland. Brendan was a real historical figure who traveled extensively in Europe.
What did he say about it ?
Sailed to North America in a Currach, I am having an awful lot of trouble believing that! !!!!!!
Well some white coat boffins reckon the Egyptians made it to South America on nothing more than a reed raft. I'd feel safer on the currach. @@towgod7985
@@towgod7985it's been proven the irish boats could do it also the irish had tales of the icebergs and Columbus knew about the St Brendan voyages
@@johnmcintyre800 Just because they.......knew......of icebergs and Columbus had......heard.....of the trips does not mean their not fables handed down through generations. Are there facts and evidence of these trips anywhere?
The true discoverers of any land are those who report back.Not those who stumble upon what they know not!
Yup. Like those not very smart polynesians. We don't know much about them except for new DNA studies, but they accidentely went everywhere, but never wrote or developed any kind of written language.
@@motomike3475
Recommended Watch:
"Skeletons in the Cupboard" 2 parts. It is excellent and established their statements with "Peer Reviewed Science" and DNA.
Your logic is a bit off the mark.
In the 10th Century, who were they to Report to?
@@bethbartlett5692 I will, thanks.
Yes and evidence of sweet potato word kumara not Polynesian but southern America.
COLOMBUS ONLY MADE IT TO CUBA! He couldn't even follow the maps that had been made of the earlier voyages. Ending up on a small island. And it was De Soto who I believe went north following what some natives had told him about the fountain of youth, Taking him to Florida, and while searching for that fountain, he went from Florida, into Georgia, Mississippi and then into Alabama. So why we celebrate Columbus Day is beyond me. Cuba should celebrate it not us. And anyway the Solutrean's from the southern coast of what is now France were the first Europeans to reach America before anyone else. They have found flint tools and this flint can only be found in Southern France. These were hunter gatherers who followed the edge of the ice that covered the northern hemisphere. The beat all the others to America!
Columbus is not famous for finding America His real discovery was discovering the ocean currents .People new there was land to the west but they could not get there and back.After this discovery ships could travel the seas and did not have to stay close to shore. Before leaving on his epic journey he sailed to England and the to Africa to confirm the currents. Columbus's contract said he could have all the land between Spain and India that is why he only went to Central America hoping to find a way to the Pacific.There is so much more to this story.
Not bad at all but still cherry picked. Nothing about the Chinese in 1421 or the west coast "natives" with Japanese dna? The few Mongols who crossed the Bering strait weren't enough to populate two continents without serious inbreeding issues. It's also possible that some could have come from Europe during the ice age by skirting along the edge of the ice sheet.
That and Newfoundland is Canadian soil.
Don't forget the Celts! They got there too! Oh and Africans ofc.
Who says - and has proven that it was a "few mongols" that crossed the Bering Strait?
Immigration crossing the strait could easily have continued for many centuries.
My people, the Greenlandic tribes seems to be one of the later incoming peoples. They didn't go south, though.
But that aside, I agree with you.
That idea that people could have got to the Americas by sea and Ice in the Ice Age (the "Salutrean" solution) is a non-starter. Inuits developed a very complex set of technologies many centuries after the Ice Age ended which enabled them to live with Arctic sea ice but never solely on it. To get from Scotland to Canada that way then would have involved even greater abilities, the distance is very, very much greater than any stretch of sea ice inuit peoples ever traversed. It is virtually inconceivable that abities that could do that would have just died out instead of following the ice sheets north as these retreated.
and what about the nomadic Asians that followed the Wooly Mammoths that came across the Siberian Land Bridge over 10,000 years ago that eventually settled in what is now the America's as what we consider the indigenous people ? As for Columbus he didn't discover, he came upon the, "Western Hemisphere" it wasn't known as America then and not until long after was it named after the explorer Amerigo Vespucci.
I have heard of Leif Erickson and St. Brendan the Navigator, but never of Prince Madoc.
Not related to North America, at least.
But he ticks all the boxes off interest to me, which is why I am surprised I've never heard the legend.
Research the Kensington Runestone in Alexandria Minnesota.
Columbus' success came from turning opposing tribes and leaders against each other. To do this you would need to come to some kind of understanding with the locals and thinking of them as weaklings is not the way to do this. Both Spain and Portugal had naval libraries filled with what would now be called sociological treatises filled with the particulars of native groups, their political structures and the kinds of manipulations that would work on them. They had it down to a science.
Well, genetics have shown the land bridge between Asia and North America did exist. So north and south America were genetically similar.
Excellent work, but with errors due to the Anglo-Saxon agenda. - Columbus was born in the town of Cuba in Portugal, married a Portuguese woman from the island of Madeira, Filipa Moniz. As Spain was Portugal's rival in navigation, he passed as a Genoese.
It is obvious that he was not the first to arrive in the Americas, even the Portuguese had arrived in Canada and mapped the entire coast up to Newfoundland and Labrador (1471 - João Vaz, Gaspar Corte Real, Miguel Corte Real (1495 and 1497 - João Fernandes Lavrador) where they fished and created settlements.
How can you "discover " a hemisphere that has already had millions of inhabitants for thousands of years? If I go to europe for the first time in my life, will that make me the first person to have " discovered " it ?
Don't quite understand how one can "discover" something that wasn't lost. If there were millions of humans in the Americas for thousands of years, just because other human beings finally wake up and realize that there are other places out there than their limited ideas have allowed for, doesn't mean that anything was "discovered."
It only needs to be the first time the subject lays eyes on something to be discovered for the subject. If you really want to get literal the word "discover" means to remove the cover off something. North America has never been covered so you couldn't tell there was a continent there. So Native Americans didn't "discover" it either.
Romans where there 2000 years ago. Since Europe was Roman , Spaniards knew about the new continent and rediscover it. Roman knowledge was forgotten for centuries but it remained alive in a few European places. Spain was the birth place of some of most famous roman emperors and lots of information was kept safe in Spanish monasteries for hundreds of years. Around 1492 a man named Colon used that info and went straight back to “America”.
“Europe Was Roman”??? Romans are Europeans. The Europeans of that time. Later the later Europeans “rediscovered” America but yeah is either the European or Phoenician who discovered America first.
FYI: It was nomadic Native American who discovered the "New World" way before the Vikings.
Obviously the Scandinavians were willing to leave established communities to go to find arable land. The settlers took tremendous risks to improve their economic status. Remember only 14 ships originally made it to Greenland. Unlike other colonists, the Scandinavians took their families and all their possessions with them. Instead of making a grab for gold and returning to their homeland, the settlers were staking everything on the possibility of founding a permanent settlement. The Greenlanders made their living also from exporting falcons . The deforestation of Greenland, Iceland and Scotland compelled the Scandinavians to seek sources of lumber.
Funny part they really don’t know the past people in America keeps getting older and older I believe Chinese treasure fleet made it here also
The Chinese stone anchor found off the coast of California.
They went as far north to Haida Gwaaii where there was remains of a Chinese junk high up on the cliffs.
Columbus was the first to make it known, this Italian sea adventurer was what caused the onslaught of discovery and colonization in the new world.
Columbus 'discovered' America, and the Church did the rest. (read Brevisima relacion de la destruccion de las Indias, by Bartolome de las Casas)
And the destruction of the indigenous people who were there by introducing European diseases to them for which these populations had no immunity!!!!!!!! Thanks to the Spanish, millions of indigenous people were killed and their histories destroyed as heretical religious documents.
The Vikings made their discoveries known to other Europeans. The part of North America they landed in wasn’t too hospitable for human life, so there wasn’t interest for others to settle these lands.
@@Derek032789 Where is the proof? Columbus stumbled on to the Americas and between the Florentine Italians and Spanish a lot of activity happens thereafter.
Christopher was the last one to discover America
It was a discovery, because the world didn’t know they existed and they had no idea that the outside world existed.
In the mid 400s, a Budhist Chinese monk called Hoi-sin explored the Aleutians. He called the area Tahan, meaning Greater China. After, he explored the Pacific west of Canada. He called it Fusang. Later, based upon Hoi-sin's account of his exploations, the Russians sent Bering to explore what is nw Alaska.
He brought Hoi-Sin sauce to Alaska and surrounding areas !!😂❤😮😅😊
I understand, so Hoi-sin lived from the 400s to the 1680s when Bering died.
I think you refer to Hoei-shin
@jorgeo4483 Put your thinking cap on. Engage your brain before commenting. Hoi-Sen wrote about his explorations of western North America (which, just for the purpose of enlightenment, wasn't called North America then). The Russians based Bering's exploration on the Chinese records. Duh!
The people who accompanied Eric the Red probably did not leave rich farms behind. Iceland became overpopulated and all the best arable land had been taken by the elite. Commoner would have regarded Greenland as an opportunity to have land of their own. Europeans probably were fishing off the coast of Newfoundland in the early 1400's but they would have kept secret the location of these rich fishing sites.
They were. The Portugese fishing fleets were. That's why it was a state secret that their log books, called "Rudders" were sancrosanct and guarded very well. There were enormous sums of money offered to buy one.
DeSoto Falls near Mentone, AL is actually in Alabama, and Mobile Bay, next to the city of Mobile Alabama is correctly pronounced "Mo-Beal' ". It's more generally thought that after Madoc entered Mobile Bay and proceeded up the Alabama River, he went northeasterly up the Coosa River (rather than northwesterly up the Tombigbee River, as illustrated on the map) where he reached De Soto Falls, then from there went a short ways north to intersect the Tennessee River near present day Chattanooga, TN.
So, the Native Americans (Indians) were they the actual first to discover America?…..since they were already there, in the first place?
Yes, since as far as we know the cradel of humanity began in African & expanded North & East from there so it is believed that the first humans to migrate into the American continents which became the indigenous people of that land were the first humans to "discover" that huge lang mass & establish settlements & significant empires throughout.
I’m sure it was much warmer back during the Viking visit the Medival warm period
Standing stones, inscribed with authentic Viking runes dating to the Vikingr era on American soil are the irrefutable proof that Scandinavians discovered the Americas pre-Columbus. There are other stories offering up mention of pre-Viking discovery of the Continent, but nothing "set in stone". Nothing actually literally set in stone like those runes: and seeing is believing.
Have you seen the "authentic" Viking runes? Chicken scratching. Could have been made by Indians or hippies.
whoever built the pyramids in Egypt also built pyramids in Mexico. Manchu Pichu in Peru has stonework that is very similar to the perfection that is in the great pyramids.
Yes, piling blocks on top of other blocks have been state secrets all over the world for 5,000 years. Not being smart enough to make mortar or concrete is not an enviable skill.
The pyramids in Mexico came thousands of years after the Egyptian ones. They aren’t related in any way.
@@DinoAlberini Whew! One pile of rocks vs another pile of rocks, in the world's simplest configuration. Lets argue which series of morons built which series of rocks.
@@motomike3475 they were far from being morons, but they were unrelated. And they weren’t perfect. Especially the Egyptians, they were cutting corners wherever it was possible.
I was taught in 6-8th grades that America got its name from a map maker named Amerigo Vespucci...Sounds fair---But prior to all this there were provinces in Europe called Armorica and Austrasia very similar to Australia and America...so much to ponder
Austrasia just means south Asia.
@@DinoAlberini I think you mean Australasia.
@@EdinburghFive I was quoting the original comment, but you’re right.
Norwegian Excavator on Newfoundland, Helge Ingstad, with his wife, Anne Stine, found a weight made from a Norwegian type Stone in the turf houses, so it is a fact that Europeans had lived there and made clothing during that, with traditional equipment.
Columbus was not from Genoa. He was born in Cuba, Portugal. His father-in-law was a Templar Grand Master. The Templars have also reached North America )Rhode Island tower) and they likely passed on their knowledge to Columbus.
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Columbus flew the templar flag.
Not at all, definitely an Italian
I ties always trying this flip flop but yet everything points west
Columbus was the son of an ancient alien and his mother was Erich von Däniken, as all experts know
The discovery of lands in the americas by Columbus changed forever the history and destiny of the entire planet. No other historical event, not even modern day space exploration comes close to the impact that was made by that event. All other explorations, given their exceptional achievements, were really irrelevant to world history at that time. Due to that first voyage Columbus made, the whole face and features of the globe were shortly known to all of mankind.
First of all he didn't discover America
Yes native Americans ❤❤❤
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Columbus Day, bye bye.
Celebrating Colombus day soon!!😅😅
Columbus's biographer Samuel Elliott Morrison put it quite simply. Columbus's voyages of discovery changed the world.
Not need for a biographer for that conclusion, going to the moon didn't.
Correct. Seems like the British are trying hard to rewrite history and making up fairytales.
I always thoughf the first ones were those crossing the landbridge between Siberia and Alaska. Or some Pacific seafarers who arrived in South America. Anyway, it does not matter who was first.
It also doesn’t mention that they might’ve walked across. There was a lien bar that.😊
Others discovered it. Columbus was told where to navigate to find the continent. Those were his orders . A tragic event for south american natives who, at the time didnt know it but spaniards and portuguese would later slauther them, enslaved them to mine gold and emeralds.
Anglo Saxon agenda, it is strange that there are only natives in South America....
It's only discovered by the ignorant who weren't there, already.
Calling it "discovered" denies the people who inhabited the land that dignity.
"White man" discovers what a POC already possessed.
"White man" ends up taking what wasn't theirs and calls it a "discovery".
"White man" goes on to rewrite history, ignoring the people that came before.
Correct - it is more than 500 years since the natives discovered Columbus ;-)
Columbus DID discover America for the entire eastern hemisphere. Before Columbus almost nobody knew about other part of the world. Yes it was a discovery
i remember back during one of the big Columbus anniversaries and Dennis Banks or Russel Means (Native people) said they were thinking of taking three ships across the Atlantic to discover Spain 🤣😆😂
very peaceful culture preserved no disease
During 1479 or 1480 Columbus married the Portuguese Felipa Moniz Perestrello, a kinswoman of Bartholomew Perestrello, one of Prince Henrys navigators. This Navigator Father of Colombos wife was a Guardian of Portuguese Maps. That is very relevant for your video and was Ignored. Chronicles say that the Portuguese King didn’t help Colombo Because other Portuguese sailors were already mapping America at that time. The big earthquake of 1745 in Lisbon destroyed most of the Portuguese secret maps where this new lands should be draw.
*The achievement of Columbus was the most impactful event in human history!*
Nope, Columbus is overrated, the portuguese were already doing global navigation almost a decade before him, the 2 most important navigators for human history are Vasco da Gama and Ferdinand Magellan.
@@truth-uncensored2426 That’s insightful… if my assertion had been that Columbus was the greatest navigator, but it wasn’t. Columbus’s news of the new world started the greatest mass migration of Europeans ever and eventually led to the formation of the most powerful nation ever… made up of Europeans who started their journey after Columbus returned.
I love the way they say there’s plenty of evidence but it’s largely circumstantial…so no evidence.
As a lawyer I can tell you that circumstantial evidence is often the best evidence available, short of DNA. It works in court.
@@nanskickstand5393 What is stated isn't even circumstantial. It is just speculation at best and mostly nonsense being feed to a lot of naïve people.
Under the ice sheet in Greenland they are finding very old Norse settlements.
Cool, but what did they do with their discoveries?