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Caro's scathing assessment of the AFL over 'horrifying' Eddie Betts revelations - Footy Classified
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2022
- The Footy Classified panel reacts to the bombshell revelations about the Crows' 2018 pre-season camp from Eddie Betts' book.
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Mark Ricciuto sounds like he’s part of the problem. ‘Look, it was four years ago [it doesn’t matter when it happened; it happened]. We’ve all moved on [it sounds like a sweep-under-the-carpet-of-time comment]. The Club’s moved on [ditto]. Hopefully Eddie’s moved on too [sounds like a ‘we’re sick of hearing about this - get over it’ comment]. Nowhere in that lip-service is deep or sincere regret expressed, let alone heard in his tone of voice. Just matter-of-fact, typical monotone Ricciuto drone. In his capacity at the club at the time, if Ricciuto knew nothing he had a very poor connection to the club. If he knew something, what did he do in his highly-paid, influential position? This whole sordid affair is not something clubs and ‘current players’ simply ‘move on’ from. This is deeply in the heart, soul and very fabric of Australia’s socioculture. Every time it happens, someone says ‘sorry’. The point is not ‘sorry’. The point is it happens…again and again! And it takes a complaint by the aggrieved to person to start the soul searching! The club didn’t have the moral fibre to address the incredibly low standard the Crows set themselves, or the fact that they failed to meet even that standard. It’s not just the Crows, to be ‘fair’ to all concerned. Where is the moral courage to confront what is a very divisive opinion? Where is the ‘leadership’? Leadership, of course, is extremely difficult to define…but patently obvious in its lacking. And it is lacking in Australia, even at the level of boys clubs like afl teams!
Very well said
Absolutely correct.
Ricciuto and Tex, same.
Its cos Ricciuto doesn’t want any controversy on his precious Adelaide Crows
What's the issue with moving on? I would have thought that'd be a good thing to move on no?
Absolute disgrace from the AFL, Crows and AFLPA. Mark Ricciutio seems like part of the problem too.
Why big tail who cares what a load of crap
@@championsofitaly9321 roo is a great person
Ricciuto one of the toughest players the crows had. Betts wouldn’t hold a candle too him. Poor little eddy got offended big deal Eddie go and live in the Ukraine see how you get on
@@patkelly6349 you can't treat people like that. You will care if you tried to. One of your employees would put you in hospital, rather than be dragged through sham employment regulators.
That's what will happen if this behaviour is deemed acceptable.
@@patkelly6349 rubbish. Betts streets ahead of a good midfielder. Not even a great.
Eddie has done the courageous thing, the difficult thing, and shown strong leadership in the process. His people look up to him as an Elder, he has not let them down. Sadly, some leadership in other quarters have embarrassed the word, 'leadership.' There can't be much room under that rug to sweep anything else under.
I don’t think Mark Ricciutio could’ve been more tone deaf in that response if he’d tried
He is protected by his business mates on the board nothing will happen to him
What an incredible show of personal integrity and strength by Eddie Betts. Instead of being sorry for him the club should be proud of the way he stood up and sorry that they didn’t listen to him. It’s much easier to go along with everyone’s narrative. Takes enormous strength to point out the problems.
Why is it a show of personal integrity??? He is one of thousands that have written a book.
@@victoryline5689 One thousands who wrote a book about the crows 2018 training camp??
@@zachwybrow638 you went to guantanamo bay for your school camps? Must have been tough
@@koolguy9069 you aren’t real bright are you🤦🏼♂️
@@zachwybrow638 can’t read your comment but it didn’t start very impressively. Two weeks in the the bush lol.
Mark Riccuito needs to fall on his sword and leave the Crows. Only when he does will this whole saga be laid to rest
Good comment. So many people have left the Crows. It's incredible how he has survived.
Totally agree with Big T and I am A Crows supporter. Always thought he should go. Still do.
Ricciuto is at the heart of all recent failings at the Adelaide Crows, he has far too much power and seems to rarely be held accountable.
"We all love, Eddie. And love means never having to say you're sorry."
- Mark Ricciuto
Eddie Mac said it was a great book even tho he definitely hasn't read it lol. The real king of spin
so true ….
He doesn’t need to read the book because he knows everything.
"The clubs moved on that was four years ago...sorry Eddie felt that way"
Imagine saying that about how people were horribly mistreated, horrifying stuff. Player welfare was not paramount. Abuse happens and nothing is done for decades but it doesn't change the pain and impact it has on the lives directly around it in the meantime. Eddie is a medium to bring things to the forefront but he represents many mistreated.
I like how the AFL and AFLPA put their heads up and say 'we didn't know what happened '. Adelaide had a team capable of winning a premiership and decimated it with camp, Crows supporters should be filthy at the club.
I understand your point but I personally don’t like it, Eddie said he and others told the afl and aflpa everything that happened and they still closed the case and said everything was above board. They failed him too and are now saying “we didn’t know this”.
@@dannydevito2587 That's my point, mate. I think it's ridiculous that both organisations are acting like they didn't know the details until now. I would have thought that they would have known better.
@@stewartgardiner9792 went right over my head, apologies man! absolutely agree 100%
Eddie betts I applaud you for standing up and being wholeheartedly transparent, not only was he lied to he was abused and belittled in such a way that he felt he needed to leave the club. The Adelaide football club needs to be real and not gloss this over like we made a mistake now move on. I bet if it was one of them that was involved in this terrible abuse of power. Eddie betts is a living legend. ♥💛🖤♥💛🖤
Wonder if he fixed the hurt and trauma caused by him and his mates stealing cars and breaking into houses when they were younger. He can take his victim card and shove it
@@zachwybrow638 Your honour my client cannot have committed a murder. Because the man he murdered committed a murder when he was younger. Therefore the murders cancelled out.
Very poor logic
@@zachwybrow638 and you know this? Are you someone who grew up with Eddie Betts or are you just saying this because he is Aboriginal?
@@markwhelan9887 shows how very little you actually know, he was a young drunk thief in Port Lincoln before being drafted and openly admits to car theft and home invasions. States his turn around was 5 years after being drafted while sitting in a jail cell for drunk and disorderly. All information that's been well known for his entire career but of course the afl only cares about snowflakes with hurt feelings not actual victims of actual crimes. Go debate the kids if you don't know your subject matter.
You're a legend Eddie we are so privileged to have you in our game a good genuine man
The AFL love sweeping these sort of things under the rug
Ricciuto, Tex, Sloane and anyone else associated with covering up that abomination of a training camp should be immediately sacked. The club is rotten and needs to cut out those cancerous influences so they can finally heal and move forward.
hahah nah not sloane and tex but Ricciuto can go
Why do people always try to blame Tex and Sloane ? Lol
Ricciuto still can't apologize. Mark actively worked on removing don Pike using his position in the media to constantly bag the crows coach at the time while also remaining a director at the club. Yet he is partly responsible for what went on n agreed to players taking part in this camp. Step down ya clown. Safe work sa should have found both the camp organization n club responsible to for what the players suffered
Awful what happened to Eddie and the players ,ppl still need to be held accountable for the crap the players had to go through, it seems like what Eddie had reported bk was completely ignored horrible , bravo Eddie for being brave and telling the truth 👍
What disappoints me as a Crows supporter, is the fact that there was never any form of transparency from the leadership group, including the higher-ups at the Crows, what sold it for me, was the number of soft tissue injuries the team had, as well, a team that was playing nowhere near to the standard of the season prior.
What I would like to know as a Crows supporter, is what the hell happened in that camp? I am one of the few Crows supporters who do not deny this camp ever happened, or that it has had a detrimental effect on my team. and that certain individuals have got to go, that includes, Mark Ricciuto.
If the Afl didn't have the courage to punish West Coast for alleged drug offences up to and including the 2006 Grand final,
i doubt very much that they will take any action against Adelaide on the occassion of the 2018 camp.
Drug offences? They weren't performance enhancing.
The issue there is "alleged". This Adelaide camp is plenty people saying what actually happened.
Wow. Mark Ricciuto shows less remorse and accountability than a child.
I actually think playing the Tigers theme song while running was not a bad idea….They ended up smashing Richmond by 36 points in the game.
No more full episodes???
As a crow supporter I'm embarrassed and ashamed. What the f#$@ are they thinking.
Eddie sue their asses. Your a champion and you deserve respect.
I think Eddie has moved past what has happened at the camp and just wanted the truth to be out about what happened since the AFL denied everything and the Crows downplayed everything
@@vigour6786 yeah, except there has been an abject failure of the club, league and government to protect the workers, some of whom are just boys.
It will happen again because there is zero accountability.
At least hitting them through civil proceedings might cause the AFL to act - Gil can't stand money being wasted on anything other than corporate boxes and shitty versions of the game meant for people who don't love the sport.
You’re 100% right, there’s no accountability at all, and when this does happen it’ll just be more empty apologies and talk about “being better in the future”
@@vigour6786 when people say "do better in future" it shows a disconnect from the repercussions of their behaviour. They could say what of substance they are doing. As much as I hate to say it, what they are doing of substance is nothing. I have seen more actual action at a sock puppet weight lifting competition.
absolutely sue them... penalise all the players he played with, penalise all the new players that are there, penalise all the supporters and the new off field personnel for something they had no control over..
grow up....
Caro and Eddie back just in time for training camp and Port prison bar guernsey time of the year.
To Bar or not to Bar that is the question
Rory Sloan. WTF.
Oh no this is messed up
It is
so what happened?
The counselling side of things is just extraordinary.
I'm a Crows supporter, have been since their beginning. The way the club has handled it is totally disgusting. What a double standard, they expect players to step up and own their mistakes, then they go and do everything possible to cover, manipulate and misinform about what occurred on that camp
I’m disgusted with the Crows. What am I going to do with all our Crows merchandise now? I’m not a supporter anymore.
Eddie McGuire, who presided over literally the most racist club in the competition with a report to prove it, is the last person on earth who should be moderating a discussion on this topic. Every time he opens his mouth on issues of race he somehow finds a way to convince us he's even dumber than we thought. Comparing racial misappropriation and workplace bullying to a movie experience where some people like it and some people don't nearly made me spit out my coffee.
100% agree
This is standard practice at most sporting clubs. Not the camp but nepotism, degrading of people, bullying and cliques, this is the reality of every day in any sporting club. I have had first hand experience of being removed from a coaching role after questioning why I was told not to pick certain children in an elite sporting organisation because the operations manager and his assistant had an issue with the parents so the children paid the penalty. I was threatened with violence and faced physical violence because of me questioning the inherent nepotism within the organisation. I am glad I have left and removed myself from such a cancerous organisation as it was extremely stressful and to difficult to change as the power of the entrenched clique is to great.
No one has sat down with all players who attended to discover if there is any ongoing damage. We now know Eddie is still suffering; there will be others, indigenous or not.
Eddie Betts, is one of my favourite AFL footballers, and I'm a Collingwood Girl.
If Eddie says it happened, then it happened. Eddie is an honest man, who would be good at anything he does. And that's because he was raised by a strong parent. Disgusting comments...
How Safework SA decided they didn't need investigate this is beyond disbelief. If this was at any other workplace people would have been fired almost instantly.
It's not good that any person is done hard by but most unimportant people in society, you know, the little person who is ignored, goes through much worse. It is a pity that the courts and retribution system isn't for all people.
Thank you Eddie you have taken the spot light of north Melbourne
These things aren’t new
This is why you need outsiders (people who didn't grow up within the footy culture) to be in prominent positions to call out the bs that's taken for granted as normal behaviour and are able to objectively see things as they are. Hockey Canada (the governing body for ice hockey) is undergoing its own reckoning right now due to similar issues of problematic cultures.
Nonsense. It's the outsiders infesting AFL boards, high performance types, and the suits direct from the corporate world who are the problem. They try to justify their positions by creating a mess like this. They don't understand the sport or culture. It's football, not a Fortune 500 company.
@@user-oi9to7ux7k Maybe I should've been more specific (you raise legitimate points). Outsiders can include fans/supporters as long as they are not people who grew up inside the culture of the sport. But too often, you get these good old boy cultures where things are done a certain way because that's the way it's always been done. There's no one to say why do you guys do this thing which is clearly stupid/not working/dumb. This goes for any and all industries (and even individual people to a certain extent). We all can't see past the end of our own noses and sometimes need outsiders to call us out on the things we do that we don't know why we do them.
Edit: Caro's a perfect example. She grew up around the sport but obviously wasn't in the locker room as a player and didn't play as a pro so she's able to more viciously call out the sport on things that elicit eyerolls from the general public but the ex-players and ex-execs and such are more defensive on/try to somewhat rationalize or downplay.
that "players left since" table is such a non-story in this actual story. That's very typical trading, and out of contract, and end of life trades. Nothing to see there tbh
Yeah that was ridiculous.
If the Crows were rebuilding their player list I would agree but this was a team that dominated the 2017 season. A team at their peak shouldn't have had the amount of attrition that Adelaide had, I reckon they missed a premiership because of it.
Adelaide were the best team in the comp in 2017, and you could argue if the GF was played in Adelaide they would've won.
They were good enough to go around again in 2018 and 2019. The camp is the reason all those senior players left, at least half of them were under contract.
It's definitely a story, because the camp is the reason why the exodus happened.
Credit to Eddie Betts and total respect to him.There seems to be a toxic culture there.
Riccuito should be sacked and Gil should resign.
One is still oblivious to the enormity of what went on, the other ignored it.
Throughout the year, players are expected to conduct themselves off and on the field with the ultimate professionalism, yet the top brass at Adelaide and the AFL are getting away with the total opposite.
What happened to Betts is sick, but that is only 1 story we've heard. I can bet each Adelaide player at the time went through similar trauma.
The players association should be on top of this and demandi action. Just the same way the AFL demands its players to adhere to a certain standard.
Stranger than fiction
What we have here is a pooling of ignorance: a group of people (some of whom have form on cultural stuff-ups) who do not understand the issues but are too smug to know it. Ignorance and stupidity can be as damaging as hatred when it comes to areas like this.
Betts said he still loves the club, and hopes his children will play there in the future, they have buckleys,
Is Husker du music .pink turns to blue
Caro just couldn't wait to bang on about the bloody camp again. 😣
Big lawsuit coming.
Two things come to mind about all this and firstly this happened 4 years ago with most of those involved now gone, yes there are still a few of the morons there but continuously dragging this up is not good and unfair to all the new staff and players at the crows. A big part of the hysteria from the media is about trying to get followers and to hurt the club, the main instigators in Wilson and McLure have a past record of attacking certain clubs.
Secondly and most importantly is who in their right mind think crap like what went on in this camp is good and beneficial to anyone? Why is it a positive thing to make people feel crap and embarrassed about themselves! Anyone who resorts to this kind of negative behaviour for whatever reason they have should be prosecuted. The Crows have and still are copping so much flak for this which is deserving but the people that ran the camp have all been but forgotten, they copped some flak at the beginning but it has all been directed at the Crows for most of the time
Nice book promotion we all go to work and are subject to many forms of personal comments and discrimination, you might like to come and work under the Victorian work safe authority, but no matter the colour of our skin or race we all have to live with this as we need to put a roof over our heads and pay bills if I could get 2 million for four years then I’d gladly walk away
Where do I get permission from to use a talking stick?
Well they hear him now don’t they? Idiots should have dealt with it properly at the time.
tht woman who threw tht 🍌 your ftkg family is the first boat people convits
Paul marsh knows nothing on culture or governance.... His only skill is to deflect,deny and lobby extremely hard( ironically effective) on the topic of player salaries ( mens game only, not AFLW )
Caroline Wilson lol. Speaking of taking the game into disrepute, You do it all the time. Wanting board members sacked shows you know you have no idea about boards.I assume this show does not rate.
Hey Eddie, stop butting in and let the conversation flow between commentators.
All they care about is litigation and their careers. If they can get away with racism and scapegoating the vulnerable, they will. A bunch of unethical, unprofessional, bullies with massive egos. I hope they are successfully sued in a class action that acts as a deterrent.
Every crow leader knew what was going on and to cover it up and stil are
Crows have always had an arrogance about themselves, think they are above other club's
As an ex-soldier, the deliberate unpacking of a person and making them what you want is very hurtful. But to turn this into racism is a big stretch. The talking stick is an ancient method of giving the speaker the authority to speak uninterrupted. Its ancient Greek and Roman, we even have the same thing in our parliament, The Speaker. How is this suddenly an aboriginal sacred ritual, come on. If it involves an aboriginal and if they don't approve it. you're a racist. They have belittled the term racism to a point where it doesn't really have an impact now because if you have an opposing view now, you're a racist.
Nobody's saying it was racist. It was culturally insensitive and understandably hurtful.
Talking stick's vary from culture to culture and the club admitted that they used a traditional indigenous talking stick.
The reason for your misunderstanding is the dum media keep saying talking stick only, instead of traditional indigenous talking stick.
They should have used a talking rock lol. problem solved
@@shaundevlin3905 'Sticks' not stick's shaun. The apostrophe you've used indicates a possessive noun. incorrect in this instance 😍😍
@Cliff Booth. Had a rough childhood so did poorly at school. Appreciate you didn't mock me for lack of education but I don't care to be well educated.
All I care about is that my message gets, (or is it get's, or is it gets') through to people dummer than me.😊😊
Eddie Mac has never read a book!
What's wrong with the world i hear so many people say. RE above
Maybe Caro could wear a mask so poor 9pm Ross doesn’t get it
They did break rules. Talking to a counsellor is privileged.
Not learnt a thing.
Tex last year
We love you Eddie
The Crows should have sacked Taylor Walker after his Racist comments.
Wait 4 years to say what he did? Only to sell books, poor form
Your there to talk about football , talk football
Love ya eddie !!
Why hasn’t anyone spoken about Adam saads situation on the program?
Come on Caro...
How can you brand Don Pyke's statements as Hypocrisy when it couldn't be a more obvious case of Hubris, self-realisation and clear remorse for what had occurred. It's the furthest thing from Hypocrisy imaginable.
Get over it Eddie
Another great result under Gillon’s watch . The worst afl ceo in the history of the game . Bye ! Fade away gil!!
Remove Adelaide from the AFL.
Their position in the conception is untenable!
*rolls eyes*
guess we have to remove Essendon and Melbourne and any other club thats had any controvercy then
@@comeatmebro3229 deal. 18 teams is too much!
@@lovegod8582 every team in the AFL has had some form of controversy so i guess we will have a 0 team competition then
Lol so do we remove Melbourne for tanking? West Coast for drug use? Carlton for salary cap rorting? Essendon for illegal supplements? Pies for their endless player scandals? etc.
I think now it's getting to much , thi Eddy and others like him , are keeping on complaining to much . But what this people want ? . All the things that Football AFL doing for them , but they still not happy .
" and i think every little thing they keeping on playing the racist card ".
What exactly does Caro want?
Pretty much everyone involved in this camp is no longer at the club.
You can’t be serious? I don’t know maybe actually own up to it happening, you can’t deny deny deny for four years, then when someone speaks out about, then say ‘it’s been four years we’ve moved on, hopefully Eddie moves on too’ no ownership or sorrow for their actions as a club or admittance of fault, ricciuto is the man to go
Riccuito still there, clock is ticking on him!
I cannot wait to see Gil go. Speed it up. 🇦🇺👎🍺
Rob Chapman. Walking ego
Eddie Betts, future AFL CEO
Hahahahahahahaha
Mark Ricciuto is a MUPPET. Needs to move on ASAP!
First
How about liking the video then you flog
No one cares
@@Samuel-hf3xm well, I do
It's quite an achievement.
Snooze
Let me guess caros wants to see heads roll?
Yes, I believe consequences should happen or else as Caro points out this type of thing will happen again. When did consequences not become a thing, as children we learn them but these people in power get away with so much
@@Yumm... yep half of society should be in prison
As if the idea of a "talking stick" is some kind of sacred concept that only aboriginals have come up with. It is a pretty basic way of letting everyone speak without being spoken over.
Maybe the camp was too intense for some players and did not achieve it's goals. Big deal. If this camp was the worst thing to happen in your life you are not getting any sympathy from me.
betts earning $40,000 -$50,000 a game, multi million dollar contract , adelaide paying this guy HUGE amount of money, not saying its right but lets keep things in perspective, woman and children getting missiles dropped on them at the moment around the world, there must be more important things to worry about?
stupid argument, money doesn't make you immune to abuse
In what world does it make sense for the AFL media, which was created and continues to run because of their coverage of a relatively niche SPORT, to comment on global violence?
I agree. Why isn't this football panel talking about the situation in Ukraine or Gaza???
How can the crows move on from this if it’s been brought up every month since? Absolute spuds but loyd
4 years down the track Ed? Apparently the book is flying off the shelves. Job done… ca Ching $$$
Get over it bigger things happening in the world
Go and sort out the War in Ukraine then.
Ahhh good old whataboutism
Nice Frock Caro
Imagine getting an eyeful of those jubblies.
Can’t believe they are reheating this story again. I went on a terrible school camp in year 10. One night my tent collapsed and I spent the entire night in the rain. Another night, ‘survival night’, we slept ‘under the stars’ - which was really just a freezing cold night with no shelter. It was horrible. I got over it though after about 2 weeks.
You must be joking if you think that this is the same thing.
@@helengracefleming no I don’t think it is the same thing. But it is 4 years ago. At what point do you move on?!
You clearly have no understanding of how trauma works.
A moment of silence for Tom and his collapsed tent
@@THOOODAI thank you. Finally someone cares.