I LOVE the whole Kreya, Nihilus, Sion, Malgus, Revan “situation”/period. I know SO little about it, for all the info there is for it, but just the fact that there’s a point in time where all these massively powerful infamous sith are all around at the same time, and intertwined, not just happening to all exist at the same time. I’m surprised that with all that unparalleled dark side power, that the force wasn’t just almost inconceivably one-sided, but that the jedi were even able to survive, or at least stay connected to the light side at all!
I also dont know much about it. But are those soth powerful when compared to sidious? Or is sidious just on a whole other level? Cause sidious took down the jedi at thier prime. Except mace windu of course he used vaapad to beat him only to get sucker lunched by anakins betrayal after nearly saving the jedi and beating palpatine
@@yoloswaggins5385 TRUE canon(lucas era/PRE-Disney) has palpatine being super strong, but nothing compared to ancient sith(everything everywhere that mentions it, talks about how modern sith and jedi are generally not even comparable to ancient ones, with the exception of Luke, who is the full embodiment of the light side), and even though the new disney garbage makes sidious WAY overpowered, out to be an actual god, which is absurd, BUT unless they ruin star wars even MORE, by bringing specific ancient sith into THEIR canon, and retconning them to be weaker, even if u decided to go with Disney canon overall, palpatine still can’t match the feats that ancient sith did. Disney garbage(the true NON-canon) might state that “sidious is the most powerful sith ever”, but that doesn’t work, because like with so many of their changes and just new ideas, it’s totally contradictory to TONS of stuff, not just the 40+ years of Star Wars lore before them, but including their OWN stuff, cause they clearly just hired toddlers to write and direct all their stuff. Anyone who goes by Disney Star Wars as the actual canon has to literally disregard EVERYTHING that Disney didn’t do, even including the first 6 movies(making only the new comics, tv shows, and episodes 7,8,&9 canon!), since even THOSE are contradictory to each other. They also have to accept they Star Wars now doesn’t flow well or make a ton of sense.
Uh yeah, no shit, lol, how Disney can even try and state Sidious to be more powerful than Vitiate with a straight face is beyond me. Dude created a side empire in his spare time and then steamrolled the Republic and the Sith Empire at the same time. And that’s on top of being something like 1500 years old with the power to dominate literally thousands of Sith Lords with his mind simultaneously. I mean shit, the Sith Emperor even bested both Revan & Malak when they went in search of the puppet master who manipulated the Mandalorian War with the Republic. And it’s not like those two were slouches by any means
REVAN ❔ WINDU actually was seconds away from destroying the only sith lord at the time in Palpatine. Of course a moment later " DARTH " VADER arises the new sith apprentice concluding the rule of 2.
Kinda lame though. Windu only has a purple lightsaber because Samuel Jackson wanted one. Soo writing a "prophecy" around "a guy with a purple lightsaber" YEARS AFTER Windu's story concluded just seems very lazy and contrived. Prophecies have always been a lame literary crutch but I can't think of a better example than this.
I think this prophecy, coupled with the inheritance of shatter points, could mean that Darth Traya’s peering into the future directly affected it, and could explain why mace windu’s lightsaber is purple
Samuel L. Jackson’s Nokia bursts into a sudden fit of buzzing and chirping on his coffee table, disturbing his phlegmatic moment of sitting cross-legged. “Muthafuka…” he mutters under his breath, as he reaches for the sputtering, robust receiver. It’s George. “What does THIS mothafuka want?” he asks himself. He pauses. His thumb caresses the black pleather cover of his mobile device as he dithers. Samuel wrestles with undetected ambivalence as he decides whether to ignore this mothfucka that just interrupted his time of sitting cross-legged, or answer the mothafukin phone. In an instant, a caucasoid, elderly feminine voice invades his black, empowered grey matter. "They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and in the end…” “What in the crackajack fuk is this bi**h talkin bout?” Samuel L. Jackson’s internal dialogue interjects. The voice drones on, “the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi…” The phone still blathering and rattling across the surface of the table. Jackson still thumbing its protective case, just as unnecessary as his use of the word muthafuka. “A pimp! Slain by a pimp,” the eerie voice corrects itself. “… with a purple lightsaber.” Samuel L. Jackson squints.
Darth Traya, was by far the most powerful Sith in my opinion. She could easily handle Sidious and Vader. Shutting off a force sensitive to the force, seemingly at will, trumps most abilities.
Nihilus fed on souls of entire planets and was only able to exist within a mask and cloak through hatred and the force! By far the most metal sith and my personal favorite sith. If I remember right he ripped a starship in half with the force. He was an absolute terror! The fact that he and sion wanted to stop treya shows how terrifying she is.
Revan was the chosen one. The prophecy came true twice, with Revan and Anakin. Revan brought balance. He fell to the dark side and destroyed the Jedi (just like Anakin). Then he was redeemed and killed the other Sith lord (Malak, just like Anakin killed Sidious). Also, I find it interesting that the two Jedi who killed Mandalore himself (although Jango wasn't a true Mandalorian) both wielded purple blades. It's possible that Traya's prophecy also came true twice, with Revan killing Mandalore the Ultimate, and Windu killing Jango Fett. Both are also among the top 4 most powerful Jedi ever in my opinion (my list would probably go Revan - Luke - Yoda - Windu).
In legends Luke and Jacen both figure out shatterpoint by themselves, and Luke even teaches it to Jaina too. I don’t think it an inherited ability, I think you just have to be very in tune and strong with the force to unlock the ability to use it. And there aren’t many in legends stronger in the force than Luke and Jacen/Caedus
Take a blue saber and a red saber. Mix the colors and tell me what you get? I was always on the verge of the Darkside. So if I return it will likely be with great vengeance and furious anger toward those who would destroy my Jedi brothers, and you will know my name is Mace, when I lay my vengeance upon thee!
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He was scary regardless all he had to do was not fall to the dark side be super arrogant and ruin his potential his own arrogance and falling to the darkside cost him his potential but given a couple more years in the light he wouldve surpassed mace windu and yoda at a super young age around the end of revenge of the sith before he went to dark side he was already passed most of the jedi council as it was and still only rank of Jedi knight. Id say more than half of them at least except probably plo koon mace windu yoda and maybe a couple others not sure but hes definitely up there id put him slightly past obi wan even though obi wan definitely beat his ass but that was due to him mastering soresu and knowing anakin holding him off till anakin inevitably made a mistake but hes comparable to obi wan and kit fisto id say but less than plo koon. Imagine if he just didnt go ruin it he wouldnt need shatterpoint at all
This just makes me think that shatter points are almost like fate points where things that need to happen do so when they need to. When Mace Windu uses one to defeat an opponent, this information suggests to me that he was always going to do so. He just gets to see the "behind the scenes" action because of his ability. Maybe this is the force exerting its will on the universe in an autonomous way
Imagining Mace Windu as an incarnation of Darth Traya. Or at the very least like you said, connected to her in some way. Perhaps he was trained by her telepathically. Actual chills, should he come back.
What if Mace Windu is just Traya reincarnated, and she didn’t understand that she was seeing a potential future journey for her complete soul, or future self’s eyes?
Everyone talks about Mace Windu but forgets in legends he had a far mor powerful brother by the name of Kar Vastor whom was not a Jedi but a powerful force wielder from Mace's tribe and his powers actually are what inspire Mace to Develop Vapod in the first place.
In Legends Shatterpoint cold be taught, and in the Shatterpoint novel, Mace outright states that every Jedri Master, at some point develop the ability to some degree, and in the NJO, Luke learns it from a recording from Mace o a Jedi Holocron he recovered, and teaches it to Jaina Solo in order of preparing her for their final duel with her twin brother Darth Caedus. What is said in the Shatterpoint novel about the Shatterpoint ability, specially Mace's extremely high level in this avility. Is that even though it can be taught to some degree, only people who develop or inherit this ability naturally can achieve Mace's level of seeing not only the Shatterpoint of things, or the immediate cosequences actions, Mace, Luke and Traya could see Shatterpoint in situations and not only about their immediate consequences, but they can see their long term effects, they could see the Shatterpoints fluidly and changing as situations evolve, and also the far reaching consequences of these ever changing fault lines. That's why I the begginingof the novel he says that in Geonosis he was right, but made the a questionable decision, because he saw that at that specific point in time and space, Dooku was the Shatterpoint of the whole CIS and of the Sith plans as well, if he had put aside his feeling for Dooku, who he viewed as a close friend, and killed Dooku there, there would be no war and the Sith would fall once more. But his feelings and respect for Dooku, kept him from drawing his blade pointing to him, so when he reveals himself on Dooku's booth on the Geonosis Arena, he draws his blade and points it to Jango Fett, and that was his greatest mistake, but he also thought he was right I not attempt killing Dooku, because. he thought he couldn't kill Dooku and keep his emotions in check at the same time.l, as dangerous as Dooku was as a Dark Sider, if Mace eventually turned to the Dark it would be way worse.
Marka ragnos the most respected ancient sith lord ever deemed exar kun more worthy of the sith legacy than darth tenebrae I believe exar kun was the second sith ari and equal to emperor papaltine reborn in raw force power potential acknowledge and skills
I had never heard that Jengo was Mandelor. If he was supposed to be leading the Mandelorians why did it seem like he spent years living with the Kamonians?
I still believe that by cutting off his hand Anakin saved Windu from falling to the dark side. And after Palpatine killed Windu he took advantage of an emotional and confused Anakin and flipped him to the dark side.
@@karlrovey fair enough, inconsistency is a bitch lol but whose to say that in the initial time time of inheritance multiple bloodlines had the ability. What or who ever imbued this as an inheritance could have done so to a select few "binding" it to those bloodlines. Of course this rabbit hole just becomes more hearsay lol. This could all come down to passing a certain threshold in force power as well as understanding
It might be that if Jango hadn't died, he would've brought Mandalore into an alliance or at least a truce with the Empire. That could've at least delayed the destruction of Mandalore long enough for the Empire to fall.
Wonder if Mace ever Heard of this Prophecy naming HIM an what it meant to him... Seeing as he was familiar with the Jedi Prophesy for sure.. BUT one from the Sith... Wonder if he'd be shocked an appalled or maybe his darker side be a bit flattered even
This is the age ole prophesy question, if you are told something would it impact your decisions to become more like the prophecy or was the prophesy what you were meant to be in the end anyways. Regardless. Interesting question. I think if you knew of a prophesy it would allow you to make decisions to where you could be more than what it was should you make conscious decisions.
So I'm pretty sure the story containing this prophecy was written after the movie came out bcuz Sam specifically asked for a purple lightsaber so he could see his character when watching the movie.
ive never really thought about this, but the more i think about it, this makes perfect sense, but at the same time, Yoda also works perfectly as an opposite of Sidious, in terms of being fully in the dark side, and Yoda being fully in the light, they are both old, but what confuses me about who is more of the opposite, is the fact that Sidious beat Yoda, but Mace beat Sidious, an opposite would likely end in both of them dying or a tie, what do you think?
@@juliannnnnnnnnnnnn My thinking was more along the line of the poetry between Sidious and Windu after the fact. To answer your question a tie would be more likely as the force needs balance of dark and light. The script was more towards Yoda being Sidious' rival, but over time it seems that duo was more out of convention. The fan fiction unwilling to believe Windu would let himself die and not get revenge on Sidious shows Windu has become an unofficial rivalry of sorts (think Holmes/Moriarty, Batman/Joker, or Hulk/Wolverine). I had similar feelings about how the Trilogies also had a Kenobi sub narrative. From his point of view instead of Skywalker as Kenobi was a consistent observer, which would have been completed if Rey was his grand-daughter and not Sidious'. Though the story took a different conclusion of course (yet is Rey's mother perhaps a Kenobi who found a kinship with the son of the former emperor as two people, whom the force skipped a generation and could relate to each other due to that fact - just a thought).
What was it that guy said in Mando? "Normally, I have to seek out remnants of you Mandalorians, in your hidden hives, to harvest your precious, shiny shells."
darth treia could have also been talking about revan because he fought mandalore the ultimate and beat him in single combat with a purple lightsaber in one hand and blue in the other
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 in my opinion obi wan was not ruined. The show was mid and some story bits felt like they were written by a kid, but the character himself was not ruined in any way personally i enjoyed seeing him after the events with anakin. The show was not a massage machine but it scratched my itch. Luke however became a disservice to everything he stood for. Genuanly baffled at the atrocity commited there.
Jengo Fett was not the only leader of the mandalore at the time. Pre Vizsla was also a leader of another splinter group of mandalorians as we saw in the clone wars series. Pre Vizsla was later defeated in combat by Darth Maul making him the new leader.
Just a note here I believe she was talking about Luke and boba not mace and jango, evidence to my thinking is in her statements. "All there culture embodied in a shell of their armor". Jango's armor is pristine and very much reflects the pride of the mandalorians. Meanwhile to look at the state that it is in while boba wears it, it seems to be a "shell" of its former glory. I agree that "upon the shell of a man" means a clone. But that too would more closely fit boba not jango. Jango was proud defiant and not only did he seem full of life but went out in the mandalorian way fighting a worthy opponent. Talk about a life fulfilled. In contrast look at the broken mess of Boba's life from the moment he picked up his father's helmet, you can feel the echo of hollowness created in the boy. But the real kicker is this statement. "To EASILY defeated by a jedi". Mace and jango was a fight it started on a balcony and involved a back and forth. However easy mace made it look jango got some hits in. Luke escaped disarmed and arguably defeated boba without a sweat. And the circumstance of his death by han turning around smacks of easy. Also let us remember until book of Boba fett that man died there... yes I know in legends he escaped but there were always conflicting stories about that. Also from other stuff kriea says she always seems to be hinting to movie stuff not legends stuff. Lastly before the clone wars and before rebels which this game is made boba and jango were the last of the mandalorians. They only really exist as a concept. Because of boba fett, and kriea was talking about there end/death, in that prophecy. Which until those shows was fett in a sarlac pit... just one man's opinion
Except that Boba was a clone of Jango, Mandalorion foundling. Boba was not a Mandalorion himself. Also Luke never used a purple lightsaber, which was part of the prophecy.
@@irishK6566 I just played the game and no where in that referenced quote did I hear mention of a purple lightsaber but ill boot up my save again and check.
"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi." - Darth Traya. Exact quote, no mention of lightsabers or colors. But as I said just one man's opinion, Evidence above. And with the vagueness of the prophecy it very well could be a "bring balance to the force" problem of interpretation. I however sighted why I feel it fits Luke and boba better than mace and jango. I could be very wrong I'm just stating what I see... from a certain point of view.
@@NakedNinja-gt9ck even without talking about the lightsaber, Boba was not a Mandalorion. He was only a clone of a Mandalorion foundling and wore the armor. I believe even the game recognized that difference.
@@irishK6566 which fits the quote fairly well. No mandalorians just a shell of a man (see clone) in a shell of THEIR armor, not his I mention. Who was taught as a young boy their history and code. But never really followed it. I say that's a bang on description of boba fett. Not jango who we can definitely both agree on that as far as the prequel trilogy is concerned is the last mandalorian. But kriea seems to be talking about the death of every thing they are. which given the time line of when the game came out means boba in a sarlac pit. Also how could you call jango a shell of a man. That guy lived life to its fullest whether it was training clones or killing 6 jedi with his bare hands (actually happens in the comics). That dude was all that is mandalorian. No hollow shell need apply lol.
“To believe in an idea is to be willing to betray it.” - Kreia Echoing thousands of years into the future to where her Jedi counterpart, Mace Windu could hear it, Mace Windu betrayed the Jedi Code and resolved to kill Palpatine. Maybe we called Mace a hypocrite far too hastily.
VERY dark theory "I suffered... Indignities..." Was an implication of rape. You said Shatterpoint is inherited. Maybe Treya had a child from that event? A child she'd undoubtedly abandon somewhere. That child maybe survived and led to Mace Windu's lineage thousands of years later. It would explain how they both have Shatterpoint and why Treya/Kreia is so often depicted with purple sabers
wish there's a Star Wars trilogy on Kreya, Darth Nihilus, Revan etc.. those times would be interesting from the story of Knights of the old Republic 1 and 2.
I just realized that on the UA-cam app, the skip add button automatically swaps places with the subscribe button if you don’t click it fast enough you just accidentally subscribed. Def need a theory video on this lol
I never understood the balance argument. If you make the sith win, there is no balance. If you make the jedi win, there is no balance. If you kill all jedi and all sith, that's not balance either. Balance doesn't make sense, it should not be about balance it should be about peace. That's why the good guys should win.
Siths of the Old: "Whoever is reading this prophecy, beware of *Darth Negro* for his wrath shines brighter than his Amethyst Lightsaber, his rage knows no bounds and he will destroy both the Sith legacy and Jedi Order, none will be sparred. To identify him, he will use the phrase " mothaf*cka" allot and every time he says this his power will increase twice fold"
THIS, over the spectrum of time, many prophesies will show itself again and gain amongst multiple people and story lines. Did it occur, is it happening or will it happen in the future???? That is the question.
Ancient Sith be like: In the future, there is going to be an asshole and arrogant Jedi who will end up screwing the Jedi order over and the Sith will finally rule.
WTF?!.. This just makes the Disney trilogy even worse.... Something I keep thinking isn't possible. It's such shallow shit writing looking for a paycheck. They literally made the prequels GOOD!.. That takes purposeful effort ignore so much. Great video. Please keep them coming.
That performance would be hard to replicate, but for some reason I think Kate Mulgrew would be an excellent recasting of Kreia if they ever brought the character back in live action.
Is the the blind old lady from KOTOR 2? I remember it's either the first or second game you get a creepy old lady who is neither light nor dark and she resembles this character alot
How did anakin bring balance to the force he literally destroyed the Jedi literally crippling them and I thought sidious didn’t die ? DID HE NOT COME BACK in rise of skywalker or last Jedi ? So he didn’t destroy the sith there very much still here yet the Jedi are barely HOW IS THAT BALNCE CAN SUM1 explain to me ?
what about the story that Samuel Jackson said that, before the battle on Geononsis, "how wil i stand out in a battle that big? Give me a purple light saber and I'll do it." Is the story around his purple light saber just cover up?
I like to believe Mace windu is still alive in cryo sleep in some world that Dooku erased on the star charts after his battle with Sidious thats one reason Yoda never batted an eye after he heard he lost a duo to Sidous.
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"Always in motion the future is"
- Master Yoda
Isn't it always emotion is the future???
I LOVE the whole Kreya, Nihilus, Sion, Malgus, Revan “situation”/period. I know SO little about it, for all the info there is for it, but just the fact that there’s a point in time where all these massively powerful infamous sith are all around at the same time, and intertwined, not just happening to all exist at the same time. I’m surprised that with all that unparalleled dark side power, that the force wasn’t just almost inconceivably one-sided, but that the jedi were even able to survive, or at least stay connected to the light side at all!
It was a crazy crazy time for the star wars universe, that’s why the old republic era is awesome
I also dont know much about it. But are those soth powerful when compared to sidious? Or is sidious just on a whole other level? Cause sidious took down the jedi at thier prime. Except mace windu of course he used vaapad to beat him only to get sucker lunched by anakins betrayal after nearly saving the jedi and beating palpatine
@@yoloswaggins5385 TRUE canon(lucas era/PRE-Disney) has palpatine being super strong, but nothing compared to ancient sith(everything everywhere that mentions it, talks about how modern sith and jedi are generally not even comparable to ancient ones, with the exception of Luke, who is the full embodiment of the light side), and even though the new disney garbage makes sidious WAY overpowered, out to be an actual god, which is absurd, BUT unless they ruin star wars even MORE, by bringing specific ancient sith into THEIR canon, and retconning them to be weaker, even if u decided to go with Disney canon overall, palpatine still can’t match the feats that ancient sith did. Disney garbage(the true NON-canon) might state that “sidious is the most powerful sith ever”, but that doesn’t work, because like with so many of their changes and just new ideas, it’s totally contradictory to TONS of stuff, not just the 40+ years of Star Wars lore before them, but including their OWN stuff, cause they clearly just hired toddlers to write and direct all their stuff.
Anyone who goes by Disney Star Wars as the actual canon has to literally disregard EVERYTHING that Disney didn’t do, even including the first 6 movies(making only the new comics, tv shows, and episodes 7,8,&9 canon!), since even THOSE are contradictory to each other. They also have to accept they Star Wars now doesn’t flow well or make a ton of sense.
These were hundreds of years apart lol
Uh yeah, no shit, lol, how Disney can even try and state Sidious to be more powerful than Vitiate with a straight face is beyond me. Dude created a side empire in his spare time and then steamrolled the Republic and the Sith Empire at the same time. And that’s on top of being something like 1500 years old with the power to dominate literally thousands of Sith Lords with his mind simultaneously. I mean shit, the Sith Emperor even bested both Revan & Malak when they went in search of the puppet master who manipulated the Mandalorian War with the Republic. And it’s not like those two were slouches by any means
Jedi Master Mace Windu is a beast so legendary even the flow of time travels to speak of his legend through the force.
REVAN ❔ WINDU actually was seconds away from destroying the only sith lord at the time in Palpatine. Of course a moment later " DARTH " VADER arises the new sith apprentice concluding the rule of 2.
"You keep what you kill"
Lol
If windu killed off palpatine the prophecy will never be fulfilled. Because the Jedi is still using dark side energy.
I never knew that there was a prophecy that could completely connect to Mace Windu! This brings the prequels and the Clone Wars a whole new meaning!
Kinda lame though. Windu only has a purple lightsaber because Samuel Jackson wanted one.
Soo writing a "prophecy" around "a guy with a purple lightsaber" YEARS AFTER Windu's story concluded just seems very lazy and contrived. Prophecies have always been a lame literary crutch but I can't think of a better example than this.
@@ssheeesshit’s just world building your take sounds like a personal hate of such things
@@Grim-dd9yf I love world building you goober.
I think this prophecy, coupled with the inheritance of shatter points, could mean that Darth Traya’s peering into the future directly affected it, and could explain why mace windu’s lightsaber is purple
Samuel L. Jackson’s Nokia bursts into a sudden fit of buzzing and chirping on his coffee table, disturbing his phlegmatic moment of sitting cross-legged. “Muthafuka…” he mutters under his breath, as he reaches for the sputtering, robust receiver. It’s George. “What does THIS mothafuka want?” he asks himself. He pauses. His thumb caresses the black pleather cover of his mobile device as he dithers. Samuel wrestles with undetected ambivalence as he decides whether to ignore this mothfucka that just interrupted his time of sitting cross-legged, or answer the mothafukin phone.
In an instant, a caucasoid, elderly feminine voice invades his black, empowered grey matter. "They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and in the end…” “What in the crackajack fuk is this bi**h talkin bout?” Samuel L. Jackson’s internal dialogue interjects. The voice drones on, “the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi…”
The phone still blathering and rattling across the surface of the table. Jackson still thumbing its protective case, just as unnecessary as his use of the word muthafuka. “A pimp! Slain by a pimp,” the eerie voice corrects itself. “… with a purple lightsaber.” Samuel L. Jackson squints.
Wow, makes me love windu more. Its amazing how much lore is packed into this lifestyle
Darth Traya, was by far the most powerful Sith in my opinion. She could easily handle Sidious and Vader. Shutting off a force sensitive to the force, seemingly at will, trumps most abilities.
She powerful but she got overtaken by nihilus and sion, nobody could beat nihilus
Nihilus fed on souls of entire planets and was only able to exist within a mask and cloak through hatred and the force! By far the most metal sith and my personal favorite sith. If I remember right he ripped a starship in half with the force. He was an absolute terror! The fact that he and sion wanted to stop treya shows how terrifying she is.
@@DJPhantom69420 note that it took two insanely powerful Sith to stop her at the same time. She could have easily bested them individually.
Really happy to see representation of KOTOR and the 2D clone wars, two of my favorite iterations of SW
"MACE WiNDU: No. If what you told me is true, you will have gained my trust, but for now, remain here."
ANAKIN: Yes, Master."
I always wonder why Windu's Shatterpoint ability didn't trigger right there.
❤Kreia ❤
If Mace Windu is a blood relative of Kreia, that would be awesome!
Not even necessary. A bond through The Force is far more powerful than blood.
Revan was the chosen one. The prophecy came true twice, with Revan and Anakin. Revan brought balance. He fell to the dark side and destroyed the Jedi (just like Anakin). Then he was redeemed and killed the other Sith lord (Malak, just like Anakin killed Sidious).
Also, I find it interesting that the two Jedi who killed Mandalore himself (although Jango wasn't a true Mandalorian) both wielded purple blades. It's possible that Traya's prophecy also came true twice, with Revan killing Mandalore the Ultimate, and Windu killing Jango Fett. Both are also among the top 4 most powerful Jedi ever in my opinion (my list would probably go Revan - Luke - Yoda - Windu).
Nomi Sunrider, Lord Hoth.
They literally said he was in the mandalorian
@@Gundamxking1997 they mention Revan in there? I haven’t watched it yet, I was gonna start soon.
I’m talking bout jango
Jango is a mandalorian
I mean she also used purple light sabers herself one of the few to do so
In legends Luke and Jacen both figure out shatterpoint by themselves, and Luke even teaches it to Jaina too. I don’t think it an inherited ability, I think you just have to be very in tune and strong with the force to unlock the ability to use it. And there aren’t many in legends stronger in the force than Luke and Jacen/Caedus
There should be a video of why in the rule of two Era before Sidius why aliens where considered best chose of sith
Take a blue saber and a red saber. Mix the colors and tell me what you get? I was always on the verge of the Darkside. So if I return it will likely be with great vengeance and furious anger toward those who would destroy my Jedi brothers, and you will know my name is Mace, when I lay my vengeance upon thee!
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Can you imagine how scary Anakin Skywalker would be if he had shatter point?
He was scary regardless all he had to do was not fall to the dark side be super arrogant and ruin his potential his own arrogance and falling to the darkside cost him his potential but given a couple more years in the light he wouldve surpassed mace windu and yoda at a super young age around the end of revenge of the sith before he went to dark side he was already passed most of the jedi council as it was and still only rank of Jedi knight. Id say more than half of them at least except probably plo koon mace windu yoda and maybe a couple others not sure but hes definitely up there id put him slightly past obi wan even though obi wan definitely beat his ass but that was due to him mastering soresu and knowing anakin holding him off till anakin inevitably made a mistake but hes comparable to obi wan and kit fisto id say but less than plo koon. Imagine if he just didnt go ruin it he wouldnt need shatterpoint at all
Anakin was a simp
This just makes me think that shatter points are almost like fate points where things that need to happen do so when they need to. When Mace Windu uses one to defeat an opponent, this information suggests to me that he was always going to do so. He just gets to see the "behind the scenes" action because of his ability. Maybe this is the force exerting its will on the universe in an autonomous way
Imagining Mace Windu as an incarnation of Darth Traya. Or at the very least like you said, connected to her in some way. Perhaps he was trained by her telepathically. Actual chills, should he come back.
What if Mace Windu is just Traya reincarnated, and she didn’t understand that she was seeing a potential future journey for her complete soul, or future self’s eyes?
I think that Jango could have benefitted from studying under Patches O'Houlihan. He never learned to dodge, duck, dip, diive, and dooodge. 😵
I remember this lady from star wars nights of the old republic 2 . Crazy final battle.. I remember that in the game she said they erased her mind .
Everyone talks about Mace Windu but forgets in legends he had a far mor powerful brother by the name of Kar Vastor whom was not a Jedi but a powerful force wielder from Mace's tribe and his powers actually are what inspire Mace to Develop Vapod in the first place.
In Legends Shatterpoint cold be taught, and in the Shatterpoint novel, Mace outright states that every Jedri Master, at some point develop the ability to some degree, and in the NJO, Luke learns it from a recording from Mace o a Jedi Holocron he recovered, and teaches it to Jaina Solo in order of preparing her for their final duel with her twin brother Darth Caedus.
What is said in the Shatterpoint novel about the Shatterpoint ability, specially Mace's extremely high level in this avility. Is that even though it can be taught to some degree, only people who develop or inherit this ability naturally can achieve Mace's level of seeing not only the Shatterpoint of things, or the immediate cosequences actions, Mace, Luke and Traya could see Shatterpoint in situations and not only about their immediate consequences, but they can see their long term effects, they could see the Shatterpoints fluidly and changing as situations evolve, and also the far reaching consequences of these ever changing fault lines.
That's why I the begginingof the novel he says that in Geonosis he was right, but made the a questionable decision, because he saw that at that specific point in time and space, Dooku was the Shatterpoint of the whole CIS and of the Sith plans as well, if he had put aside his feeling for Dooku, who he viewed as a close friend, and killed Dooku there, there would be no war and the Sith would fall once more. But his feelings and respect for Dooku, kept him from drawing his blade pointing to him, so when he reveals himself on Dooku's booth on the Geonosis Arena, he draws his blade and points it to Jango Fett, and that was his greatest mistake, but he also thought he was right I not attempt killing Dooku, because. he thought he couldn't kill Dooku and keep his emotions in check at the same time.l, as dangerous as Dooku was as a Dark Sider, if Mace eventually turned to the Dark it would be way worse.
Marka ragnos the most respected ancient sith lord ever deemed exar kun more worthy of the sith legacy than darth tenebrae I believe exar kun was the second sith ari and equal to emperor papaltine reborn in raw force power potential acknowledge and skills
I had never heard that Jengo was Mandelor. If he was supposed to be leading the Mandelorians why did it seem like he spent years living with the Kamonians?
I still believe that by cutting off his hand Anakin saved Windu from falling to the dark side. And after Palpatine killed Windu he took advantage of an emotional and confused Anakin and flipped him to the dark side.
i don't think mace windu would have ever fallen to the dark said just because samuel L Jackson needs a purple lightsaber
@@jansonshrock2859 he was always a dark jedi
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Part of Windu's prowess being his ability to walk the tightrope when needed, but never falling.
What if that connection at least in legends means that Darth Traya is Mace Windu's ancestor since this force ability has to be inherited
Jaina Solo was able to learn that ability in Legends, so there is some inconsistency there.
@@karlrovey fair enough, inconsistency is a bitch lol but whose to say that in the initial time time of inheritance multiple bloodlines had the ability. What or who ever imbued this as an inheritance could have done so to a select few "binding" it to those bloodlines. Of course this rabbit hole just becomes more hearsay lol. This could all come down to passing a certain threshold in force power as well as understanding
That wouldn't make any sense
Darth Sion raped Her tho, didint He?
@@darthbane5357 cause mace windu is black lmao
Yes please, more Darth Traya
Okay this is the best video I’ve seen in a while!
It might be that if Jango hadn't died, he would've brought Mandalore into an alliance or at least a truce with the Empire. That could've at least delayed the destruction of Mandalore long enough for the Empire to fall.
We need more OF mace ADVENTURES.. . How he started and got the purple saber
Wonder if Mace ever Heard of this Prophecy naming HIM an what it meant to him... Seeing as he was familiar with the Jedi Prophesy for sure.. BUT one from the Sith... Wonder if he'd be shocked an appalled or maybe his darker side be a bit flattered even
Considering he created Vaapad he probably saw it as a gift he could harness
This is the age ole prophesy question, if you are told something would it impact your decisions to become more like the prophecy or was the prophesy what you were meant to be in the end anyways. Regardless. Interesting question. I think if you knew of a prophesy it would allow you to make decisions to where you could be more than what it was should you make conscious decisions.
Her name was Darth Trayus and also went by Kreia. She was Revan's master back when they were Jedi.
Awesome...Mace is one of my all time favorites
So I'm pretty sure the story containing this prophecy was written after the movie came out bcuz Sam specifically asked for a purple lightsaber so he could see his character when watching the movie.
We neeed a Mace Windu and Yoda series
Sidious' opposite was not really Yoda but Windu. As long as Sidious lives so must Windu as his opposite manifestation.
ive never really thought about this, but the more i think about it, this makes perfect sense, but at the same time, Yoda also works perfectly as an opposite of Sidious, in terms of being fully in the dark side, and Yoda being fully in the light, they are both old, but what confuses me about who is more of the opposite, is the fact that Sidious beat Yoda, but Mace beat Sidious, an opposite would likely end in both of them dying or a tie, what do you think?
@@juliannnnnnnnnnnnn My thinking was more along the line of the poetry between Sidious and Windu after the fact. To answer your question a tie would be more likely as the force needs balance of dark and light. The script was more towards Yoda being Sidious' rival, but over time it seems that duo was more out of convention. The fan fiction unwilling to believe Windu would let himself die and not get revenge on Sidious shows Windu has become an unofficial rivalry of sorts (think Holmes/Moriarty, Batman/Joker, or Hulk/Wolverine). I had similar feelings about how the Trilogies also had a Kenobi sub narrative. From his point of view instead of Skywalker as Kenobi was a consistent observer, which would have been completed if Rey was his grand-daughter and not Sidious'. Though the story took a different conclusion of course (yet is Rey's mother perhaps a Kenobi who found a kinship with the son of the former emperor as two people, whom the force skipped a generation and could relate to each other due to that fact - just a thought).
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Technically Sidious didn't beat Ypda. They fought to a draw until the troops steamed in and ended their 1v1.
What was it that guy said in Mando? "Normally, I have to seek out remnants of you Mandalorians, in your hidden hives, to harvest your precious, shiny shells."
yes please share further about darth trayah
So would Darth Treya have been a match for Sidious because she could see shatter points the same way Windu could...?
vs canon pretty easy imo. legends would be a different story though
darth treia could have also been talking about revan because he fought mandalore the ultimate and beat him in single combat with a purple lightsaber in one hand and blue in the other
You have to watch the entire video to know she wasn’t talking about Revan
I heard they're bringing back Anakins mom. Nobody is gonna know her but yeah she dug her way out and walked away
Another Electric Mace Windu video… Thank you
I really want a mace windu film or series.
Disney will ruin him like they did to obi wan and luke
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 unfortunately that is so true
Unfortunately that is so sad and true. 😔
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 in my opinion obi wan was not ruined. The show was mid and some story bits felt like they were written by a kid, but the character himself was not ruined in any way personally i enjoyed seeing him after the events with anakin. The show was not a massage machine but it scratched my itch.
Luke however became a disservice to everything he stood for. Genuanly baffled at the atrocity commited there.
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Obi Wan was redeemed at the end of the series (compared to the start) let’s not pretend he wasn’t.
His reintroduction should have someone use force lightning then reveal that it’s him
Man you are an amazing narrator I want to meet you one day!
Treya was goated and windu shouldve ultimately survived.
darth treya is one of my favorites. absolutely want to see more on her :)
Jengo Fett was not the only leader of the mandalore at the time. Pre Vizsla was also a leader of another splinter group of mandalorians as we saw in the clone wars series. Pre Vizsla was later defeated in combat by Darth Maul making him the new leader.
Jango Fett wasn't a leader... he was barely even a mandalorian.
There should be a prophecy of him defeating the sith...
Just a note here I believe she was talking about Luke and boba not mace and jango, evidence to my thinking is in her statements. "All there culture embodied in a shell of their armor". Jango's armor is pristine and very much reflects the pride of the mandalorians. Meanwhile to look at the state that it is in while boba wears it, it seems to be a "shell" of its former glory. I agree that "upon the shell of a man" means a clone. But that too would more closely fit boba not jango. Jango was proud defiant and not only did he seem full of life but went out in the mandalorian way fighting a worthy opponent. Talk about a life fulfilled. In contrast look at the broken mess of Boba's life from the moment he picked up his father's helmet, you can feel the echo of hollowness created in the boy. But the real kicker is this statement. "To EASILY defeated by a jedi". Mace and jango was a fight it started on a balcony and involved a back and forth. However easy mace made it look jango got some hits in. Luke escaped disarmed and arguably defeated boba without a sweat. And the circumstance of his death by han turning around smacks of easy. Also let us remember until book of Boba fett that man died there... yes I know in legends he escaped but there were always conflicting stories about that. Also from other stuff kriea says she always seems to be hinting to movie stuff not legends stuff. Lastly before the clone wars and before rebels which this game is made boba and jango were the last of the mandalorians. They only really exist as a concept. Because of boba fett, and kriea was talking about there end/death, in that prophecy. Which until those shows was fett in a sarlac pit... just one man's opinion
Except that Boba was a clone of Jango, Mandalorion foundling. Boba was not a Mandalorion himself. Also Luke never used a purple lightsaber, which was part of the prophecy.
@@irishK6566 I just played the game and no where in that referenced quote did I hear mention of a purple lightsaber but ill boot up my save again and check.
"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi." - Darth Traya. Exact quote, no mention of lightsabers or colors. But as I said just one man's opinion, Evidence above. And with the vagueness of the prophecy it very well could be a "bring balance to the force" problem of interpretation. I however sighted why I feel it fits Luke and boba better than mace and jango. I could be very wrong I'm just stating what I see... from a certain point of view.
@@NakedNinja-gt9ck even without talking about the lightsaber, Boba was not a Mandalorion. He was only a clone of a Mandalorion foundling and wore the armor. I believe even the game recognized that difference.
@@irishK6566 which fits the quote fairly well. No mandalorians just a shell of a man (see clone) in a shell of THEIR armor, not his I mention. Who was taught as a young boy their history and code. But never really followed it. I say that's a bang on description of boba fett. Not jango who we can definitely both agree on that as far as the prequel trilogy is concerned is the last mandalorian. But kriea seems to be talking about the death of every thing they are. which given the time line of when the game came out means boba in a sarlac pit. Also how could you call jango a shell of a man. That guy lived life to its fullest whether it was training clones or killing 6 jedi with his bare hands (actually happens in the comics). That dude was all that is mandalorian. No hollow shell need apply lol.
I think we need a Windu and Trea trilogy movie or D+ series.
“To believe in an idea is to be willing to betray it.”
- Kreia
Echoing thousands of years into the future to where her Jedi counterpart, Mace Windu could hear it, Mace Windu betrayed the Jedi Code and resolved to kill Palpatine. Maybe we called Mace a hypocrite far too hastily.
You know it would have been nice if the Chosen One brought balance to the Force by not turning both sides into dumpster fires.
VERY dark theory
"I suffered... Indignities..." Was an implication of rape. You said Shatterpoint is inherited. Maybe Treya had a child from that event? A child she'd undoubtedly abandon somewhere. That child maybe survived and led to Mace Windu's lineage thousands of years later. It would explain how they both have Shatterpoint and why Treya/Kreia is so often depicted with purple sabers
wish there's a Star Wars trilogy on Kreya, Darth Nihilus, Revan etc.. those times would be interesting from the story of Knights of the old Republic 1 and 2.
I just realized that on the UA-cam app, the skip add button automatically swaps places with the subscribe button if you don’t click it fast enough you just accidentally subscribed. Def need a theory video on this lol
I never understood the balance argument. If you make the sith win, there is no balance. If you make the jedi win, there is no balance. If you kill all jedi and all sith, that's not balance either. Balance doesn't make sense, it should not be about balance it should be about peace. That's why the good guys should win.
Siths of the Old: "Whoever is reading this prophecy, beware of *Darth Negro* for his wrath shines brighter than his Amethyst Lightsaber, his rage knows no bounds and he will destroy both the Sith legacy and Jedi Order, none will be sparred. To identify him, he will use the phrase " mothaf*cka" allot and every time he says this his power will increase twice fold"
I want old republic movies is my opinion to this
That’s wicked that’s bad ass Sith lord And Mase Windu is dope
Frankly, Kreia needs her own series. I'd watch the hell out of that.
Prophecy is dangerous because given enough time, assumptions, and observation, they'll all come true
THIS, over the spectrum of time, many prophesies will show itself again and gain amongst multiple people and story lines. Did it occur, is it happening or will it happen in the future???? That is the question.
Neat. I like stuff like this.. little details that are miles off the beaten path
At 4:32, background music starts to play. Does it have a name, and where can it be found? I notice it in a lot of your videos. Thanks.
That was so awesome
After watching the prequels Mace is my favorite Jedi.
Ancient Sith be like: In the future, there is going to be an asshole and arrogant Jedi who will end up screwing the Jedi order over and the Sith will finally rule.
Lol pretty much
I Wonder If Mace Windu Returned He Would Be Tempted By The Dark Side And Became A Sith Because Staying A Jedi Would Become To Restrictive
Maybe a rogue jedi neither sith or Jedi one that opposes all
@@WZspacecowboy7 The Dark Jedi on Ashoka will open up a whole knew realm of force sensitives.
Part of Windu's core is/was his ability to walk the tightrope without ever falling.
I wanna b just like Mace Windu when I grow 🆙😫😅🤣
"Intertwowned" lmfao😂😂😂
Makes sense good stuff
If the clones can be considered a shell of their donor, then wouldn't Boba fit more accurately into the prophesy?
Mace Windu movie now!
WTF?!.. This just makes the Disney trilogy even worse.... Something I keep thinking isn't possible. It's such shallow shit writing looking for a paycheck.
They literally made the prequels GOOD!.. That takes purposeful effort ignore so much.
Great video. Please keep them coming.
Mace Windu lives!
Damn I thought windu had a purple light saber just because he said he wanted it or he wouldn’t have taken the role
Also true
The prophecy said to this day he continues to fall out of the Windu
Absolutely love darth treya
I just wanted to come here to say that Sara Keslteman's preformance made that scene so iconic. She was the PERFECT actor for that role
That performance would be hard to replicate, but for some reason I think Kate Mulgrew would be an excellent recasting of Kreia if they ever brought the character back in live action.
Lmao Anakin the jedi more Influential than Mace ahahahahahaahahaha
She was talking about Jolie Bendu , and Jango fett was never named Mangalore and was just a lone wolf...he removes his armor entirely...
How tf was jango supposed to be the leader of a planet when he’s out doing bounty hunter shit?
Is the the blind old lady from KOTOR 2? I remember it's either the first or second game you get a creepy old lady who is neither light nor dark and she resembles this character alot
Your awesome just the way you present the information it's it's pretty cool.. I think you're better than Star wars theory
How did anakin bring balance to the force he literally destroyed the Jedi literally crippling them and I thought sidious didn’t die ? DID HE NOT COME BACK in rise of skywalker or last Jedi ? So he didn’t destroy the sith there very much still here yet the Jedi are barely HOW IS THAT BALNCE CAN SUM1 explain to me ?
did he come back in what?
I never knew that but yeah, Windu killed Jango somewhat easily.
I feel like this should fit the owner of the dark saber instead. Would add a lot more to the story
Interesting theory.
you could also put this to revan, he had a purple saber also, and revan did far more to fracture the mandolorians compared to mace..
what about the story that Samuel Jackson said that, before the battle on Geononsis, "how wil i stand out in a battle that big? Give me a purple light saber and I'll do it." Is the story around his purple light saber just cover up?
Dude? You need to play KOTOR 1 and 2. You’ll be hooked. Cheers 🍺🍺😎🎸
Revan had a purple blade, hung out with Kreia and ended the Mandalorian culture as they knew it. Treia was talking about Revan.
Any theories you could do on the Jedi outcast games
Kreia was wrong, though.
Jango died, but Mandalore survived him, with his successors, Spar, Fenn Shysa, and Boba becoming Mandalore after him.
Oh snap
Mace-Windu!? Place-Window!!!
Safe.
Shattered Window lol
Hello there
I like to believe Mace windu is still alive in cryo sleep in some world that Dooku erased on the star charts after his battle with Sidious thats one reason Yoda never batted an eye after he heard he lost a duo to Sidous.