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I find your observations and analysis to be really insightful. It's fascinating how the opposing opinions about the show mirror the current political discourse in the US. I wonder if they are not expressing their own ideas, but rather ideas that have influenced and shaped their perceptions. Thank you.🙏
"Narrative vampires at Disney" is a turn of phrase that deserves to go viral.
Most television is worse than Andor. A-lot of things can be good and not be as good as Andor.
Andor is the worst Star Wars, along with Rogue One. But OK.
@@muhtasimshahriyar8351Rogue one is epic
@@muhtasimshahriyar8351 You are objectively wrong. Andor and rogue one are the best parts of star wars aside from ESB
The stats are in: According to The Wrap and data from Parrot Analytics, female audiences prefer shows like Loki and The Mandalorian over projects specifically targeted at female audiences like Ahsoka. Women's preferences are not always what the studio executives try to target. Take it how you will.
It’s almost like they enjoy watching a strong, charismatic lead male and, oh I don’t know, get infatuated with that character 🤔
@@ddff2815 It has to work when it's the other way around too. No matter what lead character you choose to go with, audiences should be made to either aspire to be that character, like to be around that character, sympathize with that character or any combination of the 3.
@@ddff2815 are you insinuating that some women find some men attractive simply because they're charismatic, tall, strong and a male! That sounds like crazy talk!
So.... Disney paid 4 billion dollars for a franchise famous with audiences the world over, just to make shows aimed exclusively for 12 year old kids. That's the worst financial decision in the history of Hollywood. You seem smart enough to figure that out. Unless.... this is just an engagement video... you got me!.. I engaged!
"THe PowER of ONe"
"thE POweR Of TwO"
"tHe pOwEr oF MAaAaAnNNnyYYy"
“The only thing I’m worried about is it’s so successful and so mindless fun, that I hope Hollywood doesn’t forget that there are people who like to see serious pictures too.”
Siskel & Ebert’s review of Star Wars, 1977
Maybe you’re just not “relevant” (demographically) anymore. It happens to all of us.
I was 7 when Star Wars was released. I was 13 when the trilogy wrapped up. When the next trilogy came out, I was 27 and had no interest in such childish stories.
I’m now 54 and I’m still ok with Star Wars not being for me, I have no interest and life goes on.
@@colonialstraits1069 true but here’s a novel thought: you are not the centre of the universe.
Star Wars was a show for kids and adults as it was wholesome and universal, and now you (and I mean “you” generally and specifically) turned it into a show for teenage girls who are also woke activists and then got PISSED when the original fanbase (who actually financially supported it) lashed out, and no one viewed it.
“Actually it’s a great financial decision, because they’re woke, and therefore criticising them makes you a bad person.”
- “Modern Audiences”, supposedly.
The last time I checked it wasn’t April the first
If star wars the original movies came out now you people will call it woke.
@@scotty2317 that makes no sense, also I never called it woke it just has terrible writing
I don't care whether the main character is male, female, gay, lesbian or whatever. I just want a decently told story within the Star Wars universe, that doesn't contradict the previous material, that fits the style and design language of its predecessors and is not only made for twelve year olds
So far nothing has contradicted previous material.
@@Boonton2010 I would say that a lot of the Disney stuff did some pretty heavy changes to characters like obi wan and Luke Skywalker and the ways the force works. I understand that maybe some people don’t care about stuff like that and even think terms like canon are not appropriate for fictional works, but a lot of people really care about this kind of stuff and enjoy it.
@@jalocin Are we blaming The Acolyte for the sins of three movies and five other TV shows?
@@jalocin Not to get into a deep discussion about an imaginary concept in a fiction, but certainly for me as a middle-aged man, some of the vitriol thrown by other fans at recent Star Wars films and shows has been almost incomprehensible. It has claimed to come from a concern for authenticity, and yet the focus has been not upon weaknesses in plot and storytelling of which there have been many) but quickly upon the real-life people portraying the imaginary characters that they didn't like, and ascribing imagined agendas to those individuals as human beings - for which these critics have felt entitled to personally attack them. I just don't get that.
This leads me to speak to just one 'in-universe' concept that you mention: that of 'the way the Force works.' I've seen millennial-aged fans in a fury because of the idea that a kid suddenly levitated a broom, or a young woman with little prior training has expressed an affinity for the Force which Luke never did. They have railed at the portrayal of Luke in The Last Jedi in particular, at his loss of connection, and his temporary submission to his inner fears and doubts. As a middle-aged man, i simply thought, "You understand me!" This is what it means to be human and to live, no matter whether you have access to arcane forces or not. We experience adversity, and we have to rely upon our inner resources and our connection to the people around us to see ourselves through. And that is what the Force was originally portrayed to be: a form of Zen conversation with the inner self, and decisions, at every moment, as to how we wish to show that inner self to the world - a conversation in which learning to fail time and again is the true key to understanding. Sadly, I worry that - for a millennial or younger fan, who has imbibed decades of turgid novels and backstories, edgy but badly misconceived adoration of the 'Sith' perspective, plus portrayals of the force through video game mechanics which tend to make choices between the Light and the Dark side simply a matter of taste - if that simple concept has been lost: and that, when they saw it in pure form when Luke and Yoda talk in The Last Jedi, they did not recognise it. My young padawans, that's why Yoda burnt the books. ;-)
The prequels do all of this. They contradict the OT, have very different look and have much more “childish” elements than the OT.
Andor was a good show because it was a good show that respected its viewers. You might have missed how successful the animated series is to the franchise.
And Tesla is not a car company.
I remember trying to rewatch the TV shows I liked when I was 12. They were all unwatchable to me as a 30 or 40 year old. This is the point you are trying to get across.
When i was 12 and 13 i watched ghostbusters and back to the future, highly watchable and enjoyable for all ages. H
Star wars original trilogy between the ages of 5 and 11 again great for all ages. They weren't made for one very specific age group. It comes down to quality.
I know right? lol You gotta have shit taste to be able to say this honestly. Lol
I watched Studio Ghibli's Castle in the Sky, and Valley of the Wind when I was in kindergarten
Rewatched it numerous times, still great as ever
Appreciated the nuances even more as an adult
I like how you correctly call out grown men for watching children's media then try to sell them a ring.
The whole video has this "grow up kid" vibe I really don't like. There are so many ways you can give your opinion without strawmanning the audience ....
I’m not a Star Wars fan, but it’s for families, which means kids and adults alike. Or at least it was; now it’s for kids, and enjoyed by nobody.
I dont understand the point of this comment; what's the ring got to do with anything?
this whole video is a boomer trying to be a zoomer from RLMs shill podcast skits dsfasdfas
Just cry to your wife’s boyfriend, your side created garbage and no one wants it.
🤦♂️
Oh dear
I think you also missed a critical point.. was the original Star Wars trilogy written for 12 year olds or did they get this passion for the good story and great characters?
The original was written for 8 year olds.
@@DamienWalter I think you are confusing intent with outcome.
Nice take. I hope making Star Wars for 12 year olds works out for Disney.
Yeah, it's not like it could possibly be enjoyed by that weird thing called a family. I mean who needs a family when you have:
"THe PowER of ONe"
"thE POweR Of TwO"
"tHe pOwEr oF MAaAaAnNNnyYYy"
My girls didn't like it. But they like other star wars shows. It's pretty bad and poorly made.
That's an insult to 12 year olds. this is made for people who have no clue what Star Wars truly is about.
@@cowetascore8476 who was star wars made for in 1977? Hmm?
Wasn't it always for kids? Adults watch Star Trek with its serious themes.
The only serious theme in Star Wars was when Andor in Andor got to learn what it was like to live under a fascist regime.
Yeah, Star Wars is for children and you are all p*ssbabies.
For every "angry middle aged man" who gets cranky b/c these shows aren't made for them there are a dozen middle aged men who can't admit Star Wars isn't worth a 12 year old's time either.
This guy has a doghouse.
Great analysis! One thing you commented on that struck me is how Andor aged up the story rather than retreading the Hero's Journey. I think that is one of the reasons that it worked. So many of the follow-ups just try doing the Hero's journey again when that is just one of many archetypes one can use. There's also the Maiden, the Queen, the King, the Crone, the Mage... KM Weiland explores this in the book "Writing Archetypal Character Arcs : The Hero's Journey and Beyond."
On a side note, while Joseph Campbell did of course draw upon Jung, I think he more directly repurposed the work of Mircea Eliade to appeal to popular audiences.
Really enjoying your channel! ✌🏽
So why not make Star Wars for Star Wars fans and we'll bring our children with us. My son loves episode 45 & 6. Loves Darth Vader. Im 48 and he's 2! (He also loves to lightsaber dual with me)
this is what my dad did for me.. took me to watch episode 1,2 and 3.. and i LOVED IT.. we decided episode 3 is the best of star wars.. my dad is gone now.. and i watched episode 1,2 and 3 with my nephew and he loves it.. im 34 and he is 4.. this is star wars.. just make star wars for the star wars fans..
I'm a man, and I also was told and taught over and over to be 'good'.
... Weren't you?
But "good" often had very different connotations for us than it did for girls. That's the real point. And that should be obvious if you're being thoughtful instead of literal-minded and reactionary.
@@DavidCDrake The connotation of "good" do not differ depending on the sex of the recipient, but on the belief of the lecturer.
Maybe you are too close-minded yourself to have realized that so far?
Edit: This comment might be too cutting.
The main thing I'd like to say is that I'd prefer for people to generally spend less time trying to fit groups into exclusionary boxes, and more on highlighting the difficulties we might all share as similar social animals, like all the best stories do.
I was told to win above all else. Good was irrelevant, a by-product of the pursuit of winning but not the goal itself. My dad was a little more honest about how the world works than most.
@@abadyr_ I think you're simply not keen on feminist critiques of how differently boys and girls are socialized in patriarchal Christian households, which is what the creator of the video was alluding to.
The person you're responding to was not even asserting that the connotation of "good" differed on sex. They were simply pointing out that culturally (and *generally*) our ideas of what "good" behavior even is differs according to gender.
Talk to any conservative Christian parent you might know and ask them about how they raised their son and daughter. The differences and sexist hypocrisy might shock you.
@@abadyr_ your a broken and emasculated lol stfu
Just had to check the calendar to see if it's April Fool's Day,,,😀
Is that when the Disney cheque hits the mat?
Since when did a ~$180m Star Wars show get to be excusable if it's meant for 12 year old (girls?). Especially when most of Disney Star Wars has been relentless mediocre.
do you think he put this out before episode 3? He's thirsting for that GentleBand revenue...
Simple, that happened when Disney decided to kill it.
Remember when Star Wars just wanted to tell good stories for everybody?
I 'member.
Excluding demographics is not going to go well for media.
"Don't watch, we hate you."
"OK, bye"
It's not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure or keep checking back to see if anyone cared.
@@AchronTimeless Yeah. Here' the thing. Airlines are a business. Business want money. Customers have money. Unless Disney is running a charity their plan for excluding large groups of people based on sex or gender is not a good long term plan.
@@dvdragon Why are you still talking about it, I thought you were done and gone? Go then.
I remember hat adults were absolutely not interested in Star Wars when it came out. It was not a story for them. If they cared for stories at all, they were appaled or speechless.
@@AchronTimeless Chris Chan is that you?
Disney handed this guy a check and he surrendered all credibility to make this
not sure if trolling or ... 🤔🤨
One of the things about Star Wars is that I never thought ut was that deep. I enjoyed it as a kid, and as I grew up it seemed like it was just Flash Gordon for a new generation. And that's always been the odd thing about science fiction to me,is that a whole generation or more is hung up on Star Wars as this thing that dominated science fiction conversations. My parents got me to read and watch other things so that I wasn't just stuck here. It's always seemed people need a broadening of science fiction content. Not sure how to do that, but that's just me.
As CS Lewis said "A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest."
People don't like the acolyte because it's bad. "The Jedi are bad" "The Jedi are Good!" -_-
Stop coping.
I think he has a point. The show is more coherent than Ashoka, Mando S3 or Fett.
Yes, Star Wars does have a chronic problem keeping time and space apart. This was a problem even in the prequel Revenge of the Sith when it felt like going from A to B took an instant except when the plot demanded it didn't.
@@Boonton2010 did you just use coherent in the same sentence as The Acoshite? Was that before the live editing of Wookiepedia as one dude was walking around 100+ years before they/he/shim/she/do/be/do were born...Unless time travel is now a thing in SW? Maybe Doctor Who is in the same universe?
@@The_Reality_Filter that’s all legends not canon
@@Boonton2010so prequel is legends and not canon. *cough*copium*cough
@@ZmbieTaco The movies are canon, that's it.
We can agree on this being neither scifi, neither for adults, neither for males. Is it any good for girls then ? It seemed to me you started answering that question, giving a lot of credit to its vaguely interesting, though as you pointed not original, initial idea. Then left the subject until 14', but gave no answer. What does this show has to offer to a teen girl ? In my early teens, as a perfectly ordinary child with a love for good stories, I was reading Verne's Voyages extraordinaires, Boulle's Malevil, Barjavel's Ravages, Bradbury's Martian chronicles, Asimov's Fondation, all recommended by a teacher. I might not have understood it all, but I enjoyed it and it stayed with me. If all of Disney is content, and not art, how can this show be any good ? Kids are not mindless animals to be entertained, and they need food of the body and the mind in large quantity - not McDonalds and Acolytes, even though parents want to save on cooking.
For a moment, I was wondering what was going on, since you had decently interesting things to say on Asimov, amongst others. Luckily, since I watched several videos of yours, I did pick up on your strange dislike of the 'vocal critics', and it dawned on me that this is probably your attempt to join the melee of the American culture wars. I came here to have a thought provoking take, though I'm sure we can agree that Star wars offers very little as Sci fi, and was in place greeted by criticisms of opinions that belong to a totally different sphere of thought. You being so ad hominem made me unconfortable (what would Azimov say ?). I really wish you'd remake this video focusing on the show, and just leave the Critical Drinkers, Nerdrotic, and all the others to themselves.
Well said!
"....since you had decently interesting things to say....." I have the same experience with this channel/Damien. I remember being irritated on this channel for some unknown reason then I watched several videos which where very good. Now I remember... As soon as Damien starts inserting identity politics and or "culture war" items it all drags down the whole video even if other parts where nice takes.
But apparently they can not help themselves, as the show is riddled with contrivances and plot holes making it a task to defend with any credibility. I have no interest in this POSTER or their views yet the Tube of Yew has decided that this should be in my purview. Why was I guided here?? Most likely, I'm subbed to the Drinker and Nerdrotic while the poster CRAVES their sub numbers, so the Algorithm provides.
Why am I subbed to the OPPOSITION, because several years ago they were providing reasonable thought out criticisms and commentary. They celebrated cinematic achievement and decried pedantic failures. They were entertaining while praising the triumphs and ridiculing the inept.
This isn't very entertaining at all, neither the show nor this content, just some rehashed community college psych 101 Jungian justification from a poster who "Kant" while I prefer Nietzsche and Freud.
Unexpressed emotions will never die. They are buried alive and will come forth later in uglier ways.
We are never so defenseless against suffering as when we love.
From error to error, one discovers the entire truth.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes the poster is just a DICK.
Oh, and don't read too much into the four capitalized words, just serendipitous.
Shut up your bigot and buy some GentleBands...
Like it or not, the Critical Drinkers and Nerdotics of the world have made themselves a part of the story. They riled up their fans (angry, middle-age men) against this show long before the first trailer ever appeared.
Sadly, they have enough influence to affect the online discourse (8 of the top 10 UA-cam videos are by angry middle-aged men crying about the show) and lead a review-bombing campaign against it (do we really need a daily video each time the RT audience score hits a new, artificial low?).
I was pleasantly surprised to see Damien cut through the BS and call them out on it.
Really? The Acolyte is a CW show with CW dialogue. There’s no deep dive into this show built on shallow waters. Andor is a better written show.
I disagree, the CW would have cringed at the witch indoctrination scene even lol
"THe PowER of ONe"
"thE POweR Of TwO"
"tHe pOwEr oF MAaAaAnNNnyYYy"
All men are angry. Me, included. I am white, but my anger is latent and intrinsic to my gender. I'm not angry about The Acolyte. I just think it sucks. To be fair, I also liked Ashoka more than Kenobi. You REALLY need to watch the Clone Wars cartoons to understand a lot of the last 3 or 4 projects.
Star Wars is dead.
How are people who openly hate a franchise's source material put in charge of writing for that franchise? This is what killed Witcher, the Silmarillion, Marvel, and now it's killed Star Wars, just to name a few. As an author, I find this as a very big problem. Stealing someone's life's work and twisting it to fit your own agenda and make you money is a horrible thing to do. Not respecting source material shows a lack of integrity, and it's crazy that its become socially acceptable.
Star Wars is dead, and if you like it and are defending it at this point, then you are clearly nothing more than a mindless consumer sheep, and this problem keeps happening because of YOU.
Let's stop this culture war and get back to respecting source material, and valuing good escapism and immersive storytelling.
So fan hate Killed the Witcher huh ?
@@chillhour6155 I have no idea how you read my comment and made this off base reply 😂
Who are you talking about? Some unhinged people claim that Tony Gilroy hates Star Wars, but in reality he just said that he is not “a FAN fan” of SW; he also called Andor his most important work.
@@kamillavalter Do some research. Just like the writers of the Witcher adaptation to the screen, there's recorded receipts of them speaking about how they don't like the source material. As an author, this is extremely insane to me and shows such a lack of integrity.
@@Luz4SiKio do you mean the creators of The Acolyte? All I saw is that they have one person in the writers room who is not familiar with SW. The show runner seems to be really into SW, the EU stuff and all.
Could you give me some more details so I can google it? Like, who said what about hating Star Wars?
It’s a great show with not so great pacing and execution in the third episode. I am excited for what’s to come!
So, even if you accept it is not written for adults or males (?) - why undermine cannon? It's falling apart and with each iteration its demise accelerates and fewer and fewer people are included (ironically).
It's a story with fighters based on bow ties and starships shaped like pizza slices. There is no Star Wars canon. It's all made up.
Given that one of the first things this show tells you is to not trust what you see, exactly how has anything here broken canon?
@@DamienWalterThat's not even a good cope, bro. Would it be okay to have Mitsubishi cars in Lord of the Rings?
@@BayaRae Lord of the Rings is a novel written by JRR Tolkien. Star Wars was created to be a mass media franchise.
@@DamienWalter ah ok so if they want Tik Tok, iPhones and skinny lattes in Star Wars they can because "It's all made up" anyway right? 🧐
Hmm, that's weird, because those "outraged middle aged men" you're talking about were much more positive about Rogue One and Mando S1 & 2 - that was also made for 12 year olds, and we're only talking about a couple of years ago, while they also weren't that positive about TROS and TLJ - also made for 12 year olds. It's almost as if your argument is tenuous at best. The critics score for Acolyte is 6.4/10, while it's 8.3 & 9.0/10 for Mando S1 & S2, and 7.5/10 for Rogue One. That would kind of imply that the Acolyte, by consensus, is inferior to those shows, just as BoBF and Obi-Wan and Ahsoka were (by critics consensus). How do you arrive at the conclusion of blaming fans and youtube and not a response to ever worsening quality content?
Rogue one was not made for kids, and although Mando was, it does also have a specific appeal to parents that makes it good family oriented media. It's also true that Mando incorporated the clone wars narrative within it which also effectively drew in teens and young adults. Boba Fett was where they really got lost in the sauce of not knowing which crowd to appeal to.
@@He.knows.nothing Rogue One was PG-13/12A, just like ROTS. Mando S1 and S2 have broad appeal, yeah. And there was no backlash, which invalidates the claim made in the video that the problem is the audience of "outraged middle aged men". Boba Fett & Obi-Wan were made to pander after the gushing about a nostalgia bait Vader scene in Rogue One. Lucasfilm have failed to translate Boba, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka to D+ shows without dividing opinion. Critics by consensus (even including the access media incentivised to be nice) don't give those shows the same praise as Mando S1 & S2. That's not the fans' fault, sorry, no matter how you try to make excuses. Yes, there was more expectation on these characters, but these shows were poor.
Thought the first two episodes were okay even if not for me. The third one though, yikes. Still, not for me so really, I don’t care. I’ll take my Andor. Your Vlad analogy is spot on.
Im a 35 year old man...i watched wednesday with my wife. A show for teenage girls.
Somehow i found the show entertaining, it was written well.
Im a star wars fan. Big fan. I read countless books as a child. Played so many games and i drew many drawings.
I warched the force awakens when it came out and i felt something in my gut that it was off. Even though my friends said give it a chance it was fun. But i found it so safe at the time and i couldnt stand it.
I watched one episode of obi wan and i felt like i was kicked in the guts...didnt go back to it.
Same goes for acolyte.
Barely anything new in star wars has made me feel that sense of wonderment and magic of being absorbed in a another world.
It doesn't matter who the target audience is...the goal of fantasy is to transport you.
Its failed.... Wednesday while not for me...i as a man can recoginise something went in to that to transport teenage girls away and written well enough for me to enjoy that.
The acolyte is not that. It is the ruminations and product of Resentment devoid of magic.
Written well, my arse.
Okay. I don't know if this is some paid shill stuff but I'll give the show a torrent and see for myself. I hate the nerdrotic/critical Drinker guys as much as the next guy so I'll give it a shot tonight. But I swear to god Damian....
Don't do that to yourself.
Enjoy the power of many fingers in your pie...
Yeah. On second thought i don't think i can justify the time watching it. Ill torrent House of the Dragon instead even though i cant remember any of the names or plot from last season. Or I might just have an early night and catch up on sleep. @daes9401
Didn't you listen to him? It's a good show for 12 year old girls, Noel. What do you expect?
He 100% is a paid shill
Kenobi was made for everyone. New shallow characters and old discredited ones. Disney might know how to sell toys but doesn't understand Star Wars.
If the script is good then it would transcend generations. The acting is subpar in this show and plot is absolutely boring to watch. Harry Potter was also written for "children" This show is mediocre at best and is on par with nickelodeon Drake and Josh at best. It is not the pop culture iconic franchise that transcended generations.
I agree, adult men should not be watching this, the show is made for children. It’s especially targeted for female children that are LGTBQ friendly. Adult men are just setting themselves up for disappointment with show
"It’s especially targeted for female children that are LGTBQ friendly"
Can you show me a source where Disney is actually stating this ?
@@MrCroky123 ha, they don’t come out with a statement about that. I watched the first 3 episodes, that was my take on it. It’s looks more for kids than something like Andor or Mandorian. It’s a very female show, most of the cast is female. And it’s very gay. The director, main character, the other Jedi guy, the Jedi boss lady are all gay, and the whole group of witches is gay.
I think I must have tuned in to a different series. I appreciate the attempt to gaslight people into believing this is a 'success', and the pseudo-intellectual gloss of Jungian Theory you are layering on to polish this turd, but you are in danger of becoming the ideological equal and opposite reaction to Critical Drinker: different side of the political spectrum but just as reactionary and prone to taking an ideological position rather than one based on the relative merits of any given piece of media. I think the old AA prayer: 'let me take the world as it is, not as I would have it' should be applied here. Feel free to dismiss me as racist and bigoted and dillute the meaning and power of these slurs until they lose all Force (or Thread).
Nah its garbage. Very simple. Overthinking it leads to problems.
@@mavisbeacon6770 OP isn't recommending overthinking it, just thinking about it without preconception.
The "Pseudo-intellectual gloss of Jungian Theory" is the distilled essence of Star Wars my dude.
@@duvetboa Maybe, but it doesn't 'need' that gloss to make sense, or be an enjoyable story.
The acolyte’s cinematography, acting, and storyline was terrible to say the least. Anyone who says this poor performance of a once successful franchise was “good”is more likely a shill.
What's bad about the cinematography? Genuinely interested.
How is this guy a shill? Make an actual argument instead of name calling. You act like he went against your cult or something, Jesus.
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"THe PowER of ONe"
"thE POweR Of TwO"
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@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 to me, a lot of it looks very "sound stagey". It's the opposite of immersive, I'm suddenly very aware that I'm looking at actors wearing costumes on a set. That's not strictly a cinemtography failing, though. It's also not like that for every scene.
More specifics please. I'd like to know in particular how the dialogue here is better or worse than that of the prequel trilogy..
All I can say is Leslye Headland must have seriously weighty blackmail material to be given £200,000,000 to play with. Imagine being a lesbian feminist and being Harvey Weinstein's PA at the same time. Of course she had no idea what was happening at the time, of course she didn't....
People bring up the Harvey Weinstien stuff and her being an assistant but that's neither here nor there. I wouldn't avoid a good show because of that and neither would you. But it's not a good show. ( by all accounts) but bringing up Weinstien is pointless. If it was an awesome show no one would care.
She probably sucked Harv off to get the job. Most lesbians I know will go "situationally straight" if you know what I mean...
@@noelmagann1 you think it's neither here nor there that the lesbian feminist personal assistant to one of Hollywood's most notorious sexual predators is now working for Disney. Never go full Epstein son!
@@noelmagann1 surely you can't be that deluded? I guess we shouldn't blame friends of Jeffy boy either right? Just because they visited his peedo island didn't mean they were peedos does it...
@The_Reality_Filter If the star wars product was good, fans would gladly overlook the possible aiding and abetting of sex crimes of anyone involved. But because StarWars product no.1288467 is terrible. We call out past assistants of sex criminals and claim she was actively involved in sex trafficking themselves. Maybe they were , maybe they weren't. But if Acolte was good, no one would bring it up.
I guess the issue with some 'angry' men is that shows and TV seem to almost always have a female lead character behaving like a man both in terms of risk-taking and physical prowess. It's the fantasy as reality part that's annoying. That said, I really like the potential of a film portraying a reality based female character that doesn't have to always be good. But that already exists too. It's the distinction between being good and being naive, gullible and inexperienced where the problem begins.
You put infinitely more thought into this than the writers did
If you have ever written anything you'll know that's not true.
I respect your opinion and I like most of your videos, but I still can't stand the writing of this show. I think it is terrible.
Isn't that the point of this video? It's probably not written for you or with your tastes in mind. It's probably more for the kids who will buy stuff. People always rag on about Ewoks, but I loved them as a kid. Time and perspective changes everything. If you don't like the show, don't watch it.
@@Afrenasia Oh it's a kids show now, so it's on during kids TV time slot?
@@Afrenasia sure kids will like it. But only because they can’t tell the difference between good and bad writing. Star Wars has been around for a while now. Not only kids are fans of the franchise
@@The_Reality_Filterit streams on Disney+, so yeah it’s on during whatever time slot you’d like
Did the two commenters above me actually watch the video? His whole thesis was that yes, this is a kids show. And even more, for early pubescent girls. And the point made that “Star Wars has been around now and not only kids are fans of the franchise” WAS EXACTLY WHAT HIS WHOLE VIDEO WAS ABOUT 🤦🏻♂️
Not sure if the show has the clear writing chops to pull off what you are suggesting but I am willing to continue to give it a shot. Spoken as a member of the middle aged man crew, but your conclusion about art v. content, that is spot on
Who at Disney had this video made?😂😂
Acolyte has more user reviews than the last 5 star wars shows combined.
I can see a review bomb when I smell one! 😂
@@ANTIStraussian just excuses for a poorly made show. Not only from “white people” but the black community, the lgbt community, the 90% of the actual Star Wars community and even the delusional people using made up pronouns also agrees the show sucks.
Well honestly, apart from some DEI stuff I think you and critical drinker are in agreement that the quality of show is for 12 yrs olds not adults.
The show is bad. I understand they are trying to modernize it. I understand that they are looking at things from a different point of view (which is actually a big part of Star Wars) I under stand that as a story set in a larger universe, we could completely chose to ignore this story.
I don't like it. The majority of fans don't like it. Those of us in our mid to late 40's who helped make Star Wars as popular as it is DON'T LIKE IT.
Everything doesn't need to be gay.
Every box of inclusion doesn't need to be checked. Tell the damn story and tell it in a way that makes sense. Don't try to re write what has existed for decades. Stick to the basics.
I get your position but why personally attack someone who disagrees.
Good art can be enjoyed by all, you even failed at defending it as just a product
Trying to defend the slop they gave us is sad
You don't want slop, don't eat at McDonalds. Move on, grow up, engage with some books and theatre instead of cramming childish shit into your head once you're a grown man.
@@DamienWalter ya you should never enjoy things only children enjoy things what a loser
@@DamienWalterwhat a disgusting comment to make
@@DamienWalter so the show is 'slop', but good 'slop'?
somewhat coincidentally, Alex Guiness (who also has a British accent), once told a young fanboy who had watched the original 1977 Star Wars film 100s of times to stop and go out live in the real world - making the fan cry. There is a time to leave childish things behind, painful as it may be.
I’m 47 (saw empire & rotj in theatres) and don’t get the hate .. but then I remember fans have been like this for every Star Wars release since Phantom Menace & there’s alot of mega rich people (Elon musk,ect) pandering to angry people and spreading anti-woke onto everyone’s screens w/their money. I really like the analogy of Disney being woke to Dracula being woke. corporations can’t be woke, Bud light can’t be woke.. they don’t look at people as being human, just as #’s. I don’t think Disney has much creative input anyway, it’s LucasFilm on Disney’s budget. It’s kind of like calling George Lucas woke. Most of the people working there worked under him, and understand his vision more than anyone
I’m a middle aged woman, love and grew up with original trilogy.
I really enjoyed Andor for its writing and cast.
Ahsoka gave us both strong women and the middle aged men audience.
And the 12 year old me is enjoying Acolyte.
Who says we can’t have it all. ✨😌🤷🏻♀️
As a 72 year old, from your point of view, I would actually like to see the " Acolyte ", because I can relate to the subject matter! I do not get along with a lot of men in their forties because of their juvenile cognition issues and their fear of education. 🤨 👾👾👾
cool story bro, you were a teenage girl the last time I saw you posting...
@@The_Reality_Filter youtube order 66: release the bots
@@nashtrucker Damn, I hadn't even thought of that but yeah of course...RELEASE THE BOTS
@The_Reality_Filter I am a man and you monkey.
Its so funny how the critics have nothing to say to protect the show, so they just have to make up stuff as they go along, "angry middle age men" "show made for kids" the funniest part is that the show isn't even half way done, Disney is doomed, they just lost all of their remaining fans and only these bald mindless feminists remain...
Im pretty sure the ring on his right index finger signals others that he is a shirt lifting puff....as well as a bald feminist who ball washes harvey winesteins personal assistant
people who say this is the end of star wars, we’re supporting star wars when the previous generation said it died, people have no self awareness
What a shill
Cry
Damo,
One of the things I've seen coming up a lot in the negative reaction from fans that you didn't mention is this: Much or most of the pre-show communication from Disney about the story was that it was going to be "Sitch-centric" and feature the "bad guys" as the leading characters.
At least to this point, this has not been the case, and a lot of fans are pretty bent out of shape about that. They feel like they were sold one thing but got when Amazon dropped it off, it wasn't that thing at all.
The reason this hasn't bothered me personally, it because I never believed it. I could write a bunch about how Star Wars could dig into the philosophy and ethics of the Sith cult and how intelligent SW would have to reexamine and rework that stuff to actually create interesting complex characters that were beyond the typical cardboard cut-out villians that SW features more than 90% of the time. Y'know, throw in some Nietzche and Max Stirner; Ayn Rand, maybe a bit of Bismark, definitely Machiavelli, and then, for frosting on that cake, Anton LaVey. Oh, and to be topical, throw in some Curtis Yarvin and the NeoReactionary Dark Enlightenment movement. Or, y'know, just imagine the Sith as whatever Byron, Coleridge, or Goethe would have written if they were obsessed with villains rather than heroes. Or maybe all the bad guys become something like Maul was for the duration of the Clone Wars and Rebels shows. But in those shows, dude wasn't the protagonist.
But doing this would completely change SW into something most definitely NOT for the kids that Old Man Lucas was concerned with, and that Disney is concerned with.
Remember how Rodriguez talked about Book of Bobba Fett like it was going to be a serious Mafia story with the main characters all being bad guys? We saw what a shit-show that was...I liked it anyway, but it's because I've been an SW fan since 1977. A mafia don type SW story (a good one, at least) just isn't possible unless and until SW completely stops being for kids and probably gets completely rebooted.
AND, if the Acolyte did this and the bad guy characters in Acolyte were really compelling, then damn near all the other bad guys from all the other stories look like completely boring morons and fake, shallow, and insufficient vehicles for whatever story they're in. A successful Sith-centric Acolyte story WOULD produce a large section of the fandom who legitimately were entranced by the Sith and wanted to actually be the bad guys in real life. People would be freaking the F out right now about how the Acolyte's bad guy heroes were a dire threat to the "purity" and "innocence" of children and another example of how the leftist media establishment was trying to destroy Western Civ.....
....But if they made the Sith-centric heroes of the story NOT this stuff and got them to more-or-less conform to the mustache-twiddling Ming of Mongo kinda stuff that Lucas started the franchise with, they destroy SW as it's always been known. When protagonists in the story are seen as shallow, or poorly fleshed out, incompetent and/or blundering, the fans react the way they did to Jar Jar, General Hux, or Kazuda Xiono, who's ridiculousness was probably the chief contributing factor to the death of the Resistance show. There is no way in hell a giant, big market-cap risk-averse corp like Disney is going to do that with one of THE primary assets in their portfolio.
Anyway, to sum up, part of the problem with the fan reception to Acolyte is really bad marketing and communication from Disney (which they've already done before) which has infuriated fans because they feel jerked around. I'm personally having a decent time with the show a think it's in the "middle of the pack" for SW stories, but, y'know, as I said, I even liked Book of Bobba Fett which was pretty much trash.
The :Jungian Shadow' ain't a big deal for teenage girls either.... Critical Drinker may be right regardless.
Jung's mother literally thought she had supernatural powers and Jung was obsessed with incest...move along nothing to see here
Have to agree with the C. S. Lewis quote offered by someone else.
Really "Good" children stories are to be enjoyed not just by children.
Star Wars is product. That's the point. You're expecting a steak from a McDonalds.
@@DamienWalter Star Wars shouldn't be McDonalds. It was NEVER McDonalds. Are you 12?
@@cowetascore8476 I'm sorry you've over-invested in the McDonalds of culture. That must be a shock to realise.
Is this a trend where everyone from the Anglosphere is so out of touch with the world outside of it? I'm a woman, from the east, former Star Wars fan, not anymore. Nothing to do with your sex, it has to do that the shows were supposed to be for everyone, but now they are made only for the Anglosphere with the political and societal messages that don't apply to any other place on this planet. It's just not for me, and it's not for the majority of the planet, that's why recent projects from Hollywood are scraping to make money and they usually don't. People are fed up with lectures from the Anglosphere... I don't care if you all eat each other up among yourselves, but that's not my form of entertainment, never was.
I haven't watched The Acolyte yet, and i doubt that i will enjoy it all, but one thing I can tell is that I don't think xenophobia is something that you can learn from being a fan of Star Wars. It's a nonsensical argument to suggest that societies cannot enjoy or relate to stories concerning other cultures. I watch Japanese and Korean dramas regularly, in which characters follow moral and cultural norms far removed from my own which would never work here, and yet I can follow them and be interested in them, even when I disagree with the choices they might make. It would be madness to try to ban them from the 'Anglosphere' just for that! when it comes to Star Wars, it's an even dafter idea: they are pulp remakes of Kurosawa films in space! Are they representing American or Japanese values? Or neither?
Agreed: "They (Disney) make content, not art. ". (sigh) They used to make art, good and sometimes excellent art. But that was once upon a time, in a social climate far, far away...
I do not feel that those who complain want something made for them as they are now. When they made a Star Wars show that was actually for adults, Andor, they actually mostly complained about that as well(and I hate them for it). What they want is something that is made for 12 year old boys the way 12 year old boys was when they themselves were 12 years old. That is why many in their fifties love Mandalorian for the first two seasons. It really, at least to me, felt like Buck Rogers or Tales of the Golden Monkey with a much higher budget!
Yeah just for kids, it's not like it could possibly be enjoyed by that weird thing called a family.
Who needs a family when you have:
"THe PowER of ONe"
"thE POweR Of TwO"
"tHe pOwEr oF MAaAaAnNNnyYYy"
I love your thoughts on Disney and content vs art. In regards to your comments concerning how young males and females are receiving different cultural coding; you make it sound as if the sum total of influence they receive is cultural and simplistic. I believe that you have overlooked an enormous amount of nuance and variation, as well as failing to note the weight of evolutionary, social, biological, and neurological factors. Would any of us believe that boys and girls act the way they do merely by influence of current cultural norms? Would that not be to ignore the millions of years of human and prehuman development? Or has that time and those existential pressures not been as impactful as the last five thousand years of recorded history and our present assumptions of the times and culture we live in?
Further, I understand your dismissal of the cry baby toxic fans. And I agree that star wars for the most part is a children's fiction. But I'm disappointed that you do not acknowledge that there are some arguments of merit to be made against rewriting a beloved legacy fiction into something to serve intentions somewhat alien to what it's creator intended. In short, I believe that you are strawmaning your opposition, which is a weak and foolish method of debate when one is not a great look. I agree those nerdrotic guys are on the wrong path but that doesn't mean that everything opposing the idea of loving the show is wrong. Just my thoughts here obviously. Anyway I do enjoy your work. Thank you!
I just started this video but she clearly says she left. Which means she abandoned them
No plot twist at the end? 🔀 ...
Nice one always like to hear different points of view
Haven't seen much of the new Star Wars stuff, but I think I might try this one out. Sounds like something my daughter would enjoy as well! Thanks for the video!
There’s some pretty cool sex stuff
Love your take! 40-60 year olds can still enjoy the original Star Wars trilogy for the rest of their lives. The fact that Andor was made by Disney means they still care and can offer something for older audiences. I grew up with the original Pokemon games and tv show, and while I'm not a fan of the newest releases, millions of children are, and that's ok because they're the intended audience. I can always pickup and boot up my gameboy and pickup where I left off 20 years ago. Side note, I actually purchased an Andor Black Series figure just before this video came out haha 😅, though it was on clearance, so you're right about that too, the shelves were full of them.
I am amazed they are trying to sell Andor toys. Never underestimate the incompetence of bureaucrats.
Nice take Damien. I believe Campbell was more in the vein of Freud than of Jung; there is loads of Freud in the first "Hero" book. Sure, we are in the realm of the archetypes which is Jung. If I remember, Jung characterises the male subconscious as a shadowy female figure, the "anima", which we see in dreams (Jung's patients had remarkably Jungian dreams). Early on he postulated a complementary figure, the "animus", a radiant male form seen in women's dreams. You see, women are actually unconscious; the "animus" symbolises their consciousness, if they had one -- anyway it was something like that.
Bringing it back to the show, it appears (from my non-watch) that the duality is insufficiently polarised: Mae and Osha look and talk exactly the same. We see bad twin first, presumably for dramatic tension (as if), but diluting our sympathy for good twin. Yes, I wouldn't be at all surprised if good twin originated as an imaginary "normal girl" alter ego of Leslye. Anyway do keep us posted.
You have become an edgelord for clicks Damo. I miss your insightfullness.
Though I'm happy that kids have something to watch. It is very brave of Disney to spend $22 million making each half hour TV episode for 12 year olds. This is almost as much as District 9, Looper or Limitless, and they are all full length sci-fi feature films. Wowzers!
Videos of this kind don't get clicks. Try again.
@@DamienWalter maybe you're right. Thanks for your response. I do appreciate some of your work.
@@oracfirebrand9591you could never come back and no one would notice
@@phalspar I'm not sure I was even here in the first place.
Hopefully Damo is right and this show is a masterpiece of subtle and life changing storytelling.
An epic to be revered like Empire has been since 1980. That would be refreshing in this day and age.
You’ve really poked the hive with this one 🍿
how much you got paid to say this bro😂
Lesbian witchcraft doesn't strike me as appropriate for 12-year-olds.
Bigot!
You may be surprised at how sophisticated 12yo kids are these days, @TheJeh1 . If anything, the sophomoric way in which the show treats witches and lesbians is an insult to both- and also to the kids that are supposedly being targeted (unlikely, as these kids don't watch traditional TV - they play video games, post on TikTok, and other more interesting pastimes)
Why not though?
@@that_link_main3074 are you from N.A.M.B.L.A.?
@@The_Reality_Filter I'm not quite sure what that is
Ahahahahahahahaha ,,,,ahahahahahah one comment from one of the actors is and I quote “when anakin blew up the Death Star,,,,,” I won’t go on hahahaha
And how would it affect his acting as a character who lived and died before the Death Star was created?
Harrison Ford or Alec Guinness didn’t give a flying fuck about SW lore either, Alec Guinness even despised it. It didn’t make them bad at their job.
@@kamillavalter without truly studying the source material and winging it in a well established saga and layering in things that have no actual benefit to the story telling,,,,plus he is a terrible actor he looked like a deer in the bloody head lights in his scenes so far but hey I’m just an old 39 year old asshole with nerdy interest and an opinion that this whole Star Wars being a patriarchy crap?,,leia was a damn girl boss in the freaking senate and Luke was a bitch boy on a ball of sand , this acolyte thingy??,,, it’s absolute delusion hahahaha.
The spent the money for the fan base and now they want to replace with new fans, but 12 years old have also changed and will never be as loyal to a brand like us olde's. I agree they are now between two stools and cant see ever recovering from upset loyal old fans and the limited attention span new one's. But are you saying the same about Star trek/Mcu/Dr Who.... Seems odd there all a little extra diverse than the real world?
You certainly wrecked them with this.
I’m enjoying a tv show as a tv show. I don’t expect anything from it, Star Wars isn’t only the Skywalker saga.
It's truly awful.
0:59 not about emotions. About logic and sense.
Thank you for this review.. I really could not have expressed my feelings about this series any better. I'm enjoying The Acolyte and I am so tired of all of the hate Star Wars gets. I grew up with the original trilogy and a television recorded VHS tape of Return of the Jedi... I know what it means to not have regular content.
Oh look a damage control bot 🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖
And youtube is not for false advertising.
I'm here to add to this Disney malarkey:
"BUAHAHAHAHAAAHHHAAAAA"
Wow, lots of angry men in these comments
Entire internet doesn't have to be about edgelords
I think that regression to the mean is a real thing when it comes to movies/tvshows/books. Let's be honest, most movies/tvshows/books are about average or below average. The original trilogy, and especially A New Hope, were massive successes. Huge outliers in the realm of narrative success. As time goes on however, and we get more and more Star Wars movies/tvshows/books about half of them are going to be below average and half of them are going to be above average.
I think a lot of Star Wars fans like myself remember the EU as series like X-Wing and the Thrawn Trilogy, but we forget stuff like Jedi Prince or the Crystal Star. We remember the books and stories that were great and significantly above average and forget the ones that are below average. This creates a sort of 'false greatness' that the current Star Wars is being compared against.
Im all in to watch bandit join the rebellion
Very incisive. I really appreciated this as I do so much of your work. Salient and pretty much right on the mark. (And I say this as a SW die-hard who first saw the original -- and still best -- movie on July 4, 1977 as a smarter-than most 12-year-old).
Star Wars is for kids when it's convenient. Then we have Andor which obviously isn't.
Your sarcasm is great
Well then, don't blame us when we don't go to see it.
The power of ONE
What do physical attributes have to do with liking a show? Does your body determine your ideas?
Yes. To a large extent, yes.
@@jacquedegatineau9037 what's the point of making a video or having ba discussion if your beliefs are determined by physical attributes and not a process of thought or lack there of.
I really appreciated this. I agree with the overall take for sure, esp. the analysis of Disney. I haven’t enjoyed the Acolyte but was quite aware it’s because I’m a man of a certain age and background. I would suggest the writing is a bit stilted but that aside, think you’re on the money.
I agree
I don’t really care for the Acolyte, but there are some elements that I find interesting. I like the portrayal of the Jedi and that the both sides of the conflict are in the wrong. The music is really cool, it has a SW feel, but at the same time is not heavily influenced by the original soundtrack (like Rogue One, for example). It is always nice when composers try something different. The acting is good (except the kids - well, kid actors are usually not great). I don’t like the exposition dump in the dialogue, but there are some beautiful lines too. It all has the Clone Wars feeling (and I love some of the CW).
Actually, when the Acolyte was announced, I imagined some kind of a gritty noir-ish murder investigation and was a bit disappointed when I saw the first trailer. But at least it is better than the recent Dave Filoni stuff, so I’ll continue to watch while waiting for season 2 of Andor.
From what I can see, many people want to hate this show, regardless of its quality. However, they can't just outright admit that, so they make a general comment on the "script" and "dialogue", in the attempt to make it look like their criticism is based on something substantial. When pressed on that, they go very quiet.
So all the problems of the original star wars are just turned up to 11 in the Acolyte?
So the major premise you posit that I fundamentally disagree with is that the audience relating to what they're seeing on screen equates to success. That Andor succeeds because middle-aged men relate to it, or that Acolyte is great for 12 year olds because they relate to it. Humans relate to struggle and tension, no matter the form. Yes, it's nice to relate, but it's never necessary. I think all of us here have greatly enjoyed or despised media he had no relatable anchor points to, simply on the basis of their quality of storytelling.