The guy really never had a "prime" as he had serious injuries from 22 years old. I remember reading something saying how the Blazers team doctor was amazed that he was even walking after he examined him lol
@@BarstoolBlues33 one of the biggest what if. Despite having a limited mobility, he had an incredible career. Imagine without the injuries and with less drinking :O
Sabonis es leyenda pero a veces la gente es exageradita. Me explico, ¿Dónde está el baño que le dio a Robinson? Será que ese mate vale por 10 (y es un jugador de 2,20)..Hasta se nota que Sabonis mejoró mucho después en la zona porque fallaba algunas que ni..Obviamente el físico ahí era excelente...Y claro que hubiese sido uno de los grandes centros de la NBA, incluso a lo mejor de la historia, pero a veces exageramos.. Me recuerdo el duelo Olajuwon-O Neal, está en el populacho que Olajuwon le dio un baño a O´Neal y obviamente fue mejor y le metió 4-0, pero jobar O Neal hizo una gran serie a nivel individual. Pues el duelo de Sabonis-Robinson lo mismo, no hay baño de nadie a nadie, incluso se puede decir que Robinson vencía a Sabonis.
Mi jugador favorito de la historia de la NBA es olajuwon y estoy de acuerdo contigo qué o neal a nivel de numeros individuales fueron casi identicos a los de olajuwon. Y por otro lado Recuerda que sabonis llegó a la NBA por encima de los 30 años con problemas en albas rodillas por eso me refiero que si hubiese dado en salto más joven se ubiese convertido en uno de los mejores centros de la historia de la NBA y las ofertas se le sobraron pero recuerda la guerrra guerra fria que existia entra USA Y el pais de sabonis gracias por escribirme vendiciones para ti y tu familia👍🙏
Sabonis had a severe Achilles tendon injury, and that's the main reason why he didn't go to the NBA earlier. Sarunas Marciulionis joined Golden State in 1989. SSSR disintegrated in 1991, and Sabonis went to the NBA in 1995.
The soviets didn't take care of his health. They never rested his knees and ankles, overworked him. When NBA docs examined him, they said with just his x-rays he could qualify for a handicap parking space.
Very interesting videos... As a European who has watched Sabonis in the 80s, I will commit blasphemy and say that he was overrated in certain aspects of his game. I remember quite vividly saying to myself watching him for Zalguiris in the then Euroleague how, for example, he has no back-to-the basket moves to speak of. Just a hookshot, period. At the same time, you had masters of the back to the basket moves and footwork at the time like Dino Radja, for example. Inside, Sabonis just bullied people, but footwork leaved a lot to be desired. His strong points was obviously supreme basketball IQ, incredible hands and passing at 7-3, soft touch and solid defence. But he primarily was a point center like Jokic today and had a better face-to-the basket game. Overall, when you add all up - supreme skills for a giant, IQ and personality, he was a phenomenal player. But he had holes in his game and of course he was diminished by the injuries. At the same time, his exceptional skills allowed him to have an impact playing after both his Achilles tendons were gone.
Sometimes you don't need fancy moves to be great. Just look at Kareem sky-hook - that move was very simple, everyone knew that it was coming and it was un-guardable :)
@@Rufgaudas It's not that Sabas was not great in this respect, people (me included) forget that this was almost 40 (when he first appeared) and 35 years ago (when he was already an established star). His bag of tricks was extensive, but he often simply did not need it - he was so big that he could just turn around and make a layup. But if I had to pick one weakness in his game, that would be the back to the basket moves. Other than that, I can't think of any. BTW, another player who also had no significant back to the basket moves was Divac (also great all around center). Radja had Kevin Mc Hale like footwork on the other hand.
@@MARIOROSSI-pg3qz 4 years younger... Interestingly enough, really big guys who don't have a low center of gravity tend to have a better face up game. Gasol had great footwork, but he did not have a bunch of up and under moves, fakes and hesitations like Radja. Those who develop that are unguardable. Zoran Savic comes to mind, to a lesser extent.
@@bogdanbackup I was in the crowd when (final 1991 European) Yugoslavia without Petrovic destroyed us. Radja was good, Divac was better. We left the building, 30 minutes later we saw Yugo bus, Vlade was there, smoking
There is a question "historically". Did you realize the Admiral ended with better numbers than Ewing and played 2 less seasons? He was the best center behind Hakeem. Sabonis was no where near Mr Robinsons neighborhood.
@@m0skit0 wellllll YOU can check the stats yourself son...I'm not saying Sabonis wasn't a true force I'm sayin D.R. wasn't as "soft" as people said and an injured world cup Sabonis vs collegiate Robinson would still favor Sabonis
@@m0skit0 Do you need to know Hitler personally to tell he was a nazi? It is enough to know history. Having seen multiple interviews with the players also helps.
Sabonis can hold his own in offense with his size, skills and passing, but even 88, Robinson was too quick for him and had it been in NBA Sabonis would quickly be in foul trouble guarding him one on one.
Sabonis played those games after being injured for a year and it is evident that Robinson was faster. But Sabonis with his size, skills, blocking, shot and passing was able to be more decisive. At WC 86, it happened backwards. Sabonis was a more mature and better player than Robinson but being more erratic USA won the Mundobaket. Sabonis's great virtue was being able to adapt to different conditions and play injured like no one else could have done.
Sabonis had a severe Achilles tendon injury in 1986, and that is the main reason why he did not go to the NBA earlier. "Before signing Sabonis, Portland's then-general manager, Bob Whitsitt, asked the Blazers team physician to look at Sabonis' X-rays. Illustrating the impact of Sabonis' numerous injuries, Whitsitt recalled in a 2011 interview, that when the doctor reported the results, 'He said that Arvydas could qualify for a handicapped parking spot, based on the X-ray alone.'" Sabonis>Nowitzki>Dražen Petrović
It is quite clear that Sabonis has not the same agility that he had in 1986.
The guy really never had a "prime" as he had serious injuries from 22 years old. I remember reading something saying how the Blazers team doctor was amazed that he was even walking after he examined him lol
@@BarstoolBlues33 one of the biggest what if. Despite having a limited mobility, he had an incredible career. Imagine without the injuries and with less drinking :O
@@BarstoolBlues33 He said he was convinced they would give him a handicapped parking place in front
of the Blazers' arena...
@@BarstoolBlues33 His top showing was actually at 22 years old on the Euro in Germany, I believe he was still injury free.
Yes i agree.. he was so fast in 86
Si sabonis hubiese dado el salto a la NBA cuando tenia esa edad hubiese si unos de los mejores centro de la historia de la NBA
Sabonis es leyenda pero a veces la gente es exageradita. Me explico, ¿Dónde está el baño que le dio a Robinson? Será que ese mate vale por 10 (y es un jugador de 2,20)..Hasta se nota que Sabonis mejoró mucho después en la zona porque fallaba algunas que ni..Obviamente el físico ahí era excelente...Y claro que hubiese sido uno de los grandes centros de la NBA, incluso a lo mejor de la historia, pero a veces exageramos.. Me recuerdo el duelo Olajuwon-O Neal, está en el populacho que Olajuwon le dio un baño a O´Neal y obviamente fue mejor y le metió 4-0, pero jobar O Neal hizo una gran serie a nivel individual. Pues el duelo de Sabonis-Robinson lo mismo, no hay baño de nadie a nadie, incluso se puede decir que Robinson vencía a Sabonis.
Mi jugador favorito de la historia de la NBA es olajuwon y estoy de acuerdo contigo qué o neal a nivel de numeros individuales fueron casi identicos a los de olajuwon. Y por otro lado Recuerda que sabonis llegó a la NBA por encima de los 30 años con problemas en albas rodillas por eso me refiero que si hubiese dado en salto más joven se ubiese convertido en uno de los mejores centros de la historia de la NBA y las ofertas se le sobraron pero recuerda la guerrra guerra fria que existia entra USA Y el pais de sabonis gracias por escribirme vendiciones para ti y tu familia👍🙏
Gracias
De nada
86' Sabonis reminds me Bill Walton , 88' Sabonis has clearly a very limited mobility , realy unfortuned
Keep in mind, in round 2 Sabonis is already after the injuries! he is not jumping much
Thanks for the heads up. His jumping definitely was unimpressive.
Still getting all the defensive rebounds and altering shots...
Feel empathy for Robinson ...because nobody else could have done anything against him either ....except maybe wilt .....
2.11m...later 2.16m..how?
Robinson estaba en la Marina esa temporada.. llegó a la NBA en la 89
Round two and forever more- all Robinson.
I'm afraid not.
Sabonis dominates
Russia shouldn't have messed with Sambonis going to the NBA, in his prime.
Sabonis had a severe Achilles tendon injury, and that's the main reason why he didn't go to the NBA earlier. Sarunas Marciulionis joined Golden State in 1989. SSSR disintegrated in 1991, and Sabonis went to the NBA in 1995.
The soviets didn't take care of his health. They never rested his knees and ankles, overworked him. When NBA docs examined him, they said with just his x-rays he could qualify for a handicap parking space.
Very interesting videos... As a European who has watched Sabonis in the 80s, I will commit blasphemy and say that he was overrated in certain aspects of his game. I remember quite vividly saying to myself watching him for Zalguiris in the then Euroleague how, for example, he has no back-to-the basket moves to speak of. Just a hookshot, period. At the same time, you had masters of the back to the basket moves and footwork at the time like Dino Radja, for example. Inside, Sabonis just bullied people, but footwork leaved a lot to be desired. His strong points was obviously supreme basketball IQ, incredible hands and passing at 7-3, soft touch and solid defence. But he primarily was a point center like Jokic today and had a better face-to-the basket game. Overall, when you add all up - supreme skills for a giant, IQ and personality, he was a phenomenal player. But he had holes in his game and of course he was diminished by the injuries. At the same time, his exceptional skills allowed him to have an impact playing after both his Achilles tendons were gone.
Sometimes you don't need fancy moves to be great. Just look at Kareem sky-hook - that move was very simple, everyone knew that it was coming and it was un-guardable :)
@@Rufgaudas It's not that Sabas was not great in this respect, people (me included) forget that this was almost 40 (when he first appeared) and 35 years ago (when he was already an established star). His bag of tricks was extensive, but he often simply did not need it - he was so big that he could just turn around and make a layup. But if I had to pick one weakness in his game, that would be the back to the basket moves. Other than that, I can't think of any. BTW, another player who also had no significant back to the basket moves was Divac (also great all around center). Radja had Kevin Mc Hale like footwork on the other hand.
Agree. But Radja was much younger than Sabonis
@@MARIOROSSI-pg3qz 4 years younger... Interestingly enough, really big guys who don't have a low center of gravity tend to have a better face up game. Gasol had great footwork, but he did not have a bunch of up and under moves, fakes and hesitations like Radja. Those who develop that are unguardable. Zoran Savic comes to mind, to a lesser extent.
@@bogdanbackup I was in the crowd when (final 1991 European) Yugoslavia without Petrovic destroyed us. Radja was good, Divac was better. We left the building, 30 minutes later we saw Yugo bus, Vlade was there, smoking
There's no question that Sabonis was a greater player historically than Robinson; prime to prime? No contest
What game did u watch? The rest of the USA team sucked
There is a question "historically". Did you realize the Admiral ended with better numbers than Ewing and played 2 less seasons? He was the best center behind Hakeem. Sabonis was no where near Mr Robinsons neighborhood.
@@durreallduncan4710 Keep telling yourself that so you can sleep at night, kid. This is an INJURED Sabonis. Check 1986.
@@m0skit0 wellllll YOU can check the stats yourself son...I'm not saying Sabonis wasn't a true force I'm sayin D.R. wasn't as "soft" as people said and an injured world cup Sabonis vs collegiate Robinson would still favor Sabonis
@@durreallduncan4710 This game is much more than stats. Sabonis was a much more intelligent and complete player. By far.
Man sabonis gets a rebound and passes a quarter second later, those commies could play!
Except that Sabonis was not a commie, even if playing for their team.
Sabonis was Lithunanian. They had no loyalty to Communism. They were forced into the Soviet Bloc.
Include marciulinis
I'm pretty sure you guys knew Sabonis personally and he told you he was not a communist.
@@m0skit0 Do you need to know Hitler personally to tell he was a nazi? It is enough to know history. Having seen multiple interviews with the players also helps.
Robins geda
Sabonis can hold his own in offense with his size, skills and passing, but even 88, Robinson was too quick for him and had it been in NBA Sabonis would quickly be in foul trouble guarding him one on one.
Sabonis played those games after being injured for a year and it is evident that Robinson was faster. But Sabonis with his size, skills, blocking, shot and passing was able to be more decisive. At WC 86, it happened backwards. Sabonis was a more mature and better player than Robinson but being more erratic USA won the Mundobaket.
Sabonis's great virtue was being able to adapt to different conditions and play injured like no one else could have done.
Sabonis had a severe Achilles tendon injury in 1986, and that is the main reason why he did not go to the NBA earlier. "Before signing Sabonis, Portland's then-general manager, Bob Whitsitt, asked the Blazers team physician to look at Sabonis' X-rays. Illustrating the impact of Sabonis' numerous injuries, Whitsitt recalled in a 2011 interview, that when the doctor reported the results, 'He said that Arvydas could qualify for a handicapped parking spot, based on the X-ray alone.'" Sabonis>Nowitzki>Dražen Petrović
in 1988 Sabonis was already injured, check him in 1986, Robinson had nothing to do
lol Sabonis really never had a prime as he had serious injuries since he was 22. He would have ate Robinson up here if he was completely healthy.