Karl-Anthony Towns OBJ isn’t as big of a cancer as the media pushes. He’s just Uber competitive and wants to be on a winning team for once in his life.
Dorsey has a great eye for talent, but that is it. He has no understanding of how to build team cohesion, culture or (apparently) an offensive line. “Picking the wrong head coach” is a bit of an understatement to describe arguably the worst hire in modern nfl history and being incapable of controlling his team
@@omacmill5189 I can guarantee you if Greg Williams would have been given the opportunity to be the HC with the same and current roster... the Browns are a wild-card team this year guaranteed.
I like Dorsey as far as dealing for good talent & draft prospects. His two downfalls were hiring a guy who wasn't qualified for HC, and not giving a head coach full control. We need to get a PROVEN HC & just turn him loose. The GM shouldn't have any say in what the coach does. A coach that is "held back" is a coach with a big handicap.
jerry jones, the haslems, daniel snyder= failure. JJ won't hire a good GM and coach ( not that he can't ), Haslem's can't because their like nerds at a singles bar ( they just can't ), Snyder is just too impatient and a meddler.
@Johnny Morphine Jimmy Johnson did not Jerry. Jerry just made them more Hollywood and profitable ( There the most valuable sports franchise in America, ahead of the Yankees according to Forbes ). he's the GM and he has the last word on coaching staff hires. Yes obviously JJ isn't anywhere close to as nuclear stupid as the Haslem's.
Why would you do one with the lions ppl really thought the browns was going to be good no one thought the lions would be i new the browns wouldn’t be good this year kitchens is just way way to green and baker wasn’t as bad as ppl say he did as good as he could with the game plans and everything that wint against him the o-line the play calling if you can’t trust your o-line you throw a lot of picks cause your always playing faster then everyone else and everyone is out of position But no one will talk about how bad the play calling was and how bad that o-line is if they fix that they will be fine baker will be fine he’ll be a top 10 QB if he can overcome the browns and that’s a huge if
A lot of people said that, including me. For some reason, there’s also a lot of people that can’t look past Bountygate, even though the guy went 5-3 as interim coach. McCarthy would’ve been a good hire too imo.
Cringe Life guy actually had a demeanour that would put any player in line. I thought he carried an attitude of “I don’t give a fuck who you are” which is what this Browns team needs, minus a few dickheads
They'd lucked into a coaching combination that worked - so you just *knew* they had to eff it up! Jimmy had to Put His Stamp on the team. And the only stamp he has on his desk is... FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@I am the Senate I know them and the browns are the only teams that didn't make the playoffs atleast once during the 2010's. It ask started in 2010 when they got screwed on a call at home v Detroit.
@I am the Senate The Browns regularly win the draft, the pre-season, and the "Highest Loss Percentage Of Any Professional Sports Franchise Anywhere" award. And in Jimmy Haslam's eyes, this is winning. I kid you not.
@I am the Senate yes but you have seen a Super bowl victory in your life. As crappy as the Bucs were when they were rocking the Cream Sicle colored jersies, they never went 0-16.
The logic in the part about Baker's height felt like some Alice in Wonderland reasoning to me.... 'Yes, the other QBs are short, dear Alice, but they are high in character.' 'So to throw the ball down the field, Baker will need more....character?' 'Yes, but not so much that they will be unable to scramble! That's the key!'
David's Day Vids And that’s a huge accomplishment but qb’s can’t be judged off of one year Peyton manning broke the rookie int record and now he’s in the hof also in the nfl those accomplishments are meant to be build upon breaking the rookie td record was good but now he’s underperforming with an elite receiving corps and a monster in nick chubb
I said it a year ago. They'd lucked into a coaching combination that worked - so you just **knew** they'd have to screw it up! Haslam's probably wondering when his Participation Trophy is gonna show up in the mail.
Jarvis Family exactly. Baker may have clicked with Freddie Kitchens, but Gregg was the hardnosed, no nonsense coach they needed. Kitchens is an idiot to put it politely.
Nope...since 1990. They have only had 4 season that were even remotely considered as 'winning' seasons and one of those was a lackluster 9 - 7 (2002). A lousy 4 "good" seasons in over three decades...that's pathetic! Almost as pathetic as the fans who keep buying tickets.
They’re making it work. Baker has got a long way to go and he’s learning. The team is starting to gel. As Stefanski said when he came in “personalities are accepted, but production is required”
Jimmy Haslam - driving the Klownn Karr off the cliff for 8 straight seasons - AND COUNTING!!!! But, let's take a moment to review Jimmy's many and varied accomplishments: 1. He's hired more head coaches during his tenure as Browns owner than most NFL owners hire in 20 years. 2. He's hired more GM's during his tenure as Browns owner than most NFL owners hire in 20 years. 3. He's overseen more losses during his tenure as Browns owner than most NFL owners have in 20 years. 4. AND - he's COMPLETELY CONVINCED the FBI that he really was too clueless to know sh*t about the fuel rebate scam at Pilot/Flying-J! WIN-WIN!!!! So y'see - ol' Slick, he's accomplished so much. SOOOO MUUUUCH!!!!!!! Jimmy Haslam - the King of Flail!!!!!
Because on paper they were. Give this roster as-is to New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, or any other tried-and-true winning culture with a decent staff, and they are going to AT LEAST the conference title game.
1:18 "Lowest point the Browns have ever been at" Haha if a 6-10 season means the worst point ever in Brown's history, I don't think you understand any of the Browns failures.
This is worse because their fans were expecting them to go to the Super Bowl. Like this is the most angry ive ever seen browns fans. Even when they went winless they for the most part were still pretty lighthearted and laughed it off. This was disgusting. No excuse for this team not making the playoffs with such a weak and top heavy AFC
@@JNN- You're joking right, LOWEST POINT doesn't mean what fans think, players think or even what the tooth fairy thinks. You're definition of "Lowest point" does not make any sense as there have been moments in Brown's history where fans were at the brink of burning down the stadium. Like: John Elway's Drive (1987) Earnest Byner's Fumble (1988) Losing to the Broncos in the AFC championship for a third time in a row (1989) Relocation of the Browns (1995) Jaguars vs Browns (Bottlegate) (2001) Plus this level of disappointment has been witness countless times in their history starting with Tim Couch.
Trickster guys there has arguably never been so much scrutiny by the media and NFL fans than this season. They haven’t been touted as SB contender since they became a team again but this year you had numerous pundits having them go all the way. Yet from their supposed savior QB to their super star WR they failed and disappointed in every shape and form. The super star WR you just traded for telling teams to come get me, your star DE hit a rival team’s player with a helmet. So many lows after a season which started more optimistic than ever. This is the lowest point in their history.
@@JNN- First of all, their was no person who actually watched Football who thought that the Browns were going all the way. Even Colin Cowherd said that there was "no way the browns get over .500." Also their team outlook right now looks amazingly good. They have a great #1 receiver in Jarvis Landry, a star RB in Nick Chubb, a clear pass rusher in Myles Garrett, and great secondary lead by Denzel Ward. With a quality coach who knows how to run an offense without changing it at the last second. You clearly don't know anything about football and/or Browns history and only know what people told you within the last couple months. The fact that you know nothing of the 1995 Browns where they also had superbowl aspirations coming off an 11-5 season only for them to move to Baltimore all of a sudden. Just @Cole Adams, you have no clear understanding of anything Browns related and will continue to be incorrect with any hot takes you make.
Dude first of all chill. I do know football you’re not the judge of that. Second I said they haven’t been a contender since they became a team again, learn how to read. Multiple sports writer including Max Kellerman saw super bowl contention for them this year. So many were at least positive they would make the playoff since the Steelers would be without Bell and AB so who knew what would happen with them, no one saw the Ravens being this good or Lamar becoming the MVP in his second year, and well the bengals don’t even deserve to be mentioned. The browns were basically a shoe-in to make the playoffs, maybe even contend with the pretty superb display of talent across the board, as you mentioned. I’m pretty sure there was no one sayin Ryan freaking Tanehill would lead the Titans to a playoff spot while Baker would have regress to looking like an annoying and cocky Brandon Weeden. This is an incredible low point in Browns history, one of it not their lowest. You said not the fans, player, or whoever determines what lowest point means and neither does you, it’s an opinion not a fact. So I would suggest not wasting your time with ad-hominem or straw man attacks. This is in MY OPION and the same opinion held by a lot of fans, pundits, and sports you tubers because of the expectations put on this team. They’ve managed to pretty much fail to meet everyone’s expectations, fall in such disarray and disfunction that didn’t even seem possible for them. You trade for a guy who’s supposed to be a top 3 receiver in the league and a few games into the season him and his best bud, your other top receiver, are heard telling other teams to come get them like a bunch of middle schoolers scared after their mom drops them off for a sleep over. A coach who acts like a cringe dad trying to be cool and seems to not know anything about running an modern NFL offense or keeping his players accountable. Then your star DE almost severely injured a guy by swinging his helmet at him, and the coach is then seen wearing a t-shirt mocking the event. It might not be the lowest point in franchise history but hey the entire history of the Cleveland Browns is pretty much all one giant low point.
USC should've hired Jack Del Rio last year to be their HC. He's an USC alumni & they've wanted JDR for quite some time. But I guess they're gonna have to wait until after next season because he's the DC now w/ the Redskins. Oh well, there's always Hue Jackson. I think Hue would do better as a college coach than an NFL coach.
@Andy Gygi When they made the playoff in 2002, everyone thought they would be good in 2003 and they then finished 5-11. Then, in 2007, they ended the season with a 10-6 record (just missing the playoff). Everyone then predicted they would win the division the next season. The 2008 result was 4-12.
@Andy Gygi If you'd wanna go back to before they left and became the Ravens, they had 3 painful AFC Championship losses in the 80's, even though people were saying they were a lock for the super bowl.
@@KaiVellichor that's why I feel so bad for Browns fans. Despite coming up short so many times in the 90s, that team was still competitive and had they stayed in Cleveland, they would've brought Cleveland at least one Super Bowl. Instead, that heartless bastard Modell ripped that team away from Cleveland and all Cleveland got back was an impostor
as a ravens fan who was constantly getting battered before the season by other nfl fans who thought the browns were going to top the division and at least make it to the AFC championship, im glad they are quiet. i was the only ravens fan in my friend group who said that the ravens will go 9-7 and win the AFC north division and probably play in the wildcard. well according to my friends, they thought my prediction was deluded. well guess what the ravens team actually did WAY more than i had predicted. my team went 14-2, clinched the division, #1 seed, top 5 offense and defense, lamar exceeded his expectations (before the season i predicted lamar to have 25 TD passes, 2,900 yds, 9 ints, 10 rushing TDs, 1,000 rushing yds, 95.5 passer rating), we continued to use justin tucker when needed and rarely punted, and we beat a handful of the nfl's top teams. the fact my friend group saw this happen made them reconsider their opinion on the ravens season while some would find excuses on why they beat teams like the pats, seahawks, 49ers, texans, and the revenge matchup against the "hype train" browns. again, my initial prediction for this season wasn't to have my ravens make it to the superbowl but the way we've been playing, i at least expect an afc championship appearance where we will likely play against the chiefs and "post-season" version of the patriots. if we actually make the superbowl, i want to win it so my friends who make excuses can actually accept that the ravens are the top team in the nfl (not just regular season) of 2019-20.
Gregg Williams managed to somehow have a winning record with the CLEVELAND BROWNS. Thats like finding a four leaf clover And they let him go for an inexperinced lackey. Who couldnt keep control of the team. The Browns are the most dysfunctional franchise of all time. They will suck forever
It seemed like sports media did nothing but shit on Baker all season and you think he deserves MORE hate? By that logic, you could rename The Herd to Colin Cowherd Hating On Baker For Three Hours. I will agree Baker was terrible this season but I think the negative attention got to him more than people think. And he felt he needed to keep talking cause everybody else was too. Not excusing his behavior but maybe if every sports media analyst just toned down the hate and stopped talking about him, he might focus on improving his game instead of trying to defend himself.
Yeah Baker kinda got put into a no win situation this season. Freddie Kitchens stopped designing game plans around his strengths and the team's lacking offensive line, and basically left him out to dry. The Rams game was a perfect example of this where when Baker got rid of the ball under 2 seconds after the snap, he was nearly perfect. Anything over that, the Browns couldn't do anything. Freddie kept calling long developing plays that forced Baker to scramble around and force throws. That led to him having to try to fit balls into tight spaces constantly, which led to the metric fuckton of passes bouncing off his receiver's hands and turning into interceptions. If they had a coach who would've designed plays around his team's strengths and hid their deficiencies and one who would be able to control his players, they could've been great. I don't blame Dorsey too much for this. He picked the guy who unlocked the team's offensive potential last season and he turned out to not be ready. Firing him after this season is just asinine
@@puddlespuddles5208 yeah definitely. I don't think he did himself a lot of favors with how he leaned into a lot of the stuff, but Baker is a guy who feeds off of negativity and people doubting him. I think his stats from this season are misleading because of the utterly incompetent offensive system he was placed in this year, so all the shit talking he did off the field didn't really get backed up on it
Craig Martin Baker not the only qb who been trash by the fans and media. Brady, the manning brothers and big ben been trash by the media for years yet they all made the media look stupid by winning championships. They ignore the media nor get into arguments on the internet whit any of them. Baker should try that.
puddles puddles I love Baker but he deserves all the shit he gets this dude hasn’t proven shit but he makes fun of Daniel jones for no reason before the kid’s even taken an nfl snap 😂 and I get why baker thinks that way, because Daniel jones is a spoiled rich kid who went to duke and has manning support, while baker has been doubted since high school more than almost any other pro qb. I would expect baker to hate Daniel jones. But he doesn’t need to say it publicly, especially with a lot of pressure on his shoulders going into a big season. And then * flop *, they were terrible and Baker regressed. He still does a cross step on his dropbacks, his mobility is still predicable, ie he hasn’t gotten better. That being said the Cleveland media is a cesspool so I have no problem with him snapping at them, but as far as the narrative that Baker underperformed after talking shit, that’s a legit criticism and he has to be smarter.
Surprised you didn't mention the Bills when speaking of culture and rules. Speaking of which, would you please make a Bills video on their success under their current GM and coach. Keep up the great videos.
"Jimmy Haslam is a good man, and he does a lot of good things..." Clearly you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Google the Flying J company. See how good of a man Jimmy is.
Give me a roster full of good, solid 2nd/3rd round picks who are mature and have a good solid work ethic, rather than one filled with a bunch of 1st rounders who possess freakish talent and genetics, but have the maturity and attitude of someone who is 12 years old!!! Good character counts more than some people realize.
As a browns fan I knew this would happen from the start, I had hope however deep down I knew from past experiences that this would happen. Edit: I’m also from Louisville and I’ve always wanted Lamar to get drafted to the browns because we moved from Cleveland 20 years ago. I don’t like baker mayfield and I’m honestly happy they didn’t draft Lamar because he would not be doing the same things with the ravens
Mihir Mahajan (Student) did you watch the video? They were speaking about Odel Beckham and said he’s the first international player in the NFL. I highly disagree, and feel like Tom Brady is much more well known worldwide than Beckham.
Talk to any lifelong Univ. of Ala. fan and their response to hearing that Freddie Kitchens was given a head coaching (or any other) position in the NFL will be along the lines of "WTF???" Kitchens was a cheap man's version of Kenny Stabler, terrible QB, alcohol/personality issues, and just plain dumb. It's frankly incomprehensible how he climbed as high as he did.
It's a part of life. It's a hell of a lot easier to fail than succeed. Cold hard fact of life. It's like that in the NFL and it's like that everywhere.
The browns are like that sad, old, depressed father, who has this overachieving son in the Ravens, that constantly fail, but occasionally has a ton of hype, but still somehow manages to fall back into obscurity EVERY. SINGLE. FREAKING. TIME.
Bryan Jackson What makes no sense is a fan who refuses to accept why they lost their football team! I’ve accepted why Baltimore lost our Colts, it was because out local government chose to support other programs in the inner city, in lieu of building a new stadium that had luxury suites. Baltimore instead chose to build a new arena, convention center, science center, and aquarium, instead of building a new arena for the Colts, so we lost our team. Cleveland, with Mayor White did the EXACT same things in building Jacob’s Field, an arena for the Cavs, and The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame instead of a new stadium for the Brown’s. I’ve already read the newspaper articles, Cleveland made the same mistakes Baltimore did! We took our football teams and owners for granted and thought that fan loyalty and the NFL hierarchy would prevent our two teams from leaving for more profitable pastures. We were BOTH wrong! Just be a man and admit that! Sure, Art may have lied to Cleveland, but Robert Irsay lied to Baltimore! They both moved their teams after promising NOT to!
As a Jets fan Greg Williams is the best thing about our team. The reason jets went 7-9 and not worse is because of the play on defense. For as bad as the jets are offensively with Gase running the show I am at least greatful we got williams running our defense. Thank you Cleveland.
Ok I’m a browns fan and I can tell u have never watched the browns actually play. A lot of what u said is true but Freddie was the reason we were bad last year. Baker did not have good year but the teams timing was all off and Freddie was not hard on the players. Baker was in a lot of commercials and wasn’t were we need him to be but he has owned up to his mistakes and he still is very young and has a lot of potential
Solid analysis. As a long time Browns fan, I was disappointed this year but didn't have unrealistic expectations going into the season (predicted we'd go 9-7). Although I was upset, there's some bright spots that Browns fans can hang their hat too that isn't being addressed a lot = 1) Had a starting QB for an entire season, something that we haven't had since Tim Couch in '99, 2) 1,000+ yard rusher in Chubb and 3) we beat all of our divisional opponents, although we should've gone 5-1 instead of 3-3. Again, disappointed because of all the talent we have, but still positive. Guess the positive outlook is always in the Browns faithful, "there's always next year!"
I'm glad someone has the balls to say Baker isn't getting enough hate Who knows what the Browns could've been this year if he could just learn to put his head down, go to work, and avoid the distraction of responding to Johnny what's-his-face dissing his mom's meatloaf every week Probably still a mess, but at very least they wouldn't have had a perpetual self-imposed target on their backs
You were spot on for 98% of this. Haslam is not any moral fiber character winner. Don't forget his involvement in his corporate scandals, where he skated through the charges. He definitely needs to stay out of the kitchen, too many cooks in there who don't know what they're doing. If they don't hire a real coach with playoffs experience like McCarthy, they're screwed.
The people I feel the most sad for is the fans. It takes a lot to stick with a team that makes shitty choices like the Browns, even the most die hard fans have limits and I really hope it gets better for them at some point.
You are correct. Like he was making commercials during the season... they are made in the offseason. The Progressive ones were good. Baker is misunderstood. He is all about football. He is not Johnny Manzeil. Yes, he does troll a bit. So what. He just needs better coaching and scheme.
You know it’s bad when a team gets dirtier AFTER Gregg Williams leaves
This is the greatest comment I have ever seen kudos to you
The King Of The Internet they shoulda kept him as coach tbh
The King Of The Internet he left the rams
The King Of The Internet gregg williams isn’t a bad coach
Vinneola bountygate type beat
Guy builds the most talented roster in Cleveland Browns history... gets fired for picking the wrong head coach typical Browns lmao
*most talented and cancerous roster
Putting OBJ with Baker Mayfield and Kareem Hunt is just asking for an off field tire fire
Karl-Anthony Towns OBJ isn’t as big of a cancer as the media pushes. He’s just Uber competitive and wants to be on a winning team for once in his life.
Dorsey has a great eye for talent, but that is it. He has no understanding of how to build team cohesion, culture or (apparently) an offensive line. “Picking the wrong head coach” is a bit of an understatement to describe arguably the worst hire in modern nfl history and being incapable of controlling his team
@@omacmill5189 I can guarantee you if Greg Williams would have been given the opportunity to be the HC with the same and current roster... the Browns are a wild-card team this year guaranteed.
Dr. Redzone- That's an exaggeration. A big exaggeration!
John Dorsey shouldnt have been fired cuz he was the best GM they had and got a talented team.
Naganachiketh Chinnamuttevi He got fired because he didn’t have the same vision as Mangement
What about paul depedesto he didnt want to hire freddy or hue hes good
John dorsey is stupid all he can do is hire bad coaches
I like Dorsey as far as dealing for good talent & draft prospects. His two downfalls were hiring a guy who wasn't qualified for HC, and not giving a head coach full control. We need to get a PROVEN HC & just turn him loose. The GM shouldn't have any say in what the coach does. A coach that is "held back" is a coach with a big handicap.
Talent doesnt matter if it doesnt work
You should do the failure of the Dallas Cowboys
Jason garrett
Just left the building on Thursday.
The cowboys are not even bad
jerry jones, the haslems, daniel snyder= failure.
JJ won't hire a good GM and coach ( not that he can't ), Haslem's can't because their like nerds at a singles bar ( they just can't ), Snyder is just too impatient and a meddler.
@Johnny Morphine Jimmy Johnson did not Jerry. Jerry just made them more Hollywood and profitable ( There the most valuable sports franchise in America, ahead of the Yankees according to Forbes ). he's the GM and he has the last word on coaching staff hires. Yes obviously JJ isn't anywhere close to as nuclear stupid as the Haslem's.
The browns will never win anything of significance while Jimmy Haslam owns them.
Facts. They'd be lucky just to lose in the wild card.
Facts
Yup
werd.
@@EdgeHeadFUHaters No worries!
They won't get that far.
I definitely would not have thought I would hear “Nick Chubb is the best player on the team” after only two years. Boy did he prove me wrong
I remember that guy welcoming Mayfield at the Airport when he was with Chubb. He turned to Nick and said who are you ? Are you a player as well ?
There wasnt a failure that occurred, overhype occurred, and per usual the Browns did what the Browns do
Do a failure of the Detroit lions
Rork Poast 😂😂
As long as it is better than UrinatingTree's lazy surface level attempt
For a lions fan it’s not really a failure, it’s just a normal season 😂
they were always a failure
Why would you do one with the lions ppl really thought the browns was going to be good no one thought the lions would be i new the browns wouldn’t be good this year kitchens is just way way to green and baker wasn’t as bad as ppl say he did as good as he could with the game plans and everything that wint against him the o-line the play calling if you can’t trust your o-line you throw a lot of picks cause your always playing faster then everyone else and everyone is out of position But no one will talk about how bad the play calling was and how bad that o-line is if they fix that they will be fine baker will be fine he’ll be a top 10 QB if he can overcome the browns and that’s a huge if
Same with my rams this year. Tons of talent wasted...
I’m disappointed at how the Rams finished the season. 🤦🏾♂️
Rams r garbage. I’m a saints fan lol.
Tbh, if it weren’t for nfc west, Rams would have made it to the playoffs.
Sure, they got worse but things like that almost always happens after SB
Its like every team that goes to the Superbowl only wins 9 games the next season
Ok but Atleast the rams kept the people around who led them to success........like Stan Kronkie is a cheap ass but like he is a competent owner
Unpopular Opinion: Greg Williams should’ve been hired on as HC
Alex Weinstock I thought exactly the same
A lot of people said that, including me. For some reason, there’s also a lot of people that can’t look past Bountygate, even though the guy went 5-3 as interim coach. McCarthy would’ve been a good hire too imo.
Cringe Life guy actually had a demeanour that would put any player in line. I thought he carried an attitude of “I don’t give a fuck who you are” which is what this Browns team needs, minus a few dickheads
They don't hire him because obj had beef with him, and they rather keep obj happy than hire a good hc🤣
They'd lucked into a coaching combination that worked - so you just *knew* they had to eff it up!
Jimmy had to Put His Stamp on the team. And the only stamp he has on his desk is...
FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cleveland went 42-117-1 in the regular season during the 2010's.
@I am the Senate I know them and the browns are the only teams that didn't make the playoffs atleast once during the 2010's. It ask started in 2010 when they got screwed on a call at home v Detroit.
Ibraheem Rao I’m surprised it’s that good
@I am the Senate
The Browns regularly win the draft, the pre-season, and the "Highest Loss Percentage Of Any Professional Sports Franchise Anywhere" award.
And in Jimmy Haslam's eyes, this is winning.
I kid you not.
@I am the Senate didn't they win a super bowl in 02?
@I am the Senate yes but you have seen a Super bowl victory in your life. As crappy as the Bucs were when they were rocking the Cream Sicle colored jersies, they never went 0-16.
The logic in the part about Baker's height felt like some Alice in Wonderland reasoning to me....
'Yes, the other QBs are short, dear Alice, but they are high in character.'
'So to throw the ball down the field, Baker will need more....character?'
'Yes, but not so much that they will be unable to scramble! That's the key!'
Baker sucks.
@@rking6247 I mean, he doesn't, but okay.
erpmario he does
@@danyheatleyall-star3677literally broke the rookie touchdown passing record. The talent is there.
David's Day Vids And that’s a huge accomplishment but qb’s can’t be judged off of one year Peyton manning broke the rookie int record and now he’s in the hof also in the nfl those accomplishments are meant to be build upon breaking the rookie td record was good but now he’s underperforming with an elite receiving corps and a monster in nick chubb
Trading away Kevin zietler for an aging Olivier Vernon also hurts
Odell
@@MJLEWIS-gg9jn Odell the dancer even when we are losing. This team has no discipline. Nothing but a bunch of showboaters.
It was an excellent trade on paper it just didn't pan out
6:15
That guy behind Drew has a bigger forehead that The Manning’s combined
Ro Bust 🤣🤣🤣
Lol
Just another year in Cleveland. Saw it when they got rid of Williams.
I think you mean 'Failure of the Cleveland Browns: 2019 edition'
Its like madden, a new one every year. Lmao
@@thomasdowsett8368 well somehow in this crazy year they’re making it happen
It started when they let Gregg Williams go.
I said it a year ago. They'd lucked into a coaching combination that worked - so you just **knew** they'd have to screw it up! Haslam's probably wondering when his Participation Trophy is gonna show up in the mail.
Jarvis Family exactly. Baker may have clicked with Freddie Kitchens, but Gregg was the hardnosed, no nonsense coach they needed. Kitchens is an idiot to put it politely.
Same thing with the redskins..we let him go for jim zorn after joe Gibbs left his second stint..we’ve been shit ever since
Truth
"Things will get better". Said by every Browns fan since early 2000's.
Nope...since 1990. They have only had 4 season that were even remotely considered as 'winning' seasons and one of those was a lackluster 9 - 7 (2002). A lousy 4 "good" seasons in over three decades...that's pathetic! Almost as pathetic as the fans who keep buying tickets.
And now they’re going to the divisional round
Yep
You should do a rise of the Cleveland Browns video now
They’re making it work. Baker has got a long way to go and he’s learning. The team is starting to gel. As Stefanski said when he came in “personalities are accepted, but production is required”
Who’s here after the browns are in the playoffs
Short answer: the Haslam's own the team
Jimmy Haslam - driving the Klownn Karr off the cliff for 8 straight seasons - AND COUNTING!!!!
But, let's take a moment to review Jimmy's many and varied accomplishments:
1. He's hired more head coaches during his tenure as Browns owner than most NFL owners hire in 20 years.
2. He's hired more GM's during his tenure as Browns owner than most NFL owners hire in 20 years.
3. He's overseen more losses during his tenure as Browns owner than most NFL owners have in 20 years.
4. AND - he's COMPLETELY CONVINCED the FBI that he really was too clueless to know sh*t about the fuel rebate scam at Pilot/Flying-J! WIN-WIN!!!!
So y'see - ol' Slick, he's accomplished so much. SOOOO MUUUUCH!!!!!!!
Jimmy Haslam - the King of Flail!!!!!
Patrick Neal You all bitched about Art Modell too!
@@horacecomegna335 And not unjustifiably, to be sure!
I think we have a 26% winning percentage since Haslim bought the team. It's around that number. Mull that over for awhile. Disgusting.
@@horacecomegna335 Christ id love to have Modell at this point. Wish I could dig his ass up, he would still be a better owner than Jed Clampitt.
Remember when the people in the nfl said the browns had a better chance to make it to the super bowl
Technically we had a much better chance this year than they did when they went 1-15 and 0-16.
I remember skip bayless and max kellerman is the one responsible hype them up as superbowl contender all offseason🤣
Because on paper they were. Give this roster as-is to New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, or any other tried-and-true winning culture with a decent staff, and they are going to AT LEAST the conference title game.
Yup
I never trusted there o line, Baker Mayfield, and the browns very mediocre defense
1 year later and the browns have finally broken their playoff drought streak
Browns went 14-45-1 in the division during the 2010's which included 16 losses to both Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
1:18 "Lowest point the Browns have ever been at" Haha if a 6-10 season means the worst point ever in Brown's history, I don't think you understand any of the Browns failures.
This is worse because their fans were expecting them to go to the Super Bowl. Like this is the most angry ive ever seen browns fans. Even when they went winless they for the most part were still pretty lighthearted and laughed it off. This was disgusting. No excuse for this team not making the playoffs with such a weak and top heavy AFC
@@JNN- You're joking right, LOWEST POINT doesn't mean what fans think, players think or even what the tooth fairy thinks. You're definition of "Lowest point" does not make any sense as there have been moments in Brown's history where fans were at the brink of burning down the stadium. Like:
John Elway's Drive (1987)
Earnest Byner's Fumble (1988)
Losing to the Broncos in the AFC championship for a third time in a row (1989)
Relocation of the Browns (1995)
Jaguars vs Browns (Bottlegate) (2001)
Plus this level of disappointment has been witness countless times in their history starting with Tim Couch.
Trickster guys there has arguably never been so much scrutiny by the media and NFL fans than this season. They haven’t been touted as SB contender since they became a team again but this year you had numerous pundits having them go all the way. Yet from their supposed savior QB to their super star WR they failed and disappointed in every shape and form. The super star WR you just traded for telling teams to come get me, your star DE hit a rival team’s player with a helmet. So many lows after a season which started more optimistic than ever. This is the lowest point in their history.
@@JNN- First of all, their was no person who actually watched Football who thought that the Browns were going all the way. Even Colin Cowherd said that there was "no way the browns get over .500."
Also their team outlook right now looks amazingly good. They have a great #1 receiver in Jarvis Landry, a star RB in Nick Chubb, a clear pass rusher in Myles Garrett, and great secondary lead by Denzel Ward. With a quality coach who knows how to run an offense without changing it at the last second.
You clearly don't know anything about football and/or Browns history and only know what people told you within the last couple months. The fact that you know nothing of the 1995 Browns where they also had superbowl aspirations coming off an 11-5 season only for them to move to Baltimore all of a sudden. Just @Cole Adams, you have no clear understanding of anything Browns related and will continue to be incorrect with any hot takes you make.
Dude first of all chill. I do know football you’re not the judge of that. Second I said they haven’t been a contender since they became a team again, learn how to read. Multiple sports writer including Max Kellerman saw super bowl contention for them this year. So many were at least positive they would make the playoff since the Steelers would be without Bell and AB so who knew what would happen with them, no one saw the Ravens being this good or Lamar becoming the MVP in his second year, and well the bengals don’t even deserve to be mentioned. The browns were basically a shoe-in to make the playoffs, maybe even contend with the pretty superb display of talent across the board, as you mentioned. I’m pretty sure there was no one sayin Ryan freaking Tanehill would lead the Titans to a playoff spot while Baker would have regress to looking like an annoying and cocky Brandon Weeden. This is an incredible low point in Browns history, one of it not their lowest. You said not the fans, player, or whoever determines what lowest point means and neither does you, it’s an opinion not a fact. So I would suggest not wasting your time with ad-hominem or straw man attacks. This is in MY OPION and the same opinion held by a lot of fans, pundits, and sports you tubers because of the expectations put on this team. They’ve managed to pretty much fail to meet everyone’s expectations, fall in such disarray and disfunction that didn’t even seem possible for them. You trade for a guy who’s supposed to be a top 3 receiver in the league and a few games into the season him and his best bud, your other top receiver, are heard telling other teams to come get them like a bunch of middle schoolers scared after their mom drops them off for a sleep over. A coach who acts like a cringe dad trying to be cool and seems to not know anything about running an modern NFL offense or keeping his players accountable. Then your star DE almost severely injured a guy by swinging his helmet at him, and the coach is then seen wearing a t-shirt mocking the event. It might not be the lowest point in franchise history but hey the entire history of the Cleveland Browns is pretty much all one giant low point.
Plenty of talent, but very undisciplined selfish player’s
Not going to talk about winning 1st game of playoffs of 20 years
You know this was made after the 2019 season right?
Every time he says hey it’s cole, I think he’s saying it’s cold lmao
The Flying Waffle wut
The Flying Waffle I don’t understand anything about your comment but I appreciate it
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I'm not even a Browns fan and I want Haslam to sell the team
I was wondering on your thoughts of USC so far, I’ve been a huge fan for almost a decade now and I was wondering how you feel about them so far
Fire Helton
NateH 45 two words my fellow USC fan. FIRE HELTON
USC should've hired Jack Del Rio last year to be their HC. He's an USC alumni & they've wanted JDR for quite some time. But I guess they're gonna have to wait until after next season because he's the DC now w/ the Redskins. Oh well, there's always Hue Jackson. I think Hue would do better as a college coach than an NFL coach.
Fire helton my dude, from alabama supporter
ML F me too
Mayfield should've used this opportunity to rise up and be a leader
or get traded to a pro team
He should rise up and get outta there. That team is a disaster either way you slice it.
They're adults they wouldn't listen to him
The kitchen doesn't have a good baker. Although the kitchen isn't very good either.
The Bakers fine, he just didn't have the right tools in the kitchen
@@baileymcmanus1816 what is a baker with cheap bullshit ass kitchen lol
Lol
GSW 3011 watch the games he has no time to throw and almost all the pics are on wr
Remember when Cleveland committed turnovers on three consecutive offensive plays against the patriots including a handoff interception.
Ibraheem Rao 2 fumbles and that weird shovel pass trick play haha I laughed hard at that
Everytime theres hype for the Browns, they fall flat.
@Andy Gygi When they made the playoff in 2002, everyone thought they would be good in 2003 and they then finished 5-11. Then, in 2007, they ended the season with a 10-6 record (just missing the playoff). Everyone then predicted they would win the division the next season. The 2008 result was 4-12.
@Andy Gygi If you'd wanna go back to before they left and became the Ravens, they had 3 painful AFC Championship losses in the 80's, even though people were saying they were a lock for the super bowl.
@@KaiVellichor that's why I feel so bad for Browns fans. Despite coming up short so many times in the 90s, that team was still competitive and had they stayed in Cleveland, they would've brought Cleveland at least one Super Bowl. Instead, that heartless bastard Modell ripped that team away from Cleveland and all Cleveland got back was an impostor
Whose here after the browns started 9-3?
I had a lot of hopes for them I guess I failed to realize that the browns will always be the browns
Oh, we could've won a Super Bowl in the 80s if it weren't for YOUR TEAM!!!
CK16 Striker lmfaooo we cursed y’all
Butch Davis still did better then the browns so I can talk shit on them
At least the browns looked slightly better this season. They're better than the Bengals so there's that
clifton james agreed they have improved
This video is going to be really good, I can already tell.
Cole, plesse slow down. I'm out of breath just trying to keep up.
as a ravens fan who was constantly getting battered before the season by other nfl fans who thought the browns were going to top the division and at least make it to the AFC championship, im glad they are quiet. i was the only ravens fan in my friend group who said that the ravens will go 9-7 and win the AFC north division and probably play in the wildcard. well according to my friends, they thought my prediction was deluded. well guess what the ravens team actually did WAY more than i had predicted. my team went 14-2, clinched the division, #1 seed, top 5 offense and defense, lamar exceeded his expectations (before the season i predicted lamar to have 25 TD passes, 2,900 yds, 9 ints, 10 rushing TDs, 1,000 rushing yds, 95.5 passer rating), we continued to use justin tucker when needed and rarely punted, and we beat a handful of the nfl's top teams. the fact my friend group saw this happen made them reconsider their opinion on the ravens season while some would find excuses on why they beat teams like the pats, seahawks, 49ers, texans, and the revenge matchup against the "hype train" browns. again, my initial prediction for this season wasn't to have my ravens make it to the superbowl but the way we've been playing, i at least expect an afc championship appearance where we will likely play against the chiefs and "post-season" version of the patriots. if we actually make the superbowl, i want to win it so my friends who make excuses can actually accept that the ravens are the top team in the nfl (not just regular season) of 2019-20.
It’s the Haslam curse. He’s a blight on every sports entity the touches.
Why the Browns had problems in 2019.
1. Jimmy Haslam
2. Dee Haslam
3. Freddie Kinchens
4. Freddie Kinchens
5. Freddie Kinchens
Baker the brat dont for get he's Johnny Manzeil 2.0
@@mr.cocksure2579 he’s learning to be a good teammate and leader.
Well this hits different in 2020
Report card for the Browns: All F's
This video has aged well...
Gregg Williams managed to somehow have a winning record with the CLEVELAND BROWNS. Thats like finding a four leaf clover
And they let him go for an inexperinced lackey. Who couldnt keep control of the team. The Browns are the most dysfunctional franchise of all time. They will suck forever
It seemed like sports media did nothing but shit on Baker all season and you think he deserves MORE hate? By that logic, you could rename The Herd to Colin Cowherd Hating On Baker For Three Hours.
I will agree Baker was terrible this season but I think the negative attention got to him more than people think. And he felt he needed to keep talking cause everybody else was too. Not excusing his behavior but maybe if every sports media analyst just toned down the hate and stopped talking about him, he might focus on improving his game instead of trying to defend himself.
Yeah Baker kinda got put into a no win situation this season. Freddie Kitchens stopped designing game plans around his strengths and the team's lacking offensive line, and basically left him out to dry. The Rams game was a perfect example of this where when Baker got rid of the ball under 2 seconds after the snap, he was nearly perfect. Anything over that, the Browns couldn't do anything. Freddie kept calling long developing plays that forced Baker to scramble around and force throws. That led to him having to try to fit balls into tight spaces constantly, which led to the metric fuckton of passes bouncing off his receiver's hands and turning into interceptions.
If they had a coach who would've designed plays around his team's strengths and hid their deficiencies and one who would be able to control his players, they could've been great. I don't blame Dorsey too much for this. He picked the guy who unlocked the team's offensive potential last season and he turned out to not be ready. Firing him after this season is just asinine
Yea listen I am no Baker fan, but that whole grandstanding about how he should shut up and play was a bit misplaced at the very least.
@@puddlespuddles5208 yeah definitely. I don't think he did himself a lot of favors with how he leaned into a lot of the stuff, but Baker is a guy who feeds off of negativity and people doubting him. I think his stats from this season are misleading because of the utterly incompetent offensive system he was placed in this year, so all the shit talking he did off the field didn't really get backed up on it
Craig Martin Baker not the only qb who been trash by the fans and media. Brady, the manning brothers and big ben been trash by the media for years yet they all made the media look stupid by winning championships. They ignore the media nor get into arguments on the internet whit any of them. Baker should try that.
puddles puddles I love Baker but he deserves all the shit he gets this dude hasn’t proven shit but he makes fun of Daniel jones for no reason before the kid’s even taken an nfl snap 😂 and I get why baker thinks that way, because Daniel jones is a spoiled rich kid who went to duke and has manning support, while baker has been doubted since high school more than almost any other pro qb. I would expect baker to hate Daniel jones. But he doesn’t need to say it publicly, especially with a lot of pressure on his shoulders going into a big season. And then * flop *, they were terrible and Baker regressed. He still does a cross step on his dropbacks, his mobility is still predicable, ie he hasn’t gotten better. That being said the Cleveland media is a cesspool so I have no problem with him snapping at them, but as far as the narrative that Baker underperformed after talking shit, that’s a legit criticism and he has to be smarter.
You should make an update about this year of the change
It was only fitting that Baltimore put THE FINAL NAIL in the browns coffin.
Do a Video on the resurgence of the Baltimore Ravens.
I truly believe OBJ is one of the most overrated players in the league
Justin Charlton ur high
Agreed marlon Humphrey blocked the shit out of him lmao
OBJ wasn't ready to be a Brown. Being a Brown means he could be held and abused all game with few flags.
Stephen Hopkins it’s not a conspiracy, the refs aren’t out to get you. The browns just suck
Y’all are high he didn’t do amazing but he was alright you can’t judge and hate someone you don’t even know
Dorsey before 2019 season: Nothing will stop the return of the Browns
Ravens: We fly now.
maybe he meant the old Browns
Surprised you didn't mention the Bills when speaking of culture and rules. Speaking of which, would you please make a Bills video on their success under their current GM and coach. Keep up the great videos.
Your bit about Baker was very objective and respectable...
Now there 9-3 the coach they have now will last especially after this year wen they beat the Steelers n the playoffs 😂
Can you predict the future?
"Jimmy Haslam is a good man." That one made me laugh.
"Jimmy Haslam is a good man, and he does a lot of good things..."
Clearly you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Google the Flying J company. See how good of a man Jimmy is.
I don't give a flying F about the flying J
Give me a roster full of good, solid 2nd/3rd round picks who are mature and have a good solid work ethic, rather than one filled with a bunch of 1st rounders who possess freakish talent and genetics, but have the maturity and attitude of someone who is 12 years old!!! Good character counts more than some people realize.
Well, that sleeping giant is still knocked out after what happened this season.
As a browns fan I knew this would happen from the start, I had hope however deep down I knew from past experiences that this would happen. Edit: I’m also from Louisville and I’ve always wanted Lamar to get drafted to the browns because we moved from Cleveland 20 years ago. I don’t like baker mayfield and I’m honestly happy they didn’t draft Lamar because he would not be doing the same things with the ravens
“Possible first international player in the NFL”
Apparently you haven’t heard of Tom Brady?
Mihir Mahajan (Student) did you watch the video? They were speaking about Odel Beckham and said he’s the first international player in the NFL. I highly disagree, and feel like Tom Brady is much more well known worldwide than Beckham.
Talk to any lifelong Univ. of Ala. fan and their response to hearing that Freddie Kitchens was given a head coaching (or any other) position in the NFL will be along the lines of "WTF???" Kitchens was a cheap man's version of Kenny Stabler, terrible QB, alcohol/personality issues, and just plain dumb. It's frankly incomprehensible how he climbed as high as he did.
8:37-8:39 Shots fired at Walmart?
I gotta say this year is finally better. Baker has really calmed down and is playing a lot better
this video aged like milk
Good video, Steeler fan here and browns fans deserve better.
I have a question
What would happen if the browns had a good o line
Seriously it could push them to the playoffs at like 9-7
Rutted Panda no there offense could actually get things going
how have i never heard of you, literally watched a video and a half and i’m subscribed, this content is QUALITY
Writing off a QB after breaking the rookie TD record is a little problematic
People will do that fr
Assuming he is something special after a rookie record is problematic too.
It's a part of life. It's a hell of a lot easier to fail than succeed. Cold hard fact of life. It's like that in the NFL and it's like that everywhere.
6-10 is actually a good season for this Clown Show.
6 and 10 is bad
I need a "The Failure of the New York Jets" video.. ASAP
Now there going to be really good, it’s just what happens when you make failure videos
Wow...
Should’ve never fired Dorsey after he brought in all that talent❗️🤦🏿♂️
At least they used to have basketball
Lol
Its cool if baker falls out we got case Keenum and will probably draft a qb in the 6th but I wanna see baker succeed
The browns are like that sad, old, depressed father, who has this overachieving son in the Ravens, that constantly fail, but occasionally has a ton of hype, but still somehow manages to fall back into obscurity EVERY. SINGLE. FREAKING. TIME.
Man it feels good, telling everyone before the season talent on paper don’t win games.
These aren't the "Browns." This team is a joke foisted on the suckers in CLE by a treacherous cur in the '90s named Art.
Evangeline Vandergeld Cleveland got a fresh start and blew it while Modell won 2 Superbowls.
Bryan Jackson What makes no sense is a fan who refuses to accept why they lost their football team!
I’ve accepted why Baltimore lost our Colts, it was because out local government chose to support other programs in the inner city, in lieu of building a new stadium that had luxury suites. Baltimore instead chose to build a new arena, convention center, science center, and aquarium, instead of building a new arena for the Colts, so we lost our team.
Cleveland, with Mayor White did the EXACT same things in building Jacob’s Field, an arena for the Cavs, and The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame instead of a new stadium for the Brown’s. I’ve already read the newspaper articles, Cleveland made the same mistakes Baltimore did! We took our football teams and owners for granted and thought that fan loyalty and the NFL hierarchy would prevent our two teams from leaving for more profitable pastures.
We were BOTH wrong!
Just be a man and admit that! Sure, Art may have lied to Cleveland, but Robert Irsay lied to Baltimore! They both moved their teams after promising NOT to!
As a Jets fan Greg Williams is the best thing about our team. The reason jets went 7-9 and not worse is because of the play on defense. For as bad as the jets are offensively with Gase running the show I am at least greatful we got williams running our defense. Thank you Cleveland.
HAHAHAH LOOK AT US NOW BITCHES
Still trash?
@@zechshuman4246 Hmmm, yes. The typical trash 9-3 football team. Indeed
Failure can propel people into success. It depends on how you view failure, and what you learn from it.
Ok I’m a browns fan and I can tell u have never watched the browns actually play. A lot of what u said is true but Freddie was the reason we were bad last year. Baker did not have good year but the teams timing was all off and Freddie was not hard on the players. Baker was in a lot of commercials and wasn’t were we need him to be but he has owned up to his mistakes and he still is very young and has a lot of potential
Solid analysis. As a long time Browns fan, I was disappointed this year but didn't have unrealistic expectations going into the season (predicted we'd go 9-7). Although I was upset, there's some bright spots that Browns fans can hang their hat too that isn't being addressed a lot = 1) Had a starting QB for an entire season, something that we haven't had since Tim Couch in '99, 2) 1,000+ yard rusher in Chubb and 3) we beat all of our divisional opponents, although we should've gone 5-1 instead of 3-3. Again, disappointed because of all the talent we have, but still positive. Guess the positive outlook is always in the Browns faithful, "there's always next year!"
That baker take is wild lol
I'm glad someone has the balls to say Baker isn't getting enough hate
Who knows what the Browns could've been this year if he could just learn to put his head down, go to work, and avoid the distraction of responding to Johnny what's-his-face dissing his mom's meatloaf every week
Probably still a mess, but at very least they wouldn't have had a perpetual self-imposed target on their backs
dude, slow down when you talk.
0:41 when someone asks why you got fired
I’m with you on that baker part
You were spot on for 98% of this. Haslam is not any moral fiber character winner. Don't forget his involvement in his corporate scandals, where he skated through the charges. He definitely needs to stay out of the kitchen, too many cooks in there who don't know what they're doing. If they don't hire a real coach with playoffs experience like McCarthy, they're screwed.
“But 2019 was anything but what most expected, especially Browns fans.’
I think you mean EXCEPT for Browns fans.
if it's BROWN, flush it down.
Do a video about the raiders
Yes please!
I said before the season, when people kept trying to tell me how good they were gonna be. “The Browns are still the Browns until further notice.”
You're so wrong on Baker Mayfield 😂😂
He threw 22 TDs and 21 picks he's garbage
The people I feel the most sad for is the fans. It takes a lot to stick with a team that makes shitty choices like the Browns, even the most die hard fans have limits and I really hope it gets better for them at some point.
Your “Baker talks too much and is in too many commercials for my liking” take is so First Take/Colin Cowherd it was unbearable.
You are correct. Like he was making commercials during the season... they are made in the offseason. The Progressive ones were good. Baker is misunderstood. He is all about football. He is not Johnny Manzeil. Yes, he does troll a bit. So what. He just needs better coaching and scheme.
I'm glad you didn't sugarcoat anything in this video you're 100% right I wish KTO dude see this.
Although they may be a failure, they still have fans, GO BROWNS!!!
Greg Williams should have been hired instead of kitchens