We use these to shuttle footage from HyperDecks to iSCSI long term storage. I’ve used the old model for audio recording, it’s really convenient to turn up to a studio, throw in a RAID 1 pair of SSDs, run Pro Tools direct to external storage and walk out with two identical copies.
At our studio we use this for live backups of individual cameras during a broadcast at sports events. Works amazing for selling high quality moments to other studios or using for promotional footage sometimes.
This in not a Consumer product. For those who are aware of Blackmagic and what they have done for the Video Post and Live Production markets, this is for the Prosumer and Professional markets. Price should be less by all means! Under $500.00! This is a welcome Upgrade to the previous Generation Device. Well suited to those of Us who use a Rackmounted Blackmagic SSD Recorder. Our optional Solution is using a Hot Swap SATA Drive BAY device which does not Hot Swap / Hot Plug on 2 Gigabyte x399 Motherboards! USB-C does work! The closest thing to this is the Blackjet Cinema Dock, Thunderbolt 3, Rackmountable. Very handy! Thanks for a great Video!
I wonder if they put any investment into protecting the SATA connectors in the bays. My biggest problem with data dock/planes has been the reliability of the SATA connector themselves.
The switch would make far more sense on the front. Or a front USB port. Like my BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K recording direct to the B port, then flip the switch to A setting so my workstation can directly grab the footage right away. For a $600 device to work with their equipment that would make perfect sense to me.
This video was amazing, while this solution is way over kill for any work I'd be doing, it does give me some ideas for setting up some smaller scale hot swappable drives
I would love something like this that could transfer 10 sd cards at once over usb-c. Would be so nice coming back from a shoot to just dump all the cards at once and leave it.
8:20 lots of companies make sd card to sata interfaces. It would also be pretty simple to make your own (IDE to SATA) multi port adapter with a 3D printer and some electronic parts.
Probably a really simple question, but I am NOT a DIY guy .. I have a similar mount for the Blackmagic unit which I also have, and I also want to mount this under my wooden desk. I have one question, what type of screws did you use to hold the weight? ie: length/type .. I assume Wood screws (I did do some research!)? would really appreciate you letting me know so I can order the right ones to hold this exact unit. thanks and great Video!
@@malisa71 it’s the exact opposite. No matter how “simple” this is, it take a lot of development, testing, etc. If they sale millions they can lower the price and still cover the initial costs of releasing a new product. If they only sale thousands then the price needs to be higher. Most storage solutions are not mass market, they are specialized. So they don’t sale as many and cost more. There are a lot more costs that go into a product like this that you don’t see in a tear down inventory of parts.
@@CodeMonkeX There's also no subscription and you get all the software updates for free. You're not just paying for the hardware, but all the software it comes with. I'm a sysadmin and I'm totally capable of setting up my own setup, but my Synology is just "set it and forget" and it's so nice.
@@CodeMonkeX You have no idea what you are talking about, even more about the build quality and cost. Just from this video alone i saw no special components build it. All were standard grade pieces! Just from the build perspective there is no reason for this kind of cost. And your point about how much they sell / would sell is also wrong. If they would market this is different way, lower the price, more people would be interested into trying to use this. More "casual" people would see benefits to this. Now your average Joe will not even consider this just because of the price, even if he could use this.
In looking at the required SSD solutions for the new 12K I discovered that the Blackmagic Multidock 12G will not work with the required Ssd media for the 12K. That's because the Samsung 983 DCT 1.9TB SSD drives are U.2. The 10G is not a U.2 device so you cannot use it for that. There is a solution for that however it is not supplied by Blackmagic yet. It's the Mercury Herios 3S.
Going through the same issue right now. I have the Samsung 983. Currently looking for a device that will help me get my files from my ursa mini Pro 12 K into my computer looks like I will be going with mercury 3s
Hello, great video. Is the BM multidock speed comparable to the internal Mac SSD HD SPEED? I need a fast external SSD storage for music production that is fast enough. Thank you
Just 2 SSDs can just about max out the read speed of around 900-1000MB/s over a actual USB 3 10gbs port (3 SSDs will definitely saturate the single USB 3 10gbs Port read or write) What you only get 25 MB/s or you getting the 500-550MB/s on reads Also due to these being hot pluggable write caching will be turned off so write speeds likely might be lower then the normal 450-500MB/s (device manager disks and turn off quick removal and enable first tick box for cache, but not the second one, make sure eject before removing the SSD) Not sure why software RAID0 or RAID5 wasn't working in windows (but I wouldn't recommend it any way as this is for quick release as you don't have any way to secure the disks)
SATA specs are Burst mode. However everyone takes them as if they expect that Spec to be achieved as throughput! Not gonna happen! But this Device is all about expediant convenience and connectivity! Anything in RAID should exist in 3 places. Like You said, no way to lock those drives! And then some Users ask about a front panel power switch. Also not a good idea for same reasons You've mentioned!
The free studio license usually only comes with certain cameras, mostly just the pocket cinema line. They don't even give it away with the URSA Broadcast, which really disappointed me since we bought 4 of those cameras a couple years ago.
Do Atomos Caddies fit in it? I couldn’t tell from your B-roll. I too dislike the stack of SSDs that I have to manage for my Ninja Inferno. It’s annoying plugging and unplugging drives looking for my project files.
I watched other reviews of this Multidock and I'm amazed of how no one seems to address the fact that this thing ships with NO CABLES. Maybe it's just me, but damn for $600 at the very least I expect them to include a couple of cables!
Hello my friend just a quick question if you be so kind to answer, I'm trying to stream using the elgato HD 60 Xbox one X through passing through my onyko TX RZ740 also I am using a projector will this be possible to achieve. loving you're work and thanks
Hi@@chefmrb6380, You'll probably only be able to Stream stereo. Your resolution and bit rate sounds more like a frame rate of 29.97. For 1080 i / 59.94, broadcast, expect 8MBs to 10MBs. There will be some flucuating stream overhead pushing 8MBs. Do a test and check it. The elgato software makes streaming very easy. Are You going direct or are You using Streamyard? Have You had any problems? If so, what?
Hi@@chefmrb6380, Absolutely! We can relate! We all had to start from the same place. Some of Us just started earlier. Keep Us posted on Your Test so You can verify. If You monitor audio, keep it in Your ear. Otherwise, echo from delay. The only thing that matters is audio in sync on the stream! Test and verify! On the elgato software, turn off video preview. It really draws CPU processing power away from the Live stream.
I currently have 2 single drive docks and 1 dual drive dock. I was thinking of some sort of multidrive dock to tidy up my desk, here in the UK, but it seems rather expensive for what it does.
@@BuildOrBuy How do you figure it's a better deal? It has half the bays and is only $100 less...? I mean, if media cards are important like he said, then sure, it's a much better appliance... but for max drive storage and flexibility...? You'd kill any savings needing to buy bigger SSDs for only two bays. I really think there's a dropped ball on daisy-chaining, which is a huge plus on the Blackjet, I must admit.
Hi@@tomsanderson3914, We have a Blackjet Cinema Dock. It's amazing. Love it! Even though some Modules We'll probably never use. We're SSDs and SDHC Cards exclusively right now. For Us, more versatile. Yes, that could change. Never say never! Depends upon use and needs. Icy Dock has SSD Racks for Computer Cases whereas We're looking at Rackmount Devices here. Each has its place. And We like options!
Actually, Thunderbolt 3, with/due to it's USB-C Port, is fully compatible with USB, it just defaults to USB speeds and whatnot, when it's used with USB and not Thunderbolt 3.
To be honest to pay that kind of money for a SSD dock I would go for a Drobo, I think they had one model for 4xSSD that also did something like a RAID5 but that accepted disks of different sizes.
Check out the Blackjet UX-1 from Atech Flash Technology. It's Thunderbolt 3 instead of USB 3 over Type-C, but sounds like it's exactly what you're asking for. The two flash media modules on the right side are even interchangeable. www.atechflash.com/blackjet-ux1 www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1387918-REG www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1501616-REG www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1501617-REG Another item of interest for your use case would be industrial USB hubs. These are not only designed to be surface mounted on something like the underside of a desk, but also have ESD shock protection, and mechanical hardening. Many have (optional) screw-in cable latches too. Typical examples would include the Startech ST4300USBM, Tripp-Lite U4604A3CIND, or Tripp-Lite U4602A2CIND. You may need to get your own power brick, but easy enough to get a quality one from somebody like Triad. www.startech.com/en-us/cards-adapters/st4300usbm www.tripplite.com/7-port-industrial-grade-usb-3.1-gen-2-hub-10-gbps-4-usb-a-3-usb-c-15kv-esd-immunity-metal-housing~U4604A3CIND www.tripplite.com/4-port-industrial-grade-usb-3.1-gen-2-hub-10-gbps-2-usb-c-2-usb-a-15kv-esd-immunity-iron-housing~U4602A2CIND
Agreed! Blackjet Cinema Dock is an amazing product! Very versatile and less expensive with more options! Did not know about the other products! Those remind me of Industril DIN Rail mounted Devices. Thanks for sharing!
I’m no expert my any means... but is t this thing limited by the SATA connection? Which is 560 Mb/s. even in stripe... I can’t see the benefits of spending all this money on something that I do with a $10 USB3 SATA adapter. I use a lot of external disks with either USB-C or eSATA.
@@EposVox yes there are separate usb controllers for each disk. Which again goes into one or two usb-c ports in a computer and most people would probably connect them side-by-side and ending up using a single stream from one USB controller. Relax, I’m not criticising YOU or your work. But I am criticising Blackmagics advertising on this product.
Too bad they didn't allow using 2 USB-C ports in one pc as one device... That would be a nice thing to have, so that there would be less overhead and more speed available while using RAID 0 with 4 SSDs...
We use these to shuttle footage from HyperDecks to iSCSI long term storage. I’ve used the old model for audio recording, it’s really convenient to turn up to a studio, throw in a RAID 1 pair of SSDs, run Pro Tools direct to external storage and walk out with two identical copies.
indeed
At our studio we use this for live backups of individual cameras during a broadcast at sports events. Works amazing for selling high quality moments to other studios or using for promotional footage sometimes.
Awesome :D
Thanks I was on the brink of buying but didn’t know if it had quality now I’m buying because of this channel
This in not a Consumer product. For those who are aware of Blackmagic and what they have done for the Video Post and Live Production markets, this is for the Prosumer and Professional markets.
Price should be less by all means! Under $500.00!
This is a welcome Upgrade to the previous Generation Device. Well suited to those of Us who use a Rackmounted Blackmagic SSD Recorder.
Our optional Solution is using a Hot Swap SATA Drive BAY device which does not Hot Swap / Hot Plug on 2 Gigabyte x399 Motherboards! USB-C does work!
The closest thing to this is the Blackjet Cinema Dock, Thunderbolt 3, Rackmountable. Very handy!
Thanks for a great Video!
I'm fairly certain companies can't void warranties over stickers anymore. I think there was a court ruling on it in the last few years.
Correct! Or risk another lawsuit!
Hi, thank you so much for this video! I have a perhaps trivial question: what kind of SSD are suitable for this docking system? Cheers!
2:45 that's a C14 socket. It takes C13 cables.
"USB Number A"
seems legit
I wonder if they put any investment into protecting the SATA connectors in the bays. My biggest problem with data dock/planes has been the reliability of the SATA connector themselves.
Blackmagic SSD Rackmounted recorders have same problem to accommodate thick SSDs, which we don't use!
The switch would make far more sense on the front. Or a front USB port. Like my BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K recording direct to the B port, then flip the switch to A setting so my workstation can directly grab the footage right away. For a $600 device to work with their equipment that would make perfect sense to me.
I guess it helps he had it mounted under his desk, but rip to anyone who has it in a server rack.
As all Blackmagic Rackmount devices...
1. No Front panel On / Of switches. Off is not a function of Go! during a Broadcast!
2. No power cords.
This video was amazing, while this solution is way over kill for any work I'd be doing, it does give me some ideas for setting up some smaller scale hot swappable drives
This video was very informative, and even the comment section was awesome! #subbed
I would love something like this that could transfer 10 sd cards at once over usb-c. Would be so nice coming back from a shoot to just dump all the cards at once and leave it.
Blackmagic has an SSD Duplicator. However, they need Firmware Update, to do what You've described which should have been available from the get go!
8:20 lots of companies make sd card to sata interfaces. It would also be pretty simple to make your own (IDE to SATA) multi port adapter with a 3D printer and some electronic parts.
That's an excellent idea! Let us know when You have a working Unit! How much would You be willing to sell one for?
Probably a really simple question, but I am NOT a DIY guy .. I have a similar mount for the Blackmagic unit which I also have, and I also want to mount this under my wooden desk. I have one question, what type of screws did you use to hold the weight? ie: length/type .. I assume Wood screws (I did do some research!)? would really appreciate you letting me know so I can order the right ones to hold this exact unit. thanks and great Video!
Some serious talk... why storage solutions are still so expensive? eg : Synology (no HDD included) :(
because people do not want to learn to setup own solutions. If less people buy them, they would be forced to reduce price.
@@malisa71 it’s the exact opposite. No matter how “simple” this is, it take a lot of development, testing, etc. If they sale millions they can lower the price and still cover the initial costs of releasing a new product. If they only sale thousands then the price needs to be higher. Most storage solutions are not mass market, they are specialized. So they don’t sale as many and cost more. There are a lot more costs that go into a product like this that you don’t see in a tear down inventory of parts.
@@CodeMonkeX There's also no subscription and you get all the software updates for free. You're not just paying for the hardware, but all the software it comes with.
I'm a sysadmin and I'm totally capable of setting up my own setup, but my Synology is just "set it and forget" and it's so nice.
@@CodeMonkeX You have no idea what you are talking about, even more about the build quality and cost. Just from this video alone i saw no special components build it. All were standard grade pieces! Just from the build perspective there is no reason for this kind of cost. And your point about how much they sell / would sell is also wrong. If they would market this is different way, lower the price, more people would be interested into trying to use this. More "casual" people would see benefits to this. Now your average Joe will not even consider this just because of the price, even if he could use this.
@@GodofGrunts Exactly. That is what i meant by people do not want to learn. It is for the lazy people and people with money.
In looking at the required SSD solutions for the new 12K I discovered that the Blackmagic Multidock 12G will not work with the required Ssd media for the 12K. That's because the Samsung 983 DCT 1.9TB SSD drives are U.2. The 10G is not a U.2 device so you cannot use it for that. There is a solution for that however it is not supplied by Blackmagic yet. It's the Mercury Herios 3S.
OWC... That's an external Thunderbolt 3 box for a PCIe Slot?
Blackjet Cinema Dock is the counterpart to this!
Going through the same issue right now. I have the Samsung 983. Currently looking for a device that will help me get my files from my ursa mini Pro 12 K into my computer looks like I will be going with mercury 3s
Hello, great video. Is the BM multidock speed comparable to the internal Mac SSD HD SPEED? I need a fast external SSD storage for music production that is fast enough. Thank you
Just 2 SSDs can just about max out the read speed of around 900-1000MB/s over a actual USB 3 10gbs port (3 SSDs will definitely saturate the single USB 3 10gbs Port read or write)
What you only get 25 MB/s or you getting the 500-550MB/s on reads
Also due to these being hot pluggable write caching will be turned off so write speeds likely might be lower then the normal 450-500MB/s (device manager disks and turn off quick removal and enable first tick box for cache, but not the second one, make sure eject before removing the SSD)
Not sure why software RAID0 or RAID5 wasn't working in windows (but I wouldn't recommend it any way as this is for quick release as you don't have any way to secure the disks)
SATA specs are Burst mode. However everyone takes them as if they expect that Spec to be achieved as throughput! Not gonna happen!
But this Device is all about expediant convenience and connectivity!
Anything in RAID should exist in 3 places. Like You said, no way to lock those drives! And then some Users ask about a front panel power switch. Also not a good idea for same reasons You've mentioned!
The free studio license usually only comes with certain cameras, mostly just the pocket cinema line. They don't even give it away with the URSA Broadcast, which really disappointed me since we bought 4 of those cameras a couple years ago.
Do Atomos Caddies fit in it? I couldn’t tell from your B-roll.
I too dislike the stack of SSDs that I have to manage for my Ninja Inferno. It’s annoying plugging and unplugging drives looking for my project files.
They do not. I don't use them, I have 3d printed mounts to just slide normal SSDs in
@@EposVox anyway I can get a stl file for that? That is a logical way of doing things.
Penn Elcom have been making audio and IT rack and flying kit for many years and are great.
I watched other reviews of this Multidock and I'm amazed of how no one seems to address the fact that this thing ships with NO CABLES.
Maybe it's just me, but damn for $600 at the very least I expect them to include a couple of cables!
No fan noises = it's worth the money.
Resolve studio only comes with their cinema cameras, I don't think the studio cameras even come with a free license for it.
I hear what You're saying... Things have changed Like! Like he said, It use to come with anything from Blackmagic over $600.00. Bummer!
Something I'd like is a dock like this but for Samsung T5 SSDs.
Hello my friend just a quick question if you be so kind to answer, I'm trying to stream using the elgato HD 60 Xbox one X through passing through my onyko TX RZ740 also I am using a projector will this be possible to achieve. loving you're work and thanks
Sounds like You may need a Decimator MD-HX Converter. What format are You Streaming? Resolution and Frame Rate, exact!?
@@BuildOrBuy Streaming to twitch 1920x1080 - 60 ...bitrate 6000
Hi@@chefmrb6380, You'll probably only be able to Stream stereo.
Your resolution and bit rate sounds more like a frame rate of 29.97. For 1080 i / 59.94, broadcast, expect 8MBs to 10MBs.
There will be some flucuating stream overhead pushing 8MBs. Do a test and check it.
The elgato software makes streaming very easy. Are You going direct or are You using Streamyard?
Have You had any problems? If so, what?
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the reply and help I'm going direct through elgato also using obs
Hi@@chefmrb6380, Absolutely! We can relate! We all had to start from the same place. Some of Us just started earlier. Keep Us posted on Your Test so You can verify. If You monitor audio, keep it in Your ear. Otherwise, echo from delay. The only thing that matters is audio in sync on the stream! Test and verify!
On the elgato software, turn off video preview. It really draws CPU processing power away from the Live stream.
I currently have 2 single drive docks and 1 dual drive dock. I was thinking of some sort of multidrive dock to tidy up my desk, here in the UK, but it seems rather expensive for what it does.
use a hot air blower to remove the sticker for the next time, so you avoid the "void warranty"
the moment you uttered 1u and rackmount added 300 bucks xD
xD
Blackjet Cinema Dock!
Does it make any noise?
No
it is now compatible with the brand new series of hyperdecks
Any noise? Or does it work nice and quiet?
Silent
I love BlackMagic, but some of their stuff is just outrageously expensive for simple solutions. I could justify 300 but 600 is a little steep
Agreed. Right Device, right time, wrong price. Blackjet Cinema Dock is a better deal.
@@BuildOrBuy How do you figure it's a better deal? It has half the bays and is only $100 less...? I mean, if media cards are important like he said, then sure, it's a much better appliance... but for max drive storage and flexibility...? You'd kill any savings needing to buy bigger SSDs for only two bays.
I really think there's a dropped ball on daisy-chaining, which is a huge plus on the Blackjet, I must admit.
Hi@@tomsanderson3914,
We have a Blackjet Cinema Dock. It's amazing. Love it! Even though some Modules We'll probably never use. We're SSDs and SDHC Cards exclusively right now. For Us, more versatile. Yes, that could change. Never say never! Depends upon use and needs.
Icy Dock has SSD Racks for Computer Cases whereas We're looking at Rackmount Devices here. Each has its place. And We like options!
The Blackjet UX-1 Cinema Dock has 2x ssd readers, 2 cfast readers and SD readers. It is thunderbolt 3 tough, not usb.
Actually, Thunderbolt 3, with/due to it's USB-C Port, is fully compatible with USB, it just defaults to USB speeds and whatnot, when it's used with USB and not Thunderbolt 3.
Is that a standard 19 inch rack mount?
Yes
All Blackmagic Rackmounted Devices are standard 19 inch.
To be honest to pay that kind of money for a SSD dock I would go for a Drobo, I think they had one model for 4xSSD that also did something like a RAID5 but that accepted disks of different sizes.
Drobo are nice, but everything they make, even for professional use, is in that stupid desktop box form factor that's impossible to rack.
interesting product i need more hdd ;D
Check out the Blackjet UX-1 from Atech Flash Technology. It's Thunderbolt 3 instead of USB 3 over Type-C, but sounds like it's exactly what you're asking for. The two flash media modules on the right side are even interchangeable.
www.atechflash.com/blackjet-ux1
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1387918-REG
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1501616-REG
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1501617-REG
Another item of interest for your use case would be industrial USB hubs. These are not only designed to be surface mounted on something like the underside of a desk, but also have ESD shock protection, and mechanical hardening. Many have (optional) screw-in cable latches too. Typical examples would include the Startech ST4300USBM, Tripp-Lite U4604A3CIND, or Tripp-Lite U4602A2CIND. You may need to get your own power brick, but easy enough to get a quality one from somebody like Triad.
www.startech.com/en-us/cards-adapters/st4300usbm
www.tripplite.com/7-port-industrial-grade-usb-3.1-gen-2-hub-10-gbps-4-usb-a-3-usb-c-15kv-esd-immunity-metal-housing~U4604A3CIND
www.tripplite.com/4-port-industrial-grade-usb-3.1-gen-2-hub-10-gbps-2-usb-c-2-usb-a-15kv-esd-immunity-iron-housing~U4602A2CIND
Agreed! Blackjet Cinema Dock is an amazing product! Very versatile and less expensive with more options!
Did not know about the other products! Those remind me of Industril DIN Rail mounted Devices. Thanks for sharing!
I’m no expert my any means... but is t this thing limited by the SATA connection? Which is 560 Mb/s. even in stripe... I can’t see the benefits of spending all this money on something that I do with a $10 USB3 SATA adapter. I use a lot of external disks with either USB-C or eSATA.
I mean, I address all this clearly in the video. There's separate sata controllers per ssd so it's not limited to 560 for all 4 drives
@@EposVox yes there are separate usb controllers for each disk. Which again goes into one or two usb-c ports in a computer and most people would probably connect them side-by-side and ending up using a single stream from one USB controller.
Relax, I’m not criticising YOU or your work. But I am criticising Blackmagics advertising on this product.
Yo my highschool has one of the older gen models.
Too bad they didn't allow using 2 USB-C ports in one pc as one device... That would be a nice thing to have, so that there would be less overhead and more speed available while using RAID 0 with 4 SSDs...
I don't see how this can be possible at all.
I mean, that's essentially what the 2x2 split is. if you run both connections to the PC, you'll get double the throughput for raiding
Great idea! However, USB-C technology does not allow aggregation.
Anyone will to try and see what happens?
because video editors see 600$ and go okay.
nope, removing a sticker does NOT void warranties
Very interesting. But $600😳
No Benchmarks????
I'd rather have it with a SAS connection, if anything.
Isnt sata 6gb per sec
Yes, but there's 4 of them. I explained the speed situation pretty clearly
@@EposVox lmao i only watched first 30 seconds before you mentioned anything about raid. Im face palming rn. Your the goat!
Interesanti
No Resolve Studio license is a low blow, bad value product for sure.