After playing the demo a bit (specifically in handheld) I found out that in order to turn left and right you have to rotate the switch like a steering wheel instead of tilting it the intuitive way _frick I really hope they change that in the final game_
@@squiddler7731 Use the right stick for broad movements and the gyro for smaller, finer movements when aiming. Don't bother trying to turn around with the Gyro alone, you won't have a good time. You can also adjust the Gyro sensitivity if you like.
We don't all main the same weapons. But yeah, watching that as a Bow main was kinda painful. But then I'm probably worse with any blademaster weapon besides the IG.
@@Omegaghostpanda he wasn't really playing it wrong, per se. It's just that aiming can take a while to get used to, and he missed a lot of shots with coatings on, which is double wasteful. Also he's playing the bow as classic MH, charging it full before release. I'm not sure which is more optimal in Rise since they changed it again, but in World the go-to move is to tap the fire button to increase the charge since it's quicker, plus you get bonus damage on the first hits before going to power shot. It seems in Rise they minimized punishment when holding the fire button, but I think you still get more damage tapping it. We'll know once we get to test elemental bows in the full game.
A huge but subtle change I noticed in the video is that you can now scroll to a different kind of coating without the last one getting auto-removed the moment you scroll, so you can queue the coatings up much easier (eg: getting a para and instantly switching to sleep without having to scroll to it to get both statuses back to back without the monster having time to break free)! Also nice to see is the return of infinite Close-Range Coatings so that you don't lose a ton of damage on longer quests after you run out of Power Coatings!
i understand infinite is nice, however if world taught anything its that close range coating is kind of trash, youre better off restocking more power coating; and yes in the demo i went in the tent restocking mid mission is going to be a thing, as well as, eating mid mission
@@thunderborn3231 That's the thing, I HATE "restocking" from 5th Gen, it completely goes against what the series has been about, hunting, preparing meticulously for a hunt BEFORE the hunt, then making do with what you have at hand! When you let people have 20+ ancient potions then give them the ability to restock whenever for another 20 for example is just dumb and only gives them the excuse to make monsters hit so hard they nearly one-shot you with chip damage. As for the coating though, CL=20%, Power=50%, CL is better than nothing and helps tons if you can almost finish a hunt with just Power saving you the trouble of restocking.
@@tho_tho it may be 20% but it does shorten your critical shot range and without mindeye/ballistics early on im just not a fan, though meme close range melee speedruns are already popping up; lookin at you team darkside, lastly you may feel restocking is cheap, but nothing NOTHING is cheaper than that damn clutch claw flinch shooting. anything short of an alatreon it takes the fight out of the hunt
@@thunderborn3231 CL just need you to be close so big whoop about critical distance, you are always in it. But I do agree about the Clutch Claw, it's more braindead and cheesy than even mount spamming! On top of that, because you could "soften" parts, it gave them an excuse to give nearly all new monsters shitzones to "encourage" you to use it.
Same as I just love the idea of it like your just not wisshing to spend the stamina on a say gagrass because it want your toes. Plus both bowguns have a mele of some sort. And now ze bow kept it's one.
@@tzera_rhuon but now it have a excape move to do that, the backflip. shure the spread had use but its only you who is losing somthing for the bow had the melee in the moble series world just kind of droped it into just a stomp attack. tbh its kind of matching the pattern for both bowguns have a melee strick and the bow had a extra step for its attack in world. but now we have better use of mounts so you know we gain as we lose.
My brain being austistic just staits at it when I'm not playing already I know it. But also I just love the mutes. But I like how you keep your mutes in mp but I wonder if it's being more suportiveor just there to save yo dying ass. And mount or no... Hum..
One thing I love about the bow (and the other Gunner weapons) is how the reticle lets you know whether you're in or out of range for dealing the most damage possible, not sure if it was already in World but as a player coming from the classic Monster Hunter games, it's a very welcome change.
One thing that excites me is how the melee from the bow uses the coating applied without consuming it, meaning if you keep at least one of each type you can still have all of them through the melee
I hope there will be some arc shots that rain attacks on the enemy instead of buffing. Applying status, deliver KO damage to the head or simply attacking with it shouldn't be underestimated. Also, in GU the bow is a beast to mount monsters with as long as you have a ledge to jump off of. Since you're recoiled back on the ledge when firing in the air, you can just repeat the air shot instantaneously. I could easily mount several times a hunt as long as there were something that made your hunter jump.
So I wasn't the only one who discovered the infinite ledge-shot? Plus people ripped on Aerial Bow in GU as being useless, but it was a really fun style to play with. Absolutely monstrous for mounts.
@@chromagna9755 : I vaguely recall Aerial Bow being laughed at for having the slowest speed-runs of any weapon / style combo besides Prowler. Still, I've played it and it is very satisfying, though so are Aerial LBG and Aerial HBG. Not efficient, but definitely awesome.
Dabbled in bow late game in Iceborne. It was great until Iearned you really have to optimize it. I was stuck in silver Rathalos armor for months and then KT came and I just didn't feel like re-farming bows
Yeah I used bow for the endgame of base MHW, but barely touched it in Iceborne for the same reason as you. Just got tired of Silverlos armor, plus having to re-farm every bow for Xeno'jiiva and then Kulve like a month later (on PC).
Same here. I mained bow in vanilla MHW but switched to hammer in Iceborne. The thought of being locked to a few sets/skills (as usual) and having to farm so much for each element again was enough to make me hang the bow up haha! That’s the biggest drawback with bow IMO. It requires a lot of optimization before it really shines and you’ll have to repeat it multiple times for each element. Other weapons seem to have more freedom with sets and skills and can be effective even with just a few basic skills.
I'M SO EXCITED! It looks like Arrow Types are back! For those who aren't familiar with it, it basically means each charge level does a different type of shot. For example, the level 1 charge could be Rapid (3 arrows), level 2 charge is Pierce (one piercing arrow) and level 3 is Rapid again. Each level makes it do more damage, but you might use a different charge for a different arrow type aka Pierce for Mizu or longer monsters
Best tip for gyro controls. Don't use it for big moves. Use it for the small adjusts it lets you do and it'll up your accuracy with the stick camera IMMENSELY (At least that's how I use it)
Well this new mounting system looks like the definitive version to me. Using one monster to attack another seems more logical than hopping on, doing a few stabs and somehow making it topple. I don't get why people are complaining about it looking like "magic"... I mean the bug itself kinda is cuz how is a tiny bug carring an adult person? but this specific aplication makes total sense so I'm calling it a different thing . Also I like the fact that you can't do it as often as in previous games, makes it more valuable and something to look forward to
the mount system has the potential to give us an Asymmetric pvp mod (1 rider/poacher vs 4 hunters) and with some of the gene mechanics from stories(for Tier2 monsters) + even some crafting(for Tier 1) to change hit zone values, add effects to attacks and so on. This will give a really nice end game activity, early game monster will have the potential to be meaningful and challenging at the end game rendering every single monster as a Tier 3 due to the amount of customization it can be subject to (the weaker the monster is the more you can customize and buff it) and again a functional PvP mod that actually makes sense for the world of monster hunter dont really expect to see this in rise but in world 2 there is potential
Honestly so hyped for the gyro! I played whole MH World on PC with gyro on L2 button on ds4 via steam settings and it is awesome, so yeah, it's really good to see this option on switch)
Oof tbh world bow is really weird to me. I’m used to just charging my bow, dodging attacks, and unleashing arrows when able, but new bow always felt difficult to tell what charge level you were at.
I don't understand how it's harder to tell the charge levels. Wasn't the GU sign for a charge level much more subtle? In world it's pretty obvious but I'm not a bow main, I've just fiddled around with it. If any bow main wants to come school me, feel free lol.
Its wild that despite the dualshock4 supporting gyro, and uses it all the time for VR, no games utilize it for aiming... It takes sending the game to Switch to realize how useful it is thanks to Splatoon. I used gyro on MHW thanks to Steam Input and its a massive improvement over stick aiming
I definitely need to remember to use the herculean draw. 30 hunts definitely isn't enough practice to get all the wirebug tricks down for the weapons I want to try
One thing I honestly can't find anywhere is someone discussing changes to weapons in rise coming from GU. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a fairly large population of players coming straight from gu.
1:50 I was fighting Mizutsune in 13 and did the backflip. He knocked me out of the air and I fell all the way down the mountain. Then I climbed back up and he knocked me down again LOL
I do love the bow :D I really have to get used to the arrows having a way slower (be it more realistic) traveling time than in World, and I didn't even realize the X Silkbind had i-Frames, but I do love it. I am also so glad we got Gyro Aiming. Through Steam, I implemented it into World by myself, and I am glad that I not only won't miss it in Rise, but have it actually built in the game itself!
Hey Gaijin, one thing i realize you didnt mention is that now each bow charge level have different attributes like in the previous games pre world, if you try again the bow in the demo has a pierce lv2 charge and its very noticeable when you fight Mizutsune and shoot at it rapidly while its facing you
I'm very excited about changes to the bow in Rise. Very glad they kept similar World mechanics and improved the arc shot so I can support my friends instead of flinching them. In the demo alone I've done over 50 hunts and each time my friends love the healing buff, so I'm happy to see the other possible buffs! Hoping for a stamina and attack buff, and maybe an elemental one that deals damage to the monster? Guess we'll see : )
One thing I noticed that doesn't have to do with bow at all, but gathering/carving sometimes makes you ride the palamute instead of carving. It's not that big of a deal since you can carve while riding, but still...
Mr. Gaijin Hunter, I know you're not a big fan of motion controls, but there are alot of Splatoon and Splatoon 2 players that are also huge fans of the monster hunter series, that use motion controls, and only prefer it. Many of us are excited to try the ranged weapons because of it. Love your videos. 😊
I'm wondering why no one talks about that shot type per charge level is back again. I noticed that charge level 1 of the bow we are using in the demo fires piercing arrows. While charge level 0 and 2 fires rapid type arrows. I'm stoked to see that return because even though I hunted a lot with the bow in MHW I couldn't shake off the feeling that bows lost a lot of depth without the different shot types. It looks like, to me, that bows in MHRise places itself in the middle of classic and MHW playstyle. I'm optimistic about that and my best guess will be that I'll be maining the bow first and foremost when the game releases.
so shot types per bow are indeed back as I expected from the first weapon previews, kinda sad but at least the weapon keeps the new moves from world AND the double power shot from XX, too good
Instead of using gyro you can buy this usb thing from gamestop or Amazon that lets you use a ps4 controller so you don't have to use the pos joysticks on pro controller or joycons, the switch up cost $30 rather than $20 but allows ps4/5 controller during handheld mode or on switch light, I've been playing this demo and gu with it and it works great no input delay
11:30 I like the monster riding a lot. And what I like most about it is that you pretty much can only do it once per fight, so you cant just cheese fights like with clutch claw.
My biggest issue with the new mount system is do your teammates hitting the monster while you're riding it hamper, or help? That was a huge issue my group had in MHW was, you'd get on the monster, and someone would be doing a big attack, and then the monster would flinch, and you would just lose the mount. I think it was one of the earlier games (generations?) where allies actually contributed to the mount if they hit the monster while you were on it, I really hope they at least prevent it from being a hindrance to your team... otherwise i don't see puppet mode being that useful, especially because.. now you've brought in another big monster, and the damage you delt doesn't really feel like it was worth the extra hassle of dealing with 2 monsters at once now
They changed the barrage move (when you charge your arrow and press A), instead of doing a shitty aoe now it creates a healing zone which put a heal over time buff on allies who go through it, I tried it on multiplayer and its kinda awesome to be able to heal teamates on demand
I felt the same. It feels like the arrows take forever to reach their target. The damage numbers also felt low, but Bow has always been a very skill-heavy weapon; once we get Bow Charge Up and the like the numbers may feel better.
It's worth noting that, while you are mounting arzuros, his strong attack can be chained. If you miss the first hit, keep hitting that strong attack button, and he will keep attacking.
@derp derpin i dont knkw how you can feel like this. If you just use it for some time it is 1000x better than the dual stick scheme. its the closest to mouse pointing on console without using something like the wii remote.
so far I'm getting used to the bow in GU but I've only just fought tetsucabra. unless the monster is immobilised, I don't bother trying to aim, I just charge a shot, point my character at the monster and release and move.
@derp derpin thumb stick is honestly probably the most you could gimp yourself in aiming games besides a d-pad. Obviously mouse is the best way to aim. But gyro when implemented well has so much more range of motion. If pvp games had responsive gyro and joystick options I believe a skilled gyro player would win over an equally skilled thumbstick player. If you don't believe me watch this video. ua-cam.com/video/binPB4YbWmM/v-deo.html Not saying you have to love gyro aiming. if you would rather stick to joysticks. That's fine. It takes time to get used to and its not a comfortable way to play for everyone.
Somebody may have said something, or you may have found it out by now, but in these videos I noticed that you weren't using the Arzuros strong attack very effectively. I noticed you can mash the A button to do his powerful swipes up to 3 times before doing an emergency evade to get another attack in quicker than letting the animations stop.
I'm kinda glad that they tweaked the Arzuros so that you actually feel like it's a terrifying giant blue bear charging at you at full power, rather than one that would hit about as hard as its plushy version. Made no sense for it to be both slow as molasses AND hit like a wet noodle like in previous games. Still a pretty easy fight overall, but now you actually have to respect its range, haha!
I'm shocked to see so many people enjoying the bows arc shot changes. My entire playstyle with bow before in world was KOing the monster with the arc shot between my bursts.
Isn't the classic bow style back?? I though it went rapid lvl2, pierce lvl2 and rapid lvl3. I'm not sure about the lvls but the charge 2 shot is a single arrow that pierces! So I really hope we have that mechanic back :D thx for the video!
I started playing the Bow a lot with MHW but I feel like with all the trigger combos you need for the bow you can trip over your own fingers so much and it takes time to get used to. Also regular dodge is B but wirebug dodge is R+X...
I kind of wish we had both generations mounting and Rises new system, I love both but the new system is far better for my friends coming to the series.
That's just inefficient tbh. It's better that they stuck to the improved version they worked hard on. It's easy to mount and GU's mounting doesn't compare. Do you say that just because you're more used to it and prefer it?
@@gothxm Having played more since my comment I realised all aerial damaged is treated as adding to the chance of a mountable state not just wirebug moves. So as much as I miss stabbing the hell out of a monster whilst clinging on, the abiliy to simply crash it straight into the wall is great for a quicker hunt. So the rise system has grown on me.
@@JasonSilverain aw man thats great to hear. Glad you're having fun with it. Any weapons you like more because of the wirebugs? I swear I feel like I can pick up any weapon since world. Just got GU and it's so hard to play my go to weapons because they don't have what I like about them in GU.
@@JasonSilverain like just imagining Brave Longsword with sheathing attacks from world and stuff like that the spirit thrust, foresight slash and spirit helm breaker is enough to make me main something else like greatsword since I didn't try it until recently in world. Didn't feel like Ive lost anything.
As a bow main in world, having a melee attack where the button for power/spread was in World is going to mess me up... but I think once I'm used to it, I'll still enjoy bow in Rise... I suppose it depends on if we go back to having different shot types and how much Arc shot ends up mattering. I think I'll be playing it less than in World. The changes to the other weapons make them more interesting, and bow is looking a little more lackluster by comparison to me.
I am in love with this game already and we only got the demo this game is amazing!! I was hooked the moment I started playing the demo.. too bad its not play as much as you want until the game comes out but only thirty play throughs. Don't know why they do the whole limit play thing with demos, its not like we can do much other than what they have given us
I had to reverse my controls to make bow work with my muscle memory. It's very hard to unlearn adept style and incorporate wire bug style. But it's fun.
The mounting is a real great change compared to Worlds Clutch Claw Spam, even though it doesn't seem that good with just a single Monster. Still I'm looking foraward on chaining mounts on 2 or 3 different Monsters a go ham :D As a little side note, who thinks that there will be some kind of special event quest, where you permanently control a goldcrown Monster and fight another gold crown Kaiju style?
I'm so shocked to say this but why is melee bow shockingly good? It works with close range coating and power coating(don't know about the others), Herculean Draw boosts it and I was hitting upwards of 54 damage to Mizu in the head with no sharpness to worry about, it's fast, you can dodge out and fire at range whenever you want and you have a free heal that is very strong in the demo. Hunting Horn was the other weapon that made Mizu feel super easy for me but Bow was about the same, I barely even got touched with how mobile it is and the fact you can just go ranged during phases where you can't get in and I actually got so many KOs and cut it's tail off with the greatest of ease. I thought it was a meme when I saw a video on it but low key, melee bow is a thing you can totally do effectively lol.
I used bow a lot in MHW and of the 5 weapon types I tried in the demo this one threw me for a loop the most. Gonna take some time to get used to the changes.
My last monster hunter game was GU where I mained the bow (valor style ofc). About a week ago I saw Arekkz' World tutorial on the bow, and in the MHR demo I have primarily played around with the bow. Do you mind sharing what changes you feel with the weapon, aside from the change to arc shots of course?
the hbg counter counts as mounting damage. from what i remember they said silkbind move damage would trigger wyvrrn riding. so far both sb moves for the bow do nothing for this as far as i know. we'll see with the future sb moves
I'm guessing since they went with the world redesign for the Bow that pierce bows are still no longer a thing as it's specifically tied to dragon piercer. I miss having different bow types and pierce bow was my favorite. Big sed.
Indeed, while gyroscopic motion control is amazing to have, having it active _all the time_ (such as with Mario Kart Wii or 8) is literally, physically exhausting. It is usually much more convenient for a game to have a specific "aiming mode" with motion controls enabled (Breath of the Wild, Star Fox Zero, etc.).
XD this is strangely funny like you slide with the mutes claws dug in and slide. Tbh that sounds like a new fun thing to do. Is race the mutes around a map
@@UkazutoX like just thinking about that stupid fun makes me wish i had more friends with a switch :P and FUCK i hate how its 3 months away. its preordered and all but ug. i hate that time frame.
@@lechking941 Lol I know that feel, this game's seems like it's have a bunch of fun weird games to make up too with monster fight shenanigans and I just can't wait
bomb damage still ticks a lot slower so its probably better to explode the bomb without hitting the monster. (except GS charge ofc its heavier and probably other heavy weps) tho i did not notice any x2 damage input.
I don't get why Capcom made the gyro controls inverted from the R Stick camera control setting. I like inverted vertical (forward looks down) but then the gyro goes up if inclined forward, and vice-versa. They need to put an option for inverting control for the gyro only.
The ZR and ZL controlls are the worst thing when you play with the joycons. And i would love that the the mh rise bow were more like old gen charging gameplay i just miss this gameplay
Man, since I haven't played bow that much in World, I kinda had to do the transition from Generation Ultimate to Rise... And I went against Mizutsune XD. It was horrible and considering I was streaming in the mean time, makes my gameplay only worse >
good question , need to take the demo again but, if you want to be sure, check the amount of damage . If the numbers are in a blue background, it counts ;)
Nice video! One question though, I played the demo and is this because of the rapid fire type or does that bow "feel" kind of iffy. I mean the hitting feedback doesn't feel the same as in mh xx, freedom unite and tri (those I played) What do you think?
I've found that if you take the time to collect the spirit birds for stamina, bow isnt as bad as bow users make it seem. I recently started bow in mhgu but I always run mega dash juice. For some reason this bow destroys stamina, so I'm looking forward to when I can use those in the real game
I also had some barrels out during the izuchi fight, and they wouldn't blow up when the monster hit them, ended up having to time it with barrell bombs.
I actually was kind of unimpressed with bow. I wish it had something like lbg where I could vault the monster. I'm sure this game will have more moves on launch though.
I have a BIG problem with the bow using type 2 weapon controls: I feel much better using type 2 with bowguns since they're more similar to previous mh controls BUT the bow type 2 Is so messed up with aiming with R, firing with X and not being able to actually move the right stick to aim... The controls in generations were just fine, while these don't make much sense... I hope they fix them somehow because I love type 2 for all the other weapons.
Gyro aiming
_god bless_
*after years of being a massive fan of both splatoon and monster hunter my time has come at last*
😊😊😊
Yeah Light Bowgun with gyro is deadly (plus all the new movement options). I fkn love it
After playing the demo a bit (specifically in handheld) I found out that in order to turn left and right you have to rotate the switch like a steering wheel instead of tilting it the intuitive way
_frick I really hope they change that in the final game_
@@squiddler7731 Hunting is real
@@squiddler7731 Use the right stick for broad movements and the gyro for smaller, finer movements when aiming. Don't bother trying to turn around with the Gyro alone, you won't have a good time. You can also adjust the Gyro sensitivity if you like.
Jesus christ Gaijin. I thought you said you were doing impressions over the next few DAYS. Not the next few hours lol, glad you're enjoying it so much
Next few minutes.*
He said it was an early access version, he recorded those ahea of time but wasn't allowed to released them until capcom said so.
STOP with the Blasphemy!!!
@@Kushala16 ?
He's got money to make lmao
Me after every video: "That's it, I'm a [weapon in video] main!"
same.
Same, I'm also gonna Main Arsuros
Legit me with Hunting Horn
The great thing about MH is you can play them all
@@ajakks6551 bro the HH so sweet. I deleted all 4 monsters in demo with HH so quick lol
splatoon players: its our time
Literally me
@@squiddler7731 same here lmao
Facts lmao
I never liked bowguns but I tried them with gyro and it just might be my new main lol
My 1,070 hours of splatoon will make me the best bowgunner of all time.
I was dubious when he said he was not good at the bow, but he really was not kidding lmao
We don't all main the same weapons. But yeah, watching that as a Bow main was kinda painful. But then I'm probably worse with any blademaster weapon besides the IG.
@@SotiCoto I maybe a jack fo trades but I know the feeling.
I just played bow for the first time... I did much worse than this :(
So I'm curious as to what he was doing wrong? Its been awhile but did i miss something?
@@Omegaghostpanda he wasn't really playing it wrong, per se. It's just that aiming can take a while to get used to, and he missed a lot of shots with coatings on, which is double wasteful. Also he's playing the bow as classic MH, charging it full before release. I'm not sure which is more optimal in Rise since they changed it again, but in World the go-to move is to tap the fire button to increase the charge since it's quicker, plus you get bonus damage on the first hits before going to power shot. It seems in Rise they minimized punishment when holding the fire button, but I think you still get more damage tapping it. We'll know once we get to test elemental bows in the full game.
GOD BLESS CAPCOM FOR GYRO AIMING
It's just preference
@derp derpin Different game entirely but Splatoon 2 its better to use gyro aim over the control stick aim. Could be better for this also potentially
@derp derpin That's one way to prove that you've never used gyro aim
God isn't real
@derp derpin preference. Personally I *hate* gyro aiming, but some people like it.
A huge but subtle change I noticed in the video is that you can now scroll to a different kind of coating without the last one getting auto-removed the moment you scroll, so you can queue the coatings up much easier (eg: getting a para and instantly switching to sleep without having to scroll to it to get both statuses back to back without the monster having time to break free)! Also nice to see is the return of infinite Close-Range Coatings so that you don't lose a ton of damage on longer quests after you run out of Power Coatings!
i understand infinite is nice, however if world taught anything its that close range coating is kind of trash, youre better off restocking more power coating; and yes in the demo i went in the tent restocking mid mission is going to be a thing, as well as, eating mid mission
@@thunderborn3231 That's the thing, I HATE "restocking" from 5th Gen, it completely goes against what the series has been about, hunting, preparing meticulously for a hunt BEFORE the hunt, then making do with what you have at hand! When you let people have 20+ ancient potions then give them the ability to restock whenever for another 20 for example is just dumb and only gives them the excuse to make monsters hit so hard they nearly one-shot you with chip damage. As for the coating though, CL=20%, Power=50%, CL is better than nothing and helps tons if you can almost finish a hunt with just Power saving you the trouble of restocking.
@@tho_tho it may be 20% but it does shorten your critical shot range and without mindeye/ballistics early on im just not a fan, though meme close range melee speedruns are already popping up; lookin at you team darkside, lastly you may feel restocking is cheap, but nothing NOTHING is cheaper than that damn clutch claw flinch shooting. anything short of an alatreon it takes the fight out of the hunt
@@thunderborn3231 CL just need you to be close so big whoop about critical distance, you are always in it. But I do agree about the Clutch Claw, it's more braindead and cheesy than even mount spamming! On top of that, because you could "soften" parts, it gave them an excuse to give nearly all new monsters shitzones to "encourage" you to use it.
@@tho_tho apparently there is a 'mudtoad' that applies water blight to monsters in rise, and it fucking applies the softened parts effect
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YESSS GYROSCOPE
It’s okay that you can’t talk and play, I would still come to the streams and support! Hope you decide to try it one day :))
I am so relieved to see the bow's melee attack coming back. It's such a fun little flourish!!
Thank you for the Hype Gaijin!!
it adds personality i think just attacking with the massive arrow seems fun
Same as I just love the idea of it like your just not wisshing to spend the stamina on a say gagrass because it want your toes. Plus both bowguns have a mele of some sort. And now ze bow kept it's one.
The problem is the bow lost the quick spread shot that helped regen your stamina.
@@tzera_rhuon but now it have a excape move to do that, the backflip. shure the spread had use but its only you who is losing somthing for the bow had the melee in the moble series world just kind of droped it into just a stomp attack. tbh its kind of matching the pattern for both bowguns have a melee strick and the bow had a extra step for its attack in world. but now we have better use of mounts so you know we gain as we lose.
@@tzera_rhuon yeah, that's a big loss in stamina management. I wonder if we'll get other silkbind skills to help with stamina
The way your palamute's tail twirls around as it runs is kind of cute haha
My brain being austistic just staits at it when I'm not playing already I know it. But also I just love the mutes.
But I like how you keep your mutes in mp but I wonder if it's being more suportiveor just there to save yo dying ass. And mount or no... Hum..
I wanted to try the bow in MHGU, but I suck at aiming. _God bless the gyro_
*My Splatoon skills will be put on use*
Gaijin being humble about not being good at the bow and going "Ughhh~” is so funny hahaha
One thing I love about the bow (and the other Gunner weapons) is how the reticle lets you know whether you're in or out of range for dealing the most damage possible, not sure if it was already in World but as a player coming from the classic Monster Hunter games, it's a very welcome change.
One thing that excites me is how the melee from the bow uses the coating applied without consuming it, meaning if you keep at least one of each type you can still have all of them through the melee
I think it consume on hit still.
@@lechking941 It doesn't from what I've been playing of the demo
Time for melee only bow meme runs.
I hope there will be some arc shots that rain attacks on the enemy instead of buffing. Applying status, deliver KO damage to the head or simply attacking with it shouldn't be underestimated.
Also, in GU the bow is a beast to mount monsters with as long as you have a ledge to jump off of. Since you're recoiled back on the ledge when firing in the air, you can just repeat the air shot instantaneously. I could easily mount several times a hunt as long as there were something that made your hunter jump.
So I wasn't the only one who discovered the infinite ledge-shot? Plus people ripped on Aerial Bow in GU as being useless, but it was a really fun style to play with. Absolutely monstrous for mounts.
@@SotiCoto I don't remember people calling it useless but adept and valour just really outshined it in comparison
@@chromagna9755 : I vaguely recall Aerial Bow being laughed at for having the slowest speed-runs of any weapon / style combo besides Prowler. Still, I've played it and it is very satisfying, though so are Aerial LBG and Aerial HBG. Not efficient, but definitely awesome.
Dabbled in bow late game in Iceborne. It was great until Iearned you really have to optimize it. I was stuck in silver Rathalos armor for months and then KT came and I just didn't feel like re-farming bows
Yeah I used bow for the endgame of base MHW, but barely touched it in Iceborne for the same reason as you. Just got tired of Silverlos armor, plus having to re-farm every bow for Xeno'jiiva and then Kulve like a month later (on PC).
Same here. I mained bow in vanilla MHW but switched to hammer in Iceborne. The thought of being locked to a few sets/skills (as usual) and having to farm so much for each element again was enough to make me hang the bow up haha! That’s the biggest drawback with bow IMO. It requires a lot of optimization before it really shines and you’ll have to repeat it multiple times for each element. Other weapons seem to have more freedom with sets and skills and can be effective even with just a few basic skills.
Remember when Bow users only needed Focus and everything else was just a bonus? As much as I loved bow in Iceborne, I kinda miss the old bow.
@@Longshanks126 what do you mean by optimizing and re-farming for every bow? I don't understand.
I'M SO EXCITED! It looks like Arrow Types are back! For those who aren't familiar with it, it basically means each charge level does a different type of shot. For example, the level 1 charge could be Rapid (3 arrows), level 2 charge is Pierce (one piercing arrow) and level 3 is Rapid again. Each level makes it do more damage, but you might use a different charge for a different arrow type aka Pierce for Mizu or longer monsters
Best tip for gyro controls.
Don't use it for big moves. Use it for the small adjusts it lets you do and it'll up your accuracy with the stick camera IMMENSELY
(At least that's how I use it)
This is exactly how I would use it.
Every time I see a weapon I say to myself.
"Wow looks like I'm going to be using "____" more"
Looks like you'll just have to play more, huh? Well, that's not exactly shame, then, eh?
Tru Tru
Yea im literally maining all weapons lmao
H9
I love they kept bow melee because that was my favorite playstyle. Close and mid range
Imagine, you mounting one monster, your friend mounting another, and you have a battle!!!
Monster Hunter Stories with extra steps lol
@@hilmanic28 lul
Well this new mounting system looks like the definitive version to me. Using one monster to attack another seems more logical than hopping on, doing a few stabs and somehow making it topple. I don't get why people are complaining about it looking like "magic"... I mean the bug itself kinda is cuz how is a tiny bug carring an adult person? but this specific aplication makes total sense so I'm calling it a different thing . Also I like the fact that you can't do it as often as in previous games, makes it more valuable and something to look forward to
looks at normal gyro setting...
Hunter: why do I hear splatoon music
the mount system has the potential to give us an Asymmetric pvp mod (1 rider/poacher vs 4 hunters) and with some of the gene mechanics from stories(for Tier2 monsters) + even some crafting(for Tier 1) to change hit zone values, add effects to attacks and so on. This will give a really nice end game activity, early game monster will have the potential to be meaningful and challenging at the end game
rendering every single monster as a Tier 3 due to the amount of customization it can be subject to (the weaker the monster is the more you can customize and buff it) and again a functional PvP mod that actually makes sense for the world of monster hunter
dont really expect to see this in rise but in world 2 there is potential
Honestly so hyped for the gyro!
I played whole MH World on PC with gyro on L2 button on ds4 via steam settings and it is awesome,
so yeah, it's really good to see this option on switch)
Oof tbh world bow is really weird to me. I’m used to just charging my bow, dodging attacks, and unleashing arrows when able, but new bow always felt difficult to tell what charge level you were at.
I don't understand how it's harder to tell the charge levels. Wasn't the GU sign for a charge level much more subtle? In world it's pretty obvious but I'm not a bow main, I've just fiddled around with it. If any bow main wants to come school me, feel free lol.
Its wild that despite the dualshock4 supporting gyro, and uses it all the time for VR, no games utilize it for aiming... It takes sending the game to Switch to realize how useful it is thanks to Splatoon.
I used gyro on MHW thanks to Steam Input and its a massive improvement over stick aiming
It's also because Switch users like to ask for gyro in shooting games too.
@@Trenell83 yeh its thanks to Splatoon on Wii U, helped break the misconception that 'motion controls = bad'
I definitely need to remember to use the herculean draw. 30 hunts definitely isn't enough practice to get all the wirebug tricks down for the weapons I want to try
One thing I honestly can't find anywhere is someone discussing changes to weapons in rise coming from GU. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a fairly large population of players coming straight from gu.
1:50 I was fighting Mizutsune in 13 and did the backflip. He knocked me out of the air and I fell all the way down the mountain. Then I climbed back up and he knocked me down again LOL
...i mean was it smart to do a backflip facing away from a waterfall to begin with XD?
I guess I didn't realize it was there :P
Also, there's a great wirebug, so climbing was stupid too
You can do the charging sidestep from the melee attack!!
I do love the bow :D I really have to get used to the arrows having a way slower (be it more realistic) traveling time than in World, and I didn't even realize the X Silkbind had i-Frames, but I do love it. I am also so glad we got Gyro Aiming. Through Steam, I implemented it into World by myself, and I am glad that I not only won't miss it in Rise, but have it actually built in the game itself!
I love the world-like fluidity of the game but with the kinda frontier/MHO esque art style
Hey Gaijin, one thing i realize you didnt mention is that now each bow charge level have different attributes like in the previous games pre world, if you try again the bow in the demo has a pierce lv2 charge and its very noticeable when you fight Mizutsune and shoot at it rapidly while its facing you
I'm very excited about changes to the bow in Rise. Very glad they kept similar World mechanics and improved the arc shot so I can support my friends instead of flinching them. In the demo alone I've done over 50 hunts and each time my friends love the healing buff, so I'm happy to see the other possible buffs! Hoping for a stamina and attack buff, and maybe an elemental one that deals damage to the monster? Guess we'll see : )
One thing I noticed that doesn't have to do with bow at all, but gathering/carving sometimes makes you ride the palamute instead of carving. It's not that big of a deal since you can carve while riding, but still...
Mr. Gaijin Hunter, I know you're not a big fan of motion controls, but there are alot of Splatoon and Splatoon 2 players that are also huge fans of the monster hunter series, that use motion controls, and only prefer it. Many of us are excited to try the ranged weapons because of it. Love your videos. 😊
Time to try the gyro :)
Something point, the targeting system is needed to do bow hunting
I'm wondering why no one talks about that shot type per charge level is back again. I noticed that charge level 1 of the bow we are using in the demo fires piercing arrows. While charge level 0 and 2 fires rapid type arrows. I'm stoked to see that return because even though I hunted a lot with the bow in MHW I couldn't shake off the feeling that bows lost a lot of depth without the different shot types.
It looks like, to me, that bows in MHRise places itself in the middle of classic and MHW playstyle.
I'm optimistic about that and my best guess will be that I'll be maining the bow first and foremost when the game releases.
so shot types per bow are indeed back as I expected from the first weapon previews, kinda sad but at least the weapon keeps the new moves from world AND the double power shot from XX, too good
And the melee is back to so we have compramises.
Just knowing there's a weapon controls menu is a big help, thanks!!
Instead of using gyro you can buy this usb thing from gamestop or Amazon that lets you use a ps4 controller so you don't have to use the pos joysticks on pro controller or joycons, the switch up cost $30 rather than $20 but allows ps4/5 controller during handheld mode or on switch light, I've been playing this demo and gu with it and it works great no input delay
11:30 I like the monster riding a lot. And what I like most about it is that you pretty much can only do it once per fight, so you cant just cheese fights like with clutch claw.
My biggest issue with the new mount system is
do your teammates hitting the monster while you're riding it hamper, or help?
That was a huge issue my group had in MHW was, you'd get on the monster, and someone would be doing a big attack, and then the monster would flinch, and you would just lose the mount.
I think it was one of the earlier games (generations?) where allies actually contributed to the mount if they hit the monster while you were on it, I really hope they at least prevent it from being a hindrance to your team... otherwise i don't see puppet mode being that useful, especially because.. now you've brought in another big monster, and the damage you delt doesn't really feel like it was worth the extra hassle of dealing with 2 monsters at once now
They changed the barrage move (when you charge your arrow and press A), instead of doing a shitty aoe now it creates a healing zone which put a heal over time buff on allies who go through it, I tried it on multiplayer and its kinda awesome to be able to heal teamates on demand
Something about the bow wasn't clicking for me in this demo, felt awkward despite it being basically the same as from World. :/
I felt the same. It feels like the arrows take forever to reach their target. The damage numbers also felt low, but Bow has always been a very skill-heavy weapon; once we get Bow Charge Up and the like the numbers may feel better.
Now that I think about it, this is also probably LR damage numbers. The numbers still felt low compared to other weapons I used.
I really miss the explosions of critical hits it made it look like the bow had power behind it
Myself never used bow before
*Sees armor and weapon of character*
Well it looks like Ima be a bow main for this demo now :D
Watching this months after release, and I just learned about the lunging strike.
It's worth noting that, while you are mounting arzuros, his strong attack can be chained. If you miss the first hit, keep hitting that strong attack button, and he will keep attacking.
If you jump off the palamute and do the melee attack when dismounting you can get a charge and can dance off of it.
Hopefully the Melee Arrow Swipe applies coating without expending it like it did in 4U.
Heres to hoping gyro helps a whole lot, i stopped using bow in GU because of hiw wonky it was to aim
I feel you
@derp derpin for me, breath of the wild was real cool to use gyro aiming tho so yeah
@derp derpin i dont knkw how you can feel like this. If you just use it for some time it is 1000x better than the dual stick scheme. its the closest to mouse pointing on console without using something like the wii remote.
so far I'm getting used to the bow in GU but I've only just fought tetsucabra. unless the monster is immobilised, I don't bother trying to aim, I just charge a shot, point my character at the monster and release and move.
@derp derpin thumb stick is honestly probably the most you could gimp yourself in aiming games besides a d-pad. Obviously mouse is the best way to aim. But gyro when implemented well has so much more range of motion. If pvp games had responsive gyro and joystick options I believe a skilled gyro player would win over an equally skilled thumbstick player. If you don't believe me watch this video. ua-cam.com/video/binPB4YbWmM/v-deo.html
Not saying you have to love gyro aiming. if you would rather stick to joysticks. That's fine. It takes time to get used to and its not a comfortable way to play for everyone.
Somebody may have said something, or you may have found it out by now, but in these videos I noticed that you weren't using the Arzuros strong attack very effectively. I noticed you can mash the A button to do his powerful swipes up to 3 times before doing an emergency evade to get another attack in quicker than letting the animations stop.
imagine mounting builds... I didn't see this feature in any trailer now I'm kinda hyped lol
Just as a tip you dont HAVE to do aerial attacks to activate the wyvern riding. Silkbind moves also do it.
And if you mount azuros you can do multiple sweeps with the strong attack
I'm kinda glad that they tweaked the Arzuros so that you actually feel like it's a terrifying giant blue bear charging at you at full power, rather than one that would hit about as hard as its plushy version.
Made no sense for it to be both slow as molasses AND hit like a wet noodle like in previous games. Still a pretty easy fight overall, but now you actually have to respect its range, haha!
4:00 it that a COUNTRY ACCENT!
I've been playing so much Valorant I automatically heard "FIAR IN THI HOLE!"
I'm shocked to see so many people enjoying the bows arc shot changes. My entire playstyle with bow before in world was KOing the monster with the arc shot between my bursts.
Im so glad Gaijin is hyped for this, I cant wait for your countless tutorials and farming tips.
Isn't the classic bow style back??
I though it went rapid lvl2, pierce lvl2 and rapid lvl3.
I'm not sure about the lvls but the charge 2 shot is a single arrow that pierces! So I really hope we have that mechanic back :D thx for the video!
I started playing the Bow a lot with MHW but I feel like with all the trigger combos you need for the bow you can trip over your own fingers so much and it takes time to get used to. Also regular dodge is B but wirebug dodge is R+X...
I kind of wish we had both generations mounting and Rises new system, I love both but the new system is far better for my friends coming to the series.
That's just inefficient tbh. It's better that they stuck to the improved version they worked hard on. It's easy to mount and GU's mounting doesn't compare. Do you say that just because you're more used to it and prefer it?
@@gothxm Having played more since my comment I realised all aerial damaged is treated as adding to the chance of a mountable state not just wirebug moves. So as much as I miss stabbing the hell out of a monster whilst clinging on, the abiliy to simply crash it straight into the wall is great for a quicker hunt.
So the rise system has grown on me.
@@JasonSilverain aw man thats great to hear. Glad you're having fun with it. Any weapons you like more because of the wirebugs? I swear I feel like I can pick up any weapon since world. Just got GU and it's so hard to play my go to weapons because they don't have what I like about them in GU.
@@JasonSilverain like just imagining Brave Longsword with sheathing attacks from world and stuff like that the spirit thrust, foresight slash and spirit helm breaker is enough to make me main something else like greatsword since I didn't try it until recently in world. Didn't feel like Ive lost anything.
That healing arc shot is NUTS!
Yay, I can still do dragonpiercer cheese build!
Brother!
As a bow main in world, having a melee attack where the button for power/spread was in World is going to mess me up...
but I think once I'm used to it, I'll still enjoy bow in Rise... I suppose it depends on if we go back to having different shot types and how much Arc shot ends up mattering.
I think I'll be playing it less than in World. The changes to the other weapons make them more interesting, and bow is looking a little more lackluster by comparison to me.
I am in love with this game already and we only got the demo this game is amazing!! I was hooked the moment I started playing the demo.. too bad its not play as much as you want until the game comes out but only thirty play throughs. Don't know why they do the whole limit play thing with demos, its not like we can do much other than what they have given us
What you can do then, which I did, is simply create another user on your switch just to play the demo again, and then delete it when it’s over x)
I had to reverse my controls to make bow work with my muscle memory. It's very hard to unlearn adept style and incorporate wire bug style. But it's fun.
Gaijin: first impressions already going up
Me: Dëmô when?
The mounting is a real great change compared to Worlds Clutch Claw Spam, even though it doesn't seem that good with just a single Monster.
Still I'm looking foraward on chaining mounts on 2 or 3 different Monsters a go ham :D
As a little side note, who thinks that there will be some kind of special event quest, where you permanently control a goldcrown Monster and fight another gold crown Kaiju style?
I'm so shocked to say this but why is melee bow shockingly good? It works with close range coating and power coating(don't know about the others), Herculean Draw boosts it and I was hitting upwards of 54 damage to Mizu in the head with no sharpness to worry about, it's fast, you can dodge out and fire at range whenever you want and you have a free heal that is very strong in the demo. Hunting Horn was the other weapon that made Mizu feel super easy for me but Bow was about the same, I barely even got touched with how mobile it is and the fact you can just go ranged during phases where you can't get in and I actually got so many KOs and cut it's tail off with the greatest of ease. I thought it was a meme when I saw a video on it but low key, melee bow is a thing you can totally do effectively lol.
I used bow a lot in MHW and of the 5 weapon types I tried in the demo this one threw me for a loop the most. Gonna take some time to get used to the changes.
My last monster hunter game was GU where I mained the bow (valor style ofc). About a week ago I saw Arekkz' World tutorial on the bow, and in the MHR demo I have primarily played around with the bow. Do you mind sharing what changes you feel with the weapon, aside from the change to arc shots of course?
the hbg counter counts as mounting damage. from what i remember they said silkbind move damage would trigger wyvrrn riding. so far both sb moves for the bow do nothing for this as far as i know. we'll see with the future sb moves
Really wish they gave more control options... I'd rather and am used to charging the bow with R
I'm guessing since they went with the world redesign for the Bow that pierce bows are still no longer a thing as it's specifically tied to dragon piercer. I miss having different bow types and pierce bow was my favorite. Big sed.
I’m happy the bow feels like it did in MHW.
Indeed, while gyroscopic motion control is amazing to have, having it active _all the time_ (such as with Mario Kart Wii or 8) is literally, physically exhausting. It is usually much more convenient for a game to have a specific "aiming mode" with motion controls enabled (Breath of the Wild, Star Fox Zero, etc.).
You can set it in here that way and it works great. :)
just wanted to mention, while your on your palamute you can do a drift with L and get a speed boost sorta like mario kart
XD this is strangely funny like you slide with the mutes claws dug in and slide. Tbh that sounds like a new fun thing to do. Is race the mutes around a map
@@lechking941 lol thats one of the first things I thought when I found it, doing a race with players
@@UkazutoX like just thinking about that stupid fun makes me wish i had more friends with a switch :P and FUCK i hate how its 3 months away. its preordered and all but ug. i hate that time frame.
@@lechking941 Lol I know that feel, this game's seems like it's have a bunch of fun weird games to make up too with monster fight shenanigans and I just can't wait
@@UkazutoX this feeling is just when time is a bitch more than you wanted
Maybe THIS will finally be the MH game where I use a ranged weapon... I say before every new MH game
From the looks it will be.
Bow main for world and iceborn.... was thinking about playing hammer or GS for rise, but after this video I just don’t think that’ll happen!
I love the bow. I can’t wait to use it in Rise
I think the new mounting system is neat. Curious how it'll work for some monsters, but it's fun.
bomb damage still ticks a lot slower so its probably better to explode the bomb without hitting the monster. (except GS charge ofc its heavier and probably other heavy weps) tho i did not notice any x2 damage input.
I don't get why Capcom made the gyro controls inverted from the R Stick camera control setting. I like inverted vertical (forward looks down) but then the gyro goes up if inclined forward, and vice-versa. They need to put an option for inverting control for the gyro only.
The ZR and ZL controlls are the worst thing when you play with the joycons. And i would love that the the mh rise bow were more like old gen charging gameplay i just miss this gameplay
Man, since I haven't played bow that much in World, I kinda had to do the transition from Generation Ultimate to Rise... And I went against Mizutsune XD. It was horrible and considering I was streaming in the mean time, makes my gameplay only worse >
good question , need to take the demo again but, if you want to be sure, check the amount of damage . If the numbers are in a blue background, it counts ;)
@@DraennDrones Will check it out next time I play, but if my memories are correct I think it doesn't.
I always shy away from the weapons that use ammo and coatings, etc. It'd be great to watch a video on how to manage that stuff.
Nice video! One question though, I played the demo and is this because of the rapid fire type or does that bow "feel" kind of iffy. I mean the hitting feedback doesn't feel the same as in mh xx, freedom unite and tri (those I played)
What do you think?
I've found that if you take the time to collect the spirit birds for stamina, bow isnt as bad as bow users make it seem. I recently started bow in mhgu but I always run mega dash juice. For some reason this bow destroys stamina, so I'm looking forward to when I can use those in the real game
Finally, now I know how to do Mountable damage!!
How??
I also had some barrels out during the izuchi fight, and they wouldn't blow up when the monster hit them, ended up having to time it with barrell bombs.
I can be a melee focus bow user again!
God bless for gyrosensor option in rise! Also thx for the Videos i really look forward to play them
wow is it just me or did the dragon piercer motion value get wayy better
We can hope
If so good. It kinda sucked.
I was actually mounting monsters pretty often in world using the jump stab 😁
I actually was kind of unimpressed with bow. I wish it had something like lbg where I could vault the monster. I'm sure this game will have more moves on launch though.
I have a BIG problem with the bow using type 2 weapon controls: I feel much better using type 2 with bowguns since they're more similar to previous mh controls BUT the bow type 2 Is so messed up with aiming with R, firing with X and not being able to actually move the right stick to aim... The controls in generations were just fine, while these don't make much sense... I hope they fix them somehow because I love type 2 for all the other weapons.
So back when I played MHW I mained Bow and Long Sword. This time I'm thinking Bow and Sword and shield, or Bow and Dual
Loving the demo so far. Shit you not, I got a little choked up lol