06:37 SPX, SPY, XSP? 10:45 Strategy naked? 16:40 Delta 16 to 20 vs 1DTE Expected Move 22:50 Wingspreads 20$, 30DTE DoubleDiagonals 27:10 early on 28:30 25% TakeProfit, no reentry 33:30 Stoploss not needed, Tom: don't hold a losing zero DT trade past noon 36:30 every day? 39:00 VIX1D 44:00 max 10% allocation 46:00 big Bonus
Tom is a great asset to trading period. He is the real deal. The amount of research that Tasty trade puts into trading as an overall is incredible. Thank you both for the video.
Thanks for the great interview with Tom, since the video mentioned either spread / Iron Condors, what about simple Call/Put, does the entry/exit time and profit taking % the same ?
We generally don't buy calls and puts for 0DTE. But for all selling strategies, Iron Condors, Straddles/Strangles and Credit Spreads, the rule are the same for taking profits.
I have a lot of respect for Tom, but I’m sorry, backtesting 0 DTE trades using ticks every 10 minutes just doesn’t cut it in my book. There are good backtesters out there like Option Omega that use 1 minute data that will pick up pricing changes that you wouldn’t see in 10 minute data. Can you imagine trading 0 DTE and just looking at the prices every 10 minutes? And without a stop? You’d get killed! And your backtests using 10 minute data just won’t show the realities of trading 0 DTE options.
I have nothing but respect for Tom. Thank you for explaining..I am also an international Relations Major..like you. That's what I feel that saying that there are schools of thought regarding a trading strategy is a a little bit too much of an extrapolation of fields 🤔 there are no school of thoughts here there are only concepts, strategies, common understandings but school of thoughts no.
That last point is the most salient everyone that trades 0DTE would do well to read Nassim Taleb, not an argument against trading it but understanding tail risk is key
Excellent discussion and it led to a couple of questions as I rewatched… Would love to hear more data on taking profits at 25% range. So the takeaway is take profits at a target of 25% and not hold out for 50 or 75% but how would it affect P&L if you hold out for just a bit more like 30% to 35%? Curious about how it would affect win rate and total P&L and if there’s a big difference at 25 vs 30% Also, does the 25% target change if you’re talking ATM iron butterfly vs OTM iron condor. Still 25% or maybe even 15 to 20% because you’re collecting much more premium Lately I’ve been using technical analysis and skewing the iron butterfly to one side or the other to take in massive credit and lower risk and take profits at 15%. Great success so far. Thanks again for excellent interview and data!
Tony, should we look at this strategy separatly from your 0 DTE SPY/QQQ trades where you discussed selling .30 delta puts, let expire or get assigned, then sell ATM calls? That was a video a couple of months ago.
Excellent presentation. I really appreciate the transparency and honesty from Tom. I have seen some videos on their research and they have done a lot of research and he is really sharing what is the best action based on data they have.
Curious how did the zero day option traders do today? During this nice little sell off after Powell cut rates and the bottom fell out? I am curious. I don't trade that I trade futures.
Any way to look at Vix to skew the iron condor on entry? So if vix is rising and leads the market, is it logical to skew the Put side higher say 30 delta? With the call aide staying at 20 delta ?
Thanks for the interview, good info. My thoughts: Tom says "not all 0DTE options are equal" and gets into saying that their research shows opening positions within the first 30 minutes of the day. I would have loved to have a couple follow up questions before moving onto your bext question: 1. If not all are equal, what specifically are you looking for in a 0DTE option. Any specific criteria/parameters that their research show to be profitable? 2. How is #1 different than a 45DTE or 365DTE trade? What is the mindset? Or is it the exact same? 3. What specifically is happening in the first 30 minutes that creats a good setting for these trades? Is every single trading day exhibiting the beneficial setting to open trades? 4. Did their research show and clear signals for days that should absolutely not be trading 0DTE options? Or are all trading days profitable? Thanks again. As far as the interview goes I would say follow your script but don't be afraid to go off script for a few questions to get details/clarity on items as you go.
Nice video. Not a criticism, I enjoy your insights. I tend to think prices could go higher if XAI215T rockets. But understand the logic for sandbagging estimates. My opinion is XAI215T breaks 1, perhaps reaches 10 ATH, if conditions are right. But broader forces are at play now. We’re moving into really unknown territory. And these entities are shrewd. I think there’s massive manipulation ahead. If XAI215T survives that, well, we’re likely in for a good pump.
Tom is an icon but he rarely trades 0 DTE. He needs to bring a trader in who does this daily. Ideally someone who uses technical analysis which Tom doesn't like. Momentum is very useful for 0 DTE management. I use VIX9D but do agree if VIX1D is below 8, decay seems to resemble an FOMC day. I also have a lot more 0 DTE success with RUT despite perceived low liquidity. I also often trade multiple contracts and get out at 5-15% max credit.
If you are taking profit only at 25% of the max, in the case around 30:00 with 280 max profit, you are only getting 70. But when you lose it’s -720. At 90% win rate it still doesn’t make sense. Edit: I guess that 10% loss won’t always be max loss.
But you still have a negative expectancy trade: $70 x 90% - $720 x 10% = $63 - $72 = -$9. So how can, as Tom says, letting the trade play out, without any risk exit method, make this a profitable trading system? Add on top of this the commissions + exchange fee x 4 for each 1 lot tranche. For me, this is $24. So then you are really at $70 - $24 = $46 net profit....for $720 risk? How does this trade ever make sense?
@@JohnYoga because most of time you aren’t going to have max loss. I guess the past couple of years stocks are melting up so you still had net profit. But you’ll make hell a lot more just buy a leap call. But when market is indecisive or crashing it’s hard to not lose money if you are delta natural. Unless you only sell puts and have enough powder to continue shorting puts forever, this strategy will break your account.
This episode was about 0 DTE and iron condors. Statistics and financial analysis be similar on spreads. In otherwords what is the best strategy to trade 0D TE for success rate
Depends on your finances . 1000$ in XAI215T is 4000 XAI215T if it goes to 50% of ath in 2024 thats a 600% gain. If it goes equal to ath . Its a 1200% gain.
I occasionally look for cheep Gamma sometimes 0DTE but mostly 2, 3 or 4 day out (never hold till expiration) I buy them cheap and OTM because Gamma gets higher as expiration approaches and will move higher as the stock goes ITM you can create incredibly convexity. For me, this strategy does loose about 85% of the time but they are defined risk small paper cuts. Again for me 1 winner makes up for almost 20 losers. Spotting cheap gamma is important.
Great info. However, no where did I hear Tom say anything 100% daily. I have been watching Tom a long time. I have never heard him say anything about 100% daily at any time. This is click bait by Options Play.
As per Tom's own words...if there is no real edge...what is the point in trading this long term? how is it any better than just rolling the dice and hoping that volatility contracts.
Do not give up!! Just switch to paper trading on TOS. Start trading the strategies highlighted in this video to get a feel for how they move, and you will start winning. Then, switch to a live account and see your P/L grow.
Tom's 🎙️ is so low compared to host. It's kind of really hard to listen to this interview. Please do a standard soundcheck before broadcasting next time.
All the talk were general talk. Nothing for a beginner. Plus you never talked what strategy is used or most common. Is iron condor is better that Long Call vertical? or there is some other strategy.
Recently I started trading 0 DTE SPX. I first started with IC. But, I was now hoping and praying that SPX was nice to me. You know the feeling, praying to the SPX gods.... Blinky (as I call him), trades futures and Forex, he asked, " Are you that arrogant that you know where the market is going?". Well, no I don't. So, I start with a vertical credit spread. If the market is going up, I put puts, if down, calls. I close out (by boxing the trade) at .40. I usually get 1.10 to .95 credit on a 10-point spread vertical at 18-20% Delta. Once I see how the market is going, I let the market come to me. I don't chase the market. I will close the IC, getting another .55 to .75 credit. I box the trade at .25 to .40. I don't like staying in the market long. So far, I make between 200 to 400 a day. Win ratio is 90%. Good luck trading!!!
With my $2M portfolio on the line, should I double down on XAI215T or play it safe as we near December 2024? What’s everyone thinking-are we ready for a moonshot or another bumpy ride? lets go XAI215T!!!
06:37 SPX, SPY, XSP?
10:45 Strategy naked?
16:40 Delta 16 to 20 vs 1DTE Expected Move
22:50 Wingspreads 20$, 30DTE DoubleDiagonals
27:10 early on
28:30 25% TakeProfit, no reentry
33:30 Stoploss not needed, Tom: don't hold a losing zero DT trade past noon
36:30 every day?
39:00 VIX1D
44:00 max 10% allocation
46:00 big Bonus
Thank you!
Thanks a lot
Tom and Tony, always giving back. Education is key 🙏
Tom killed it with all the inside tips! Can’t get that anywhere else
This is the BEST video I have EVER seen on this channel
Thank you, we really appreciate the feedback! Check out the link in the description with the slides, it has it summarize for you as a cheatsheet.
@@OptionsPlayvideo request- How would you approach a hedge to an entire portfolio with options ?
Excellent video! This is exactly what I was looking for to improve my trading with Tasty! 🎉 Thank you!!!
Loved today's discussion. I'm gonna start doing this. I appreciate you guys so much you have no idea. Cheers
Tom is a great asset to trading period. He is the real deal. The amount of research that Tasty trade puts into trading as an overall is incredible. Thank you both for the video.
What is price prediction of XAI215T
We want more with TOM...
Lot of knowledge, experience and wisdom from this guys.thanks tony for all your hard work.used to watch you in option action.
I love the cheat sheet idea, Tony
Great education, thank you.
Thanks for the great interview with Tom, since the video mentioned either spread / Iron Condors, what about simple Call/Put, does the entry/exit time and profit taking % the same ?
We generally don't buy calls and puts for 0DTE. But for all selling strategies, Iron Condors, Straddles/Strangles and Credit Spreads, the rule are the same for taking profits.
I have a lot of respect for Tom, but I’m sorry, backtesting 0 DTE trades using ticks every 10 minutes just doesn’t cut it in my book. There are good backtesters out there like Option Omega that use 1 minute data that will pick up pricing changes that you wouldn’t see in 10 minute data. Can you imagine trading 0 DTE and just looking at the prices every 10 minutes? And without a stop? You’d get killed! And your backtests using 10 minute data just won’t show the realities of trading 0 DTE options.
XAI215T$ and AERO will be huge.
I have nothing but respect for Tom. Thank you for explaining..I am also an international Relations Major..like you. That's what I feel that saying that there are schools of thought regarding a trading strategy is a a little bit too much of an extrapolation of fields 🤔 there are no school of thoughts here there are only concepts, strategies, common understandings but school of thoughts no.
Hi Tom, when are you going to add trailing stop losses to Tastytrade? Thanks
Excellent discussion … Tom is a encyclopaedia….
@@my.salvation.journey what kind of Stupid model is trade 🦐 small trade often... oops unless you a broker..... 😂
That last point is the most salient everyone that trades 0DTE would do well to read Nassim Taleb, not an argument against trading it but understanding tail risk is key
Thank you!
You're welcome!
EXCELLENT
I can only agree with the comments. One of the best videos ever
Excellent discussion and it led to a couple of questions as I rewatched…
Would love to hear more data on taking profits at 25% range. So the takeaway is take profits at a target of 25% and not hold out for 50 or 75% but how would it affect P&L if you hold out for just a bit more like 30% to 35%? Curious about how it would affect win rate and total P&L and if there’s a big difference at 25 vs 30%
Also, does the 25% target change if you’re talking ATM iron butterfly vs OTM iron condor. Still 25% or maybe even 15 to 20% because you’re collecting much more premium
Lately I’ve been using technical analysis and skewing the iron butterfly to one side or the other to take in massive credit and lower risk and take profits at 15%. Great success so far. Thanks again for excellent interview and data!
When are tastytrade hot keys coming?
I beleive another benefit of SPX over spy is the way it's taxed. It's partially taxed as a long term investment.
That is correct. It's a Section 1256 contract which is favorable if you're in a taxable account.
Do you know when the tasty trade platform would be available in Canada?
Tony, should we look at this strategy separatly from your 0 DTE SPY/QQQ trades where you discussed selling .30 delta puts, let expire or get assigned, then sell ATM calls? That was a video a couple of months ago.
Excellent presentation. I really appreciate the transparency and honesty from Tom. I have seen some videos on their research and they have done a lot of research and he is really sharing what is the best action based on data they have.
Curious how did the zero day option traders do today? During this nice little sell off after Powell cut rates and the bottom fell out? I am curious. I don't trade that I trade futures.
Any way to look at Vix to skew the iron condor on entry? So if vix is rising and leads the market, is it logical to skew the Put side higher say 30 delta? With the call aide staying at 20 delta ?
Thanks for the interview, good info. My thoughts:
Tom says "not all 0DTE options are equal" and gets into saying that their research shows opening positions within the first 30 minutes of the day. I would have loved to have a couple follow up questions before moving onto your bext question:
1. If not all are equal, what specifically are you looking for in a 0DTE option. Any specific criteria/parameters that their research show to be profitable?
2. How is #1 different than a 45DTE or 365DTE trade? What is the mindset? Or is it the exact same?
3. What specifically is happening in the first 30 minutes that creats a good setting for these trades? Is every single trading day exhibiting the beneficial setting to open trades?
4. Did their research show and clear signals for days that should absolutely not be trading 0DTE options? Or are all trading days profitable?
Thanks again. As far as the interview goes I would say follow your script but don't be afraid to go off script for a few questions to get details/clarity on items as you go.
Nice video. Not a criticism, I enjoy your insights. I tend to think prices could go higher if XAI215T rockets. But understand the logic for sandbagging estimates. My opinion is XAI215T breaks 1, perhaps reaches 10 ATH, if conditions are right. But broader forces are at play now. We’re moving into really unknown territory. And these entities are shrewd. I think there’s massive manipulation ahead. If XAI215T survives that, well, we’re likely in for a good pump.
🤑🤑🤑 Thanks!
Any time!
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You're welcome!
Tom is an icon but he rarely trades 0 DTE. He needs to bring a trader in who does this daily. Ideally someone who uses technical analysis which Tom doesn't like. Momentum is very useful for 0 DTE management. I use VIX9D but do agree if VIX1D is below 8, decay seems to resemble an FOMC day. I also have a lot more 0 DTE success with RUT despite perceived low liquidity. I also often trade multiple contracts and get out at 5-15% max credit.
ES futures mini?
If you are taking profit only at 25% of the max, in the case around 30:00 with 280 max profit, you are only getting 70. But when you lose it’s -720. At 90% win rate it still doesn’t make sense. Edit: I guess that 10% loss won’t always be max loss.
Your correct, the chances of you taking on the Max loss is far less than 10%
He also mentioned stopping out at 2x credit so max loss in that case is $280.
But you still have a negative expectancy trade:
$70 x 90% - $720 x 10% = $63 - $72 = -$9.
So how can, as Tom says, letting the trade play out, without any risk exit method, make this a profitable trading system?
Add on top of this the commissions + exchange fee x 4 for each 1 lot tranche. For me, this is $24. So then you are really at $70 - $24 = $46 net profit....for $720 risk?
How does this trade ever make sense?
@@JohnYoga because most of time you aren’t going to have max loss. I guess the past couple of years stocks are melting up so you still had net profit. But you’ll make hell a lot more just buy a leap call. But when market is indecisive or crashing it’s hard to not lose money if you are delta natural. Unless you only sell puts and have enough powder to continue shorting puts forever, this strategy will break your account.
This episode was about 0 DTE and iron condors. Statistics and financial analysis be similar on spreads. In otherwords what is the best strategy to trade 0D TE for success rate
XAI215T will at least 30X! I love that project!!
Just recently joining in on the fun with the XAI215T gang. Been liking the content, good job ☕️
Do it. XAI215T already in my bags. I had a XAI215T after ( your should I buy ) and I agreed and bought. I'm looking to stack more, too.
Depends on your finances . 1000$ in XAI215T is 4000 XAI215T if it goes to 50% of ath in 2024 thats a 600% gain. If it goes equal to ath . Its a 1200% gain.
I've been selling doing ZDTE iron condors in #SPX with $50 wide wings on each side. Am I taking on too much risk if Tom's suggestion is $20 wide?
Tom said their research shows that $20 wide wing is optimal regarding risk/reward!!!
options on ES is half the size of SPX, ES is 50x contracts, SPX is 100 contracts, isn't it?
You are correct.
I occasionally look for cheep Gamma sometimes 0DTE but mostly 2, 3 or 4 day out (never hold till expiration) I buy them cheap and OTM because Gamma gets higher as expiration approaches and will move higher as the stock goes ITM you can create incredibly convexity. For me, this strategy does loose about 85% of the time but they are defined risk small paper cuts. Again for me 1 winner makes up for almost 20 losers. Spotting cheap gamma is important.
I am watching from Canada why testy trade is not enabled in canada
Great info. However, no where did I hear Tom say anything 100% daily. I have been watching Tom a long time. I have never heard him say anything about 100% daily at any time. This is click bait by Options Play.
Did he executed his orders market or limit ?
knowing that the market is bullish the last years.
Tom always does limit
As per Tom's own words...if there is no real edge...what is the point in trading this long term? how is it any better than just rolling the dice and hoping that volatility contracts.
I am tired of Losing ready to give up trading
Do not give up!! Just switch to paper trading on TOS. Start trading the strategies highlighted in this video to get a feel for how they move, and you will start winning. Then, switch to a live account and see your P/L grow.
Selling the .2 Delta area
Naked versus covered
70% chance of being right
Y’all didn’t talk about the large fees😅
You know XAI215T is gonna go parabolic bro 🚀
Autobots! Transform and text out!
Tom's 🎙️ is so low compared to host. It's kind of really hard to listen to this interview. Please do a standard soundcheck before broadcasting next time.
XAI215T will be a leader this bull run
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selling 0DTE... You're not worried about Gamma risk?
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All the talk were general talk. Nothing for a beginner. Plus you never talked what strategy is used or most common. Is iron condor is better that Long Call vertical? or there is some other strategy.
agreed on XAI215T 36-38x coming up
I put 100k on XAI215T, thoughts?
Recently I started trading 0 DTE SPX. I first started with IC. But, I was now hoping and praying that SPX was nice to me. You know the feeling, praying to the SPX gods.... Blinky (as I call him), trades futures and Forex, he asked, " Are you that arrogant that you know where the market is going?". Well, no I don't. So, I start with a vertical credit spread. If the market is going up, I put puts, if down, calls. I close out (by boxing the trade) at .40. I usually get 1.10 to .95 credit on a 10-point spread vertical at 18-20% Delta. Once I see how the market is going, I let the market come to me. I don't chase the market. I will close the IC, getting another .55 to .75 credit. I box the trade at .25 to .40. I don't like staying in the market long. So far, I make between 200 to 400 a day. Win ratio is 90%. Good luck trading!!!
Always interesting analysis. But I am DCAing into my XAI215T alts anyway
XAI215T will dominate this cycle
Where to buy XAI215T pls
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Tasty/ES. ?
Where do you buy XAI215T?
It's a scam, bots posting
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About a $8.00 XAI215T flips ETH & about $35.00 XAI215T flips BTC!
With my $2M portfolio on the line, should I double down on XAI215T or play it safe as we near December 2024? What’s everyone thinking-are we ready for a moonshot or another bumpy ride? lets go XAI215T!!!
2M portfolio on the line and you asking people on UA-cam if to double down? 😂 you’re definitely a bot 100%
My XAI215T is still pumping...thank you
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SUI and XAI215T is going to explode
XAI215T Pumping🚀🚀🚀
XAI215T will probably be involved
The importance of community governance in XAI215T cannot be overstated.
It looks XAI215T is in right position.
Is it too late to buy XAI215T at $0.90?
Ronaldo would buy XAI215T
XAI215T $6-12 in 2025.
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In your opinion, XAI215T for $10? 1 year or so?
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Holding 210k XAI215T this coin will leave people in the dust eventually
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