Anecdotal - but as I was browsing in a charity shop today, I overheard a couple of volunteers chatting about the winter fuel payment after it was brought up on the radio. One of them said that their Dad called it his "winter holiday payment" and used the last one to buy a trip to Benidorm, while another friend of theirs used it to get the train to Leeds to buy a new designer bag. It surely needs to be means tested? There's a cohort of wealthy pensioners who just don't need it.
The pensioners round my area live in houses worth on average 500 grand and with range rovers, Mercedes and 40 grand brand new caravans in the driveways. I know this is only anecdotal too, but the fact that there are loads of wealthy pensioners who absolutely do not need a 300 quid sub is undeniable.
@@dh1380 OK, let's not be anecdotal then. According to the ONS' most up to date figures, the median pensioner in the UK has an income of £14,000 after real/notional housing costs. So six million are poorer than that, of which 5 million are now having the fuel payment taken off them. Why does Starmer remind me of Lord Farquaad in Shrek on this issue? "Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"...
Pensioners: I’ve seen someone in a council house buying booze and cigs so with their benefits so no one should get them Also pensioners: GIVE ME MY F*****G HOLIDAY MONEY
The real reason we can't afford shit any more is because big companies and rich people are running away with all our tax money. Read "The Great Tax Robbery", it's eye-opening!
Totally agree about oldies downsizing. Living in your massive house is *not* a human right. Sell up, so someone else can have a home to bring up their family - it's not your turn anymore! I'd have a second home tax at a million percent, and strong punitive incentives to downsize. And generous benefits for those who need them, versus nothing for those who are sat on £millions of assets.
I'm 65 I have cerebral palsy and my hands and feet are always cold. I worked for Remploy for 28 years. I will not get the Winter Fuel payment as I'm £2 over the limit because of my occupational pension from Remploy.
How did you contribute to a pension for 28 years and not have enough income from that to top yourself up to full state pension amount? You're 7 years short of a full pension. What annunity did you buy that gives you less than £80 a month? It doesn't seem right.
yeah, you know you're listening to LBC when people are phoning in to say the most important part of an England football managers job is to sing the national anthem
Of course straight men should be allowed into gay clubs. As a straight female, I used to go to gay clubs in college cuz it was the best place in town to dance. When a woman asked me to dance, I’d say, ‘I’m straight but let’s dance’ and was never refused. Several of the straight men that came with us ended up actually being gay but hadn’t owned it themselves. Every space should be for everyone to learn, enjoy and experience
I totally agree with you and I think with straight women there's a different dynamic but I think the difference is a) when a group a straight lads go in to hit on girls, it's not about enjoying the music or celebrating the culture... b) You're right that if a gay woman asks a straight woman to dance, 99% of the time, they'd respond as you did with "I'm straight but let's dance". All very nice and wholesome and friendly....That is very unlikely to happen with most straight guys. Usually when this has happened to me over the years, it's a disgusted look and a "no, fuck off, I'm not queer" c) I can only speak from the experience as a gay man, but most of time growing up I'd go to a gay club to finally feel at ease and comfortable to be myself and not have the fear I was going to run into any of the straight guys who bullied me and are going to judge me. It means I am now censoring my behaviour to avoid the judgement of others which is exactly what it feels like walking around on a daily basis :D
Also to be clear, if a straight guy is in a group with girls and LGBTQ people, that's an entirely different story. They're already mixing with the community and it's not like there's a test they can do at the door to tell they're straight :D. It's more big groups of obviously straight lads trying to get in to either take the piss or to hit on girls. I worked in a gay bar and this would happen all the time and it became tiring after a while
Every politician should vote based on their own moral standpoint. The whip idea of forcing people to vote in line with the party stance and not their own viewpoint is wrong. Neither the leader nor anyone within the party should be able to bully someone into voting a particular way against their own morality
It’s not only the winter fuel it’s food inflation and already advised the new 10% on energy bills. Also increases in pensions has pushed some into paying tax because the personal allowance has not been raised for years.
So the Tories froze tax allowances while increasing pensions with the Triple lock. Do you know which section of the population is the least likely to be living in poverty? According to the Joseph Rowntree foundations latest report. The most likely to be in poverty are children. Followed by working age adults with children. Followed by working age adults and lastly pensioners. That's right. Pensioners are the least likely group to be in poverty.
@@archvaldor He's not attacking them at all, and they're not vulnerable or marginalised, they're just old. They got to enjoy the best of society and life, great mortgage rates and everything else they had access to that modern adults can hardly even dream of. They also are the largest bloc for the tories and always have been, they're the reason Tories got in for 14 years straight meaning they're partially responsible for what the Tories did, they're reaping what they sowed. As a relatively young person I will not bring children into the world just so that they starve or face climate disasters, I have to make the moral choice not to have children, even though I've always wanted to be a father, I cannot be responsible for even more children having to suffer the consequences of the older generations' choice. We're allowed to be mad at them, look at where they got us?
Not one discussion point on the fact we shouldn’t be subsidising energy company profits. Energy should be cheap enough that you don’t need a helping hand to pay it. Also where do pensioners get their income from? Perhaps we should look at making sure pensions can pay for the cost of basic living - housing, food, and energy. Also I loved how Ava schooled Oli “it’s so basic…” 😂
I want to point out that Taylor Swift endorsed Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in 2020. So that’s one of the reasons people are wondering why she hasn’t endorsed this time around.
Its worth mentioning that Cotopus has actually put their money where their mouth is when it comes to helping seniors with their energy bills, so kudos to them.
Good pod, enjoy it more than normal, I think Labour forget that most people newly retired will have probably voted Labour and are only eligible for pension credit if they were born before April 1958 and get less than £218pw , the full state pension is currently £221pw. £300 may not sound much but it pays towards fuel payments the coldest months. These people may have a small private pension income but food costs have doubled and there is no support. People will have to choose between eating and heating, especially those older people who are also disabled.
I think the idea that Labour want the poorest pensioners to claim pension credit guarantee if they aren't rather than giving a blanket increase in Winter Fuel Payment is to help with wealth distribution. If they claim their Pension Credit, they also get help towards their healthcare as well. It makes sure the money goes to the poorest pensioners, not just all pensioners regardless of wealth
100% agree. I said this to friends of mine recently. Who cares if Swift is liberal, conservative, libertarian etc. She is a country/pop singer. If you need musicians to tell you who to vote for, you probably shouldn't be voting.
Politicians care, because she commands an army of millions of slavish fans who'll basically do whatever she tells them to do. That's a significant force, even if it's a bit dumb on the part of her fans.
I agree but it isn’t just the voting. I don’t want to give money to a person with horrible beliefs. Also she is a billionaire who could be donating to the party.
From personal experience straight women in gay bars are more of a problem than straight men (though I suspect lesbians may have to opposite experience) - it's rarely talked about but it's rediculously common for gay men to be SA'd by straight women in gay bars, often times with even the victim feeling obliged to 'laugh it off'.
This whole fiasco is just typical Starmer. He can never admit he is in the wrong. He can never say I got it wrong, and we saw this with the infamous radio interview where he said it was right to cut water and fuel and medical supplies off from Gaza.
"The price of milk question is a tactic for gauging political candidates' familiarity with the lives of ordinary voters in the United States and the United Kingdom is to ask them to name the price of everyday items such as bread and especially milk.[1]" So in this example, it was a kind of calling of a bluff, exposing the outrage of a caller re: the national anthem to be hypocritical/out of touch - if they were so convinced of the importance of the anthem, they should know it well enough to be able to quote the second verse.
@@ericaceous1652 oh yes of course! I saw a video of Bill Gates trying to guess how much ordinary stuff costs. I've heard it spoken about in detail but never heard it used as a verb "to pint of milk". Thanks for clearing that up lol
This minor bumming to pensioners now, is nothing compared to the absolute hell I hope they place on the highest owners and big businesses... Its all about laying the groundwork to do big damage and sort this country one!
Advocating things that are Green Party policy but no coverage of Green Party Conference. You'll be retweeting stats of how often Reform has been on Question Time compared to the Greens, then send a journalist to cover Reform's conference but not the Greens? Come on guys give us a call.
@17:40 that's bullshit. The money for unclaimed pension credit has already been budgeted for. It's ringfenced. It's effectively just sitting in government coffers waiting to be claimed and can't be spent on anything else so cutting winter fuel payment will save that billion pounds.
But I guess the point is if it's not spent because 800k odd pensioners have not claimed it historically it remains on the P&L sheet and will now be spent. I thought the government was specifically about balancing the books.
Vibe wise I dont think Starmer's party has yet earned the right to take money off people. They should do some popular things before they do such unpopular things. Or look like a bunch of R-👣.
47:02 we cannot police people and make people prove their LGBTQIA status. As a bi woman, I want a safe space, why do cis straight people go their, to sight see, they see us as entertainment, hence why large groups of hen parties go. But clubs make loads of money from them
I think it's telling that Ava and to a lesser extent Olli worry over a few negative Tweets because people have misinterpreted a statement, however are perfectly comfortable decrying Starmer's lack of leadership, when in actual fact he is showing real leadership and not capitulating and taking the easy populist choices...
Folks, as a middle-aged chappy, I have to call out the comment at the 19m mark. Yes it is true that if the 800k people not claiming pension credit do so to get WFA then it is cost neutral. Take a step back, it means that the most in need get pension credit and therefore WFA but it also means that those who don’t need WFA don’t. It is redistribution 101. The real question is that if the Treasury know 800k don’t claim pension credit then just give it them by default and the problem disappears; government can then get on with balancing the book elsewhere having redistributed in some way.
I don't understand why we have to do tax/benefits based on income total rather than setting like the top 1% get this the top 9% (after the one) get taxed this much or hey this much in benefits and those making this much as a % of where they fall compared to everyone else
My dad is approaching pension age. My parents are fairly well off moreso than during my childhood, I just moved out. There are a lot of pensioners who are well off, they’re the boomer generation, they’re not the feeble old people who lived through the war anymore. As mentioned there are many who are very well off. Yes there are many who are not and thus means tested allowance should be made I think. But I agree that this is an odd group to go after, it isn’t a situation of the trade unions get money and they don’t, both could, it is a choice. Why not go after tax fraud, why not big business? No Starmer is sending a message and it think this is a miss, he will be known as the PM who caused old people to freeze to dead (hyperbolicly) we saw this with the child benefits. It is austerity but with a new lick of paint. He is choosing to go after them. Yes they have been the most well off generation, but they represent a fear of younger people, of working hard and wasting our youth to be comfortable in old age, only to have it taken from us, it’s evocative,
@@POLESTAR757 I saw something about that, but how does that equate to her becoming a Republican? I assume it’s meant to be some dumb joke. Feel like if you look at the makeup of her fanbase, plus literally every political opinion she’s ever expressed, there’s no way anybody could come to that conclusion haha
@danrattigan96 I think poljoe are joking but the people on twitter aren't (it's twitter they're all insane) and no it certainly doesn't make you a republican
I mean if Labour can break the back of the idea that pensioners are some sort of sacred protected class of people who can never be legislated against then I'm all for it. Most of them don't need it and the ones that do will still get it.
My question is. Do we still need a large and active military or a smaller more effiecent strike force style one. The era of large conflicts is mostly over with missels and drones etc becoming the majority of the way nations deliver death. As well as nuclear armament, it's not a secret that these will never be used as it is a bad idea and a full blown war crime. May we need them for planetary defence ? maybe however other technologies are avalible now and england alone spends alot to keep our nukes which just seems like a money pit at this point. That money could then be used on our nation and to equip our smaller more effiecent military force better as well as flow to other sectors. I maybe naive and not taking into account current wars and how close europe is to all out war but large scale weapons like nukes will never be used and if they are we are all dead anyway.
If enough eligible pensioners aren't claiming pension credit, then that's something that really needs to be addressed. If the winter fuel allowance being taken away from some covers the increased cost of giving money to those that qualify and haven't yet taken up their entitlement, then that sounds good to me. A wash for the treasury, but better direction of funds to the most needy.
I agree with your sentiment. However, when young people are going to be poorer than thier parents, I think it's reasonable that winter fuel payments are means tested. Public services were severely underfunded under the Tories. Money needs to come from somewhere...
If PolJoe ever do a Patreon, one of the tiers needs to be "Meal Deal for Ava".
Given the metal cage under the table, the green fill light, and now monstrous robot arms, the set appears to be transforming into a Borg cube.
😂😂😂
I think it's Robot Wars or sth like that
those metal arms are an absolute eyesore
But the audio is MUCH better. No more thuds to my ear drums every time they bump the table
@@spewter If I asked you to worry about either your eyes or my ears which would you honestly choose?
@@davidashcroftxo for a podcast? my ears of course.
@@EarlHare I didn't ask about your ears, I asked about your eyes vs my ears silly
Why not get black when you have a plain dark set
Anecdotal - but as I was browsing in a charity shop today, I overheard a couple of volunteers chatting about the winter fuel payment after it was brought up on the radio. One of them said that their Dad called it his "winter holiday payment" and used the last one to buy a trip to Benidorm, while another friend of theirs used it to get the train to Leeds to buy a new designer bag.
It surely needs to be means tested? There's a cohort of wealthy pensioners who just don't need it.
As long as every one who needs it gets it. But I know so many pensioners for whom the winter fuel payment is a joke
The pensioners round my area live in houses worth on average 500 grand and with range rovers, Mercedes and 40 grand brand new caravans in the driveways. I know this is only anecdotal too, but the fact that there are loads of wealthy pensioners who absolutely do not need a 300 quid sub is undeniable.
This is the thing
@@dh1380 OK, let's not be anecdotal then. According to the ONS' most up to date figures, the median pensioner in the UK has an income of £14,000 after real/notional housing costs. So six million are poorer than that, of which 5 million are now having the fuel payment taken off them. Why does Starmer remind me of Lord Farquaad in Shrek on this issue? "Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"...
@@gordonstrong5232But means testing is expensive..
And Thieves takes 4,400 to heat her 2nd home. What is this govt on????
Pensioners: I’ve seen someone in a council house buying booze and cigs so with their benefits so no one should get them
Also pensioners: GIVE ME MY F*****G HOLIDAY MONEY
Oli needs to hand in his credentials as a Millenial after calling Geri Haliwell "Baby Spice" :D
Heard it and immediately scrolled down to make sure he was pulled up on it. She was of course, Sporty Spice.
/jk
The Spice - Girls / Slipknot mashup is worth a search up on the UA-cams
Unforgivable...😢
@@musicmikemn my comment mentioning a bootleg mashup with a metal band famous for wearing masks was deleted
Is Ed refusing to come on the podcast because he'd have nothing to fiddle with now?
We built the NHS on the back of WW2 but apparently a war on the other side of the world means we can't afford sh*t anymore.
The real reason we can't afford shit any more is because big companies and rich people are running away with all our tax money. Read "The Great Tax Robbery", it's eye-opening!
Totally agree about oldies downsizing. Living in your massive house is *not* a human right. Sell up, so someone else can have a home to bring up their family - it's not your turn anymore! I'd have a second home tax at a million percent, and strong punitive incentives to downsize. And generous benefits for those who need them, versus nothing for those who are sat on £millions of assets.
I'm 65 I have cerebral palsy and my hands and feet are always cold. I worked for Remploy for 28 years. I will not get the Winter Fuel payment as I'm £2 over the limit because of my occupational pension from Remploy.
How did you contribute to a pension for 28 years and not have enough income from that to top yourself up to full state pension amount? You're 7 years short of a full pension. What annunity did you buy that gives you less than £80 a month? It doesn't seem right.
I feel like hearing Ava talk about "Taylor Swifts Red Era" she loses any right to make fun of Eds knowledge of sci-fi / fantasy
On that last argument, I think that you can be respectful of a safe space and still not be a member of the cohort in which it is designed for
yeah, you know you're listening to LBC when people are phoning in to say the most important part of an England football managers job is to sing the national anthem
Of course straight men should be allowed into gay clubs. As a straight female, I used to go to gay clubs in college cuz it was the best place in town to dance. When a woman asked me to dance, I’d say, ‘I’m straight but let’s dance’ and was never refused. Several of the straight men that came with us ended up actually being gay but hadn’t owned it themselves. Every space should be for everyone to learn, enjoy and experience
I totally agree with you and I think with straight women there's a different dynamic but I think the difference is
a) when a group a straight lads go in to hit on girls, it's not about enjoying the music or celebrating the culture...
b) You're right that if a gay woman asks a straight woman to dance, 99% of the time, they'd respond as you did with "I'm straight but let's dance". All very nice and wholesome and friendly....That is very unlikely to happen with most straight guys. Usually when this has happened to me over the years, it's a disgusted look and a "no, fuck off, I'm not queer"
c) I can only speak from the experience as a gay man, but most of time growing up I'd go to a gay club to finally feel at ease and comfortable to be myself and not have the fear I was going to run into any of the straight guys who bullied me and are going to judge me. It means I am now censoring my behaviour to avoid the judgement of others which is exactly what it feels like walking around on a daily basis :D
Also to be clear, if a straight guy is in a group with girls and LGBTQ people, that's an entirely different story. They're already mixing with the community and it's not like there's a test they can do at the door to tell they're straight :D. It's more big groups of obviously straight lads trying to get in to either take the piss or to hit on girls. I worked in a gay bar and this would happen all the time and it became tiring after a while
Every politician should vote based on their own moral standpoint. The whip idea of forcing people to vote in line with the party stance and not their own viewpoint is wrong. Neither the leader nor anyone within the party should be able to bully someone into voting a particular way against their own morality
Tories calling themselves grand wizards seems pretty on brand 🤷♂️
Could you not get black microphone stands? Spray paint them please, awful!
Certainly not, make them bigger I say!
I can’t quite explain why every time Ava said “old bean” it made me giggle
It’s not only the winter fuel it’s food inflation and already advised the new 10% on energy bills. Also increases in pensions has pushed some into paying tax because the personal allowance has not been raised for years.
So the Tories froze tax allowances while increasing pensions with the Triple lock. Do you know which section of the population is the least likely to be living in poverty? According to the Joseph Rowntree foundations latest report. The most likely to be in poverty are children. Followed by working age adults with children. Followed by working age adults and lastly pensioners. That's right. Pensioners are the least likely group to be in poverty.
Why wouldn't they pay tax
@@cheapandtacky3472 "Pensioners are the least likely group to be in poverty." Attacking a vulnerable marginalized group wd mate.
@@archvaldor He's not attacking them at all, and they're not vulnerable or marginalised, they're just old. They got to enjoy the best of society and life, great mortgage rates and everything else they had access to that modern adults can hardly even dream of. They also are the largest bloc for the tories and always have been, they're the reason Tories got in for 14 years straight meaning they're partially responsible for what the Tories did, they're reaping what they sowed. As a relatively young person I will not bring children into the world just so that they starve or face climate disasters, I have to make the moral choice not to have children, even though I've always wanted to be a father, I cannot be responsible for even more children having to suffer the consequences of the older generations' choice. We're allowed to be mad at them, look at where they got us?
Paying tax!?! The horror of it!
Not one discussion point on the fact we shouldn’t be subsidising energy company profits. Energy should be cheap enough that you don’t need a helping hand to pay it. Also where do pensioners get their income from? Perhaps we should look at making sure pensions can pay for the cost of basic living - housing, food, and energy.
Also I loved how Ava schooled Oli “it’s so basic…” 😂
Get Ed under the table holding a dedicated mic for Ava’s stomach 🤣
Good mix between politics and nonsense as always. Keep it up gang
Eva checking her phone while Ollie tries not to cancel himself
Why do i get the feeling that mic setup is supposed to be hanging from the ceiling not sat on the floor?
I have to ask having missed a few weeks what the absolute fuck is going on with the microphones 🎤 🙃.
Thanks so much for that ' short term ' reminder Ollie !!! Just in case we forget ??
I know this is a UK politics pod, but I really enjoy when they discuss U.S. politics once in a while.
I want to point out that Taylor Swift endorsed Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in 2020. So that’s one of the reasons people are wondering why she hasn’t endorsed this time around.
Didn't the Trump campaign falsely claim Swift supported them as well recently and she had to come out and say she didn't?
She has now.. Why does it matter anyway?.. I won't ever let a millionaire tell me who to vote for
Its worth mentioning that Cotopus has actually put their money where their mouth is when it comes to helping seniors with their energy bills, so kudos to them.
my episode review: i laughed out loud twice but i can't remember why. solid 4/5
Good pod, enjoy it more than normal, I think Labour forget that most people newly retired will have probably voted Labour and are only eligible for pension credit if they were born before April 1958 and get less than £218pw , the full state pension is currently £221pw. £300 may not sound much but it pays towards fuel payments the coldest months. These people may have a small private pension income but food costs have doubled and there is no support. People will have to choose between eating and heating, especially those older people who are also disabled.
I always loved it when conservatives said people enjoyed living on the street and wouldn't have it any other way
Ollie's ability to talk through his eyes, 10/10
That mic set up is ridiculous.
I think the idea that Labour want the poorest pensioners to claim pension credit guarantee if they aren't rather than giving a blanket increase in Winter Fuel Payment is to help with wealth distribution. If they claim their Pension Credit, they also get help towards their healthcare as well. It makes sure the money goes to the poorest pensioners, not just all pensioners regardless of wealth
Here's my comment -> Top notch podcasting.
Oli needs to pay reparations for calling Geri Halliwell baby spice
I liked the bit when he said "bish bash bosh"
What about the rest of it?
@@nathanaelsmith3553 That was okay too, but as a big PolJoe fan I like to damn with faint praise.
@@CityOfTinyLines I find them sufficient
42:30 Oli Dugmore, do you think Halliwell is Baby Spice? Mate... Some real J.S. Durden "I don't know about low culture" vibes here
The fact you can actually hear avas tummy rumbles is hilarious
Oli's look to camera at 43:54 had me howling with laughter :D
I didn't realise that wearing brown shoes with jeans was an indicator of a person's heterosexuality!
Not all pensioners vote con , we have had a lifetime of experience !!!
why does anyone care who Swift supports? people need to stop basing who they vote for off a celebrity
Loads of people are stupid, and they all vote, so...
100% agree. I said this to friends of mine recently. Who cares if Swift is liberal, conservative, libertarian etc. She is a country/pop singer. If you need musicians to tell you who to vote for, you probably shouldn't be voting.
Politicians care, because she commands an army of millions of slavish fans who'll basically do whatever she tells them to do. That's a significant force, even if it's a bit dumb on the part of her fans.
I agree but it isn’t just the voting. I don’t want to give money to a person with horrible beliefs. Also she is a billionaire who could be donating to the party.
gotta get rid of the mic arms my dudes. nasty things.
From personal experience straight women in gay bars are more of a problem than straight men (though I suspect lesbians may have to opposite experience) - it's rarely talked about but it's rediculously common for gay men to be SA'd by straight women in gay bars, often times with even the victim feeling obliged to 'laugh it off'.
its mad coz its taken all press away from anything good they have done. n more private companys deciding peoples fate seems mad
This whole fiasco is just typical Starmer. He can never admit he is in the wrong. He can never say I got it wrong, and we saw this with the infamous radio interview where he said it was right to cut water and fuel and medical supplies off from Gaza.
"Should the gays have a safe space ?" Well I mean shouldn't they be safe everywhere ?
Hearing that tummy rubble through the mic lol
Ava's tummy wants to be audio engineer for PolJoe
Private flight tax would target the wealthy and hopefully reduce emissions.
Day 53 of asking for a production team microphone
Try telling ppl that 13k is a lot compared to 5k or even 0k but they wont have it.
At 4:53 the phrase "you pint of milk'd him" is used and I have no idea what that means, can someone explain?
"The price of milk question is a tactic for gauging political candidates' familiarity with the lives of ordinary voters in the United States and the United Kingdom is to ask them to name the price of everyday items such as bread and especially milk.[1]"
So in this example, it was a kind of calling of a bluff, exposing the outrage of a caller re: the national anthem to be hypocritical/out of touch - if they were so convinced of the importance of the anthem, they should know it well enough to be able to quote the second verse.
@@ericaceous1652 oh yes of course! I saw a video of Bill Gates trying to guess how much ordinary stuff costs. I've heard it spoken about in detail but never heard it used as a verb "to pint of milk". Thanks for clearing that up lol
This minor bumming to pensioners now, is nothing compared to the absolute hell I hope they place on the highest owners and big businesses... Its all about laying the groundwork to do big damage and sort this country one!
I guess they haven’t heard of the “Log Cabin Republicans”…
Advocating things that are Green Party policy but no coverage of Green Party Conference. You'll be retweeting stats of how often Reform has been on Question Time compared to the Greens, then send a journalist to cover Reform's conference but not the Greens? Come on guys give us a call.
Tbh, the only interesting thing from it would be if the stance on nuclear power changed.
As a straight guy I find the drink prices put me off going to gay clubs.
@17:40 that's bullshit. The money for unclaimed pension credit has already been budgeted for. It's ringfenced. It's effectively just sitting in government coffers waiting to be claimed and can't be spent on anything else so cutting winter fuel payment will save that billion pounds.
But I guess the point is if it's not spent because 800k odd pensioners have not claimed it historically it remains on the P&L sheet and will now be spent. I thought the government was specifically about balancing the books.
@FRU.No.1 what I'm saying is that the unclaimed pension credit money has effectively already been spent
Vibe wise I dont think Starmer's party has yet earned the right to take money off people. They should do some popular things before they do such unpopular things. Or look like a bunch of R-👣.
36:59 love when Ava does her impression of Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tennessee)
Oli thinks Geri Halliwell is Baby Spice?!
If we can means test benefits for those under 65, we can also means test benefits for those over 65.
47:02 we cannot police people and make people prove their LGBTQIA status. As a bi woman, I want a safe space, why do cis straight people go their, to sight see, they see us as entertainment, hence why large groups of hen parties go. But clubs make loads of money from them
Sastre (tailor) / Taylor (Taylor)
good podcasting.
>Oli trying to downplay Politics Live because Ava's on it and not hin
More robot arms please xx
My pronoun is beer 😂
This was adequate. Thanks
Ditch the mikes
GINGER SPICE OLI! God damnit, get some journalistic integrity
Maybe T Swift is not endorsing either candidate due to their recent politics? Only saying
I think it's telling that Ava and to a lesser extent Olli worry over a few negative Tweets because people have misinterpreted a statement, however are perfectly comfortable decrying Starmer's lack of leadership, when in actual fact he is showing real leadership and not capitulating and taking the easy populist choices...
Folks, as a middle-aged chappy, I have to call out the comment at the 19m mark. Yes it is true that if the 800k people not claiming pension credit do so to get WFA then it is cost neutral. Take a step back, it means that the most in need get pension credit and therefore WFA but it also means that those who don’t need WFA don’t. It is redistribution 101. The real question is that if the Treasury know 800k don’t claim pension credit then just give it them by default and the problem disappears; government can then get on with balancing the book elsewhere having redistributed in some way.
The national anthem needs to include wade's smelly wellies plus the guy was funny lookin.
Don't like the idea any group shouldn't buy a ticket amd attend something for who they are.
Who cares about Taylor swift people do not even know who she is outside of USA.
Dunno about that mate
Taylor chat is literally unbearable
Wealthy pensioners are many.
I don't understand why we have to do tax/benefits based on income total rather than setting like the top 1% get this the top 9% (after the one) get taxed this much or hey this much in benefits and those making this much as a % of where they fall compared to everyone else
😂😂😂😂 improves sound quality.... proceeds to ruin the aesthetic
spanish speakers are coming to take those microphones away
Labour being more conservative than the Conservatives.
Yeah right. You know what Conservative is not this pathetic. Conservative is for our uk nation not Anti-British Starmer ruthless unelected Starmer.
If I had installed shitty microphone arms like that. I would expect to get sacked. Have some pride!
My dad is approaching pension age. My parents are fairly well off moreso than during my childhood, I just moved out. There are a lot of pensioners who are well off, they’re the boomer generation, they’re not the feeble old people who lived through the war anymore. As mentioned there are many who are very well off. Yes there are many who are not and thus means tested allowance should be made I think. But I agree that this is an odd group to go after, it isn’t a situation of the trade unions get money and they don’t, both could, it is a choice. Why not go after tax fraud, why not big business? No Starmer is sending a message and it think this is a miss, he will be known as the PM who caused old people to freeze to dead (hyperbolicly) we saw this with the child benefits. It is austerity but with a new lick of paint. He is choosing to go after them. Yes they have been the most well off generation, but they represent a fear of younger people, of working hard and wasting our youth to be comfortable in old age, only to have it taken from us, it’s evocative,
Is the “Taylor Swift becoming a Republican” bit just clickbait? That’s blatantly not true
There's some people on twitter talking about her being friends with and hugging Brittany Mahomes who is a Trump supporter or something
@@POLESTAR757 I saw something about that, but how does that equate to her becoming a Republican? I assume it’s meant to be some dumb joke. Feel like if you look at the makeup of her fanbase, plus literally every political opinion she’s ever expressed, there’s no way anybody could come to that conclusion haha
@danrattigan96 I think poljoe are joking but the people on twitter aren't (it's twitter they're all insane) and no it certainly doesn't make you a republican
Saved me watching today's episode tbh. Not a fan of crappy clickbait stuff like this. You're a news show FFS!
Trump is using AI photos implying that Taylor supported him. Google it. It smacks of huge desperation.
I mean if Labour can break the back of the idea that pensioners are some sort of sacred protected class of people who can never be legislated against then I'm all for it. Most of them don't need it and the ones that do will still get it.
YES I HATE OLD PEOPLE TOO.SCROUNGERS!!
Your views on old people downsizing, every single one of those points that both of you brought up are the same ones Destiny uses.
Black out the fucking mic arms I stg. It would not look so ridiculous then :) xxx
Gaffa em at least
Oli mate, stop doing the radio voice on this podcast. It's jarring and out of place
My question is. Do we still need a large and active military or a smaller more effiecent strike force style one. The era of large conflicts is mostly over with missels and drones etc becoming the majority of the way nations deliver death. As well as nuclear armament, it's not a secret that these will never be used as it is a bad idea and a full blown war crime. May we need them for planetary defence ? maybe however other technologies are avalible now and england alone spends alot to keep our nukes which just seems like a money pit at this point.
That money could then be used on our nation and to equip our smaller more effiecent military force better as well as flow to other sectors.
I maybe naive and not taking into account current wars and how close europe is to all out war but large scale weapons like nukes will never be used and if they are we are all dead anyway.
no ed noooo
If enough eligible pensioners aren't claiming pension credit, then that's something that really needs to be addressed.
If the winter fuel allowance being taken away from some covers the increased cost of giving money to those that qualify and haven't yet taken up their entitlement, then that sounds good to me. A wash for the treasury, but better direction of funds to the most needy.
The Winter fuel payment was a universal benefit,universal benefits add to social cohesion,a sense of belonging its much like the state pension.
I agree with your sentiment. However, when young people are going to be poorer than thier parents, I think it's reasonable that winter fuel payments are means tested. Public services were severely underfunded under the Tories. Money needs to come from somewhere...
@@RationalAUS Reeves could have taxed the wfa or based it on peoples council tax banding.
Did you's just pronounce weans as we'unns?
I always get the impression that oli smells of stale farts and cigarettes .
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