MPs' second jobs and gifts revealed, and prison overcrowding | Podcast #86
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- The boys are back in town on what would be the goat Phil Lynott's 75th birthday.
Today we're chatting about the release of the MP register of interests, where gifts, donations and second jobs were laid bare.
Then we chat prison overcrowding, and the morality of locking people up for tweeting.
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Ed's insane argument. "As long as I think they are good blokes (they have an effective PR dept), they should be able to shower politicians in freebies (aka bribes)." Sorry Ed. You are dead wrong on this one.
To be honest this is Ed's take on pretty much everything. It's the same from who he thinks has the right to protest, to what MPs are allowed to say to each other, to what football teams should chant. Ultimately he's very wedded to his biases position and approaches issues from the perspective of whos team he's on.
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I think Oli misses the point here at the 40 minute mark, that the lady wasn't just saying to blow the mosque up (which you might construe as a deeply hateful and racist but purely symbolic expression of anger), she was denigrating the efforts of the community in coming together to repair the damage done, and explicitly said to blow the mosque up "with the adults inside" - she wasn't just being racist, she explicitly was calling for murder. I think that should be treated with far, far more gravity, especially - as Oli said - given the context it was said in.
People were afraid to leave their homes. It totally changed the mindsets of many, many people in this country, about whether or not they're safe in their own homes anymore. These words have consequences. I'm glad these people who thought they were safe causing other people danger faced consequences of their own.
Being an MP is the second job for many of them
"Pay the MPs more"? they are already paid a salary which is in the top 5% of UK earners. That they're not in the top 1% should not be a disincentive to holding public office.
I mean, do we want competent and experienced people to run the country? Then we need to compensate them "fairly". I'm not saying to pay millions like Chief Execs in private industry get because public service and duty should count for something. However, pay peanuts, get monkeys. I would consider top 5% of pay peanuts in this context when you are literally looking for people to hold the highest offices in the country.
They’re not paid that well for London but their expenses cover a lot of living costs I guess.
I’d pay them a lot more (easily double) but have severe financial restrictions on the rest of the lives.
No landlords, at most you can own 1 house including immediate family.
No second jobs, get the BMA and legal profession to help former MPs back into those professions.
Massive restrictions on what jobs they can do after being an MP.
@@musicmikemnproblem with this argument is, unlike roles in the job market, politicians arent selected with qualifications, specialties, and work trials, they are public figures who get elected based on personality or party affiliation - I dont have an answer for what system would be perfect, I must say Im not actually against MPs having second jobs in that I tink it keeps them grounded and gaining experience and representative - although the potential for corruption may outweigh that benefit
Yeah but they're also expected to live and work in London, and the wealth inequality in this country is such that being in the top 5% nationally gets you surprisingly little in the capital city.
@@Munkenbanot all MPs are expected to be in London 24/7, they are supposed to be in their constituencies then go down to Parliament to represent them every so often. So really they just need travel and accommodation covered while going to London.
27:33 the first place i worked was a major oil company that had a blanket no gifts or gratuities policy. We couldnt even accept a pen from a supplier or customer. Why should politicians be any different. Its a conflict of interest.
There’s a story at my workplace about someone getting in trouble for having accepted a wheel of cheese as gratuity. Hilarious that MP’s are held to a far lower standard.
If they're gonna have second jobs then being an MP should be voluntary unpaid work. They should want to serve their community for the sake of serving it
"Pay the MPs more!"
But they'll never be paid £1m so Farage etc will still be tempted by media offers. Just force them to serve their constituency by having mandatory attendence in Westminster & their wards.
It's got a Lot more silly again since Olly has got back. I am unsure, I quite like the sensible discourse we got a for a while. 😂
i was damn disapointed when i saw these two again. i liked the real news for a bit....
The real question is; what jobs can an mp do that don’t conflict with their duties? Either through the required hours and/or conflicts of interest. It’ll be a short list of acceptable second jobs.
I like how the pod got on with answering the real question: Hobby horse or stick 😆
India may have more MPs, but the states have their own legislatures with many more representatives
Day 48 of asking for a production team microphone
MPs shouldn’t be able to accept any hospitality or gifts over say £20 fo they can have a pen or refreshment’s at a meeting but not football or concert tickets or fancy dinners and everything needs to be declared. I work in the financial services and we have to declare everything.
We'd all like to avoid giving Farage and his Ilk a penny, but elected offices should be paid sufficient that they can do their job full time without additional income. With cost of living that isn't cheap, but we are further entrenching the class system if only the rich can afford to *be* MPs without taking time away from being an MP for a second job.
Yeah always great when the MPs who earn 90k+ get freebies and expenses paid when most of the country is struggling to pay basic bills and are in poverty. GOOOOD STUFF
I’d reckon Oli has nicked that shirt from an 80s fashionista
Gives a cheeky peek at his chest tat though
2nd jobs only outside mp hrs. wich shud be more than 9-5
all 2nd jobs conflict if ur doing that instead of ur dutys
Kier must be buying Elton John's old glam glasses.
"political bribery and corruption is fine if it is a ngo doing it" thickest Ed take, and there are plenty of shit takes to choose from🤦
American here. You need Ava on these podcasts. Her analysis of Westminster is educational and to the point. Now, we all know you will not criticize the current government, but Ava’s explaining the process of governance is still illuminating.
I don’t particularly have a problem with paying MPs more if the aim is to get better candidates - I understand that an individual would be less likely to become an MP if they could get more money elsewhere - but you have to stop them having second jobs, being able to claim seemingly unlimited expenses and accepting money/freebies (unless a doctor etc for the reasons discussed).
Scottish ticket inspectors are so much more chill than English ticket inspectors
This is absurd. if you take hospitality/gifts/bribes its corrupt, its all attempted influence, no one can be totally immune, and you have to design a system for people not acting honorably. ALL gifts/hospitality etc should be banned. When i worked at a local council we could not accept a bottle of wine or a box of chocolates at christmas.....because it may appear dodgy.
I think we should just ban politicians from becoming MPs. It'd solve everything! 😂
I’m no legal expert, so correct me if I’m wrong, but “verbally expressing racism” would legally depend on whether it’s harassment (or incitement).
For example, Marker Hester saying Diane Abbott “wants to make [him] hate all black people” is horrendous and racist, but technically legal (I think?); however, when he continued and said she “should be shot”… that’s clear incitement of violence.
Oli’s mates dad is James O’Brien
Fr?
@@TheWaveGoodbye-Music FR he only got the LBC gig because O’Brien ragged him around Kidderminster Goodfellas-style as a boy 🚘
Fam, you can't just tease the cockfighting chat and then duck out. Rude. ಠ_ಠ
Wouldn’t the proper turn of phrase be to “chicken out”
@@Hi-fd4cw it's funnier but I don't think Ed is a complete coward..
I think one MP per 103,000 people is if anything a paltry ratio. I think if you make the HoL a Party list system then draw ministers directly from that and split MPs between constituency work and sitting in the house full-time maybe that ratio is a good one but when they have potential Ministerial posts 2nd jobs legislative and constituency casework. Then I'd potentially argue there aren't enough MPs.
Ed tactically leaving himself open for free tickets from the FA, very clever.
I think when it comes to sentences for inciting hate/violence, the reason that these sentences make sense (not necessarily saying they're justifiable) is that social ostracisation and taking their jobs off them doesn't work for an awful lot of people people convinced to make such vile statements...because they're surrounded by people who agree with them, and they don't work in professional organisations that give a shit whether they've posted inflammatory statements online. So what are we left with, if we want in the short term, to stop them doing that?
The long term solution to me is not criminalisation, but to give these people something else to think about - something to hope for. A lot of these people have nothing to lose, and so it's easy both to cajole them into being violent (either physically or talking about it) and to convince them that if we just get rid of all the X, Y, Z people it'll be better cause they've been left behind.
Rather than Labour climbing on a high horse about this, their response should be to start making everyone - including these disenfranchised white working/benefits class folks lives better. It might not sound appealing as a response, because we are angry, and scared, and the actions of these people disgust us. But we have to choose, do we want to be right, and feel like those who are wrong have been punished...or do we want to stop something like this happening again?
Lawyers? Hell no. Cox is my MP and he just stays in the Bahamas or doing his first job defending corrupt people in the courts.
"Yeah India's bigger" got me good
Did Ed get his Carhartt shirt from the logging camp?
The poliyannish faith in the good motives of the FA is interesting. For examples of how evil sports governance can get, see that BBC guy who's banned from FIFA, the whole collapse of Blatterism in the 10s, and all the mad stuff that has gone down at the IOC down the years. If John Oliver has done bits about it, it's hardly obscure.
As an outisde observer, the tobacco lobbying was also unlikely t have been "free cigarettes". Consider anywhere advertising from the lobbyist might appear, and then consider that that sponsorship will come with free tickets, which are a target entertainment opportunity. So Philip Morris/Malboro would have been able to take people to see Ferrari race cars, the betting companies will have free sports event tickets, and so on. Sir Keir's love for football and willingness to accept hospitality gives anyone with their name on a shirt the chance to attempt influence. Allegedly.
from the embassy to the sea, Clacton will be free.
Boys, boys, boys!!!
There’s also the issue of say if your husband is part of an arms producer and you become PM
Pay them more but if you need to work to maintain licenses it should be pro bono.
ACAB definitely includes ticket inspectors.
The Prime Minister is invited to the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.
'Sorry I can't accept, you might be trying to influence our policy' 😢
The Royal British Legion might be lobbying to allow Necromancy? 😮
If someone can't afford to live on an MPs salary, they should go find another job and let real people do the job.
Not often you see Oli absolutely demolish and Ed opinion :D
Ollie thinks that inciting violence/hatred in a “time of relative peace” shouldn’t be illegal…?
Ed's argument is so odd. Public opinion of a company is so skewered from the reality of a company. People favour companies like apple, but they do a bunch of shady shit that the public dont know. Also making an independent body to access which companies are "ok" to take "gifts" from is just a waste of taxpayer money and time. Just ban all forms of lobbying. Also i think that if MPs want a second job, then thats fine. But the second job cant conflict with MPs duties, nor can the influence the public in an "outside" perspective like TV/News
_Grifts and Gifts 2: Dishonourable Discharge (of Duties)_
Love the podcast it’s a wonderful part of my routine
Please shave Ed
Although Ed is definitely wrong, I get where he's coming from.
Because of the 'national theatre', 'non-profit' & 'publically supporting the country's football industry' points, football tickets do feel fairer than the personal value gain of £1000s of clothes on his literal back.
Taking it to extremes, should the PM pay for a factory tour when visiting places? Because I would get personal value out of that tour and I would have to pay as a memeber of the public.
(But definitely I do think Ed is wrong, and football tickets to big events is lobbying)
Free all the horticulturalists.
The question is, does Lee Anderson actually know how to write?
Is it okay to put timestamps on the video please?
Is it an issue that Oli has a second job at LBC?
As someone who works in major trauma, you can definitely receive a fatal injury (normally head) from falling off a scooter. Electric or not!
Are the FA not a private company? Is it not a profit based company?
What is ed talking about?
Well I believe it's a not for profit organisation who are supposed to reinvest all revenue back into all levels of football and promote the game.
So it dose feel quite different than just a regular for profit private company and I guess more down the end of a charitable organisation.
I've been away, popped pj on and wow, you look buff. Thx guys
If you support Farage, people pointing out that he is in America isn't going to put you off because it's summer recess and lots of MP's are currently on holiday. People complaining about Nigel being away but not any other MP feeds into the narrative that Nigel is anti establishment which he likes and helps grow his support. And his monthly earnings being greater than the prime ministers is more embarrassing for Kier Stammer than Nigel Farage.
Why has Ollie nicked a fat blokes polo shirt?
Pay MPs more and ban second jobs. Shouldn't even be a debate. Total conflict of interest.
You shouldn't have a Celtic season ticket and be an MP
It’s perverse, but I’d like to see a book by Suella Braverman. I’d settle for a memoir, but I really want her to take a crak at the YA or high fantasy genre. It’d be so bad it could be good.
yeah i mean you could send them here (australia) its not the worst idea, "its never been tried before"
Is Ed getting free football tickets from the FA? I'm just asking questions
35:44 why dont we ask rwanda if they have spare prison capacity. Or some other country. I bet they can store prisoners cheaper than we can.
Clacton on Embassy
I don't really get the aversion to charging people differently if they hate preach on social media? If Jane gets up on a podium in Southport and successfully incites a race riot, advocating for violence and even murder, why would a similarly successful attempt to do this on social media be any more okay?
Its not like this would be fine if you printed it on leaflets and posted it through people's doors?
Oli never heard of just hiding in the toilet? Whats this climbing into the luggage rack nonsense xD
A warhorse has a lot more inertia than a lime scooter, would make for shit jousting i reckon
Curry favour as the FA before you destroy english football, and use up all the favours to continue to destroy english football!
Win win!
Me at 18:16- "omfg shut up about hobby horse bollocks and talk about politics ffs"
45:14 I think it's a mistake to talk about people expressing bigoted (and often violently bigoted) views as if they've simply been led astray by new or legacy media or the political class: firstly, I think it risks turning people with sincere - but totally abhorrent - views into victims of manipulation ("where did they get them from"), and secondly I think it's not supported by the fact that the whole of the UK is saddled with a RW media landscape that normalises hatred and freely employs dehumanising and violent rhetoric, but plenty of places didn't see riots or 'protests'. I think it makes more sense not to focus on the purveyors of hate (whose influence is truly nation-wide) but on the minority of people that ultimately adopted the hatred.
Tl;dr, why did only parts of England and Northern Ireland see rioting when the whole of the UK shares a vile media that proliferates bigotry?
If you have a job that pays £1M and a job that pays £71k - it’s obvious which one is the ‘second job’!
This is how it should be referred to.
Unwatchable. Channel ditched permanently.
Rees-smug gets nearly £325,000 from the Great British Nazi channel, didn't really need that pittance he got as an MP. Which is lucky.
the bitterness from corbyn will never fade, talking about starmer being given tickets to matches by the fa to represent the country, then saying yes but imagine if a scary gambling company had gifted that ticket. Oh yes imagine
Stop laughing at your own jokes and get to the feckin point
Ed emulating his compatriot Craig Ferguson 🫡
With regards to "should racism be illegal", the thing that has to be remembered that racism in itself is a violent act.
It seems from the belief that one race is superior to another and has a history worth of dead at the hands of that belief.
It's important to treat racism as a violent act because its aim is to dehumanise a group of people.