.308 Win is a very accurate cartridge and it is arguably the parent cartridge of the 6.5CM. We all know that another rifle of the exact same model might shoot quite differently with the same ammo. I don't think it's fair to assume that one cartridge is more accurate than another... but it's fair to assume that the shooter may be more accurate with one cartridge based on recoil sensitivity or just plain bias.
@@Gunner70-fe8ji That's why I threw in the "arguably" part. Although the 6.5CM was developed by Hornady from the ground up, the ground was the .471 base of the .308 Win... which of course is the 30.06 in a short action. To avoid a hundred different bolt face diameters, most new cartridges are designed with that idea in mind. We tend to refer to parent cases as those which were necked up or down from that parent cartridge to create a different caliber from it. That is not the case with the .308/6.5 because they are not the same length, but they do share the same bottom half. It's a pretty loose allegation to say that the .308 is big daddy to the 6.5CM but head stamp aside, you need to turn them face up to tell which is which.
A .006" difference of your best groups between two calibers in my opinion isn't definitive proof that the 6.5 is superior to the .308. A .006" spread could be the difference you'd see day to day, or you could just call it favoritism or recoil sensitivity. But I call it click bait.
Hey Robo Dabo, yeah forbthe best group it's not particularly indicative. But for the groups in general you have a better chance of finding a compatible ammo with the 6.5 than the .308. From the perspective of a shooter who buys a new gun would you rather have to buy 10 different boxes to find one that shoots 0.5" or would you preffer build 5? That's more what I'm saying.
@@EpikArmsto be fair I have 2 tikkas, one 6.5 and 1 308. My 6.5 has an edge with handloads but the 308 ate all the factory I fed it and was about 3/4 moa with everything and no point of impact shift from 150gr to 180gr in 8 different loads. The 6.5 stomps the 308 past 800m tho. Long story short, buy a tikka.
@@yourface3154The rifle in question is in the same price range as most tikkas making them comparable. As far as spelling goes, my "incorrect spelling" is to save time typing on my phone. Congrats on being a prude though.
im really impressed with the features. detachable mag, paddle mag release , fluted barrel with threaded and brake. cheek piece. low butt stock , cerakote. these would put a custom rifle in the 2500+ price point. i just might need one
Ruger comes out with several firearms that I would LOVE to own. Purchased a GP-100 stainless 357 mag shortly after intro and it was a great way to initially introduce myself to Ruger. New American gen ll bolt gun looks good enough to buy, not rich so had to sell my GP-100 to upgrade to a 44 mag S&W model 629. 😢
I was subscribed to your channel and some how I got unsubscribed not by my doing and I didn’t see any of your videos for some time. Glad your channel popped back up again so I resubscribed.
Glad to have a Canadian youtuber introducing rifles. Just plan to purchase a rifle and can't wait for your next video. Could you also talk about the new Savage 110 Trail Hunter?
Just make sure that you choose the CORRECT amount if you are using the 6.5 creedmore. Stay away from Long Range ammo in the 6.5 and stop shooting past 300 with it. Guess which caliber has tracking dogs called out most of the time?
I have tracked more deer shot with a 6.5 than a .308 for farther distances. Not sure why, may be the confidence that some noobies have with the hyped up capabilities of the 6.5, and their shooting capabilities, or something other? Will stick with the 308 all day, larger bullet face anyway.
I do believe the 6.5 creedmoor with its tighter chamber design is more accurate overall. I don't think there is much question at this point. But I wish we would get to the point where rifle reviews would do more extended tests that were statistically significant. Just because you got a single sub moa group from a particular load is completely meaningless. The next group could be 2" for all we know. You really need 7-10 3 shot groups before you have enough data to know for sure. Each shot will end up randomly anywhere within the "cone of fire".
7 to 10 3 shot group sounds good but you do know what the price of 6.5 creedmoor and other ammo is right now ? when your doing 8 to 10 different types of ammo. do the math. your talking 30 rounds per brand. at 6 to 10 differnet brands. 300 rounds. @ say 60 dollars a box of 20. i know i cant afford that !
@@UltimateArms I hear you. Yeah, I know ammo is expensive for sure. So are rifles. These reviews help people pick their next rifle. Without the right data, though, they really have no idea how it really shoots. I wonder who the first reviewer to capitalize on this will be. See the hornady podcast "your groups are too small".
@@elkhuntr2816 i reviewed it. awhile back. good rifle for the price. and yes it shoots. for something that is going to be used say once a year for hunting, it does the job well
@@yourface3154 hornady precision hunter 143 in canada $62.00. nosler 140 match $67.95 a box of 20. most 308 is cheaper to buy then 6.5 creedmoor now adays!
I’ve been your channel subscriber for more than a year, I really enjoy your contents. As a fan of your channel, why do not start the shooting competition content? Like 1000 meter shooting challenge with your channel subscribers. Like Canadian version. Anyhow I always enjoy your videos!!
Having not seen your channel before, I have to ask: which way were your targets oriented? I ask because most of the rounds seem to be spread in one direction but I can't tell if it's windage/trigger discipline or cartridge/breathing discipline.
have you seen the 6.5 Creedmor gen II but the predator? if so,let me know please what do you thing,because thinking about to get one. please let me know. thanks.
Don’t buy ONE, but BUY TWO of them , in EACH caliber! I did something similar with a 308 and 6.5 Needmore. Both heavy barreled long range rigs mounted with Bushy HDMR2 3-21x50mm scopes with H59 reticles. Peace Be The Journey! Alex, big thanks for,those 4 x Discovery Scopes at my Garrison Petawawa PR Matches. People love ya!
I think those difference are so little that not worth the argument special in hunting. Also believe most the people own both calibers anyway.. I love your channel man! Keep up👍🏻
The 6.5CM is not the end all / be all of hunting, shooting or accuracy. Neither is the 308, so finding the ammo that matches the gun is vitally important. The judging of 6.5CM would have been better done against the 7mm08, since they bullet weights and caliber match much more closely. Set the triggers (if adjustable) to similar poundage. In this test you will find the better BC of 6.5GM bullets helps in the long range testing (300-500m) and the 7mm08 will win the energy competition in the short range. Then there is always the variance between guns due to manufacturing tolerances. Maybe you should buy 3 guns in each caliber and cross compare them to see which ones win the consistence competition... I don't have the money to do that, but I'm sure the mfgs would love you for it... 😂 I still shoot a 243 and a 25.06 for my hunting, but I do limit my distance to 400m or less, and I prefer much less... like I don't think I've had to shoot a deer over 125yds living in MT and now in PA...
That Winchester ammo proves why 3 shot groups are not proper accuracy testing. The 4th shot basically doubles the group size. If I shot 3 shot groups on most of my rifles with good ammo/hand loads I could get .50 moa on a consistent basis.
Hey Bmstyle, yes thats quite true. And a 3 shot group or even a 2 shot group can easily shot a incompatible ammo with a rifle. Although going for more than 3 can lead to barrel warming up and groups opening up. It's a bit of a catch 22
my tikka .308 with the norma whitetail 180gr factory ammo shoots cloverleaf groups @ 100meters, that is truly great ammo! same results in my tikka 3006 with the norma whitetail 180gr! did you use norma 180 gr in that ruger american?
We just bought the 243 and have problems with it. Not feeding and not closing the bolt with a shell.. Not sure what is going on but gotta send it back. We wish we wouldn’t have got this at this point.
I bought a Ruger american gen 1 that would not chamber a 243 cartridge. I found out it was the cartridge. It was a HSM 243 95 gr deer catcher. I sold the rifle anyway. The same cartridges did not work in Savage apex predator.
@ I received the 243 gen 2 gun back from Ruger and it chambers fine now. They sent a letter saying they fixed the head space. I went to the range yesterday and it ran flawlessly. It is also very accurate and I’m happy!
Regarding the accuracy differences between the 308 and 6.5 CM, no offense but those groups suck, especially when those two calibers are known for long range accuracy! I have the Ruger Gen II in 350 Legend, which is strictly a deer and hog gun effective to 200yds max, but mine is topped with a Leupold Vx-Freedom 2-7X33 scope with Warne rings. Shooting at 100yds using Winchester copper impact 150gr will produce a 4 shot group that can be covered with a nickel, and the Hornady Black 150 gr and Winchester white box 145 gr (target round) groups are only slightly larger. Both the 308 and 6.5 CM are way more flatter shooting cartridges than the 350 legend and at more than twice the distance. My point being, is you need to send those rifles back to Ruger, either that or you have something going on with the scope you are using.
@Trinitystillmyname personally no. This rifle in Canada is about 1000 and a chassis is about over 500-650 and the barrel is a bit on the skinny side. I'd recommend a bergara b14 hmr
Very God grups are around 1 inch. But i want under 1/3 Moa and its very very hard. Never got there i have sako 85 black bear fluted beral but 5 shoot under 1 Moa yes. But not under 1/2 Moa. Need to try hornady pouder. I go whit the 178gr eld x .whit 36 gr N130 pauder.
95% of shooters arent going to put 2500 rounds throught a rifle especially a hunting rifle like this. competitive shooters arent going to care about barrel life. more of them have the budget to just replace the barrel or are sponsored so they arent paying anyway.
You are actually comparing calibers, but really, should be comparing Ballistic Coefficients. the bullets themselves. Nothing to do with the case or caliber.
He seemed to shoot ok with the right ammo. I knew someone that shot .2” MOA out to 1000yrds… im sure he could say (though he wouldn’t because he was a very humble guy) you were a bad shot. And 6.5 ballistics coefficient is better than .308, and deals with windage better as well, however sub 500 yards the .308 carries more knock-down power… better for hunting especially larger game.
Relax bud, this is an example of one amongst other's that I've done. But since you likely think the contrary. Let's hear your data. How many .308 do you own vs 6.5's?
@@EpikArms It's ok man, I have a milpsec 18" .308 that is fairly on point, costs too much to shoot. Just bought a Ruger American Gen 2 .308, haven't sighted it in yet, costs too much to shoot. xD
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.308 Win is a very accurate cartridge and it is arguably the parent cartridge of the 6.5CM. We all know that another rifle of the exact same model might shoot quite differently with the same ammo. I don't think it's fair to assume that one cartridge is more accurate than another... but it's fair to assume that the shooter may be more accurate with one cartridge based on recoil sensitivity or just plain bias.
I agree, except the part about the 308 being the parent cartridge of the 6.5 CM, that is absolutely false!
@@Gunner70-fe8ji That's why I threw in the "arguably" part. Although the 6.5CM was developed by Hornady from the ground up, the ground was the .471 base of the .308 Win... which of course is the 30.06 in a short action. To avoid a hundred different bolt face diameters, most new cartridges are designed with that idea in mind. We tend to refer to parent cases as those which were necked up or down from that parent cartridge to create a different caliber from it. That is not the case with the .308/6.5 because they are not the same length, but they do share the same bottom half. It's a pretty loose allegation to say that the .308 is big daddy to the 6.5CM but head stamp aside, you need to turn them face up to tell which is which.
@CplSkiUSMC 30 TC is the parent case
A .006" difference of your best groups between two calibers in my opinion isn't definitive proof that the 6.5 is superior to the .308. A .006" spread could be the difference you'd see day to day, or you could just call it favoritism or recoil sensitivity. But I call it click bait.
Hey Robo Dabo, yeah forbthe best group it's not particularly indicative. But for the groups in general you have a better chance of finding a compatible ammo with the 6.5 than the .308.
From the perspective of a shooter who buys a new gun would you rather have to buy 10 different boxes to find one that shoots 0.5" or would you preffer build 5? That's more what I'm saying.
Also its 60 thou, not 6 thou?
@@EpikArmsto be fair I have 2 tikkas, one 6.5 and 1 308. My 6.5 has an edge with handloads but the 308 ate all the factory I fed it and was about 3/4 moa with everything and no point of impact shift from 150gr to 180gr in 8 different loads. The 6.5 stomps the 308 past 800m tho. Long story short, buy a tikka.
@@dantep5570 This is a budget rifle. Also can't take someone seriously, that cannot spell though, correctly.
@@yourface3154The rifle in question is in the same price range as most tikkas making them comparable. As far as spelling goes, my "incorrect spelling" is to save time typing on my phone. Congrats on being a prude though.
im really impressed with the features. detachable mag, paddle mag release , fluted barrel with threaded and brake. cheek piece. low butt stock , cerakote. these would put a custom rifle in the 2500+ price point. i just might need one
Ruger comes out with several firearms that I would LOVE to own. Purchased a GP-100 stainless 357 mag shortly after intro and it was a great way to initially introduce myself to Ruger. New American gen ll bolt gun looks good enough to buy, not rich so had to sell my GP-100 to upgrade to a 44 mag S&W model 629. 😢
Great job! Hopefully you can do a RA 22 ARC video soon 🙂
.308 is cheaper in us amd you can use nato 762 to get some trigger time
I was subscribed to your channel and some how I got unsubscribed not by my doing and I didn’t see any of your videos for some time. Glad your channel popped back up again so I resubscribed.
Welcome back!
Do the browning x-bolt 2 speed bolt-action rifle next.
Glad to have a Canadian youtuber introducing rifles. Just plan to purchase a rifle and can't wait for your next video. Could you also talk about the new Savage 110 Trail Hunter?
@@jimzhang2562 haven't put the groups through it yet. Just did the rem 700 adl
Just make sure that you choose the CORRECT amount if you are using the 6.5 creedmore. Stay away from Long Range ammo in the 6.5 and stop shooting past 300 with it. Guess which caliber has tracking dogs called out most of the time?
Plus one on that. If I might add that if you take a 300 yd shot and miss the vitals, now that deer has a 300 yd head start.
I have tracked more deer shot with a 6.5 than a .308 for farther distances. Not sure why, may be the confidence that some noobies have with the hyped up capabilities of the 6.5, and their shooting capabilities, or something other? Will stick with the 308 all day, larger bullet face anyway.
I do believe the 6.5 creedmoor with its tighter chamber design is more accurate overall. I don't think there is much question at this point. But I wish we would get to the point where rifle reviews would do more extended tests that were statistically significant. Just because you got a single sub moa group from a particular load is completely meaningless. The next group could be 2" for all we know. You really need 7-10 3 shot groups before you have enough data to know for sure. Each shot will end up randomly anywhere within the "cone of fire".
7 to 10 3 shot group sounds good but you do know what the price of 6.5 creedmoor and other ammo is right now ? when your doing 8 to 10 different types of ammo. do the math. your talking 30 rounds per brand. at 6 to 10 differnet brands. 300 rounds. @ say 60 dollars a box of 20. i know i cant afford that !
@@UltimateArms I hear you. Yeah, I know ammo is expensive for sure. So are rifles. These reviews help people pick their next rifle. Without the right data, though, they really have no idea how it really shoots. I wonder who the first reviewer to capitalize on this will be. See the hornady podcast "your groups are too small".
@@elkhuntr2816 i reviewed it. awhile back. good rifle for the price. and yes it shoots. for something that is going to be used say once a year for hunting, it does the job well
@@UltimateArms Where the hell are you paying $3 a round? My .308 was around $2 in the plandemic.
@@yourface3154 hornady precision hunter 143 in canada $62.00. nosler 140 match $67.95 a box of 20. most 308 is cheaper to buy then 6.5 creedmoor now adays!
I’ve been your channel subscriber for more than a year, I really enjoy your contents. As a fan of your channel, why do not start the shooting competition content? Like 1000 meter shooting challenge with your channel subscribers. Like Canadian version. Anyhow I always enjoy your videos!!
Having not seen your channel before, I have to ask: which way were your targets oriented? I ask because most of the rounds seem to be spread in one direction but I can't tell if it's windage/trigger discipline or cartridge/breathing discipline.
have you seen the 6.5 Creedmor gen II but the predator? if so,let me know please what do you thing,because thinking about to get one.
please let me know.
thanks.
Don’t buy ONE, but BUY TWO of them , in EACH caliber! I did something similar with a 308 and 6.5 Needmore. Both heavy barreled long range rigs mounted with Bushy HDMR2 3-21x50mm scopes with H59 reticles. Peace Be The Journey! Alex, big thanks for,those 4 x Discovery Scopes at my Garrison Petawawa PR Matches. People love ya!
Ah Barney! good to see you here!
I think those difference are so little that not worth the argument special in hunting.
Also believe most the people own both calibers anyway..
I love your channel man! Keep up👍🏻
The 6.5CM is not the end all / be all of hunting, shooting or accuracy. Neither is the 308, so finding the ammo that matches the gun is vitally important. The judging of 6.5CM would have been better done against the 7mm08, since they bullet weights and caliber match much more closely. Set the triggers (if adjustable) to similar poundage. In this test you will find the better BC of 6.5GM bullets helps in the long range testing (300-500m) and the 7mm08 will win the energy competition in the short range. Then there is always the variance between guns due to manufacturing tolerances. Maybe you should buy 3 guns in each caliber and cross compare them to see which ones win the consistence competition... I don't have the money to do that, but I'm sure the mfgs would love you for it... 😂 I still shoot a 243 and a 25.06 for my hunting, but I do limit my distance to 400m or less, and I prefer much less... like I don't think I've had to shoot a deer over 125yds living in MT and now in PA...
What was the best 308 ammo?
Try a CZ alpha 600. Same price range but way nicer rifle.
That Winchester ammo proves why 3 shot groups are not proper accuracy testing. The 4th shot basically doubles the group size. If I shot 3 shot groups on most of my rifles with good ammo/hand loads I could get .50 moa on a consistent basis.
Hey Bmstyle, yes thats quite true. And a 3 shot group or even a 2 shot group can easily shot a incompatible ammo with a rifle. Although going for more than 3 can lead to barrel warming up and groups opening up. It's a bit of a catch 22
my tikka .308 with the norma whitetail 180gr factory ammo shoots cloverleaf groups @ 100meters, that is truly great ammo! same results in my tikka 3006 with the norma whitetail 180gr! did you use norma 180 gr in that ruger american?
Do you have a recommendation on a good hunting scope on your website?
@kodyseesequasis3777 I currently carry the Element Helix 2-16× it's a great versatile optic for hunting. That is the only one I carry for hunting
We just bought the 243 and have problems with it. Not feeding and not closing the bolt with a shell.. Not sure what is going on but gotta send it back. We wish we wouldn’t have got this at this point.
I bought a Ruger american gen 1 that would not chamber a 243 cartridge. I found out it was the cartridge. It was a HSM 243 95 gr deer catcher. I sold the rifle anyway. The same cartridges did not work in Savage apex predator.
@ I received the 243 gen 2 gun back from Ruger and it chambers fine now. They sent a letter saying they fixed the head space. I went to the range yesterday and it ran flawlessly. It is also very accurate and I’m happy!
does the stock flex being essentially plastic, Which I would fill the stock where I could to stiffen it up
Regarding the accuracy differences between the 308 and 6.5 CM, no offense but those groups suck, especially when those two calibers are known for long range accuracy! I have the Ruger Gen II in 350 Legend, which is strictly a deer and hog gun effective to 200yds max, but mine is topped with a Leupold Vx-Freedom 2-7X33 scope with Warne rings. Shooting at 100yds using Winchester copper impact 150gr will produce a 4 shot group that can be covered with a nickel, and the Hornady Black 150 gr and Winchester white box 145 gr (target round) groups are only slightly larger. Both the 308 and 6.5 CM are way more flatter shooting cartridges than the 350 legend and at more than twice the distance. My point being, is you need to send those rifles back to Ruger, either that or you have something going on with the scope you are using.
What are you aiming at with just that dash on the target?
@@pastorjosh44 correct
Howa 1500?
So would you drop this in a chasis / swap out the trigger, and run it in local competitions, or keep as personal fav. Gun?
@Trinitystillmyname personally no. This rifle in Canada is about 1000 and a chassis is about over 500-650 and the barrel is a bit on the skinny side. I'd recommend a bergara b14 hmr
my new cva cascade long range hunter has an amazeing trigger, but its made by bergara so enough said
What pound is it set on
@jamessammann9183 its like 3lbs
@@gerardcorreale7760 nice thanks merry christmas
Canadians are known to flinch😅
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Bagging on.308 is not a very good idea and the gen2 gets the job done very reasonably.
Very God grups are around 1 inch. But i want under 1/3 Moa and its very very hard. Never got there i have sako 85 black bear fluted beral but 5 shoot under 1 Moa yes. But not under 1/2 Moa. Need to try hornady pouder. I go whit the 178gr eld x .whit 36 gr N130 pauder.
That's a unicorn you are chasing. I hope you find it!
lol 6.5 barrels burn out in like 2500 rounds. 308 can go 5k easy. sometimes 10k or more. that plus ammo abundance makes it an easy choice.
95% of shooters arent going to put 2500 rounds throught a rifle especially a hunting rifle like this. competitive shooters arent going to care about barrel life. more of them have the budget to just replace the barrel or are sponsored so they arent paying anyway.
@@EpikArms seems like 308 still rules over 6.5 until 700 yards or longer and most ethical hunters aren’t shooting past 500 anyways.
Therefore I am glad I bought 'brand X' :)
The updated so-called improved ruger gen 2 disregards accuracy for looks.
You are actually comparing calibers, but really, should be comparing Ballistic Coefficients. the bullets themselves. Nothing to do with the case or caliber.
Under bergara b14...
Yes in my opinion
@@Torinogt428 6000 bergara? 6k on a bergara???
Your not a very good shot. I'll stick to my 308
He seemed to shoot ok with the right ammo. I knew someone that shot .2” MOA out to 1000yrds… im sure he could say (though he wouldn’t because he was a very humble guy) you were a bad shot.
And 6.5 ballistics coefficient is better than .308, and deals with windage better as well, however sub 500 yards the .308 carries more knock-down power… better for hunting especially larger game.
I agree
You’re*
Instead of the 308, why not compare it to another bench rest cartridge that is better... 😂
Because there are better cartridges than 6.5cm...
If you're aiming for that line, you have some other problems...
If you are zeroed for the line, then shoot the line..... what do you aim at?
@@EpikArms The line, you dork.
.308 and 6.5 is basically the same thing. 6.5 is a necked down .308. Is it faster yes. But it's the same caliber.
First?
Guess there is always a first
WOW a statistical sample of ONE each! This dude is both stunningly ignorant and arrogant .
Relax bud, this is an example of one amongst other's that I've done. But since you likely think the contrary. Let's hear your data. How many .308 do you own vs 6.5's?
@@EpikArms It's ok man, I have a milpsec 18" .308 that is fairly on point, costs too much to shoot. Just bought a Ruger American Gen 2 .308, haven't sighted it in yet, costs too much to shoot. xD
@@EpikArms308 sucks