*These were essentially rules for suburbia, and suggestions for city kids. When I'd visit with friends "in the country" (suburban subdivisions), these rules were LAW. But back in the [NY] city, they were for those under immediate supervision only, which was rare at best.*
Grew up with children should be quiet and not heard, don't show emotion, act like everything is fine, NEVER disagree with parents. Not healthy! I grew up in the 50's and 60's.
Herk Harvey was an educational film director at the time, and although there was a light conformity theme in them, he also did a great job of addressing serious matters such as social isolation, racism and bullying. His movies are worth checking out (first of, they had great direction - really atmospheric and moody) and a lot them you can find on UA-cam
My dad grew up in the 50s. he learned to be strict yet taught the best of all morality. I think some of the best parenting skills came from the 50s. My mother however was a hippie. The best of both worlds.
In my teens I read a few biographies of the poet Sylvia Plath. They too made a lot of this very difficult, stifling set of rules - especially regarding sex - that teenagers & young adults felt great pressure to follow. Some of her diaries & writing are about the oppressive strictness of this all-pervasive code. I wonder how far different kids are now, with the tendency to be different for the sake of it. We've also moved to a state of what George Carlin called "child-worship", and less of the adult authority (so it seems to me). I found it very odd to see retired men on demonstrations, wearing pictures of Greta Thunberg on a lanyard. This documentary makes the code sound a little like the famed "stiff upper lip" and excessive self-discipline that people think characterised Victorian Britain.
I kind of cringe a little when they whine about how kids are seen not heard and oh everything was so strict and so much was expected. I wish my parents even gave a damn about anything to do with me growing up. Everything I did was inconsequential and nobody gave a damn what I did or said until they started calling me a loser who needs to move out. All my parents did was whine about how strict their parents were, but they didn’t change anything with their own kids, they just ignored them completely. Ask for advice and they cried to me about how much stress they were under and I should please not bring more stress.
Every generation/decade/whatever has its faults. The rules of the 50s might have been overbearing, but it seems like there’s almost no rules at all now. I can’t say it’s really all that better.
For me, the most confusing thing about my parents in the '50s was the lack of openess. When they divorced when I was 15 and my sister 11 we had little no warning. We turned out alright, mostly because of the area we lived in and the freinds we kept.
"If you misbehaved, you weren't normal. And the idea of normal is a kind of vegetative state where nothing happens. But that's what everybody tried to aspire to." Explain to me how this provides for a thriving democracy, again?
Respect was a good thing to be taught but the 50s over did it to the point it became unhealthy for the children. To have original ideas and be set apart is also a good thing but the 60s over did it by losing basic human morality. Seems like humans can never get it right
We’re too busy proving each other wrong to find the balanced middle ground. I feel personally that the young generations of today are getting better at this. Baby steps I suppose. Baby steps.
how many times have you uploaded this exact video? ive found like 3 that are all time same!! I noticed because I am citing some of them for a school paper but I keep finding the same clips in different videos.
Lindsay: the full video is one hour long. I have never uploaded it. I take clips from the video and post them in different ways and this time, I have been posting it with my perspective on the video. I hope you found the perspective of value in writing a paper. David Hoffman-filmmaker
As part of Gen Z I can see a broken family structure with negligible rules as a ton of people are lost,depressed, lack confidence, and actually could benefit from these rules, hence why my generation is becoming more conservative and returning to traditional mores.
Jack Aurier I notice the same thing, being at college liberal ideals are not edgy, being conservative is. Employers will gladly embrace this shift as a relief, and we will push the millennials out.
What was going on there is much deeper than simply "respecting parents and acting friendly". Your whole life was expected to fit into this fake mold. It was artificial. It's better to respect your parents but also be yourself.
@@clubsnatcher erm, that's not the point I'm trying to make. It isn't just about artificiality, it's about the tight mold you were expected to fill. In the 50s acting a very specific way was IMPOSED on you in many more ways than just 'respecting parents and acting family'. The 50s nuclear family was quite literally designed, the way you spoke/acted was designed, and by extension your thoughts were designed and then it was EXPECTED you adopt it if you want to fit in with society, hands down. Sure todays family is still artificial, but the mold is much looser so to speak. It allows people to be people to a decent extent. I get why romantics might like the idea of the 50s nuclear family, as on the surface level it looks great (for middle class white folk in a traditional family structure), but there are many issues directly underneath the surface that inevitably bubbled up a decade later. It's simply not right to expect people to fit into such tight roles. People need to be individuals. I think the reaction to the 50s taught that lesson.
@@loki2240 Inform me on the socially expected behaviors of other species then, PLEASE. To your other point, there is no inference with my original statement that you ought to be artificial to the point that it is detrimental to your health or well being.
@@grantbiteman306 You're blowing it a bit of proportion. Tapes such as the ones shown in the video were lessons just as one might learn history, or maths. They were the standards that were taught, just as the two aformentioned subjects would have standards to be taught. Were they restrictive? Sure. Behavioral expectation is always restrictive. Put it in today's context. In western society there are clear expectations, unspoken rules, and narrow minded expectations in all walks of life. If you are a good, honest progressive you'll march to the same tune as all the others. Pro abortion, advocate for the LGBT community, pro big government. If you cherry pick, any of those hot button issues you might be ostracized and accused of being a conservative. That's one example of THOUSANDS. There are tons of communities today in the world, and each is just as restrictive. Just because they dont showcase it in a short film produced for a home economics class - does not mean the rules do not exist. Nothing was intrinsically designed or orchestrated. It was just the standard of the time. And it came and went just like the standards that had come before it.
We need a partial return to this. Maybe the repression of communication of feelings between children and parents was wrong but, it's obvious the rebellion against these values and norms in the sixties birthed a nightmare of societal decay to this present day.
there is freedom in the society (one can write in the paper about corrupt politicians etc ), then freedom in the household (one can ask if something the parents suggested could not be done differently or not at all). i grew up in eastern europe (communism), we had no freedom of type 1, but a lot of type 2. wondering how it was in the us the question is where lack of freedom bothers one most im saying my parents never told me stuff like 'as long as u live under our roof u will obey our rules', we found a middle way.
As if my parents were that calm and rational raising me. Ha! Ha! This is more of an instruction video to the parents in my view. Even if they never saw it.
If you search the words "making sense of" on my UA-cam channel you will find many sections from this six part television series. David Hoffman filmmaker
*These were essentially rules for suburbia, and suggestions for city kids. When I'd visit with friends "in the country" (suburban subdivisions), these rules were LAW. But back in the [NY] city, they were for those under immediate supervision only, which was rare at best.*
I guess I had odd parents as home was never like this at all. My home was full of love. I was born in 1945. However when 60s came I became a hippy.
I really miss these educational videos in school. Same guy, same voice. Many different subjects.
Grew up with children should be quiet and not heard, don't show emotion, act like everything is fine, NEVER disagree with parents. Not healthy! I grew up in the 50's and 60's.
Oh yeah
andy taylor but people complain now that we are too soft on childrens feelings. it makes you wonder which one is it?
Is that why we have the “millennials” now?
@@victoriataylor5457 You went off the deep end but I know what I meant as do thers... Where did I say there should be no rules?
Shitty parenting in the 50s and 60s led to the super degenerates in the 70s and 80s.
Herk Harvey was an educational film director at the time, and although there was a light conformity theme in them, he also did a great job of addressing serious matters such as social isolation, racism and bullying. His movies are worth checking out (first of, they had great direction - really atmospheric and moody) and a lot them you can find on UA-cam
“Park in Cars”? Such euphemisms...
My dad grew up in the 50s. he learned to be strict yet taught the best of all morality. I think some of the best parenting skills came from the 50s. My mother however was a hippie. The best of both worlds.
In my teens I read a few biographies of the poet Sylvia Plath. They too made a lot of this very difficult, stifling set of rules - especially regarding sex - that teenagers & young adults felt great pressure to follow.
Some of her diaries & writing are about the oppressive strictness of this all-pervasive code. I wonder how far different kids are now, with the tendency to be different for the sake of it. We've also moved to a state of what George Carlin called "child-worship", and less of the adult authority (so it seems to me). I found it very odd to see retired men on demonstrations, wearing pictures of Greta Thunberg on a lanyard.
This documentary makes the code sound a little like the famed "stiff upper lip" and excessive self-discipline that people think characterised Victorian Britain.
Is that a young Darrin from Bewitched (Dick York) at 4:26?
haha yes it is!
Yes, it's Durwood alright.
@@susanmurphy958or Dagwood hahaha. Andora would call him anything BUT Darrin 😂
@@carlyl5272 yup! 👍 you are so right!
The 50's sound like a absolute nightmare, no wonder the 60's had so much going on
I kind of cringe a little when they whine about how kids are seen not heard and oh everything was so strict and so much was expected. I wish my parents even gave a damn about anything to do with me growing up. Everything I did was inconsequential and nobody gave a damn what I did or said until they started calling me a loser who needs to move out. All my parents did was whine about how strict their parents were, but they didn’t change anything with their own kids, they just ignored them completely. Ask for advice and they cried to me about how much stress they were under and I should please not bring more stress.
Every generation/decade/whatever has its faults. The rules of the 50s might have been overbearing, but it seems like there’s almost no rules at all now. I can’t say it’s really all that better.
loki2240. Helicopter parents are more common now than ever
A young Dick York aka the 1st Darin Stevens from Bewitched " Fit in with the group!"
For me, the most confusing thing about my parents in the '50s was the lack of openess. When they divorced when I was 15 and my sister 11 we had little no warning. We turned out alright, mostly because of the area we lived in and the freinds we kept.
"If you misbehaved, you weren't normal. And the idea of normal is a kind of vegetative state where nothing happens. But that's what everybody tried to aspire to."
Explain to me how this provides for a thriving democracy, again?
Love your videos!
Cool video and gave you a thumbs up.
Thank you.
David Hoffman-filmmaker
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
You are welcome David and Happy Thanksgiving.
Respect was a good thing to be taught but the 50s over did it to the point it became unhealthy for the children. To have original ideas and be set apart is also a good thing but the 60s over did it by losing basic human morality. Seems like humans can never get it right
We’re too busy proving each other wrong to find the balanced middle ground. I feel personally that the young generations of today are getting better at this. Baby steps I suppose. Baby steps.
how many times have you uploaded this exact video? ive found like 3 that are all time same!! I noticed because I am citing some of them for a school paper but I keep finding the same clips in different videos.
Lindsay: the full video is one hour long. I have never uploaded it. I take clips from the video and post them in different ways and this time, I have been posting it with my perspective on the video. I hope you found the perspective of value in writing a paper.
David Hoffman-filmmaker
As part of Gen Z I can see a broken family structure with negligible rules as a ton of people are lost,depressed, lack confidence, and actually could benefit from these rules, hence why my generation is becoming more conservative and returning to traditional mores.
Jack Aurier it goes in circles or liberal then conservative
Jack Aurier I notice the same thing, being at college liberal ideals are not edgy, being conservative is. Employers will gladly embrace this shift as a relief, and we will push the millennials out.
Jack Aurier What time frame is a Generation Z? Boomers, Generation X, Milineals, WHERE DOES GENERATION Z fit into the time frame?
i think things are ok now, people are free to do whatever they want now, when they couldnt back then.
@Bryzz Lull Fuck you
Look how much better we are today.....
God forbid we respect our parents and act friendly to one another.
What was going on there is much deeper than simply "respecting parents and acting friendly". Your whole life was expected to fit into this fake mold. It was artificial. It's better to respect your parents but also be yourself.
@@clubsnatcher
erm, that's not the point I'm trying to make. It isn't just about artificiality, it's about the tight mold you were expected to fill.
In the 50s acting a very specific way was IMPOSED on you in many more ways than just 'respecting parents and acting family'. The 50s nuclear family was quite literally designed, the way you spoke/acted was designed, and by extension your thoughts were designed and then it was EXPECTED you adopt it if you want to fit in with society, hands down.
Sure todays family is still artificial, but the mold is much looser so to speak. It allows people to be people to a decent extent.
I get why romantics might like the idea of the 50s nuclear family, as on the surface level it looks great (for middle class white folk in a traditional family structure), but there are many issues directly underneath the surface that inevitably bubbled up a decade later.
It's simply not right to expect people to fit into such tight roles. People need to be individuals. I think the reaction to the 50s taught that lesson.
@@loki2240 Inform me on the socially expected behaviors of other species then, PLEASE.
To your other point, there is no inference with my original statement that you ought to be artificial to the point that it is detrimental to your health or well being.
@@grantbiteman306 You're blowing it a bit of proportion. Tapes such as the ones shown in the video were lessons just as one might learn history, or maths. They were the standards that were taught, just as the two aformentioned subjects would have standards to be taught. Were they restrictive? Sure. Behavioral expectation is always restrictive. Put it in today's context. In western society there are clear expectations, unspoken rules, and narrow minded expectations in all walks of life. If you are a good, honest progressive you'll march to the same tune as all the others. Pro abortion, advocate for the LGBT community, pro big government. If you cherry pick, any of those hot button issues you might be ostracized and accused of being a conservative. That's one example of THOUSANDS. There are tons of communities today in the world, and each is just as restrictive. Just because they dont showcase it in a short film produced for a home economics class - does not mean the rules do not exist.
Nothing was intrinsically designed or orchestrated. It was just the standard of the time. And it came and went just like the standards that had come before it.
Stuart Otis Parents who are horrible deserve zero respect.
We need a partial return to this. Maybe the repression of communication of feelings between children and parents was wrong but, it's obvious the rebellion against these values and norms in the sixties birthed a nightmare of societal decay to this present day.
100% agree
there is freedom in the society (one can write in the paper about corrupt politicians etc ), then freedom in the household (one can ask if something the parents suggested could not be done differently or not at all).
i grew up in eastern europe (communism), we had no freedom of type 1, but a lot of type 2. wondering how it was in the us
the question is where lack of freedom bothers one most
im saying my parents never told me stuff like 'as long as u live under our roof u will obey our rules', we found a middle way.
What if your parents, to put it mildly, do not approve of what you intend to write in the paper? Is that in the society, or in the household?
like on easter, colouring the bunnies and not the eggs. it depends.
As if my parents were that calm and rational raising me. Ha! Ha! This is more of an instruction video to the parents in my view. Even if they never saw it.
Hey David. Where is the rest of the episode? I wish I could see it.
If you search the words "making sense of" on my UA-cam channel you will find many sections from this six part television series.
David Hoffman filmmaker
I grew up in the 60's but i felt the wake slap me in the face as the 50's and our society went down the toilet.
Was that a young Dick York?! Too Cool!
Obey authority, control your emotions, fit in with the group, and don’t even think abt having sex. Hope this helps some ppl
It makes Ginny popular with _me_
Was the kid talking to his dad about wearing a suit to school Dick Sergeant on Bewitched?
Wow y’all really lived in one of those dystopian movies where the government acts as if everything is perfect huh
Yes!!!! Thank you!!!!! 1Nation4Life
The first husband to Geni was on there. Darren
Blue Bird First husband to SAMANTHA in Bewitched.
Doc Gumbo , oh yes, thank you ! You saw him, cool.
Capitalism, prosperity and freedom brought the 60’s.