@DarthRainz in the goat path were the 1000 ΦΩΚΕΙΣ (fokeis), when they saw the persians,thinking that they would be attacked,they left the path and fortfied themselves on a hill, so persians left them and continue. Thespians stayed and died.
@@DarthRainz That is unequivocally false, the Thespians, what was left of them, chose to stay and died on a separate hillock; moreover, there is a monument to the Thespians for their unwavering valor.
@@miccha21 No, YOU'RE missing the point : the OP was denying 1100 heroic men their due. Using the phrase "300 men who stayed back and fought" is nothing less than SNUBBING the other 1100. Also, they didn't stand against "depression," or against tyranny, except in terms of their own rather tiresome propaganda about democracies and "tyrannies" (i.e. any system without elective high office, even when the "tyrant" was not repressive), or about "barbarians" who were so named merely for not speaking Greek, not for barbarism. The Persian Empire was no worse a place to live than the Greek states were. Herodotus of Halicarnassus (Persian Empire) certainly thought so !
@@TomasFunes-rt8rd So you are implying that they should just sit and be conquered? This battle, including the next ones, defined the fate of Western civilization. So few stood against so many even if they knew that eventually they would die, and then for the first time all Greek city states United against one common enemy, justice prevailed!
I visited the site myself. What is noticeable is the Persian had to match up hill in a very narrow path. Less than 200 metres across. The hot springs is down the hill about 1/2 km on the right. It's about 40 C I took a sample home. There is a great museum at the foot of the Hill. There is a monument to the Thespians on the right.
I've visited tgis site several times now and i plan to visit again later this summer. I love history and I especially love my people's history, it's a great place to reflect on what it takes to remain free.
Hi Jay..your standing on gate 3 the final battle field on the hill to the right of you is gate 2 where the wall or fort still stands...further down from wall are the hot springs..gate 1first battle field.....thank you and great speech
A great piece on the Spartans made inspiring that you were there, totally ruined by bringing in Christianity which was not even thought of at that time. Those Spartans died for THEIR Gods not ours, and their families and their honor. The world existed LONG before Christianity. Respect it.
The guy was probably leading a Christian tour through Greece. He spoke about monasteries they had visited earlier that day. They were apparently close to this site and it was of such significance to him that he decided to take his group to visit it. I don’t see a problem with him talking about Christianity at this site on a Christian tour. You can pick him apart for his knowledge of this battle but he is not leading a Greek history tour.
Can anyone tell me what is the best flight path & route to take from U.K. to get to this place please ? It's a place I feel I need to get to before I pass. Seriously.
Some added details and considered assumptions for the reader regarding the army sizes of ancient civilizations, the Persian Army in particular as it relates to this video: 1) Almost all ancient histories accounting for armies is vastly exxagerated. It was a form of language they used back then to express the over all power on a nation. It would have been impossible to support an army of over 250,000 men - even by stripping the local supplies as they advanced. Greece was not rich with resources. Some say the count was ALL the forces of the Persian Empire - being a million men. That is possible, but they weren't all on campaign in Greece at one time. 2) The Persian - and other armies of those days - would not have been made up of all the best troops in the empire. Most of them would have been conscripts from the provinces - lightly armed and armored for a long march. Likely not armored at all, and bringing what weapons they owned. Thier primary assignment was foraging for the army on the march, with the lion's share going to the king and his more elite soldiers, who did most of the fighting. 3) The core of the Army would have been many thousands of regular troops and the Immortals, an elite legion of 10,000 that were heavy infantry - like the Spartans and other Greek hoplite infantry. or, the later Roman legions. 4) Assuming a Persian Army of less than 250,000 that started the march across the Dardenneles, many tens of thousands would have been peeled off to garrison Greeks towns that they passed through. Thermopylae was not the only battle they fought on the way into Greece. 5) That leaves the remainder to fight at Thermopylae, and we will never know how many there were, but a guess at 80,000 to 120,000 would be in the ball park 6) Only Rome had a professional miltary and a large standing army of paid soldiers. That did not occur until another 350 years later, with 25 Legions stationed around the Empire with a total maximum manpower of about 280,000 troops. Even though the Romans were the best army on earth then, specializing in logistical and engineering excellence, no more than three or four legions ( 5 to 7 thousand men each ) were ever mustered for a single battle due to the technical limits of supply.
How do we even know how much rich on resources was thay place at that time? We can't. We can only believe the written records, amd they say the army was that big.
@Lollygagger-k4p The Phoenicians supplied the Persian army by sea, until many of their ships were destroyed either by the Athenians or the great storm that took place one night. Salamis made the Persian position in Greece untenable which is why Xerxes left with the bulk of his army leaving Mardonius with 100k men, until Platea. However, I do agree with the exaggerated numbers but it is so consistent that I wonder if the symbol for hundred became confused with the symbol for a thousand. I find it difficult to believe that EVERY ancient writer purposefully exaggerated every number.
thank you, and highly and deeply appreciated for the knowledge Jay McCarl. i was having a hard time using google search and sites asking where the bodies of water reach upon making that narrow pass, until the land the land took over as time pass.
I’m not sure that the spot you’re in would have been the exact spot. I understand the water would it be close to the spot, however you would think there would be some steep cliffs to your right.
Great observation. The lowlands to the right (my left) used to be a huge bay that has since silted up over the centuries. There are huge, steep mountains to my immediate right; the hill and highlands in front and behind me were something of an undulating plateau that cascaded steeply down into the bay. The probability of the hill on which I'm standing is extremely high, as archeological digs have yielded thousands of arrowheads at that location-giving great credence to the historicity of the account. Blessings.
No..... Greece and Southern Europe is being subducted into the Mediterranean as the continent of Africa crashes into Europe. Some parts of the coast lifts up and others get pushed down into into the Mediterranean. Every time there's a huge earthquake in the region the landscape changes dramatically. This has been going on for thousands if years. Long before global warming, but it doesn't mean it doesn't play a role today.
Thermopylae was referred to as the "Hot Gates" because at the time due to volcanic activity there was lots of sulfur smoke and mist a very hellish scene. The doorway to hell.
Someone around that time described the Spartans as"Bees buzzing around a hive".Ephialtes was the name of the traitor.The word is used by Greeks today ,it means ' nightmare'.Scumbag would have sufficed!lol.We all as Christians?Sorry that was the point i bowed out.
It was a christian trip, the man speaking is speaking to his congregation. The man is obviously not speaking to you. Or maybe you just can't stand hearing the word Christian or the idea of someone being a christian? In that case I have to ask, my man, why so much vitriol against us? We did nothing to you.
@@JesusProtects it's nothing personal against Christians I just find the whole concept of religion boring!Where did it say this was a Christian trip in the vid title?It doesn't, if it did fair enough then I wouldn't have bothered watching. Or do You have something against atheists?
If ever there was evidence global warming is a fraud this place is it. It only proves water levels rise and recede throughout time and only the gullible fall for political science.
Because the Bible is also a record of History. or have you forgotten that the reason why we know 90% of human history is mainly because they were WRITTEN down. You think they have smartphones then? Even Alexander the Great was prophesised in the Book of Daniel, which is roughly 250 years before the time of Alex. The bible even recorded the Hittites before the archeological discovery only recently. RK Harrison cites Ewald [ OT intro,1975, p. 117 and footnote] as a scholar who denied existence of Hittites. This shows that the reality that lack of evidence at any given time does not equal lack of existence. your whole comment is stupid
@@rubenspotemkin2412listen to the previous comment and you may learn some actual history, wich I guess is why you are here to begin with. Unless you want to make your own personal version of history, picking and choosing what you like. The bible is a record from eye witnesses of history, weather you like it or not.
The bible is history and talks about many peoples and events that really happened as multiple other sources verify. I thought people clicked on this video to learn history, not to deny it.
And the 700 Thespians lead by Demophilus who stayed behind with the Spartans and fought to the end as well deserves equal honor and respect.
They didn't stay they bailed which is what opened the goat path
@@DarthRainz Ephialtes told the Persians about that path.
@DarthRainz in the goat path were the 1000 ΦΩΚΕΙΣ (fokeis), when they saw the persians,thinking that they would be attacked,they left the path and fortfied themselves on a hill, so persians left them and continue. Thespians stayed and died.
@@DarthRainz That is unequivocally false, the Thespians, what was left of them, chose to stay and died on a separate hillock; moreover, there is a monument to the Thespians for their unwavering valor.
Because of 300 men who stayed back and fought the oncoming persian armies. there legacy is spoken by foreigners until today. Great Leonides
1,400 soldiers stayed behind. 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians and 400 Helots
@@gryph01Yeah, vs 120000-300000 Persians, you are missing the point here, a handful of people stood against tyranny and depression
@@miccha21 No, YOU'RE missing the point : the OP was denying 1100 heroic men their due. Using the phrase "300 men who stayed back and fought" is nothing less than SNUBBING the other 1100. Also, they didn't stand against "depression," or against tyranny, except in terms of their own rather tiresome propaganda about democracies and "tyrannies" (i.e. any system without elective high office, even when the "tyrant" was not repressive), or about "barbarians" who were so named merely for not speaking Greek, not for barbarism. The Persian Empire was no worse a place to live than the Greek states were. Herodotus of Halicarnassus (Persian Empire) certainly thought so !
@@TomasFunes-rt8rd So you are implying that they should just sit and be conquered? This battle, including the next ones, defined the fate of Western civilization. So few stood against so many even if they knew that eventually they would die, and then for the first time all Greek city states United against one common enemy, justice prevailed!
The spartans being only 300 strong is a myth 🤣🤣 they were with a few thousand but significantly outnumbered none the less
I visited the site myself. What is noticeable is the Persian had to match up hill in a very narrow path. Less than 200 metres across. The hot springs is down the hill about 1/2 km on the right. It's about 40 C I took a sample home.
There is a great museum at the foot of the Hill. There is a monument to the Thespians on the right.
I've visited tgis site several times now and i plan to visit again later this summer. I love history and I especially love my people's history, it's a great place to reflect on what it takes to remain free.
“We are with you sire! For Sparta! For freedom!”
"Go tell tell them in Sparta, stranger passing by, that here obedient to their laws we lie.
"Ω ξειν, αγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ότι τήδε κείμεθα τοις κείνων ρήμασι πειθόμενοι"
@@auxmobile what words would convince?
@@mikesumner2827 What the OP wrote in english is the translation of what I wrote in greek.
@@auxmobilethe video post? Or my post?
@@mikesumner2827 The one I originally replied to.
Wonderful presentation, thank you!
Long live Spartans spirit of bravery
I am obsessed over the movie 300 freaking love King Leonidas the fact that he lived with passion and died for what he believed in 😁
Its a comic book
You should read Gates of Fire by Steven Pressfield.
@@TheColombiano89but happens, it was not a myth.
Thanks so much for using good Mics etc and recording where us hard of hearing ex rockers can hear!
Hi Jay..your standing on gate 3 the final battle field on the hill to the right of you is gate 2 where the wall or fort still stands...further down from wall are the hot springs..gate 1first battle field.....thank you and great speech
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't been yet but was thinking the hill was where the last stand was made
thank you for the insight and context.
A Spartan mother would disown her own son if he retreated.
Absolutely Fantastic Jay! Thank You! I Wish I Was With You Guys!😉😎
God bless 🙏 thankyou for posting this
A great piece on the Spartans made inspiring that you were there, totally ruined by bringing in Christianity which was not even thought of at that time. Those Spartans died for THEIR Gods not ours, and their families and their honor. The world existed LONG before Christianity. Respect it.
Thank you for sharing! Really blessed me ~and I'm sure many others.
Our arrows will block out the sun..
Then we will fight in the shade 👌
Fake
"Spartans!!! What is your Profession?!?!?!"🛡🛡🛡
The guy was probably leading a Christian tour through Greece. He spoke about monasteries they had visited earlier that day. They were apparently close to this site and it was of such significance to him that he decided to take his group to visit it. I don’t see a problem with him talking about Christianity at this site on a Christian tour. You can pick him apart for his knowledge of this battle but he is not leading a Greek history tour.
Very very interesting! I would love to see some artifacts.
I'd love to visit this site.
Can anyone tell me what is the best flight path & route to take from U.K. to get to this place please ? It's a place I feel I need to get to before I pass. Seriously.
Some added details and considered assumptions for the reader regarding the army sizes of ancient civilizations, the Persian Army in particular as it relates to this video:
1) Almost all ancient histories accounting for armies is vastly exxagerated. It was a form of language they used back then to express the over all power on a nation. It would have been impossible to support an army of over 250,000 men - even by stripping the local supplies as they advanced. Greece was not rich with resources. Some say the count was ALL the forces of the Persian Empire - being a million men. That is possible, but they weren't all on campaign in Greece at one time.
2) The Persian - and other armies of those days - would not have been made up of all the best troops in the empire. Most of them would have been conscripts from the provinces - lightly armed and armored for a long march. Likely not armored at all, and bringing what weapons they owned. Thier primary assignment was foraging for the army on the march, with the lion's share going to the king and his more elite soldiers, who did most of the fighting.
3) The core of the Army would have been many thousands of regular troops and the Immortals, an elite legion of 10,000 that were heavy infantry - like the Spartans and other Greek hoplite infantry. or, the later Roman legions.
4) Assuming a Persian Army of less than 250,000 that started the march across the Dardenneles, many tens of thousands would have been peeled off to garrison Greeks towns that they passed through. Thermopylae was not the only battle they fought on the way into Greece.
5) That leaves the remainder to fight at Thermopylae, and we will never know how many there were, but a guess at 80,000 to 120,000 would be in the ball park
6) Only Rome had a professional miltary and a large standing army of paid soldiers. That did not occur until another 350 years later, with 25 Legions stationed around the Empire with a total maximum manpower of about 280,000 troops. Even though the Romans were the best army on earth then, specializing in logistical and engineering excellence, no more than three or four legions ( 5 to 7 thousand men each ) were ever mustered for a single battle due to the technical limits of supply.
How do we even know how much rich on resources was thay place at that time? We can't. We can only believe the written records, amd they say the army was that big.
@Lollygagger-k4p The Phoenicians supplied the Persian army by sea, until many of their ships were destroyed either by the Athenians or the great storm that took place one night. Salamis made the Persian position in Greece untenable which is why Xerxes left with the bulk of his army leaving Mardonius with 100k men, until Platea.
However, I do agree with the exaggerated numbers but it is so consistent that I wonder if the symbol for hundred became confused with the symbol for a thousand. I find it difficult to believe that EVERY ancient writer purposefully exaggerated every number.
Come and take it!
The remnants of the wall are still on the hill
thank you, and highly and deeply appreciated for the knowledge Jay McCarl. i was having a hard time using google search and sites asking where the bodies of water reach upon making that narrow pass, until the land the land took over as time pass.
I’m not sure that the spot you’re in would have been the exact spot. I understand the water would it be close to the spot, however you would think there would be some steep cliffs to your right.
Great observation. The lowlands to the right (my left) used to be a huge bay that has since silted up over the centuries. There are huge, steep mountains to my immediate right; the hill and highlands in front and behind me were something of an undulating plateau that cascaded steeply down into the bay. The probability of the hill on which I'm standing is extremely high, as archeological digs have yielded thousands of arrowheads at that location-giving great credence to the historicity of the account. Blessings.
The arrows will blot out the sun. Then we will fight in the shade.
Where is the Sea ?
Empires come and go.. we go and come again.
So why did the gulf of malian water recede???? Where did the water go???
Didn’t recede; silted up… :-)
@@jay.mccarl silt??
@@AtticTapes14mud that flows with water. And is left behind as water recedes
THANK YOU
Great video
Sea level was higher 2500 years ago. Guess it was all that CO2 the Greeks put out with all that olive oil and wine growing.
No..... Greece and Southern Europe is being subducted into the Mediterranean as the continent of Africa crashes into Europe. Some parts of the coast lifts up and others get pushed down into into the Mediterranean.
Every time there's a huge earthquake in the region the landscape changes dramatically.
This has been going on for thousands if years. Long before global warming, but it doesn't mean it doesn't play a role today.
how can a location will change so much
crazy how much land the river created in 2500 years
Warm gates. No hot gates. ❤
JEWS connection back then!? Hmm
Jewdasm is 6000 years old
@@jamestaylor841 This does not answers my question!
@@viorelpiscanu9425 ancient Israelites are not necessarily jews. But yes, there is a connection with ancient Israel. Does that answer your question?
@@JesusProtects Thanks! Best regards - Bye-bye!
@@viorelpiscanu9425lmao. You wanted to say something against the Jews now?
where is the gate?
Thermopylae was referred to as the "Hot Gates" because at the time due to volcanic activity there was lots of sulfur smoke and mist a very hellish scene. The doorway to hell.
looks a bit like a desert now
Someone around that time described the Spartans as"Bees buzzing around a hive".Ephialtes was the name of the traitor.The word is used by Greeks today ,it means ' nightmare'.Scumbag would have sufficed!lol.We all as Christians?Sorry that was the point i bowed out.
It was a christian trip, the man speaking is speaking to his congregation. The man is obviously not speaking to you. Or maybe you just can't stand hearing the word Christian or the idea of someone being a christian? In that case I have to ask, my man, why so much vitriol against us? We did nothing to you.
@@JesusProtects it's nothing personal against Christians I just find the whole concept of religion boring!Where did it say this was a Christian trip in the vid title?It doesn't, if it did fair enough then I wouldn't have bothered watching. Or do You have something against atheists?
This guy reminds me of the guy who speaks about jfk assassination
where did all the water go???
Global warming
@@JVW9007 if it evaporated then its up in the air and has to come down sooner or later...so I'll ask again where did it go???
@@JVW9007 Global warming rises sea level, not the other way around lol
Sediment filled in most of the bay
If ever there was evidence global warming is a fraud this place is it. It only proves water levels rise and recede throughout time and only the gullible fall for political science.
Ελλαδα Ελληνικη και κοσμος ΑΩ
Phimistaclese sp? Is off, later defeated the Pursians , navel battle .
The numbers are exaggerated.
ΔΩΡΙΕΙΣ ΕΣΜΕΝ ΕΣΑΙΕΙ.
Was it necessary to mention the Bible and its characters? What part did they play in this legendary event. Don’t mix the heroes with priests.
Totally rogered with Bible jews er al - forget history just talk fiction
Stop being so sensitive. You sound like a whiny child
It's called scaffolding. He's building on people's prior knowledge.
Because the Bible is also a record of History. or have you forgotten that the reason why we know 90% of human history is mainly because they were WRITTEN down. You think they have smartphones then? Even Alexander the Great was prophesised in the Book of Daniel, which is roughly 250 years before the time of Alex. The bible even recorded the Hittites before the archeological discovery only recently.
RK Harrison cites Ewald [ OT intro,1975, p. 117 and footnote] as a scholar who denied existence of Hittites. This shows that the reality that lack of evidence at any given time does not equal lack of existence.
your whole comment is stupid
@@rubenspotemkin2412listen to the previous comment and you may learn some actual history, wich I guess is why you are here to begin with. Unless you want to make your own personal version of history, picking and choosing what you like.
The bible is a record from eye witnesses of history, weather you like it or not.
Logical and intelligent people can believe in fantasies too.
Thermopylae is a well documented historical event.
Bro turns Thermopylae into a sermon. Need a refund from this tour guide.
Spartans were nazies. SS among greeks.
Oh yikes, another proselytizing sermon on the mount. Quite a turn off.
The bible is history and talks about many peoples and events that really happened as multiple other sources verify. I thought people clicked on this video to learn history, not to deny it.
@@JesusProtects SHUT UP and BUZZ OFF!!
Christianity isn't going anywhere, so deal with it.
@@MichaelSmith-te7eq What are you BABBLING about???
@@JesusProtects STUPID!! Irrelevant comment!!!
You were doing fine until you started preaching. That's when you lost me.
God made everything that is, including the Spartans and yes you are lost.
I kniw right where I am and do not need some non-existant mythological deity to tell me where I am, unlike you.