Plato and Aristotle (Introduction to Greek Philosophy)
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
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Tom Richey provides students with an introduction to Greek philosophy, contrasting Plato's idealism with Aristotle's realism and comparing the basic premise of Plato's Republic with Aristotle's Politics.
In Raphael's painting, The School of Athens, Plato and Aristotle walk side by side at the center, with Plato pointing up to signify his idealism and Aristotle pointing down to signify his belief in philosophical realism. This is a starting point for understanding the key differences between Plato and Aristotle.
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After he landed safely from Mars..
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I do videos, too. But I don't have a voice like this guy. I'm also outclassed by Khan Academy dude. But here's what I've put up: www.harryzaims.com/
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Someone beat me to it lol. That’s what I get for turning up to a video years late
I have a feeling like there i nothing in that cup.
+88pie88 Hahaha That cup keeps haunting me. I started recording the lecture and then realized that I didn't have a surface to set my cup down on... But there certainly was Yerba mate in the cup!
Tonal vs nagual, and "here and there vs here and here" (C Castanyeda), but also looking up problems of characterizing nature in the history of modern and classic physics (how did matter form, subatomic world problems of making aristotelian observations relevant, cosmic aethers vs local aethers vs empty space vs Einsteinian "aethers" etc) are good side activities alongside reading the old greeks.
2 minutes into this video and I've already learned so much more than from my Ethics class. Thanks Tom!!! :D
My pleasure!
Same here
Thanks so much. I was homeschooling my 6th grader, trying to explain the differences between the two. I think you nailed it. Thanks again!
amyruleen Glad to hear it! It's great to hear that I'm doing something to help homeschooling parents educate their children. Impressive that your child is already learning about Greek philosophy in 6th grade - keep up the good work training an enlightened mind!
To the people saying Plato was a communist, he was not.
Plato wanted a hierarchic technocracy where the most highly educated scholars and philosophers were in charge of the state. Essentially he wished to divide the people into three classes, producers, guardians and leaders. These classes also represented the three parts of the soul, the body and the three fundamental virtues temperance, courage and wisdom. This would result in what Plato regarded as the ideal state.
But the ultimate goal of communism as defined by Marx is not only a classless society, but indeed also the very abolition of the state altogether.
Both were teleologists with a radical Utopian ideal society, but Plato was not a communist.
This is some great analysis. Thanks for sharing!
+Ivan Tokheim Communism was not invented by Marx however much people associate the two together. Communism relates to the "communal" ownership of property. What Plato outlined in "The Republic" was perhaps not total communism but it was not so far removed from that. Though how much Plato literally was arguing for that as opposed to having a thought experiment framework for reference and debate is certainly open to question. Egalitarianism which you seem to conflate with communism is not the same as communism, which means only that there is no private property, things are owned in "common" which is not so far removed from the depiction of state/Polis in "The Republic" which has the state controlling just about everything in people's lives including who they marry and how children are raised etc..
+Ivan Tokheim Yeah, but when Plato was writing of his Utopia the technology that allowed Marx to envision communism and an end to classes and states did not exist. Plato is as close to communism as you can get without modern technology.
+Ivan Tokheim Personally I think Marx may have been influence by Plato, judging from Plato's ideas. But I'm not saying he's a communist.
+Ivan Tokheim To be honest, the ideal society that Plato presented in the Republic more closely resembles the World State from Brave New World. A cabal of hyperintelligent scientist oligarchs rule over a global caste-system made up of people grown in pods (thus never knowing their parents).
That was great! I’m a 66 year old scientist, and I finally understand the basic difference between Plato and Aristotle. And thanks for giving me SPA to remember these guys.
Now you're 68
Congrats
70 now
I never thought philosophy could be this fun if you added heavy riffs to it. That’s awesome!
Loved it. I didn't know that much detail on Plato's philosophy.
Thank you for existing! Your guidance was much needed and is much appreciated.
A very clear introduction and contrast in the two beliefs
ty sir, helped me greatly in creating my report for philosophy class. And increased my understanding through visual effect, I really appreciate it.
Glad I could help, Andy! And I'm glad you appreciate the visuals. I try to incorporate visual supplements as much as I can.
You helped me getting top results last semester; when I attended a bachelor-level history class. Now I needed to get some information on philosophy this semester .. I'm so pleased to see that you are also covering this subject! You are a master at explaining stuff! Thank you! Greetings from Norway.
I Love that you give the presentation with a mate
Very helpful video ! I started reading Plato's dialogues on Socrates, and i'm kinda new to philosophy. They are so fascinating, i want to continue with Plato and Aristotle but i'm afraid i won't understand enough.. This video gave me hope :)
Lucian Z. I'm glad I could help! I think reading Greek philosophy is one of the most worthwhile things a person can do in life, but it helps to have a bit of guidance.
Tom Richey Why do you think it is so rewarding to read Greek philosophy? It was something thousands of years ago. Science, technology, knowledge evolves so much in that huge time span. So I think, can philosophy thousands of years ago be of any use today? Help me understand that.
Yan Mah The whole premise of humanistic studies (studying classical literature, history, and philosophy) is that while all of the things you mention change, humanity doesn't change. We still confront the same philosophical problems - just in a different way. Though we have a lot more technology than the ancient Greeks, we still have to figure out how to form governments, organize society, ethics, and the nature of reality. I still find Plato and Aristotle relevant to all of these pursuits.
excellent stuff with a touch of humor....really cool .... what an interesting way to teach a vast and tough subject like philosophy...
btw your videos are great. I like the pace and style of your teaching
Marshall Stack, Flying V, and Yerba Mate tea loaded with caffiene. Dude, you are my kind of philosopher! Subscribed!
I like Tom’s natural enthusiasm and style of explaining. He’s very well versed in terms of depth n detail with the topics he presents but mainly concerns himself with making it clear for the viewer which I very much appreciate way down here in New Zealand!
Thankyou for the subtitles.Really helps
Thanks Tom.I am preparing for civil service exams and your videos help me in explaining details which I get stuck and cant get out from any other source .👍
Thank you for comparing and contrasting these philosophers. I just subscribed, great stuff.
Thanks a bunch! :D
Thank you very much, I'm understanding the different between Plato and Aristotle
Been watching vids this one makes so much sense
woow THANK YOU Tom im now an expect in understanding the Greek philosophy. thank yu
Another Great Video Tom much thanks
in 7 mins, u were able to share everything that we need to know. every information u presented was digestable for us to understand. thank u sm!!! because of ur vid, i was able to understand political philosophy better & i'll be def ready for my class tom. sending love from the philippines!!! 🇵🇭
These guy's and philosophy in general is ridiculously interesting.
thank you soooo much! finally makes sense
Mirella Muchenje Glad I could clarify this important topic for you! :D
Tom is the best just this 7 min video have already understood the whole story thank you very muc
Nice Job with this one Mr. Richey
Plato believed that the ideal state should be governed by philosophers.
He imagined the Utopian state built up exactly like the tripartite human body. Where the body has head, chest, and abdomen, the ideal state has rules, guardians, and laborers (farmers, for example).
Also for each of these three parts there is a corresponding faculty of the soul. Reason belongs to the head (rulers), will belongs to the chest (guardians), and appetite belongs to the abdomen (laborers).
Each of these soul faculties also has an ideal, or "virtue". Reason aspires to wisdom, Will aspires to courage and Appetite must be curbed so that temperance can be exercised.
Like every aspect of Plato's philosophy, his political philosophy is characterized by rationalism. The creation of a good state depends on its being governed with reason. Just as the head governs the body, so philosophers must rule society.
Plato's ideal state is not unlike the old Hindu caste system, in which each and every person has his or her particular function for the good of the whole.
Nowadays we would perhaps call Plato's state totalitarian. But it's worth noting that he believed women could govern just as effectively as men. Women, he assured, have exactly the same powers of reasoning as men, provided they get the same training and are exempt from child rearing and housekeeping.
You are helpful for a first year teacher in Iowa....
Please post a video on Plato's Theory Of Education.
Great video!
i kinda want more about this artistotle and plato differences .. it really helps me a lot .. thank you for sharing
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Very very good video! You're extremely pedagogical and you makes all you say very clear! :)
+Kralperri oh yeah very clear
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This is very very interesting. I love the comparing and contrasting of these philosophers.
Very Basic, thank you!
I liked this, although I must say, my philosophy professor opined that "Plato is sometimes interpreted as an idealist. He believed the world in which we live holds less reality than another world, 'the world of forms,' and he argued the things we encounter through our perception are copies of more real and perfect entities in this other world. Although there is something to this interpretation, I don't believe the categories of materialism, dualism, and idealism apply to philosophy prior to the sixteenth century; Plato's view is not George Berkeley's view. Berkeley, like other idealists, denies the existence of matter, and Plato does not talk about matter."
What are your thoughts on this? I lean towards my professor, who pairs Plato with the position in epistemology of rationalism. (A rational person uses reason.) He associates Aristotle with the other perspective of empiricism. (Empiricists rely on the senses.) He categorizes the viewpoints of materialism, dualism, and idealism as modern metaphysics - which, by definition, is different from epistemology. I'd love to hear your interpretation of these subjects!
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Great thoughts here. I take wish Tom would have responded.
Aristotle was an idealistic and intelligent practicalist. Plato was an existentialistic idealist, meaning that he had talents for hunting down intuitive realizations of what nature "is" fundamentally, yet in a time where the chance of producing worthwhile descriptions of that for the public was almost impossible, and where superstition was still common at elite and grassroots levels of society. Both were different forms of realists. Plato was looking for what the world really is, while Aristotle wanted to stick to the limits of our perceptions in order to use a more "realistic" method of developing methods for knowledge. Aristotle ended up with the problem of believing (*having to believe*) that the sun orbits the earth because nothing else was proveable at the time. Parmenides and Plato more saw nature as a flux of forces. Politically Plato was more doctrinal (central state, belief in a god, etc) but with an idealist cause to it. Aristotle a bit closer to moral objectivism. Sokrates was more oriented on the use of communications as dialogue "itself" ,even more than other greek philosophers, in order to achieve understanding, but underestimated its flaw of territorial instincts going haywire and the elitist motives of power, which became the cause of the attempts to punish him.
You make philosophy interesting and make it appear relevant today... thank you for posting these videos!
Thanks, Litha! I plan to add several videos to my philosophy offerings this year.
Good Stuff. Thanks for filling in the blanks that my prof left out.
Tom, I enjoy your videos though I'm not a youngster or a formal student anymore. I notice the guitars and amp in the background. Is the heavy riffing in your videos by you?
Thanks for the very "sitting around chatting presentation" with out boorish history overtones. Enjoyed the clarification.
love u sir.. thank u so much for this video...
Great video, and love your accent
Your lectures are really helpful!
I'm stressed out before my upcoming exam in philosophy and ethics, and this is perfect right now. Also, having an Ibanez Iceman to look at too helps :)
Eiliv Sagrusten That's pretty awesome that you recognize my guitar! Glad I could help reduce a bit of stress before this exam.
Yeah, I love that guitar! (KISS-fan speaking) Actually, that example where Plato points upwards and Aristotele upwards in the painting stuck to my head. It has already helped a ton.
Anyone who criticizes you for providing young people and old, an introduction to history, learning and philosophy is way off base. Well done Tom
Danny Kriedt Thanks, Danny! I'm finding that people who watch philosophy videos can be difficult to please, as philosophy buffs each have their idea of what philosophy is, what purpose it is to serve, etc. Philosophy's a difficult thing to define, in general, but I think this lecture has done a lot to help my target audience of students who are struggling to wrap their brains around the basic concepts. I appreciate this word of encouragement!
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stonefree johnnie Well, I didn't think of it, either... Actually got it from a student teacher! lol
great lecture just doing an introductory course.
can you post a vid of Rousseau
Love from greece 🇬🇷❤️💗😍 thanks for the video brother
plz do similar video on
St Thomas
Aquinas, Marsiglio of Padua; Machiavelli; Hobbes, Locke,
Montesquieu, Rousseau, Bentham, J.S.MiII, T.H. Green, Hegal, Marx,
Lenin and Mao‐Tse‐Tung.
You're in luck! Some of them are already done. Check out my European Philosophers playlist: /playlist?list=PLfzs_X6OQBOx36LYz2bkanoGDExFeIExR
rahul sharma Sorry - bad link. Here's the link to my European Philosophers playlist: ua-cam.com/play/PLfzs_X6OQBOx36LYz2bkanoGDExFeIExR.html
Tom Richey
thanks sir
this is going to help with my history test, thanks!
i sure got started, thanks for the vid :)
WabbitWounds You're very welcome! I plan to dabble some more in Greek philosophy in the near future, so be sure to subscribe if you haven't already!
thanks so much. find much useful
Great style and method of teaching!
I subscribed.
this was super duper great really fascinating thanks for laying so clearly really helpful!
PrussianShpherds Glad I could help! This is very rewarding content and I'm glad for anything I can do to get someone started on the path toward understanding Greek philosophy!
Thank you for making this--amazing all the short videos I've watched fail to directly attack Plato's foolish idealism.
Great introduction to Plato and Aristotle. What was Plato thinking? I like how you referenced your daughter in there. By the way, my daughter currently LOVES Ni Hao Kai-lan. Thanks again for the recommendation :)
Thank you so much for all of your videos! I've watched several of them. I am a master student of Political science in Russia and my teachers (a lot of them) always discuss about the philosophy things in Russian (which language that I am not really good at for now - I am Indonesian)-. Philosophy is kind of a new thing for me and your videos helped me in every way! Can't wait for another materials. Thank you very much, sir!!!
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I'm studying in Turkish and I'm also struglling with the language and cannot get most of the things explained in class. I think we are together in this Farah :)
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luv your easy explanations!
i had to stop and watch this video after i saw the cup of 'mate' in your hand..is it?!
thanks that was informative
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tommorow i have a test in philosophie about Plato and Aristotle.I have spent about 2hours reading my notes and watching other youtube videos to understand better the difference between these two guys.Thanks to this dude I have finally understand that.
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nice job, i study in brasil but the language sometimes makes me go nut but if you can please explain more on metaphysical and the 3 periods of in it
Excellent
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I think that Aristotle and Plato are somehow combined in their way of defining meanings, rules and psychology. What in my opinion is the greatest competition of critical thinking would be a study between Plato/Aristotle and Socrates. Plato and therefore Aristotle are these who established the limits of conservatism in the western Culture while Socrates is the one who established the idea of personal revolution (some people would call it anarchy but I am not sure). So the first two were also studied by religious scholars and intellectuals whereas Socrates inspires mainly the progressive parts of humanity. Where I want to conclude is that Plato and Aristotle combination is not concrete without adding the parameter of Socrates in the equation.
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What books do you recommend in Aristotle politics ?
7 years ago? R u kidding me? Btw thanks now i can start my essay about this two, more power sir!
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So could you please do a quick video and explain how aristotle's metaphysics is plato diluted with common sense
Thank you.
love the in your face learning you almost have this sports vibe at the ending you have something going here lol'' goodluck
Really a cool tutorial. Can you please do something on Kant's Philosophy?
Tom sir can you please explain what are criticism of Aristotle of Plato ?
Thanks this helps so much.
Paige Perry I'm glad I could help you! Always glad to hear when these videos are making it easier for someone to do well in a class.
Such a deep point made in passing. They do both accept selfishness: one seeks to transcend it, and the other direct it. Excellent sweeping analysis. I personally found it rather problematic that Plato is a thorough idealist yet his view of humanity is so dark. Idealism seems to be in some sense bound to a higher conception of humanity which Plato does in some sense retain with his doctrines of the soul, but clearly we are depraved and far from this world of idea's and pure introspection. Only few might breach to that higher place-- and the rest is the muck to be directed. I adore the aristocratic tendency but I believe it to be born just as much from his heritage as his metaphysics.
Glad you appreciate this introduction. It's good to get an endorsement from someone who has obviously delved into this stuff already. Plato's idealism's definitely not what we think of today when we call someone an idealist - his elitism is hardly a ringing endorsement of humanity.
wow did not think that it was possible to understand anything about Plato and Aristotle. how about an insight into identifying the similarities between them both as it relates to skepticism and cynicism.
Yerba Mate! It's a must when doing the work of philosophy!
Daniel Maldonado HA! Glad someone noticed my beverage! Been hooked ever since I read Che Guevara's Motorcycle Diaries.
Tom Richey Nice! My Yerba Mate fix happened by chance and I haven't stopped drinking it since!
Can you make a video about St. Augustine
-his methods
-his views about human nature and the role of women
You are the epitome of padegogue. Thank you
Anyone interested in this should simply just read (or listen to) Plato's Republic. You will then see that most people who speak on this stuff are wrong. For instance Plato/Socrates didn't say no material goods in the perfect republic, he said shared property for the "guardians" of the republic (the leaders who were bred for and trained from birth to serve their country). The rest of the people would be separated into classes but depending on your inherent abilities and hard work you could move up. Too complicated to explain in UA-cam comments but I highly suggest checking out because almost everyone slaps their current ideas on this great work that everyone should read.
beautiful
love how Raphael paints the two carrying box sets, maybe one has a grateful dead box set and the other a black sabbath box set.... an eternal debate ! nice flying V. _excellent explanation thank you!_
you'll do me a favor if you explain sth aboyt the contribution of the clasdical and medeveial Latin to the trope known as metonymy
This video helped me a lot ☺ Thank you so much Tom 😊
can anyone explain me what the meaning of this qoute ?
“Teaching is not about filling up the pail; it is about lighting a fire”
This was very good Tom. Very educational.
Does holding the cup in frame help?
thank you
This was awesome. Now I feel ready for my political theory exam tomorrow! :)
+Melissa Hurtado How did it go?
I think that aristortles view that matter is also immortal alonw with soul is kind of conflicting as if this is so how does he explain the deteoritation / ageing of body and death ?