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The wife isn't as big of a GS fan as me. She walks around the house saying "Altitude, Altitude" or "Pull up, Pull up." That's about all she knows about DCS.
As a kid, I always wondered if a missile would get "mad" if it missed on the first pass and come back around and give chase. Many years later, this video answers my question.
Would love a series of advanced dogfighting tutorials/walkthroughs. I mean beyond explaining concepts of 1c and 2c, but like lift vector placement, how to advantageously manipulate an offset 2 circle, etc etc. Love the channel, each video is genuinely thrilling and very entertaining:)
The merge is clearly the most important factor in how these fights go. Every time you didn't stick close and maneuver with your bandit as well as you could, it created too much separation. Every time you won, you read and reacted to his movement much better.
It is neat to see that DCS models G-loc even after you are hit. Shows situations that a pilot might not eject not due to blackout and not instant death
Love the chanel, this seams to be a bit of a guilty pleasure thing for me ,considering I'm a 63 year old aviation nut! .. would love to see the F20 tiger shark up against the F 16. regards...nick here in the UK
I saw this video drop, clicked "Like," and watched the first minute as GS introduced this scenario. Then I watched in horror as his life flashed before his eyes at 1:01. Well, brother, no one can say you don't get qualified pilots to fly OpFor in your videos! Thanks again for letting us fly duel with you on your digital adventures!! Edit: I watched that first fight again and had to come back to say that 9X was _dirty_ man, looping around to hit you in the face like that!
The F-16 may be old, but the Hornet design goes back to the YF-17 that competed with it in the lightweight fighter program. Granted, the YF-17 seems to be the first production-intended fighter that optimized intentionally for instantaneous turn rate, but the F-18 was there at the beginning, even if it was retooled for naval squadrons and refined to introduce later.
YF16 and YF17 were in competition where airforce chosed f16 and navy f18 mostly because of landing gear and 2 engines in case of failure, oh and range too.
A great video for GS to drop on my birthday, however the enemy Port-A-Potty factory remains in production, which is an existential threat to the free world!
Well, that first one was over in a hurry... 😆 This scenario demonstrates the value of the AIM-9X. It is still a very useful part of an aircraft's overall weapons load, and can still deal death to any adversary that takes it for granted.
I would love to see those new gigantic missiles on the f-15. I know they're only supposed to be for the f-18 but I think they would work really well with the f-15s awesome radar. Please try it!
Awesome lightweight fighter duel! I'll put in a bid for a manufacturer 2v2, BVR/BFM clash. Example: Lockheed's Viper and Lightning 2 vs. Boeing's Super Hornet and Eagle 2. 🤔
Since there are apparently alot of mods, and the like in DCS is the F-16XL prototype out there? I think it would be interesting to see. It was one of thr first fighters to incorporate the Super Cruise technology
I feel like in situations like these, it might be an advantage to have a slower, but longer burning motor for your missiles so that they can pull off those high endurance maneuvers like looping around after an initial miss.
Need a fast motor to be able to keep speed with those turns. AIM9-Xs can pull like 60Gs; you'd have to replace that energy fast if you still want to hit something after a turn.
With the vertical stabilizer and "belly fins" F-16 reminds me a shark much more than it does a viper. Or a falcon. Not dure where the "Viper" came from, anyone to inform me? P. S. Excellent performance against a hornet, good job!
The F-16 entered production around the same time the original Battlestar Galactica was on US television, and the Viper name migrated as a result (supposedly).
Call me crazy. . . . . Ok. Call me crazy, but for example in fight #2, the Hornet spat out some flares just as you fired. The 9X at first seemed to bite off just a little bit, but then turned back onto the rear of the Hornet which was still flaring. The combination of burner and flares seemed to draw the seeker's attention. Is it possible that the Hornet pilot shot off too many flares? If he had loosed just two or three then cut the burners at that instant, I wonder if your 9X would have continued to bite off on those first ones and left him alone?
What does it mean to "lose lift vector placement"? I've been here for a while, and I've heard the term before, but it's never been so prevalent as in this video.
The lift vector of your plane is the direction that lift is acting on the plane; basically imagine an arrow pointing straight up out of the top of the canopy. If you want to keep tight on your opponent in a one circle fight you want to point that arrow directly at their aircraft because it minimizes the distance the nose of your plane has to move to keep them in that position. The hornet "loses lift vector placement" when it fails to keep the viper in that overhead position, which both creates separation and reduces the ability to get the nose onto the target. Together these mean that the viper was able to get into a position to the rear of the hornet and that the hornet was within the WEZ of the aim9x.
Imagine you're in a static position in the sky and the hornet is 1 mile in front of you, flying perpendicular to you. If the hornet's lift vector is pointed up and the pull hard, it'll do a vertical loop in front of you. No matter what, at the top of the loop it's further away from you than where it started, and in that orientation no matter how hard it pulls it will never be able to put its nose on you. Now imagine the hornet's in the same position but its lift vector is pointed towards you. From here when it pulls it'll either put its nose directly onto you or it will fly in a circle around you, with its distance from you dependent solely on how hard it pulls. It has a lot more control over the distance and is able to actually be a threat to you.
Maybe explain what exactly is the split S, high off bore site, lift vector???. Most people probably know the one and two circle but may not know what the other terms are. I have been watching for awhile and I know that you have "intro vids" but some of your newer subs may not know. Thanks for the video GS, I always watch your vids as soon as they come up!
GS , big fan from India could you do a "tech tree superiority dogfight" kind of series wherin you dogfight aircraft of the same country/faction and determine its best aircraft ? Eg : Su-27 vs Su-35 vs Su 30 F15 vs F18 vs F16 (Kind of like bandit unknown but different)
The problem with this idea is that (at least on the American side) the F-15, F/A-18 and F-16 were each designed for different roles. If flown with equal pilots, which one wins would be decided by starting range, and whether it's BVR/fox-2/guns-only. I would be curious to see the Russian side but the Su27 will probably lose in every situation and the real fight will be between the 30 and 35.
@@Jinmarui it was just an example , you can use ANY aircraft from ANY era , like dogfighting an i-16 with Su-30 or F-86 with F-14 Aaand yes its a guns only dogfight
Why are you getting a radar lock with the 9x? If you go into the SMS and change the 9x from bore to slave it’s then slaved to the JHMCS in DGFT mode. Then it’s just look at the target, listen for the tone, and weapons release. Much faster than getting a radar lock and uncageing the sensor.
Please excuse my immense ignorance here, but as a complete non-pilot I have a question. I'm asking both you and Longshot because I consider you both to be supremely skilled pilots and dogfighters so I'm hoping you might be willing to give me your really expert opinions. Here goes. How come you haven't got guns pointing backwards to destroy any aircraft on your tail, nor guns pointing sideways to destroy attackers on your flanks? How come you've only ever got fixed guns pointing forwards? Sorry this is a bit long but I wanted to try to explain my mystification about this because to me it seems obvious that all fighter aircraft should have those things, and there's got to be a reason why they haven't. 🙂
No it wouldnt. The F/A-18 can slow down incredible fast with it aoa capabilities and the low drag F-16 would heavily overshoot the F/A-18 in the vertical making it a easy target for the F-18 and slow speed maneuverability. The F-16 also hates to be slow making it very disadvantageous in the vertical.
The lift vector is an imaginary line extending outward from the canopy and perpendicular to the aircraft's wingspan. This line is simply a tool used to describe the plane in which an aircraft is turning. During an engagement, the tactical placement of the aircraft's lift vector is essential to achieving an advantageous position on the enemy. When a maneuvering fighter is unable (due to position, energy state, or nose authority) to gain a positional advantage with aircraft nose placement, the lift vector may be utilized. A defensive, neutral, or offensive fighter can lead or lag a bogey with its lift vector. The lift vector can be manipulated to gain an offensive (or improve a defensive) position. Once offensive, the fighter will need to transition to pulling lead with the nose to obtain a valid guns solution.
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NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
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The wife isn't as big of a GS fan as me. She walks around the house saying "Altitude, Altitude" or "Pull up, Pull up." That's about all she knows about DCS.
Her name’s not Betty by chance, is it?
That is so funny! Mine does "Altitude, Altitude!" too whenever I try to argue with her and it instantly disarms me.
I’d counter with spinning in a circle and shouting CHAFF FLARE CHAFF FLARE
Your real wife is the plane you fly...you need to remind her.
My wife and my 5 year old say "Over G, Over G". It happens more when I'm playing in the Starfighter.
It had absolutely no track, no chance..
Aim-9x: and i took that personally 4:35
[insert reply about it having no reply’s]
Beat me to it lmao
Never saw an Aim9x doing that kind of thing... o_O'
My friend and I got a good laugh out of that first kill where you just stopped the video on a ding and there's the 9X.
the wines of the f18 compressor is amazing
As a kid, I always wondered if a missile would get "mad" if it missed on the first pass and come back around and give chase. Many years later, this video answers my question.
Would love a series of advanced dogfighting tutorials/walkthroughs. I mean beyond explaining concepts of 1c and 2c, but like lift vector placement, how to advantageously manipulate an offset 2 circle, etc etc. Love the channel, each video is genuinely thrilling and very entertaining:)
The merge is clearly the most important factor in how these fights go. Every time you didn't stick close and maneuver with your bandit as well as you could, it created too much separation. Every time you won, you read and reacted to his movement much better.
It is neat to see that DCS models G-loc even after you are hit. Shows situations that a pilot might not eject not due to blackout and not instant death
4:54 it’s been so long since you ejected yourself into the ground
I laughed hysterically when I heard the splat sound😂
I wondered why he was taking so long to punch out...
"Too close for missiles, I'm switching to.......damn it"
Love the chanel, this seams to be a bit of a guilty pleasure thing for me ,considering I'm a 63 year old aviation nut! .. would love to see the F20 tiger shark up against the F 16. regards...nick here in the UK
Still waiting for GS to drop his version of the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”
I'd tell you to get used to disappointment, but you probably already are.
It'll happen when and if he wants it to happen
🤔👍🏽
YEEESSSS BRO
GS throughout the ages:
"Remember, real missiles don't chase you like in 'Behind Enemy Lines'."
9X:
"Hold my beer."
I saw this video drop, clicked "Like," and watched the first minute as GS introduced this scenario. Then I watched in horror as his life flashed before his eyes at 1:01.
Well, brother, no one can say you don't get qualified pilots to fly OpFor in your videos! Thanks again for letting us fly duel with you on your digital adventures!!
Edit: I watched that first fight again and had to come back to say that 9X was _dirty_ man, looping around to hit you in the face like that!
The F-16 may be old, but the Hornet design goes back to the YF-17 that competed with it in the lightweight fighter program. Granted, the YF-17 seems to be the first production-intended fighter that optimized intentionally for instantaneous turn rate, but the F-18 was there at the beginning, even if it was retooled for naval squadrons and refined to introduce later.
YF16 and YF17 were in competition where airforce chosed f16 and navy f18 mostly because of landing gear and 2 engines in case of failure, oh and range too.
Man you’re really fucking good at this content creator thing. The parts where you cut to a silent black screen mid-sentence when you get killed 🤌
LOL... I knew it was coming as soon as he said "there is a little too much seperation, I don't love it". 😅😅😅
A great video for GS to drop on my birthday, however the enemy Port-A-Potty factory remains in production, which is an existential threat to the free world!
The sound of a toilet flushing just before the bomb hit is still the most hilarious thing I've seen in his videos!
Last kill was so quick, it was the whole highlight reel.
I believe you just proved why this original air frame was designated the Fighting Falcon! Good video as usual! 👍
Nice video. Interesting for sure. With both planes are of similar age - so this was worth seeing how they would fare against each other.
Well, that first one was over in a hurry... 😆
This scenario demonstrates the value of the AIM-9X. It is still a very useful part of an aircraft's overall weapons load, and can still deal death to any adversary that takes it for granted.
Lol! You talk about the modern dogfight disadvantaging the ancient Falcon, but you're flying against a Hornet...
Thank you, that was entertaining. Illustrates just how unforgiving the modern dogfight is.
Let’s goo the fight we’ve all been waiting for
5:00 That 9x was determined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Those fights were so fast. Both excellent aircraft.
Hey GS somebody asked you to do F-22 Raptor vs KF-21 Boromae perhaps for 144 days. Can you do it for him/her? plz😊
Good fights. Damn good fights, on both your parts. Thank you
Love that F-16 in camo.
Excellent Pic capture of that first missile
Weather looks Great
I’ve been asking for this for months 😂👍
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 71
I've said it before and will say it again. Man, I love the sound of the Hornet engines.
Can't help laughing when you explain the situation all the into the ground!
Nice! Good work, man!
That SEA camo F-16 is really nice
The aggressor Hornets looked great too
You’ve gotta do a A10 vs Eurofighter BVR fight
That Vietnam camo on the F-16 is gorgeous!
Sometimes I wonder if your opponent is ready to throw something across the room by the end of these matches. Well done.
Two pretty evenly matched aircraft
I would love to see those new gigantic missiles on the f-15. I know they're only supposed to be for the f-18 but I think they would work really well with the f-15s awesome radar. Please try it!
1:08 alright ggs good video
It will be interesting to see the F/A-18E, the F-16V, and other updated 4th Gen fighters.
9x likes to play with its prey... At least in your videos 🙂
Requesting Su-57 vs J-20.
Seen the aim9x loop back around quite a lot
Great flying skills and great video 👏👏👏
Awesome lightweight fighter duel! I'll put in a bid for a manufacturer 2v2, BVR/BFM clash. Example: Lockheed's Viper and Lightning 2 vs. Boeing's Super Hornet and Eagle 2. 🤔
@GrowlingSidewinder, do you have a video where you get into the nuances of "lift vector placement". I'd love to dig into that.
F18 howl is great!
That first kill made me audibly laugh!
The 2nd round you were flying in the same direction as Anvil when you merged...that's a pretty decent lead turn...
Round 3 was Karma.
Loved that wtf moment...😅😊😂
I would love a good explanation on lift vector placement
Hoping the "BF3 Going Hunting" guy doesnt show up.... ah dammit. Oh well.😂
😂
Since there are apparently alot of mods, and the like in DCS is the F-16XL prototype out there? I think it would be interesting to see. It was one of thr first fighters to incorporate the Super Cruise technology
I think the 9Xs were so good because both of you had your burners lit up. You, on the loop around against you and the tight perimeters on him.
I fist pumped when you won the second round. :)
I feel like in situations like these, it might be an advantage to have a slower, but longer burning motor for your missiles so that they can pull off those high endurance maneuvers like looping around after an initial miss.
Need a fast motor to be able to keep speed with those turns. AIM9-Xs can pull like 60Gs; you'd have to replace that energy fast if you still want to hit something after a turn.
Viper look great in the Vietnam Camo
Viper lookin smooth
Those kills were good. But those deaths were very surprising. Epically surprising. Just "blam" you were dead. lol.
A little zoom zoom, a little pew pew, a little brrt brrt, and some pow pow - can't ask for more. Great video!
It's not the plane,
It's the missile!
I've got a birthday in 20 minutes! Could you please fly in the old mighty I-16 Donkey against a F-22 Raptor and/or a Su-57 Felon?
Happy Birthday
Solid birthday request
Happy bday!
@@rickdubbink Thanks!
My beautiful F/A 18.
please do more 9x videos i love this missile
They've taken all the fun out of dogfighting...
Where did you get that nice skin at 3:43 for the F-16? Looks awesome!
anvils getting real good esp against GS recently
do you use flaps at slow speeds? I find it really cranks up the instantanious turn rate, to get off that missile
Say hello to my little friend… thrust vectored aim 9x. (Yes I know it’s not what happened)
With the vertical stabilizer and "belly fins" F-16 reminds me a shark much more than it does a viper. Or a falcon. Not dure where the "Viper" came from, anyone to inform me? P. S. Excellent performance against a hornet, good job!
The F-16 entered production around the same time the original Battlestar Galactica was on US television, and the Viper name migrated as a result (supposedly).
Call me crazy.
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Ok. Call me crazy, but for example in fight #2, the Hornet spat out some flares just as you fired. The 9X at first seemed to bite off just a little bit, but then turned back onto the rear of the Hornet which was still flaring. The combination of burner and flares seemed to draw the seeker's attention. Is it possible that the Hornet pilot shot off too many flares? If he had loosed just two or three then cut the burners at that instant, I wonder if your 9X would have continued to bite off on those first ones and left him alone?
The aim9 in the first shot was so close you could mistake it for a copilot😅
you should do a mock air show
What does it mean to "lose lift vector placement"? I've been here for a while, and I've heard the term before, but it's never been so prevalent as in this video.
The lift vector of your plane is the direction that lift is acting on the plane; basically imagine an arrow pointing straight up out of the top of the canopy. If you want to keep tight on your opponent in a one circle fight you want to point that arrow directly at their aircraft because it minimizes the distance the nose of your plane has to move to keep them in that position. The hornet "loses lift vector placement" when it fails to keep the viper in that overhead position, which both creates separation and reduces the ability to get the nose onto the target. Together these mean that the viper was able to get into a position to the rear of the hornet and that the hornet was within the WEZ of the aim9x.
Imagine you're in a static position in the sky and the hornet is 1 mile in front of you, flying perpendicular to you. If the hornet's lift vector is pointed up and the pull hard, it'll do a vertical loop in front of you. No matter what, at the top of the loop it's further away from you than where it started, and in that orientation no matter how hard it pulls it will never be able to put its nose on you.
Now imagine the hornet's in the same position but its lift vector is pointed towards you. From here when it pulls it'll either put its nose directly onto you or it will fly in a circle around you, with its distance from you dependent solely on how hard it pulls. It has a lot more control over the distance and is able to actually be a threat to you.
GS, do you think the Super Hornet could fare better than the legacy Hornet in this scenario?
Damn, the 9x:s where feeling froggy today :)
Maybe explain what exactly is the split S, high off bore site, lift vector???. Most people probably know the one and two circle but may not know what the other terms are. I have been watching for awhile and I know that you have "intro vids" but some of your newer subs may not know. Thanks for the video GS, I always watch your vids as soon as they come up!
Cant you just google it ?
A missile that maneuvers like an airplane?!
Are the sound effects new? They sound good. Also the graphics are amazing.
DCS needs little more tuning on the 9x but looking much better.
Welp, there ya go, catapulting yourself into the ground again 😂
Impressive 9xs.
GS , big fan from India
could you do a "tech tree superiority dogfight" kind of series wherin you dogfight aircraft of the same country/faction and determine its best aircraft ?
Eg : Su-27 vs Su-35 vs Su 30
F15 vs F18 vs F16
(Kind of like bandit unknown but different)
The problem with this idea is that (at least on the American side) the F-15, F/A-18 and F-16 were each designed for different roles. If flown with equal pilots, which one wins would be decided by starting range, and whether it's BVR/fox-2/guns-only.
I would be curious to see the Russian side but the Su27 will probably lose in every situation and the real fight will be between the 30 and 35.
@@Jinmarui it was just an example , you can use ANY aircraft from ANY era , like dogfighting an i-16 with Su-30 or F-86 with F-14
Aaand yes its a guns only dogfight
Guns only dogfight with viper please 😊
What would Vietnam have looked like with AIM-9x's
Same as now: jungly, hilly, and green
Why are you getting a radar lock with the 9x? If you go into the SMS and change the 9x from bore to slave it’s then slaved to the JHMCS in DGFT mode. Then it’s just look at the target, listen for the tone, and weapons release. Much faster than getting a radar lock and uncageing the sensor.
4:50 bro 😭😭😂
Please excuse my immense ignorance here, but as a complete non-pilot I have a question. I'm asking both you and Longshot because I consider you both to be supremely skilled pilots and dogfighters so I'm hoping you might be willing to give me your really expert opinions. Here goes.
How come you haven't got guns pointing backwards to destroy any aircraft on your tail, nor guns pointing sideways to destroy attackers on your flanks? How come you've only ever got fixed guns pointing forwards?
Sorry this is a bit long but I wanted to try to explain my mystification about this because to me it seems obvious that all fighter aircraft should have those things, and there's got to be a reason why they haven't. 🙂
Great vid!! Try f16 vs f35 HOBS fight !!!
I'm here, still waitin' for my requests, Su-35 vs F-35.
I'm ACM expert but I thought a Split S was more for disengaging from a fight than initiating one. Wouldn't an Immelmann work better?
No it wouldnt. The F/A-18 can slow down incredible fast with it aoa capabilities and the low drag F-16 would heavily overshoot the F/A-18 in the vertical making it a easy target for the F-18 and slow speed maneuverability. The F-16 also hates to be slow making it very disadvantageous in the vertical.
@@pyronuke4768 That is correct
What is "lift vector placement"?
The lift vector is an imaginary line extending outward from the canopy and perpendicular to the
aircraft's wingspan. This line is simply a tool used to describe the plane in which
an aircraft is turning. During an engagement, the tactical placement of the aircraft's lift vector is
essential to achieving an advantageous position on the enemy. When a maneuvering fighter is
unable (due to position, energy state, or nose authority) to gain a positional advantage with
aircraft nose placement, the lift vector may be utilized. A defensive, neutral, or offensive fighter
can lead or lag a bogey with its lift vector. The lift vector can be manipulated to gain an
offensive (or improve a defensive) position. Once offensive, the fighter will need to transition to
pulling lead with the nose to obtain a valid guns solution.
Interesting to see F16 no pylons, 2 wingtip 9x vs F18 with pylons, 2 wingtip 9x. Should be like for like?
Have you ever been downed by your enemies broken up fuselage?
f-18 sounds soooo good.