@@cyfi55 ~ No one is suggesting the mother is happy about her son's sentence. But she was obviously delusional of his ruthlessness. Nor would she care about the man he brutally murdered. Regardless, she needs to accept the truth, and the consequences...
Its attention to details, as I can remember he's a Texan or from south. its like a pattern in LAO if the perp have murdered a black person he will be represented by a black lawyer or a Misogynist itll be a female lawyer.
1. If you don't want your kid executed, maybe work towards abolishing capital punishment. 2. The kid brutally killed a guy and tried to rope his friends into participating along the way, and the only thing the defense can say is, "OK, he screwed up this time, but he'll be better in a few years"?? There is a case from 2017 in Michigan where a bunch of teenage boys who killed a guy by throwing a rock from a highway overpass. The oldest kid got 3 years and was released January 2021, one kid got his charges dropped, the rest got probation. These kids were chucking rocks at speeding cars, ended up killing one man, and laughed about it until they were arrested. As you might imagine, the victim's family was quite upset by how this case turned out.
Dont' blame the family for being upset. I haven't looked into it, but I'd be willing to bet not a single one of those kids is an upstanding member of society now either. They got away with a thrill kill; what incentive to be better humans do they have?
You know it’s brutal when you can only see the feet of the victim and you know it’s an interesting episode when the death penalty is part of the story.
So he is a teenager with good grades, a promising future, and so what? If he really wanted to have that good future, why the hell did he go and MURDER that hapless delivery man? And for what? Money? Laughs? Kicks? Don't ever let anyone tell you that a young person cannot be a cold blooded killer, because those sick bastards are becoming younger every day. And they DARE to use their AGE to justify not being executed?! The utter gall these bastards have!
Did anyone else notice in the end how the kid looked so annoyed with his mother after it was decided he would be executed? He was like "Mom, let me be executed with dignity" LOL at least that's how I'm perceiving it.
This was such a good episode. I felt so bad for that hard working man, and his family. It also reminds me of another L&O episode where they murdered a teenage delivery young man, former alter boy, that the church refused to stand up for...
Thanks to one of the defendant's lawyers not challenging McCoy and Ross holding separate trials, which leads to a plea deal in exchange for testifying against that defendant. And in a bittersweet moment, the mother of the victim forgives that very defendant.
@@chrischin_94 Dunno, dealing with a triangular Flatland dimensional entity is already punishment enough. Since the A-X-O-L-O-T-L, may mean he might return.
Bringing in the age, the race, all that stuff into questioning is just wrong. That adult, yes adult, killed another adult in cold blood, beat him mercilessly, and made sure to finish the job with no regard for life or getting caught. No person just regresses from that, no person can truly change back after such disregard to another human being. They can only get worse, especially if you give them the chance to. It wasn’t an accident, it wasn’t a crime of passion. It was horrible and cruel, just for the heck of it. He deserves what he gets, a painless injection, 1000 times more merciful than what he gave that poor man.
I used to think years ago after watching this that this was an over the top use of the death penalty statute... but nowadays i agree with you completely. Any argument against seeking the death penalty for this crime would be clouded by emotion and not facts. It fit the statute perfectly. He planned this crime from the start and essentially, this man was tortured. Crimes like this are what that statute was written for. To avoid using it for any reason just isnt sound judgement.
The episode of Law & Order is called Teenage Wasteland episode 12 of season 11 and originally aired on NBC on February 7, 2001 and in the episode a group of teenagers are arrested for the murder of a Chinese restaurant owners and in the episode the Interim District Attorney D.A. Nora Lewin played by Dianne Wiest must decide whether or not to seek the death penalty against the eldest teenager of the group and the eldest teenager Mitch Regan is played by Alex Feldman and the episode is one of my favourite episodes of the series and a lot of moral and ethical issues are brought up in the episode like it is appropriate to seek the death penalty for a man who is a barely an adult and still a teenager who has a history of violence and apparently committed the crime simply because he wanted to kill someone and it is an emotional and intense episode too, I love L&O and it is the best.
I don't fully understand how we jumped to the death penalty. Like, a lot of people get killed in this show and are sentenced to life in prison or less.
@@Animedingo it’s because of the nature of the crime, the complete disregard of the victim, the cruelty of the perpetrator, the lack of empathy, the fact that he (Mitch) at no point stopped the attack… In fact, when he discovered the victim was alive, instead of, even anonymously, calling 911, he made sure the victim was truly dead by smashing his head in with a rock. The killer is an unredeemable psychopath, imo.
Fun fact, between 1995 when New York State reinstated its death penalty, and 2004 when the Court of Appeals invalidated the death penalty in People v. LaValle not a single person was executed. In fact, the first person who was sentenced to death post-95 had his sentence overturned by the Court of Appeals. I put that under the category of "Sign of Things to Come"
They say hes not old enough to face the consequences, but he was old enough to commit the crime. This happens all the time when kids/teenagers commit awfully acts and get away with it because their deemed too young to face consequences. Do they go on to commit other crimes and destroy more lives.
Actually, in this instance, the lawyer tried to plead guilty to life imprisonment before McCoy could file an application for the death penalty but McCoy had it overturned. The argument was never about whether or not to hold him accountable. The argument was about killing him versus just sending him to prison. And McCoy was right, it would not be fair to the victim or anyone they did decide to execute to not treat him as an adult.
This case transcends the times we live in now. I always ask just one question when someone says.."don't kill him, just put him in jail...he's so young"...well to that I say..."let me ask the victim what he thinks "...
I totally agree an 18 years old man or woman are old enough to join the military, get married, vote and other things without parental consent and 18 years old are old enough to know right from wrong and old enough to commit heinous crimes which means they are old enough to get the death penalty if they are found guilty by a jury.
The murderer's mother was also the assistant to the Broadway playwright who killed his lover under the influence of his manipulative therapist. 3:35 a young, pre-Gravity Falls Jason Ritter.
Its amazing watching these episodes how some of the guest actors gave really great performances despite being nowhere near household names. Some of these performances could have earned awards, And many of these actors and actresses like the perp's mother here were used multiple times. That's something that this show had going for it and does again during its current run, they have so many theater actors in NYC that can do these guest roles.
Your issue with the death penalty should be that because of a rigged, and often corrupt, justice and legal system; cops can brutalize kids and adults into false confessions, juries can, because of the leeway that both lawyers and cops are provided, convict defendants due to skewed information, manipulated data, and false testimonies, and clever speechifying. A lot of innocent people have been put to death. It's just as easy to give someone a sentence of life without parole, or life with the possibility of parole after 20-30 or even 50 years. All of that is possible, and should be done until we fix a truly broken system.
This was based on a true crime that happened in Jamaica queens ny , but it was with black teenagers, I went to School with one of the guys. It was sad cause we just finished catholic school and we was all starting high school, the girl in the group had her bags packed for college.
Half the time this episode reruns I forget to turn the sound down during the verdict. Nothing like a wailing mother to give you an unwelcome wake up call.
I remember this episode. I used to be angry that they decided to pursue the death penalty here. But now I understand why they did. This was a heinous crime, it fit the statute perfectly. Anything about his age (as long as he's old enough, which he is) is an emotional argument and thus invalid. The law is facts, not emotions. And like it or not, what he did fit the statute and it has to be applied fairly. We can debate all we want what went wrong in this young man's life, and we should...But the fact remains that he committed an absolute monstrosity on an innocent man, and planned it from the beginning.
The defendant's lawyer has the tie on because he was originally a councilman from South Carolina. And he conspired to put up a picture of Frank Underwood's father with a Klan member in a spite of revenge instigated by Underwood's own wife
start carrying out the appropriate sentence and people will stop thinking it's okay to commit a hate crime man deserves to die for killing the guy just for fun and thinking it's not wrong because asians are less than himself
The mother caused this...coddling that brat. He callously took a human life and knew it was wrong...when a dog is rabid, we put down the dog so no others can be hurt. There was no oops and he made his choice. I feel no pity or remorse save the victim. Fiction or not...this is justice.
I didn’t understand Nora’s views. Was it because he was white. I could understand her having this problem if it a drug case but a murder case. What was her problem?
@@GAshoneybear So was Adam Schiff. Didn't stop him from seeking the death penalty for the cop killers in Savages (season 6) and Bad Girl (Season 8). Likewise, Nora decides to do the same in here, despite looking for legal loophole not to do so.
I'm personally against the death penalty. Capital punishment is just legalized murder. Two wrongs don't make a right. Anyone who commits the heinous crime of murder should be sent to prison for the rest of his life with no eligibility to apply for parole. The definition of 'life in prison' should be just that, the remainder of the murderer's life. The current definition of '25 years to life' is wrong.
Yea maybe because this show is fucking old and the death penalty has been abolished in most states (as it should be). Also, under the law, the kid was an adult, so your statement makes even less sense.
Dude is an adult. The reason no one gets the death penalty any more is cause it's cheaper on tax payers. It costs more to sentence someone to death than to lock them up forever why both sentencing people to death?
@@ShadeScarecrow You obviously missed the the point. Back during that season (when the death penalty was active), they had plenty of other older killers do worse things and get less time.
This was season 11, which was 2000-2001. The death penalty in New York was abolished in 2004 after an appeals court ruling. That being said, no execution had taken place since 1963.
This reminds me of that Brock Turner case at least, in this case, the Gabe proper punishment. I just don't get why his age matters in the fact he mercilessly killed someone in cold blood. He knew it was wrong.
while that may seem to be a harsher sentence in that he would suffer much much longer he doesn't deserve to live out his life in any manner and to do so would actually be showing mercy that the victim never got. Plus that's a lot of tax dollars wasted. Think of what could be done with a the money spent on incarcerating animals for most of (if not all of) their lives. Death penalty needs to be used more often and the sentences carried out much sooner. No spending 10-20 (or more) years on death row.
It is because of how heinous the crime is heinous and it was thrill kill too and a murder that is so senseless the murderer deserves the death penalty.
Keep in mind that Mitch has offended before and did not learn from nor regret his actions then. Life imprisonment would simply make him a hardened crim inside
There are juvenile delinquents who are lost young lost soul who can be rehabilitated and become better people and productive members of society but there are juvenile delinquents who are pure evil and have no conscience and are not lost souls and if they commit a crime and found guilty they should the punishment they deserve.
The problem is the death penalty isn't practical. it's too costly and goes against the constitution when you mess it up. States mess it up a lot more than they like to talk about. In theory it's a good punishment in practice it's not.
I don't know exactly how death penalty works but here in guatemala the prisoners work outside like they control everything and keep hurting people also some get away and some just set free before they finish the sentence because of "good behavior", so I wish death sentence was legal but it won't happened because of human rights 😔
@@delmicortave ~ In the US it depends on each state's laws. As they are all different. Liberal leaning states are usually more lenient on criminals, than the conservative ones...
Yet billions still don’t kill people before that. That argument is so annoying. You know what you’re doing at 18 when you’re literally murdering someone.
Anybody sentenced to death wanted to be sentenced to death. I can’t understand why those on death row stay there 10, 20, 25 years. It’s a waste of taxpayers’ money! Why can’t one sentenced to death be executed right away? It might give more people incentive not to commit crimes! Laugh all you want, but I know what I’m saying!
They have the legal right of appeals and most people use them up to prolong their life. People have been found innocent in the time it takes from conviction to execution.
Hell no. Death by firing squad is inhumane. Not just for the criminal, but for the people firing the gun. Imagine living with the idea that you probably just killed a human being. Killing isn't as easy as the internet makes it look kiddo.
@@Deborahtunes The problem is it's come out that there have been a lot of false positives on DNA, which is why we wait because some people have been screwed by false readings.
As much as we are all on the side of the victim...science shows that the brain is not fully developed at 18. Sure he should have been indicted, but I'm not convinced that death was the moral way to go here.
One, he's not a minor, two, he already has a record for a previous assault where he blinded the other kid literally a couple of months before he turned 16, three, he is the one that instigated the crime and landed the killing blow on the victim. All of those factors add up along with the fact that the man was restrianed, disoriented from the beating and still under the blanket. They could have easily left him there breathing and alive, he finished him off when he thought he saw their faces by caving in his skull of a complete stranger. You tell me if that's not a bit excessive.
Using his age as an argument is just an excuse. He knew FUL WELL what he was doing. He deserved it. You do the crime, then accept the punishment. Don't give out some sob story about being too young to die and you got a future ahead of you. So did your victim.
pathetic that she has to read a prepared statement so that it is politically correct and then she is called as witness for the defence - i thought she was terrible in her role as she aint no Adam
This feels like a full episode without commercials.
more like just the highlights. I wish they had shown more.
I know! It's incredible
This is the second posting I've seen where they gave a synopsis of the entire episode...
And I want more like that!
Mother screaming DONT KILL HIM. How about the poor guy he mercilessly beat to death for no reason?
It's his mother. How realistic would it be if she stood up and applauded the reccomendation?
@@cyfi55 no one expects her to applaud.
@@elisejackson2854 let me rephrase: How realistic would it be for her to be happy that her son's going to pine oil heaven?
Agreed😊
@@cyfi55 ~ No one is suggesting the mother is happy about her son's sentence. But she was obviously delusional of his ruthlessness. Nor would she care about the man he brutally murdered. Regardless, she needs to accept the truth, and the consequences...
The most heinous crime here was the defendant’s counselor’s choice of neckwear in a court of law.
😂😂😂
In NYC, of all places.
Its attention to details, as I can remember he's a Texan or from south. its like a pattern in LAO if the perp have murdered a black person he will be represented by a black lawyer or a Misogynist itll be a female lawyer.
The channel even agreed with you!!! 😂😂
I noticed that myself
1. If you don't want your kid executed, maybe work towards abolishing capital punishment.
2. The kid brutally killed a guy and tried to rope his friends into participating along the way, and the only thing the defense can say is, "OK, he screwed up this time, but he'll be better in a few years"??
There is a case from 2017 in Michigan where a bunch of teenage boys who killed a guy by throwing a rock from a highway overpass. The oldest kid got 3 years and was released January 2021, one kid got his charges dropped, the rest got probation. These kids were chucking rocks at speeding cars, ended up killing one man, and laughed about it until they were arrested.
As you might imagine, the victim's family was quite upset by how this case turned out.
Dont' blame the family for being upset. I haven't looked into it, but I'd be willing to bet not a single one of those kids is an upstanding member of society now either. They got away with a thrill kill; what incentive to be better humans do they have?
I remember hearing about that. If I recall correctly, they read their Snapchat messages as evidence.
@@prettyevil6662000 What would stop those punks from doing it again? They should've been prosecuted as adults, and done major time.
@@detmstr341 Why stop there? 13 percent of the population is responsible for 52 percent of the crime. Execute them all
I remember that case! Apparently they also threw a shopping trolley from another overpass. I didn't realise they basically all got away with it.
You know it’s brutal when you can only see the feet of the victim and you know it’s an interesting episode when the death penalty is part of the story.
So he is a teenager with good grades, a promising future, and so what? If he really wanted to have that good future, why the hell did he go and MURDER that hapless delivery man? And for what? Money? Laughs? Kicks? Don't ever let anyone tell you that a young person cannot be a cold blooded killer, because those sick bastards are becoming younger every day. And they DARE to use their AGE to justify not being executed?! The utter gall these bastards have!
Most teenagers do alot of horrible things
@@DonOctavioSanchezTrue, but most teenagers don’t commit brutal murder
You can't put someone to death just because you don't care what their age is.
its...a tv show.
unfortunately, NYS has abolished capital punishment.
That was quite the 8 minute journey we went on together
Did anyone else notice in the end how the kid looked so annoyed with his mother after it was decided he would be executed? He was like "Mom, let me be executed with dignity" LOL at least that's how I'm perceiving it.
"God, can't even die without you being cringe mom!"
Yup!
I'd like to think it's both that and the reality of the verdict slowly hitting him like the cement brick he used on the crime.
Whoever played the homeless guy was fantastic.
This was such a good episode. I felt so bad for that hard working man, and his family.
It also reminds me of another L&O episode where they murdered a teenage delivery young man, former alter boy, that the church refused to stand up for...
What is the name episode of law and order?
@@andrewjackson5236 Thrill season 8 episode 1
@@Davvvee ~ Thanks. I tried to find it earlier, but then got sidetracked with something...👍🙂🎸
Thanks to one of the defendant's lawyers not challenging McCoy and Ross holding separate trials, which leads to a plea deal in exchange for testifying against that defendant. And in a bittersweet moment, the mother of the victim forgives that very defendant.
Yes, at first I thought it was that episode. They are both rivetingly sickening.
This case was so good, the law part was amazing
The victims of those who commit such heinous crimes don't get a 2nd chance. Neither should the perpetrator.
Crazy to see a young Jason Ritter guest starred in both the original law and order and SVU!
That SVU plot was unbelievable. Especially the part when the woman talks about the threesome...
@@fromthehaven94 Until it became a twosome...and she wasn't one of them...
His father John Ritter also appeared on SVU a year before Jason did!
Why is that crazy?
Jason Ritter is the son of the late John Ritter and the voice actor of Dipper Pines from Gravity Falls.
Glad to see he was paroled and made something of his life after this sentence 👍
@@chrischin_94 Dunno, dealing with a triangular Flatland dimensional entity is already punishment enough. Since the A-X-O-L-O-T-L, may mean he might return.
That's great
Bringing in the age, the race, all that stuff into questioning is just wrong. That adult, yes adult, killed another adult in cold blood, beat him mercilessly, and made sure to finish the job with no regard for life or getting caught. No person just regresses from that, no person can truly change back after such disregard to another human being. They can only get worse, especially if you give them the chance to. It wasn’t an accident, it wasn’t a crime of passion. It was horrible and cruel, just for the heck of it. He deserves what he gets, a painless injection, 1000 times more merciful than what he gave that poor man.
I used to think years ago after watching this that this was an over the top use of the death penalty statute... but nowadays i agree with you completely. Any argument against seeking the death penalty for this crime would be clouded by emotion and not facts. It fit the statute perfectly. He planned this crime from the start and essentially, this man was tortured. Crimes like this are what that statute was written for. To avoid using it for any reason just isnt sound judgement.
The episode of Law & Order is called Teenage Wasteland episode 12 of season 11 and originally aired on NBC on February 7, 2001 and in the episode a group of teenagers are arrested for the murder of a Chinese restaurant owners and in the episode the Interim District Attorney D.A. Nora Lewin played by Dianne Wiest must decide whether or not to seek the death penalty against the eldest teenager of the group and the eldest teenager Mitch Regan is played by Alex Feldman and the episode is one of my favourite episodes of the series and a lot of moral and ethical issues are brought up in the episode like it is appropriate to seek the death penalty for a man who is a barely an adult and still a teenager who has a history of violence and apparently committed the crime simply because he wanted to kill someone and it is an emotional and intense episode too, I love L&O and it is the best.
I don't fully understand how we jumped to the death penalty. Like, a lot of people get killed in this show and are sentenced to life in prison or less.
@@Animedingo it’s because of the nature of the crime, the complete disregard of the victim, the cruelty of the perpetrator, the lack of empathy, the fact that he (Mitch) at no point stopped the attack… In fact, when he discovered the victim was alive, instead of, even anonymously, calling 911, he made sure the victim was truly dead by smashing his head in with a rock. The killer is an unredeemable psychopath, imo.
Mau I ask a question? What the motives for these young boys for killing the Chinese restaurant owner?
@@rizalukman7982 That's part of what made it such a terrible crime. There wasn't one. They killed him for no reason except their own amusement.
@@rizalukman7982 For the thrill of it
I love how you can watch 10-12mins of these LAOs and get the ending with out watching a 50min epi..LOL
Forgiveness is between this kid and God. Its Jack McCoy's job to arrange the meeting.
Denzel Washington line in "Man on Fire"👍🏾
Wish these earlier seasons were added on Peacock, starts with season 13.
Might be the reason why they're summarizing the entire episode, rather than leaving a teaser...
Fun fact, between 1995 when New York State reinstated its death penalty, and 2004 when the Court of Appeals invalidated the death penalty in People v. LaValle not a single person was executed. In fact, the first person who was sentenced to death post-95 had his sentence overturned by the Court of Appeals. I put that under the category of "Sign of Things to Come"
Does kind of retroactively make the debate of this episode pointless when all death row inmates ended up not getting executed.
Wow
Two people executed on the show were played by Isabel Gillies (Kathy Stabler on SVU) and Chris Bauer (of The Wire and True Blood).
Where’s the “fun” part?
They say hes not old enough to face the consequences, but he was old enough to commit the crime. This happens all the time when kids/teenagers commit awfully acts and get away with it because their deemed too young to face consequences. Do they go on to commit other crimes and destroy more lives.
Actually, in this instance, the lawyer tried to plead guilty to life imprisonment before McCoy could file an application for the death penalty but McCoy had it overturned. The argument was never about whether or not to hold him accountable. The argument was about killing him versus just sending him to prison. And McCoy was right, it would not be fair to the victim or anyone they did decide to execute to not treat him as an adult.
Oh my God Dipper's getting the needle.
:(
He must be the son of the late John Ritter, who himself guest starred on an SVU episode.
He is, at 3:26! He also appeared on SVU about a year after his father’s episode.
This case transcends the times we live in now. I always ask just one question when someone says.."don't kill him, just put him in jail...he's so young"...well to that I say..."let me ask the victim what he thinks "...
Oh wait that’s right you can’t he’s dead you assholes!
Oh wait you can’t he’s dead that why!
They keep talking about kids then the first one they show is a 28yo man 😂
You’re being generous at 28yo, but totally agree.
8:19 His mother crying and begging for him not put death but where is the tear's for his victim and the victim's family
I'm against the death penalty but in this case it's the only just punishment.
I feel like the death penalty should be used only in the most extreme cases, like this one.
If that's your belief then I don't think you can say you're against the death penalty.
I'm against the death penalty and in this case it's the unjust punishment.
He so looks like his dad. RIP John
Color never matter when crime like this exists!
18: old enough to be drafted/old enough for capital punishment
I totally agree an 18 years old man or woman are old enough to join the military, get married, vote and other things without parental consent and 18 years old are old enough to know right from wrong and old enough to commit heinous crimes which means they are old enough to get the death penalty if they are found guilty by a jury.
NY passed the death penalty statute but purposefully made it defective so nobody could be executed
Jason Ritter!
Wait, Dipper Pines in this episode?
The murderer's mother was also the assistant to the Broadway playwright who killed his lover under the influence of his manipulative therapist.
3:35 a young, pre-Gravity Falls Jason Ritter.
Yeap, "Shrunk", season 14 episode 4👍🏾
I swore I recognized this dude. Thanks. As a new yorker his slight accent was pretty believable
Its amazing watching these episodes how some of the guest actors gave really great performances despite being nowhere near household names. Some of these performances could have earned awards, And many of these actors and actresses like the perp's mother here were used multiple times. That's something that this show had going for it and does again during its current run, they have so many theater actors in NYC that can do these guest roles.
0:13 that was the most non surprised “OMG!” Ive ever heard 💀
Don't want the death penalty? Don't murder someone
My only issue with the death penalty is that it isn't used fast enough. We spend hundreds of thousands and years before we finally remove them.
They remove it then when all the sickos start springing out of the woodwork
👍🏾
But still mange to execute countless inocents....
"other states are trying to abolish the death penalty.... my state's putting in an express lane." - Ron "tater" White
Your issue with the death penalty should be that because of a rigged, and often corrupt, justice and legal system; cops can brutalize kids and adults into false confessions, juries can, because of the leeway that both lawyers and cops are provided, convict defendants due to skewed information, manipulated data, and false testimonies, and clever speechifying. A lot of innocent people have been put to death. It's just as easy to give someone a sentence of life without parole, or life with the possibility of parole after 20-30 or even 50 years. All of that is possible, and should be done until we fix a truly broken system.
This case provided Nora Lewin a few sleepless nights
“[…]I wish it didn’t happen like that-I mean, not on my birthday_”
I Forgot Dianne Weist as a DA ... I Remember Her Being a Judge at One Point or Another
Is that Orlando from the wire? The lawyer for the kid halfway through. I can't quite put my finger on it.
Yup, that was Orlando.
At 18 you know killing is bad and if you do it anyway you can’t say “I’m 18 I don’t know any better”
This was based on a true crime that happened in Jamaica queens ny , but it was with black teenagers, I went to
School with one of the guys. It was sad cause we just finished catholic school and we was all starting high school, the girl in the group had her bags packed for college.
Half the time this episode reruns I forget to turn the sound down during the verdict. Nothing like a wailing mother to give you an unwelcome wake up call.
The only problem I had with this episode is that we never found out what happened to the other punks who were with this kid.
Make an adult decision expect adult consequences
I find this kinda good to watch, everyone in the courtroom is 1000% against killing a young man, you can clearly see it in their faces.
Horrifying that this is one of the "ripped from the headlines" episodes
And then sits on death row for the next Twenty Years.
Teenager now must know about this discrimination
"Now I'm just a simple country lawyer"
irony is that lawyer from Southern part of US request no death penalty and New York prosecutor seek death penalty.
I remember this episode. I used to be angry that they decided to pursue the death penalty here. But now I understand why they did. This was a heinous crime, it fit the statute perfectly. Anything about his age (as long as he's old enough, which he is) is an emotional argument and thus invalid. The law is facts, not emotions. And like it or not, what he did fit the statute and it has to be applied fairly. We can debate all we want what went wrong in this young man's life, and we should...But the fact remains that he committed an absolute monstrosity on an innocent man, and planned it from the beginning.
Best female prosecutors on this show: Hennessey, Harmon and Roehm!🤘
The defendant's lawyer has the tie on because he was originally a councilman from South Carolina. And he conspired to put up a picture of Frank Underwood's father with a Klan member in a spite of revenge instigated by Underwood's own wife
My man had it coming. Also first
start carrying out the appropriate sentence and people will stop thinking it's okay to commit a hate crime man deserves to die for killing the guy just for fun and thinking it's not wrong because asians are less than himself
Shoulda used affluenza defense.
It sounds like that's what Nora was trying to do.
The mother caused this...coddling that brat. He callously took a human life and knew it was wrong...when a dog is rabid, we put down the dog so no others can be hurt. There was no oops and he made his choice. I feel no pity or remorse save the victim. Fiction or not...this is justice.
I didn’t understand Nora’s views. Was it because he was white. I could understand her having this problem if it a drug case but a murder case. What was her problem?
Nora was anti death penalty if I remembered correctly.
@@GAshoneybear So was Adam Schiff. Didn't stop him from seeking the death penalty for the cop killers in Savages (season 6) and Bad Girl (Season 8).
Likewise, Nora decides to do the same in here, despite looking for legal loophole not to do so.
I'm personally against the death penalty. Capital punishment is just legalized murder. Two wrongs don't make a right. Anyone who commits the heinous crime of murder should be sent to prison for the rest of his life with no eligibility to apply for parole. The definition of 'life in prison' should be just that, the remainder of the murderer's life. The current definition of '25 years to life' is wrong.
7:51 so by this logic first heinous murder should be involuntarily manslaughter? So they can get out and do it again 😮
At 18 he murdered a man in cold blood let him suffer and beg before ending him what will he do at 35?
An adult does the exact same thing, but would get 20+ years. Gotta love our justice system...
Yea maybe because this show is fucking old and the death penalty has been abolished in most states (as it should be). Also, under the law, the kid was an adult, so your statement makes even less sense.
Dude is an adult.
The reason no one gets the death penalty any more is cause it's cheaper on tax payers.
It costs more to sentence someone to death than to lock them up forever why both sentencing people to death?
It depends on the state. But he was 18, in all aspects, he's a adult...
@@ShadeScarecrow You obviously missed the the point. Back during that season (when the death penalty was active), they had plenty of other older killers do worse things and get less time.
This was season 11, which was 2000-2001. The death penalty in New York was abolished in 2004 after an appeals court ruling. That being said, no execution had taken place since 1963.
This reminds me of that Brock Turner case at least, in this case, the Gabe proper punishment. I just don't get why his age matters in the fact he mercilessly killed someone in cold blood. He knew it was wrong.
Just sentence him to life without parole
the woman d.a. was in over her head
I'm against the death penalty and in this case it's the unjust punishment.
The question of the death penalty came down to his race. What an impartial conference.
That’s just incorrect
These death penalty are always sillly because nobody has been executed on newyork since 1967
What is Orlando doing in New York? Don't you have a strip club to run in Baltimore?
The last execution in New York was in 1963....think everyone could relax here lmao, relax mom they literally weren't going to kill him
Of course, he probably wasn’t executed before in-universe New York State abolished capital punishment.
Life in prison no parole ever . Better .
while that may seem to be a harsher sentence in that he would suffer much much longer he doesn't deserve to live out his life in any manner and to do so would actually be showing mercy that the victim never got. Plus that's a lot of tax dollars wasted. Think of what could be done with a the money spent on incarcerating animals for most of (if not all of) their lives. Death penalty needs to be used more often and the sentences carried out much sooner. No spending 10-20 (or more) years on death row.
@@UrBasicGuy illegal to execute without giving them their rightful number of appeals, which costs more than serving life in prison.
MAN!! They need NYC D.A. Abigail (Who Ever She Married Last Name) for the Law & Order Reboot!! & fire the hipppie ADA who needs a sandwich!!
Hmm, at 18 I did not, nor did I want to, kill anyone.
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Wtf are you talking about?
I dont fully understand how we jumped to the death penalty
Why not life in prison? Not that its much of a life but still
It is because of how heinous the crime is heinous and it was thrill kill too and a murder that is so senseless the murderer deserves the death penalty.
Keep in mind that Mitch has offended before and did not learn from nor regret his actions then. Life imprisonment would simply make him a hardened crim inside
Juvenile Delincuents, lost young souls
There are juvenile delinquents who are lost young lost soul who can be rehabilitated and become better people and productive members of society but there are juvenile delinquents who are pure evil and have no conscience and are not lost souls and if they commit a crime and found guilty they should the punishment they deserve.
@@mernaloisbrown5809 That's true too
The man they killed, was begging for his life as well….
Is this based on Mark Wahlberg's hate crime???
Huh ? Did Dirk Diggler ever kill a deliveryman ?
Oh my gad.
Hey, maybe shouldn't go around beating people to death brutally...
I’ve always wondered at what age do white boys become men bc the justice system deems our sons men as young as 12 🤔
No 12 year old has ever been executed....
@@orangefox1231 a 14 y/o has and was denied his due process of appeals. George Stinney
@@chrischin_94 And that was during World War II!!!!!
The death penalty should be legal in every state and considered more often for brutal crimes!
I am envious I wish death penalty would be something in my country
I agree. These states that don't have it are simply saying that cold blooded murder is ok...
The problem is the death penalty isn't practical.
it's too costly and goes against the constitution when you mess it up. States mess it up a lot more than they like to talk about.
In theory it's a good punishment in practice it's not.
I don't know exactly how death penalty works but here in guatemala the prisoners work outside like they control everything and keep hurting people also some get away and some just set free before they finish the sentence because of "good behavior", so I wish death sentence was legal but it won't happened because of human rights 😔
@@delmicortave ~ In the US it depends on each state's laws. As they are all different. Liberal leaning states are usually more lenient on criminals, than the conservative ones...
The frontal cortex of the brain, that contols decions, is not fully mature till age 24.
Yet billions still don’t kill people before that.
That argument is so annoying. You know what you’re doing at 18 when you’re literally murdering someone.
Anybody sentenced to death wanted to be sentenced to death. I can’t understand why those on death row stay there 10, 20, 25 years. It’s a waste of taxpayers’ money! Why can’t one sentenced to death be executed right away? It might give more people incentive not to commit crimes! Laugh all you want, but I know what I’m saying!
They have the legal right of appeals and most people use them up to prolong their life. People have been found innocent in the time it takes from conviction to execution.
@@chrischin_94 And even with the delays, still others have been found innocent *after* the execution.
Bring back the death penalty and shooting squads
I agree. And stop with the 15 - 20 year appeals. With today's advanced DNA, there isn't any reason for the lengthy, expensive process...
Hell no. Death by firing squad is inhumane. Not just for the criminal, but for the people firing the gun. Imagine living with the idea that you probably just killed a human being. Killing isn't as easy as the internet makes it look kiddo.
@@Deborahtunes The problem is it's come out that there have been a lot of false positives on DNA, which is why we wait because some people have been screwed by false readings.
@@ameliarose47 ~ No there hasn't. Plus, many times DNA is tested more than once...
@@Deborahtunes yes there has
As much as we are all on the side of the victim...science shows that the brain is not fully developed at 18. Sure he should have been indicted, but I'm not convinced that death was the moral way to go here.
Thanks. Mercy is always the route.
@@RebekahCurielAlessi or at least sometimes ... ;)
That’s true, however most 18 year olds do know right from wrong
@@rachelgarber1423 yes. But deciding whether to execute someone is based on more nuance than that
Why the death penalty for a minor killing an adult? Isn’t that a bit excessive?
They clearly say in the clip that the one who killed the man was 18, so he is a legal adult.
They literally had a discussion on why he should get it. Did you not watch the clip ?
One, he's not a minor, two, he already has a record for a previous assault where he blinded the other kid literally a couple of months before he turned 16, three, he is the one that instigated the crime and landed the killing blow on the victim. All of those factors add up along with the fact that the man was restrianed, disoriented from the beating and still under the blanket. They could have easily left him there breathing and alive, he finished him off when he thought he saw their faces by caving in his skull of a complete stranger. You tell me if that's not a bit excessive.
Using his age as an argument is just an excuse. He knew FUL WELL what he was doing. He deserved it. You do the crime, then accept the punishment. Don't give out some sob story about being too young to die and you got a future ahead of you. So did your victim.
Nope. Smash his head in a throw them in the trash. If you can kill someone then you can be deleted just the same.
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lmao woke plot.. He would never get the cdapital punishment XD hahaha
Then they’ll learn not to kill anyone before the court decides an execution is the punishment
pathetic that she has to read a prepared statement so that it is politically correct and then she is called as witness for the defence - i thought she was terrible in her role as she aint no Adam
Orlando from the wire not getting pointed out hurts