Great idea. What about a painting? How would you visualize this? Mind goes kind of wild actually as Andreas has clearly come from a better world to upgrade the planets infrastructure
Great job Andreas!! We need everyone that is a believer of bitcoin and decentralized blockchain to spread the message NOW. Talk to everyone you know if they know what bitcoin is and what blockchain is. Educate them all and why it's important to change how we conduct our lives in the coming future.
Brilliant Argumentation; In 32 min, 27 sec., Andreas methodically/unequivocally dismantles foundations of majority of cryptocurrencies, summing it all up in an interrogatory of 3 little words: "Can't or Won't"? Last time something as succinct, yet powerful, was Mohammad Ali's impromptu poem, to this day the shortest poem ever written: " Me We."
When you are indecisive if you should invest into Open Blockchains like BTC,ETH... just watch a Presantation and you will have no doubt about it. Once again thank you Andreas👍
I wonder how many Ethereans are getting today what Andreas was warning against or predicting here. One call to Infura or AWS, ETH goes down. Worst yet, one call to a few biggest stakers and they are forced to comply with censorship, filter transactions governments do not like, for good or bad reasons. And Ethereans are forced to comply because they chose "won't" rather than "can't". Stoppable code was chosen.
yup, it was a failure of informal/implicit governance. All blockchains have governance, just some is explicit and some is implicit. Eth's Gov is implicit and cannot reasonably "fix" or update smart contracts without forking the chain. This is a governance issue, and an issue of unstoppable code, that we might have stopped, updated, and redeployed in the DAO hack using a known/agreed upon process (where you . specify under what conditions parties can change the otherwise unchangeable code). I agree with andreas that an ability become responsibility when you take on governance. By why does he not point out any of the other critical differences between explicit and implicit governance. Unstoppable code is only one consideration of the discussion, "what amount of governance do we want and need on blockchain?" IMO, he is making this discussion, and the comments that i see here, a bit too binary.
With unstoppable code, it would be interesting to see what kind of moral consensus would rise out of it. We will still have to interact with eachother in the real world.
Watching this in 2022 while 60%+ of eth blocks are OFAC compliant makes me sad... Hope btc manages to escape this faith. I see it as our only hope left
but they reversed the chain after the DAO hack, so isn't this just a big facade from ethereum developers? also, if it can be proved that you wrote the code for this "unstoppable" application, then you can still be prosecuted, even in the case where you legitimately couldn't stop it from running.
Andreas is wrong about the meaning of governance. The real governance comes in where blockchain meets the real world. That will have to exist in order to have any real service automata. These rules are for the oracles (people who confirm blockchain events written into contracts). These are for the trusts incorporated for off chain data sources. These things will have to be maintained. And who is allowed to do this is critical, as they have the potential to corrupt. With crypto, governance does not equate to governments (as we know it). Governments will adapt simply because much of their burden will be lifted by technology.
Ethereum's decision to hard fork after The DAO "hack" set a dangerous precedent. If you want a good example of "can't", look at Bitcoin. In 2013 the Bitcoin foundation received a cease and desist order, which they had absolutely no ability to comply with: bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-foundation-strikes-back-on-cease-and-desist-order-1372955966/ Needless to say, the network is now far stronger and resistant to manipulation than it was 6 years ago. Segwit 2X / Fake Satoshi / bcash helped strengthen the BTC community against such manipulation attempts.
Brilliant presentation. Here's my thoughts: Every argument is based on a certain set of premises and beliefs that the speaker holds to be true. And yours seem to be distrust on authority and states. As you said, value systems are different between one person from one another and I see that your value proposition of the unstoppable code can resonate with SOME people. Especially with those who are young, affluent, optimistic, educated libertarians in the first World. But I wonder if it will be the case with ALL average Joes in the 3rd World countries also. Because as every solution entails another set of problems, the notion of unstoppable codes will inevitably cause many naive hodlers to suffer. Although the whole industry is born off of distrust against authority and glorifying decentralization as its solution, but why do we need it on the first hand? Problem is not 'authority' itself, but authority that is not HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Governance is all about intention and unstoppable codes is also an intention and a form of governance.
Fight the power, and resist the temptation of it. I don`t want no peace , just give me equal rights, freedom and justice. Peace would be nice but we are human, seams we like to fight been doing it from the beginning our of time.
Why are they trying to say things like " interested in blockchain but not necessarily bitcoin"? I thought bitcoin was blockchain. Are they interested in a knockoff of bitcoin? What level of violence would the state commit to convince people to buy bitcoin?
Ahh, not so sure about that, governance and decentralization should be able to co-exist. Stigmergic Heterarchical Heirarchies satisfy this spec. Read "Complex Adaptive Blockchain Governance" by Thomas & Pam. If reading this kind of thing is not your cup of tea, just look at the picture on page 10. Decentralized Governance (beta level) is possible but you need to design a viable complex adaptive system, easy to mess up and difficult to predict outcomes.
@@jordanackerman7370 Nick Szabo thinks "yes in general substituting human governance for secure protocol is an idea of astronomical bad proportions." I trust his instincts more.
This is what excites me about the crypto space. Yes I would love a Lambo and a big mansion and I would like to everyone around me to enjoy the same or my social circle will be as small as it is being poor except those who see me won't wish the best for me. I can't code but I have some pretty big arse hippie ideas coders could turn into reality. If bitcoin can make you your own bank why can't code make you your own the best there is accountant and lawyer?
Thank you for being a part of ETHDenver Andreas! There is so much great content in this video and we were proud to host you.
Hope someone is working on a monumental statue for this man
Great idea. What about a painting? How would you visualize this? Mind goes kind of wild actually as Andreas has clearly come from a better world to upgrade the planets infrastructure
i definitely did not expect to find a runescape video maker here ffs lol
Another epic talk from Andreas. How come this doesn't have 100M views? This should be forcibly broadcasted to every person in the world.
thank you Andereas, once again.
After demonetisation in India I'm supporting cryptocurrency.
Great job Andreas!! We need everyone that is a believer of bitcoin and decentralized blockchain to spread the message NOW. Talk to everyone you know if they know what bitcoin is and what blockchain is. Educate them all and why it's important to change how we conduct our lives in the coming future.
For the longest time I didn't believe in Ethereum. But after buying my first home, now I understand why we need Ethereum.
Or Cardano !
Seriously, my #1 personal hope for blockchain adoption is real estate!
What was the biggest problem you experienced that Ethereum would solve? Real estate agents cut or long process of paperwork, something like that?
Totally agree, this whole inefficient and infuriating process is ripe for disruption.
Andreas, your thinking is unstoppable! love your books and that just got me the idea to order more.
Brilliant Argumentation; In 32 min, 27 sec., Andreas methodically/unequivocally dismantles foundations of majority of cryptocurrencies, summing it all up in an interrogatory of 3 little words: "Can't or Won't"? Last time something as succinct, yet powerful, was Mohammad Ali's impromptu poem, to this day the shortest poem ever written: " Me We."
Another great presentation from one of Bitcoin's greatest. Thanks for all you do, Andreas.
I await every talk given by this gentleman....truly a genius!
When you are indecisive if you should invest into Open Blockchains like BTC,ETH... just watch a Presantation and you will have no doubt about it.
Once again thank you Andreas👍
Andreas, you are very inspiring. Keep up doing exactly what you are doing. The future needs men like you.
Came here from Ivan-on-tech. Thanks for the info on governance.
We are Honored to have you.!
A reminder for the Ethereum community that this tech has no purpose if it is not ruffling some feathers.
Jonathan Cross please share the same with Grin, thanks.
It will be so exciting to use an unstoppable facebook-like platform. I can hardly wait.
3 years later Ethereum moves to proof of stake and everything Andreas warns about becomes true.
Fantastically important presentation for the entire crypto community!
This video made my head spin. Can’t stop watching Addreas.
Thanks Andreas!
This video is the best argument for ETH
Been a while since I watched some AAntonop... Still smashing them out of the park years later. Go Andreas!
Yes, same. I am SO glad I watched today, must listen to all his talks. Way past bitcoin.
2:39 re Q/A section, will it be published? specifically the segment on #usury, thank you @aantonop !!
❤ FREE BOOKS ❤
Stay awesome, Aantonop 😃
2:54 Hahaha. XRP fanboys booing him. Classy.
lol i think they were booing XRP in agreement but that was just how I interpreted it, I could be wrong
What a powerfull speech !! I wanna buy your new book NOW !
Thanks you Andreas!!! And the song in the end is so great and spot on after the videos.
I truly hope all this is true and will totally crust these control freaks and give us real freedom! Real free speech, real values, real freedom!
Imagine a silkroad store that can't be taken down. Now thats the dream :)
thank you Andreas not for re-placing the church in the center of the village, but for reminding the inhabitants around what the village has to be.
Excellent excellent. Thank you for posting. 🙏
31:04 He is referring to Ethereum.
This may be the most powerful speech I've ever heard.
40 people dislike this ,are they aliens?Hey aantonop! Thanks for all of your content! love it :)
Oh God! What a gift this man is to the Crypto Community! I just love him - Amazing! One of a kind!!!!!!!!!!!
What about Cardano?
I wonder how many Ethereans are getting today what Andreas was warning against or predicting here.
One call to Infura or AWS, ETH goes down. Worst yet, one call to a few biggest stakers and they are forced to comply with censorship, filter transactions governments do not like, for good or bad reasons. And Ethereans are forced to comply because they chose "won't" rather than "can't". Stoppable code was chosen.
19:40 illegal where?
@aantonop Great talk, very inspiring. Thank you for open sourcing your knowledge!
What happened in the DAO hack was not governance ?
yup, it was a failure of informal/implicit governance. All blockchains have governance, just some is explicit and some is implicit. Eth's Gov is implicit and cannot reasonably "fix" or update smart contracts without forking the chain. This is a governance issue, and an issue of unstoppable code, that we might have stopped, updated, and redeployed in the DAO hack using a known/agreed upon process (where you . specify under what conditions parties can change the otherwise unchangeable code). I agree with andreas that an ability become responsibility when you take on governance. By why does he not point out any of the other critical differences between explicit and implicit governance. Unstoppable code is only one consideration of the discussion, "what amount of governance do we want and need on blockchain?" IMO, he is making this discussion, and the comments that i see here, a bit too binary.
Awesome speech as always🙌
We already have stopable code, let's create instopable code.
Again, thank you, Andrea.
This talk is becoming very relevant. August 7, 2021. Starting to see destructive regulations being proposed by US government.
Thank you for this video!
This guy is seriously my hero.
Funny at around 3:00. Perhaps funnier when you feel there's no other way but to write a book about XRP as well ;)
Great presentation. Keep her lit Andreas
Damnit i wanted to see the Q and A while you got your buzz on
One of the best from one of the best.
But the entire eth vs etc fork was to add the oops clause
Andreas m Antonopoulos is brilliant.
is is just me or is there an optical illusion...he walks behind the chair but the cord does not get tangle with the chair
awesome speech as always from andreas
08:15: "The only speech worth protecting is that which offends".
What a fantastic speech... Thank you!
With unstoppable code, it would be interesting to see what kind of moral consensus would rise out of it. We will still have to interact with eachother in the real world.
Dolphins getting puffed video! - ua-cam.com/video/msx3BAhIeQg/v-deo.html
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Like to hear an update on this one since ETH became POS and essentially a captured coin. Unstoppable code controlled by Blackrock. Yay!
We are all standing on shoulders of the man who tamed fire 🔥
Shift Project is unstoppable web and file hosting for unstoppable code!
When will we need sha512 or more
Do you hate XRP's technology or just in principle?
Because XRP is not controlled by the people for the people.
@@666gene lies you can run your own validator and it's more decentilized than BTC.
@@dieselhound84 "more decentralized than Bitcoin." That's cute.
We the people! 💪🤜🤛🤘
Soooo...buy ETC?
What prevents the government from blocking cryptocurrency addresses on the internet?
The language and power of the network itself prevents this
really nothing. Much of our infrastructure is probably already compromised.
Great talk!
Watching this in 2022 while 60%+ of eth blocks are OFAC compliant makes me sad... Hope btc manages to escape this faith. I see it as our only hope left
Remember when these conferences had an audience of 2 people who had nowhere else to be?
but they reversed the chain after the DAO hack, so isn't this just a big facade from ethereum developers? also, if it can be proved that you wrote the code for this "unstoppable" application, then you can still be prosecuted, even in the case where you legitimately couldn't stop it from running.
Andreas is wrong about the meaning of governance. The real governance comes in where blockchain meets the real world. That will have to exist in order to have any real service automata. These rules are for the oracles (people who confirm blockchain events written into contracts). These are for the trusts incorporated for off chain data sources. These things will have to be maintained. And who is allowed to do this is critical, as they have the potential to corrupt. With crypto, governance does not equate to governments (as we know it). Governments will adapt simply because much of their burden will be lifted by technology.
preach it St.Aanton
Great info - Thanks
thank you thank you 1000 000 times thank you !!
Quite brilliant
Very interested to see what you mean by "can't" govern. I feel has always been just a marketing gimmick to trick people into investing.
Love the explanation of can't vs won't.
Ethereum's decision to hard fork after The DAO "hack" set a dangerous precedent. If you want a good example of "can't", look at Bitcoin. In 2013 the Bitcoin foundation received a cease and desist order, which they had absolutely no ability to comply with:
bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-foundation-strikes-back-on-cease-and-desist-order-1372955966/
Needless to say, the network is now far stronger and resistant to manipulation than it was 6 years ago. Segwit 2X / Fake Satoshi / bcash helped strengthen the BTC community against such manipulation attempts.
@@JonathanCr0ss thnx for posting that link 👍
EOS Guys are having a brain aneurysm
I am not! Go EOS!
What is eos
EOS is a crypto currency.
GO EOS! BTC first tho
Wow, thanks Andereas!!
Come to Seoul Again... Anto....😁😁
BRILLIANT!!! 👍👏😀
Brilliant presentation. Here's my thoughts: Every argument is based on a certain set of premises and beliefs that the speaker holds to be true. And yours seem to be distrust on authority and states. As you said, value systems are different between one person from one another and I see that your value proposition of the unstoppable code can resonate with SOME people. Especially with those who are young, affluent, optimistic, educated libertarians in the first World. But I wonder if it will be the case with ALL average Joes in the 3rd World countries also. Because as every solution entails another set of problems, the notion of unstoppable codes will inevitably cause many naive hodlers to suffer. Although the whole industry is born off of distrust against authority and glorifying decentralization as its solution, but why do we need it on the first hand? Problem is not 'authority' itself, but authority that is not HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Governance is all about intention and unstoppable codes is also an intention and a form of governance.
11:40: Dolphin to comrade: "Don't Bogart that puffer."
And there's a reason: you can't get high over TCP/IP. I'll add "yet". :D
great speech!
How about writing a book about "Mastering Tron", Andreas? - Why not?
You can tell he has at some point in time stepped on the mic-cord, by the way he secure it in his hand :)
legendary as usual
Fight the power, and resist the temptation of it. I don`t want no peace , just give me equal rights, freedom and justice. Peace would be nice but we are human, seams we like to fight been doing it from the beginning our of time.
good show
10:20: In Russia you can buy drugs legally in any supermarket. It is called 'alcohol drinks' and cigarettes. I think this hypocrisy must be stopped.
Why are they trying to say things like " interested in blockchain but not necessarily bitcoin"? I thought bitcoin was blockchain. Are they interested in a knockoff of bitcoin? What level of violence would the state commit to convince people to buy bitcoin?
What about TRX?
I really love AA, another great flick (I'm drunk and married)
Governance and Centralization are kissing cousins. One can not have governance and still be decentralized. Governance means you are centralized.
Ahh, not so sure about that, governance and decentralization should be able to co-exist. Stigmergic Heterarchical Heirarchies satisfy this spec. Read "Complex Adaptive Blockchain Governance" by Thomas & Pam. If reading this kind of thing is not your cup of tea, just look at the picture on page 10. Decentralized Governance (beta level) is possible but you need to design a viable complex adaptive system, easy to mess up and difficult to predict outcomes.
@@jordanackerman7370 Nick Szabo thinks "yes in general substituting human governance for secure protocol is an idea of astronomical bad proportions." I trust his instincts more.
@@jordanackerman7370 Stigmergic Heterarchical Hierarchies* you almost had the spelling. Not to take away from your point.
Andreas is absolutely brilliant but I cannot understand why he concentrates on Ethereum when Cardano is far superior by every metric.
I hope the next video is on Dolphins puffing puffer fish 😂
You can hear a Ripple scammer boo-ing xD
👎
Thank you!!!
Brilliant !
This is what excites me about the crypto space.
Yes I would love a Lambo and a big mansion and I would like to everyone around me to enjoy the same or my social circle will be as small as it is being poor except those who see me won't wish the best for me.
I can't code but I have some pretty big arse hippie ideas coders could turn into reality.
If bitcoin can make you your own bank why can't code make you your own the best there is accountant and lawyer?
Wise words indeed