Stop Caring About Fire Emblem
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Stop Taking Fire Emblem So Seriously
Fire Emblem is a Japanese fantasy tactical role-playing game franchise developed by Intelligent Systems and published by Nintendo. First produced and published for the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1990, the series currently consists of seventeen core entries and five spinoffs.
The core gameplay revolves around discrete battles between the player's team of characters and enemy non-player characters across grid-based maps. The player and enemy each take turns moving their characters across the map and having them perform combat-based actions. The games also feature a story and characters similar to traditional role-playing video games, and occasionally social simulation aspects as well. A notable aspect of gameplay is the permanent death of characters in battle, rendering them unusable upon being defeated, although this aspect of the game can be turned off starting from Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem onwards.
The series' title refers to the "Fire Emblem", a recurring element usually portrayed as a royal weapon or shield representing the power of war and dragons. The development of the first game began as a dōjin project by Shouzou Kaga and three other developers, and its success prompted the development of further games in the series. Kaga headed the development of each entry until the release of Thracia 776, when he left Intelligent Systems. He went on to found his own game studio, Tirnanog, who developed Tear Ring Saga.
The series debuted in the West with the seventh game The Blazing Blade in 2003, under the title Fire Emblem. According to the game's director, this was because of the international success of the similarly turn-based Advance Wars.[1] The inclusion of Marth and Roy in the 2001 fighting game Super Smash Bros. Melee as playable characters is also cited as a reason. Many games in the series sold well, although sales suffered a decline during the late 2000s. This resulted in the series' near-cancellation until the unprecedented critical and commercial success of Fire Emblem Awakening (2012). This success was built on by Fire Emblem: Three Houses (2019), the series' best-selling entry.
The series has been lauded for its gameplay and is frequently cited as the seminal series in the tactical role-playing genre, codifying various gameplay elements that would come to define the genre. Characters from across the series have been included in crossovers with other video game franchises, including the Super Smash Bros. series.
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holy shit donlot mentioned
Some things i would add:
A good reason to not care about missing out on content is to think of it this way:
If you enjoy the game a lot, you'll probably replay it and get another chance to see things you didn't get to see in your first run.
If you didn't enjoy the game, why even bother trying to see everything for something you don't care about.
Most FE games also give you more than enough tools, so be it units, items, etc to beat the game. People have solo'd many games with all kinds of units, so you can beat them even with a sub optimal team.
Lastly this may sound a bit cheesy but i think generally you can say this for both FE and life in general:
You can plan ahead for as long and as much as you want to, but once your plan makes contact with the enemy, it usually won't go exactly as you envisioned it. But that's life for ya. What's important is that you pick yourself up and just keep going if things don't work out. New plans can be made, new successes achieved, and unexpected heroes to be crowned, even in the darkest of hours. Only in very rare instances is it impossible to recover from failiure.
Donlot doesn't exist He's a PNG
@@Pogma776 so trve...
I don't disagree with you, I just don't have the time to replay games. a lot of my fun comes from knowing everything about the game and trivia. sometimes playing blind is fun, sometimes it is extremely frustrating. playing with a guide is definitely a crutch but sometimes it keeps me from putting the game down. min maxing is its own fun as well.
My life is already a long string of failures that I can't alter and probably won't come back from. Am I not allowed to course correct in my hobby either?
My issue is that my backlog is so massive and games already take so long to finish that I rarely ever replay games that take longer than 20 hours to beat, so I feel like I "have" to do everything possible in one playthrough. Which is a self-perpetuating problem because my backlog probably wouldn't be so big if I didn't spend so long trying to do everything in games that would take 80+ hours even if you beelined the story and did nothing else.
Mangs: "Just use units you like."
Thea: "I am literally a joke to you."
The units I like is all the units I first recruited most of the time lol
Or story important ones
For a moment I was like "Is this a King of Skill video?" for a second.
Yeah, that smiling Reinhardt caught me slightly off guard.
"Don't replay the level to get the best ending, you can just replay the entire game later!" We're reaching levels of Mangs Math that shouldn't even be possible! 😱
Exactly, i agree with the rest, but where the hell do I find the time to replay a whole game for a single ending ? In THIS ECONOMY.
That's how I do it, that's how I've always done it
Also what if we get a stat screwed lord and lose the only unit who can actually fight?
@@TrueBladeSoul *laughs in Phoenix Mode*
@@TrueBladeSoul if the guy can actually fight, you should not lose him.
Noooooo I must keep arguing online with strangers about my pixelated girls
I love your pfp
@@acedelta12 thanks :)!
Like Nintendo has already done?
So true, Fire Emblem is dead. Buy Skyrim.
@@iLegaultElder Scrolls 6 is going to be soooooo bad.
@@TheNuts1225 There is no doubt. It will be a buggy un-inspired shitshow like all other Triple A games (or quadruple A's lmao)
Best comment.
So true, Fire Emblem is a dead series same as Xenoblade Chronicles and Splatoon
But Mangs, playing sweaty is part of my health routine. It helps my skin glow.
UA-camr just said to stop caring about 90% of his content lol
Jk.
Impossible. If any unit dies I must restart the whole game.
As Sonic says in that one song "It doesn't matter"
now what happens
I will never give up the fight
long as the voice inside me drives me to run and fight
it doesn’t matter who is wrong and who is right
Difference between Donlot's lack of fear to fail and Mangs':
Mangs sometimes forgot what he learned from his mistakes, so much so that he makes a documented phenomena named around him
See: Mangs Math and Mangs Infantry
"You can always replay the game later"
See Mangs the issue here is that Fire emblem is not the only games I play, I'm not even done playing all of them how should I expect myself to replay the same ones several times ?
If I let a character die it's over i'll probably never see his supports.
It's a bit of an issue I see when taking advices from streamers, or peoples too passionate about one specific lisence, when you can afford to spend a lot more time than the usual player on a single game your vision of what's a good idea gets a bit different.
I mean, Tellius and GBA games won't let you look all supports even after several playthroughs, so point still stands: if you for some reason wanna see that random thief backstory, you replay the game. If not, don't.
Who cares they are not lords.
Only lords lives matter.
There's also wiki too if you care about support
@@birdbig6852 you take that back, Peri is the best waifu!
That’s fair, but if you don’t have time to play fire emblem games that often, then I would consider just looking up supports that you are interested in/locked yourself out of viewing. Personally one of my favorite things about the handheld FE and pre GBA FE games are that they are very easy to emulate on a phone which means I can easily bring them with me and play if I’m waiting somewhere or have downtime between classes or at work
Here I thought this was going to be about how the series peaked with the Tellius games and is never getting back to that point.
Fates clears I'm afraid
Nah engage has the best story wdym?
3 houses is good
Sacred Stones is better, sorry
Playing FE1 and Shadow Dragon is the best way to not be afraid of losing units, most of the time you won't be arsed to reset for anyone
"Let them die!" - Captain Kirk, letting people know how to play Fire Emblem
Video ending on the RIP Lilina moment is peak content.
No. I don't think I will.
5:50 while I do see your point it's worth considering that a lot of people play through games only once either because they don't have that much time to play games in the first place and/or because they have other games they want to play instead of replaying a game they already played. Your advise makes sense for a Fire Emblem fan, a type of person who'll replay every FE game multiple times to see more of the game and to try different strategies. However if someone will only play through an FE game once and wants to see the true/best ending then it makes perfect sense to reset if they lose a character.
Wait, People still care about Fire Emblem? Isn't the game called "Waifu-Emblem" by now?
EDIT after getting into the video:
Okay I really like your points, Mangs. Iron-man is the true way to play Fire Emblem. Moving on after losing a Unit and go through the entire game even tho you cared about the unit,
adds so much to this series. That is what makes Fire Emblem so fun in my opinion.
what if i have fun optimizing things though. people have fun different ways man.
EDIT: I will say though, there is some good advise here. People worry way too much about really minor things like distributing a kill or two of exp. I'm still gonna reset if a unit I wanna use dies though cuz fuck that
So play like exemblem? Got it
I can understand the feelings in this video, though I find plenty of satisfaction in trying to get that perfect strategy and execution to get everyone through, alive and well (especially if you come up with creative solutions to accomplish it). That's a way I enjoy Fire Emblem. Your suggested way is definitely a lot more fun to watch though I'll admit, haha. I think the "optimal" ways to play the game are usually lame and I don't watch or pay much attention to trash like tier lists, I use the units/characters I care about and personally like. I don't think most people play optimally. I think they play some level of "trying your best from a casual perspective", myself probably included.
Honestly, I also think that going through without resetting in most FE games would make the games too easy if I'm being honest. There's a reason Donlot does so many unusual challenge runs on his channel. Fire Emblem games aren't usually hard if your only goal is to get across the finish line (unless you make a careless mistake with your lord, which is honestly one of the most frustrating ways possible to lose all that progress). Most of the time you can just make a few juggernauts handle everything, especially if you use all resources available to you liberally. The games give you so much its crazy. If you don't care about things like side objectives it becomes even easier since most of the time those aren't worth the investment to bother with them.
Plus, the idea of wasting an *entire* run in an ironman for literally nothing sounds way worse to me than just spending more time per chapter. 20 hours of progress that leads nowhere vs 20 hours of progress towards an inevitable completion. I don't have much time to spend on playing games, so just "losing" video games sounds like a waste. I don't have a stream of people to entertain with my failures, its just me staring at a screen.
I've beat nu-XCOM ironman runs before and its a little painful to lose (strong) units you've built up in that game, but that's part of the experience and it also has no story consequences (plus the story doesn't matter). With Fire Emblem, losing units just feels like you're making things worse for no real reason.
Also, in general I usually don't replay games that often. When I do its usually very rare and the game has to be *extremely* fun and also have unique replay value. I prefer to try new experiences when I can, so a game really has to wow me on my first playthrough to get me to replay it and even still its usually after some time passes. If Its a game I haven't played before, I intend to get the true ending on my first playthrough if that's an option because I want to see the best the game has to offer so I don't waste my time with some weak nonsense. FE7 was one of those rare games where I did replay it many times, but I can't say the same for the other FE games I've finished so far. Maybe its because I feel the characters of most FE games are weak/middling, writing-wise, and so I feel little attachment to them (and thus less reason to care about a game where things like story are a prominent aspect of the game).
Maybe I'm just attached to my way of playing the game, I know I've gone through that tunnel vision. Ironmans are frustrating and annoying to me to play through in the past, but I might give it a shot. The message at the end of the video is well-taken :^)
Oh, and since I didn't get a chance to say it after you came back: Congratulations again on getting married Mangs, when's the wedding video coming out? =p
Soon TM
Any unit dies: Meh, it is what it is
My shaman dies: Bullshit death, i'm resetting
I get it and agree with this.
I usually lose 1 character early on, and then further in the game I'm way too attached to the characters and start resetting when something goes wrong
time to break that habit, and lose more characters!
While I agree about all what's said about not caring that much for a random characters, stat boosters, and not desesperatly try to save them, I absolutely do not agree on the fact that you can give up on them if their death lock you out of the best ending.
I say that mostly because, nowadays, we don't have the time to get back and play another FULL run of a game just to achieve something slightly different when it's not a shorter, narrative driven game (like undertale for example). I'm just a mere student, and I already don't have the motivation, or energy, to get back to 3 Houses. Despite having liked the Edelgard route alot, and immediatly started a golden deer route, I just stopped at chapter 5 of my first new game + or so because I simply had new video games coming out that I also liked alot, high school then engineering school take care of, and all that Jazz. So I can't imagine how much less time I'll have doing that with a full time job !
So sure, redoing a game to get a different ending that changes the narrative halfway through the game and makes a GOOD difference because you made some secret choices ? Of course I can do that.
Doing a whole new game + with hours of grinding and newbie optimising trying to learn what's good and not to rush through the chapters until the game lets you save that unit you lost before ? I just can't, don't have the time, nor time to care, i'll just watch it on youtube at this point. So yeah that's why I just NEED to save these units, since I most likely won't be able to redo that route ever again or replay the game in a long time.
There are many people that role-play as commanders or generals, either consciously or subconsciously, and many of those people can’t stomach losing men. On the other hand, there are generals who don’t care about their men.
Thanks for the advice. I finally finished Conquest lunatic Mode by following these rules
Hey hey, Memes are the best part of fire emblem who could take this game seriously when my 10 year old Dragon that's actually 200 year old and could solo people wheeze
My Kieran died on chapter 20 PoR, last turn before winning the map. I sweared a whole bunch, said screw it. I have dragon boi now anyway, and pushed on. It was so close to a deathless run too.
most people dont have time to play games more than once so you probably are going to want to optimise some things a bit so you get to see as much as possible but you have to know your limits there
I feel the same way. As someone who’s play 3H way to many times I always use Felix. Not because he’s good but because I love his character and I love his supports. He’s easily one of my favorite units and I’m always excited to recruit him in each run.
Nah. I'mma keep using save states.
Because I only use the characters that tryhards tell me are the worst, specifically to make my life a living hell.
First time playing Fire Emblem: I immediately reset upon any character death, wanted to complete all side objectives and character supports.
Picking it up again: how do I make it harder. Reject this video. DO THE THING YOU WANT TO DO
9:50 Funny enough, when I was playing FE7 the other day : I played carefully, healed him even and Eliwood got killed. Rewinded time and played Recklessly, he dodged the attacks that would kill him. In a way, kinda true.
Ha ha, good video.
_Continues to wait until units hit level 20 before promoting them (which admittedly wasn't mentioned in this video) and hoarding stat boosters until my main army is level capped_
Part of my enjoyment with games I play is being a completionist, finding and doing the most stuff I can do in a single run. I like to keep all characters alive and doing the most of the game I can do.
This is one of the reasons of why I abuse of savestates and resets in my runs, I like to experience everything a game can give me.
The other reason is that I like playing games that makes my brain work. I hate to just press a button to win (like most games), the reason why I love Fire Emblem and other franchises of the same genre is because I can do just that.
It is not that I care with bullshit like stats or growths, rather I would play a TRPG game because of the puzzles in the chapters, the strategy I need to do to overcome them and the rewards I get while doing that (character backstories, world lore, rare items, etc).
Playing these hard games and challenging myself to best it in a "perfect way" helps me to release my stress, putting my emotions and brains to do something I know will reward me in the end, so it is never truly stressful, because I just need to hone my skills and do better next day.
I've always played Fire Emblem recklessly while using every single unit. I lose more than half of them on each run, but it's fun
I think the best thing to do is remember, at the end of the day, Fire Emblem is still a Nintendo game. It's allowed to be fun and colourful and you're allowed to play it for fun. Like Zelda or Pokémon there are challenges and completionism involved, but it's not the entire point of the game. Pokémon has always been best played by using the Pokémon you like the most, and Zelda you can play without fussing over getting absolutely everything to beat the game. The only game in the series I'd say you have to complete it 100% is Majora's Mask, and that's only because it really is that big a part of the experience.
Either way, I've been wanting to get back into the series for a long time now, but I've been jaded by the absolutely horrendous fanbase ever since 2020, for you know what reason. But I think this gave me the push to finally try it again for real. Tusind tak :)
Ah yes. The good old Jobber Insurance of Kaga Emblems. Yeah. It is something I never realized why they are like that till recently. I can see why later games don't really have Jeigans as well as not have as huge of a roster as it once did.
I designed my FE romhack under the sort of similar Kaga guidelines and told people to play it Ironman with a lot of mechanical facilitation for that (Near 50+ characters and items go to convoy when the character dies) - I wonder how many people did that?
In playtesting I did it both ways (ironman vs. whatever some dude died I'm moving on) and the ironman run was actually way breezier.
Ditch fire emblem.
Embrace unicorn overlord
Whenever my local game shop decide to have it in stock, I have a gift card that waits to be used
Also different gameplay
@@tezereth I ended up digitally downloaded it after my ebay orderr was 2 weeks late. Hilariously, I got it yesterday physically.
Ngl, unicorn overlord stole me away from fire emblem
Finished the game a few minutes ago and while it was fun I'll stick with FE
(and yes, my inventory was full of stat boosters...)
Based af
Kind of an odd question but will you ever be going back to finish your engage ironman run? I just recently picked up engage again and found it really fun to play if you just skip the story similar to fates. There's even a randomizer that you can try to spice things up.
I have a very fond memory of one of my first ever playthroughs of Path of Radiance. I lost oscar, boyd, mia, rhys and soren by the time the defense chapter rolled around. All I had was Titania and Ike. Somehow I managed to recruit ilyana, keep her alive, and complete the chapter. It was that playthrough that I used lots of funky units like mordecai, rolf, and mist because i didn't have anyone else. That was easily one of my favorite times playing fire emblem ever.
Good advice and great video. I hate grinding or tainting to be optimal, and I enjoy focusing on the more enjoyable parts of the gameplay, so this really speaks to me in terms of encouraging playing FE. I think my biggest difficulty comes from trying to find motivation to play when you're otherwise spent from the grind of daily life. When you're tired and frustrated is also when it's most difficult to accept and swallow failure. I think in those circumstances it's good to allow yourself to return to the game with renewed energy and that acceptance in mind.
I’ll tell you right now, the last FE game I ever bought was Shadows of Valentia and I still own it too. When I lose units I just let it go and see it as “things happen for a reason” situation.
Vandal Hearts on the PS1 taught me to not stress in FE. That game doesn't have perma death, but it does have the next worst thing. When a unit dies you take a large cut in the money you earn at the end of battles. Combine that with the loss of xp and you will struggle towards the end game.
I highly recommend anyone who hasn't played it before and wants that FE feel to give it a try. It has some of the more fun map design in a strategy game and can test you if you want to do a perfect game.
I recently started my first run of FE6. The games I've played are primarily 7 and onward, so I'm used to the modern style, but I've watched a run of FE1 and took notes to shape my thinking on what this series is really meant to be. I know I can't play FE6 the same way I played FE7 when it was new. I lost a favorite unit or two to arena shenanigans, but I know I can carry on without them. I'm still resetting if I do something REALLY dumb, like losing a unit the chapter they're recruited, but all things considered it's a relaxed stroll to experience it and finally see what this one's all about. And I tell you, there's _no way_ I would've made it through with my sanity intact if I was trying to be completionist about it in my first run!
This is why I'm a big fan if the turnwheel, even after beating most Fire Emblem games without it. The turnwheel allows players to try things out without having to fear restarting the entire map just because they were curious.
Alright, so I should just my stats boosters to the main lord since I'm going to stick with them, alright I'll give them to Baudimon .... This is why I have trust issues
Although I do agree with most of the things Mangs said this video, I just couldn't resist poking a little fun at him though
Does me training every unit I get as equally as possible mean I take the game too seriously? Like, getting them through the classes ranks.
Okay so... in my first FE run ever (black eagle three houses) Dorothea died. And I was ready to accept that as a tragic loss. But when I went to the story mode... there was nothing said about Dorothea's passing. None of her friends said anything. There was no funeral. No sad moments. It was like she had just stopped existing. So I felt cheated in the story, like I lost Dorothea for nothing, so I loaded an earlier save and brought her back.
I want to like the permadeath aspect of FE, but it is clear the permadeaths are an afterthought, they add nothing to story if you let your units die. If designers want to encourage us to keep going with failures, they should reward the players for sticking with it.
Second title of this video: The art of feeling stats
i just wish I could download save data to start out on hard mode in FE7 because all methods i find online doesn't work and forcing oneself to play easier to then repeat it is something that kills things for me, i need visual example "hands on" vs being told
I remember finding a tier list of all of the FE8 units and seeing Amelia and Neimi, two of the absolute all stars of my hard mode team, ranked as unusable trash. I understand that some units might be inherently 'better' than others. But I don't think that viability should be the defining factor in why you choose to field a unit. I think that a truly great fire emblem player can take the suboptimal units and make maximal use of them, undertaking an ultimate test of creativity. It's why I love Three Houses so much, if you can conceptualize it, you can probably build it, and making unconventional strategies work (some of my favorites being swordmaster Marianne, AK Annette, and mage Felix) is why I hold the game so dear.
I find a lot of small niche and obscure players usually come up with their own strategies that the bigger players don't even realize exist because of the que-sera-sera attitude. The stuff you said about the "optimal solution" made me remember this.
In FE7 I used Lucius a lot because I thought he was cool, though but all my friends said he was weak and oft died cause of his low con/stuff.
That said, however.... I did an iron man of the o.g. Fire Emblem: Gaiden, so that ended horribly because there are few in terms of 'extra units' ... haaa.......... Shadows of Valentia where are youuu...........
Ahem! I guess the tldr version is just; have fun!
Wait I'm already doing all of them. I usually give boosters on my lords on my no reset runs, the good thing if they are a bit too strong, npcs prefer to target others units and I avoid the game over screen.
To this day I never care about tier list or growth units. If I like that character I will make it work no matter how bad thier stats are.
Thank you!
That's why I like the first few chapters of FE 10, if anyone dies it's Game over
The problem with this is that some FE games punish you very harshly for losing units, outside of excessive grinding, though with those you could argue that grinding is part of the intended experience, like Shining Force.
Weirdly enough, Kaga's games after leaving IS both encourage you to play through mistakes, but also give you options to cheese. Tear Ring Saga has a large cast and infinite grinding in parts of the game, yet it also gives you a staff that lets you save at any time during a battle, allowing for insane amounts of cheese. Berwick Saga gives you items if enough characters die, up to 16 deaths, yet also gives you a battle save every 5 turns for you to reload from. Please play these two games if you get the chance, even if it's offscreen.
Ironmanning the GBA series games definitely gave me more prospective on the games. It made me think a lot more and I had to become more resourceful cause it's not just the units your losing but also their entire inventory. I don't think every game should be played in an iron man setting but it's certainly a nice change of pace when you play in a way that makes you utilize the tools you're given rather than just get mad and reset every time. And it makes those risky moves and super tight dodges that would otherwise kill your units much more intense.
Mostly agree. Though I must say carefully weighing each move of each unit and making minor cost/benefit calculations is what makes Fire Emblem so fun for me. I usually play only 10-20 minute sessions taking only 1-3 turns before closing the game and comming back to it another time. Almost feels like an asynchronous game of chess at times.
The first time I had massive losses in FE and continued on was surprisingly 3 Houses. The fight with Rhea at the end of the Church route had me reset twice. I was frustrated so much that when I realized I just couldn't beat it I considered stopping the run and just going through the other routes. For context, it was my first play through so I did my entire run blind as that's generally how I like to play games. At some point after using another handful of pulses, I decided that because I already spent so much time I'd just try my best, only resetting for strategic reasons or to save Petra because I was dead-set on marrying her 😂😂😂 and it's good for me that Petra is one of the few characters that rarely died. I ended that run with like 11 units (that includes the benched ones). In hindsight, it's a great and funny memory but recalling that with this video here leads me to believe you're right entirely
Also, it reminds me that I never finished Revelations because I reset on one of the last few maps and never continued on. I should definitely work on finishing that once and for all with this ideology in mind
See? That's why i love the Tellius games, lots of characters, hard enough to have a challenge but easy enough to use any unit you like (specially with bonus ex)
Thank you! I’ve recently found your hack and I’m trying my first ever Ironman blind on it and it’s a blast! Not worrying about keeping everyone or making mistakes is so freeing
This is something I'm struggling so hard to do, but I think it's ingrained into some form of OCD to me due to years of Pokemon EV and IV stuff, and strategy games like FE, Final Fantasy Tactics and so on, to the point I have massive decision paralysis when squadbuilding with games like Unicorn overlord. One day I hope I can break out of this mindset, I'm trying to figure out squads on my own but my brain keeps telling me to look up stuff for ideas to help. It sucks really XD
It's not really fear of failure I feel, but that I want to maximize my units potential and I think that leads to overall enjoyment when it actually doesn't.
Usually, I'll reset if I lose someone because I just feel better about it, and would feel like I wasted my time with them if I let them die. but if I've had enough trouble with a chapter where I know I'll hate the game if I replay the chapter again, I'll let them die. and I always use whatever characters I think I like the most
thank you mangs. for a long time i was afraid to play fire emblem because i watched a lot of "professionals" or just long-time fans and was intimidated by the depth of their knowledge and didn't think i could match up, or that i had to be amazing with strats to play. but i learned that fire emblem is a game, it's meant to be played, and you can play however you want. and since then i've just been playing and enjoying them, even trying pre-awakening titles. this video is an important reminder not to take it so seriously and just have fun lol❤thank you
Oddly outside heroes my first game was three houses. I love the characters in the game and unlike others who get a few characters from the other houses I always get all of them and train them all. Ik what most might say and 1)I do not play maddening and 2) when playing the game I like the idea of having an army more than maxing out characters to the highest percent. I do not let characters die and I love training all of them as time goes on. I think the reason is not actually attachment to the characters but it feels more like what the MC would do which I get into the roll. Loosing potential units I feel is worse than robbing maps of a story like having to take out bernadetta and petra post game. Everyone of course has their own type of fun and at times that way of doing it feels more like a nuzlocke of some kind than what is logical.
Gonna be honest, seeing Edelgard in the thumbnail made me think this was a Three Houses discourse topic lmao
I do agree with you, people can get so caught up in making their first run the best run. One thing you didn't mention was level up RNG, especially in the older games where a unit could level up and get no stat points, can make the "top tier" unit trash and a "bottom tier" unit your best unit. However, with the smaller cast, as well as not limiting how many support conversations a unit can have per run, the rewind ability they give you, and casual mode to a lesser extent, I feel that the newer games have been pushing away from the idea of make a mistake and keep going.
Reminded me of the time I lost Shin and Rutger in FE6.
I was exhausted to care at that point, so I just continued playing.
Punishment: Lost two of FE6's Hard Mode boosted units.
What I gained: God Wolt, Strength blessed Sue and Speed blessed Lilina.
doesnt lilina already have a good speed growth? i know she cant double for shet when you get her but that only last a few chapters.
@@wackpendejo3000 35% is very shaky at best, meaning that Lilina will struggle to double and will most likely get doubled back by faster enemies.
@@mcdonnell-douglasdc-1056 wait its only 35%? holy molly means i got lucky so many times XD
I will say I used to be a passive player and let the enemy come to me so to speak but ever since I've changed up my play style and been more aggressive and rushing it's a lot more fun.
If I want play more recklessly I'll play Advance Wars since it's not so serious. I'll keep FE as my focus game.
Also the dragon at the end of the Blazing Blade is unfair so I think I deserve to want to keep a few people alive.
I never understood sitting on stat boosters because... that's free damage/hit-rate/double attacks/etc the earlier you use them on a unit. Using it at the earliest possible moment reaps the greatest overall rewards because it compounds over time. Raising a unit's Str by 2 means you are dealing 2 addtional damage for EVERY SINGLE (weapon) ATTACK that unit performs.
Edelgard stans on their way to scream at the top of their lungs because you didn't agree on their opinion of the bootleg arvis with boobs and a huge forehead:
I recently played through an Ironman of sacred stones and I was forced to use units I never use because my usual squad was taken down by unlucky rng and crits. Turns out Kyle and Innes can be a pretty good units and they carried my run. Listen to Mangs and give it a try.
I never cared about tier lists or growths/bases. My favorite characters are usually those that I gravitate to the most based on their design/class/animations. I do, however, not reset for them because I really enjoy the immersion of losing my favorite soldiers and having the game feel like a real war. I also don't really care about builds in newer games if they don't fit the way that I personaly perceive the character in question.
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Edward enjoyer
Joke's on you egg, I clicked on this video because I wanted to have an excuse to avoid studying.
I use favorites all the time it's how i play fe my favorite units are Castor, the fe4 gen2 axe infantry and playable generics. I also bench Kris and robin for Gregor and Horace
But Mannnnngs, i like pain and suffering that is my Kagetsuless/Pandreoless Ringless Fixed Growth Maddening Ironman runs. Oh and the fact that it is Engage. It shall fuel me till the end of my dayssss.
I will say that hoarding stat boosters in path of radiance can be nice for the black knight fights if your ike has issues especially in hard mode but otherwhise yes it's definetly better to use them for convenience like avoiding getting doubled or being tankier as it can and will make a difference in the overall playtrough
No videogame can be designed around people watching guides, being optimal and knowing stuff beforehand
Anyway, I'm going to replay sacred stones and train my wife L'arachel to max level again
L'Arachel the goat 🛐
"playing Sophia and Gwendolyn" Am I a bad person? 😆
I actually played FE9 for the last two weeks and started ironman past chapter 24, lost a few of my favs (haar, janaff...) and was mad about it but, it ended up making the game more fun. Using other characters I would have probably never used otherwise.
I think this is something I needed to hear, not just about FE but for most games I play. I spend so long trying to be a completionist that I stop enjoying some games, I'm only doing myself a disservice when I do this
It’s a video game. Just have fun
Just got back home from errands and was gonna play fire emblem on my phone and see this recommendation.
Thanks, I kinda appreciate Mango.
Why would anyone wanna play like Donlot when PH exists? 😊
I feel this as the most fun i have in fire emblem is when me and my firend took 2 kind of nad unit and make them the main character of the run, or that time we made faye the tankiest character in echo
Some great points there Mangs.Probably the part I disagree with the most is that they way you're describing is "higher", instead of "different". You've done a great job of criticizing the disadvantages of resetting constantly and being highly stressed (and distressed) and cautious, but it's simply a different way of playing.
I think the disadvantages of them method you mention is that units are ultimately expendable, you care less about them dying and ultimately about their character. You might have a unit that could have been your favourite early on, and their death prevents you from getting to know them. The other assumption I think you've made is that people will replay the game multiple times. Not everyone has, or will, replay fire emblem games repeatedly. If they don't, then lots of the positives from the method you described are lost. Losing a critical plot character that unlocks other characters or a true ending is now really important in that scenario. Just doing "on another playthrough" is not something everyone will want to do, especially if they're new to the series and there's 16+ other games with new characters and stories they could try.
As you say, ultimately it's your opinion, and if you find units more attractive as a set of numbers than what they say & do, or if you want a core of your favourites that you never let die, or you want the true "perfect" ending, or just want to have a good, silly time, I don't think any approach is wrong as long as you find it meaningful. But always good to know the disadvantages of each style and consider branching out if you've got the time and desire. I think this message is what you were ultimately aiming for, and for that, I say well done!
I'm rather new to fire emblem, but for any game I usually do this: play by myself to get to know the game, after that first game maybe I'll do a completionist run for the hell of it, once I've scratched my completionist itch or get bored of it I may play it again just to fool around. Or I'll jump back to Fallout or Halo for the rest of the month, those game physics always make you laugh.
If you care you lose
Reject Paladins. Embrace Armor.
I can confirm, i made no attempts in my first FE7 run to save units who died on maps that were like multiple hours long when I first played on GBA.
I was still able to complete the game on top of a pile of dead bodies (especially on that last level) because spoiler alert: they want you to finish! They literally give you athos so you can't lose!
That first dumbplay is WHY you love the franchise. It punishes you, you accept the punishment and adapt.
Obsessing over maxxing just makes runs trivial. And yet... I'm addicted to it =p
you finally opened my eyes,
well seariously im gonna do some ironman runs now, cant even count how many hours i spent restarting a map, and that WAS NOT FUN
What I like about FE is having that feeling of becoming powerful. You know mostly you start weak, having units that are frail, very low stats, missing often. But then as you progress into the game, your frail units become more and more powerful and at the end they pretty much wrecks everything on their path. That's the thing I like about FE, starting weak and becoming strong. In the lates FE games it's even more fun to become op. Like how much fun it was for me in Engage to see Yunaka becoming a crit machine that destroys everything while being in fog or having a glass cannon mage like Citrine to nuke anything she comes by. When I commit to a choice about who to play, I stick to it because I want to see that character become strong ans so I make runs where I don't want my characters to die. That's how I enjoy playing FE. Thanks for sharing your point of view.^^
I think the basic idea of games in general, is to just play the games in whatever format you find most enjoyable, regardless of what speedrunners, youtubers, purists or your friends say...
When talking about enjoying a game, the ONLY opinion that matters on how you should do that is your own. Taking inspiration and suggestions is of course a great way to find new things to try, but you should never feel obligated to play a game in a way you don't enjoy, just because someone on the internet says it's a "bad" way to enjoy the game.
I don't hoard stat boosters, I simply forget about them... and when I discover the ludicrous number of stat boosters that have somehow accumulate, my life sucks for the next 30 min as I try to distribute them in a way that makes sense. Do not be a hoarder, do not be me.
I'm really glad I've only recently come across discussions about optimization, LTC, pitfalls, speedrunning, etc. For a while, it did make me concerned about how I wasn't playing well, but after 2 decades or so, I just can't be bothered to make major changes. I'll take advice and try to improve on my own terms, but old habits thankfully die hard and I can just keep enjoying things as I've done them.
Things I will keep caring about: (1) dogshit writing in a game that not only has a story, but is also in a game that requires thinking. (2) Why can't I reposition my forced deployed units? You have no excuses Nintendo/IS.
A lot of us don't have the time to smash our faces against a hand axe until it bre- I mean, most of us don't have the time to keep failing a game over and over until we luck out and beat it. We got lives to live
Funniest to me is when people complain about there being too much tedium between chapters, support conversations etc. You know what would decrease that? Not reseting every time a character dies.