Just bought one at the right price and thankfully no misalignment issues. Gorgeous vintage reissue that has so many appealing styling cues. Great review
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Oh no... After you point out that misaligned ring... It's like the only thing I keep noticing.
Nice watch but the misalignment issue is unacceptable. I’ve recently purchased a Seiko Blumo/Sumo and my watch had no alignment issues on chapter ring or bezel and I’ve never been more satisfied with a watch and for only $420 .
As long as people keep buying them they won't change a thing. It's a joke that they can't have every single watch properly inspected before it leaves the factory. You are a watch maker with more than 100 years experience, not some 2 year old micro brand.
It is a great watch but I would never buy watch with missaligned dial/chapter ring no matter what is the price. It makes me very unsatisfied (Especially on 1000$ watch). Why Seiko why???
~ Greetings ~ I'm curious, as I heard through the rumour mill, that the - "Seiko H558 Arnie" - will have a re-release (later) this year. ~ around August ~ is this (rumour) true? ~ or just speculation? ~ Once I heard about this, it piqued my interest to get one, however, I haven't heard anything else about it. ~ If true, what I'm curious about it is, will it be (as you mentioned) at the start of this video, will it be a re-issue (or) a recreation? ~ what have you heard in terms of this rumoured re-release? and what thoughts do you have about the Seiko H558 Arnie re-release?
Hello watch geek, great chanl, I have a question, I bought the twilight blue. Is the same model but the dial is blue and the bezel orange and black. So my problem is that the lumubrite on the dial ist uneven placed, you Can see the did not take time or enough concentration and if that a close look you get to see that failure. Is this normal, should I return the watch or is somethi g normal? Greetings!
Wow the misalignment on this particular Seiko is pretty atrocious! My SPB077J only issue is the 12:00 chapter ring marker is slightly to the left (yours is to the right) of the 12:00 indices. Everything else is spot on so I really dont mind. I have mine on a waffle strap which helps minimize the size on my smaller wrist :)
For me the sbdc061 is the closest thing we have to the 6159 period. Bezel, case, proportions, dial depth are really close to the original. Making SLA025 and MM300 suitable for saturation diving changed the proportions of the 6159 so much.
ive known seiko's reputation for misalignment but cant help but giggle at this one. very good and honest review but i feel WG is unfortunate with this piece. over here in singapore, ive yet to see this misalignment issue with both new and used mm200. cant help but feel that this is a one off.
If you are looking for smaller diver, take a look at the Shanghai military diver #114 reissue of China's first diver made for the army in 1963. Interesting history like the Seagull 1963 chronograph. Very unique.
@@WatchGeek Hope you like it and get one for review. It deserves the same recognition as the chronograph. The Chinese can make good watches. I just got one type B Flieger with sapphire glass, heated blue hand and an enameled dial for 139USD!
The lack of Signed Crown and missed alignment of the Bezel still make it a majour drawback in this watch. If Seiko makes it a little bit smaller in diameter, even at 200 US $ more, it will beat all other competitive watch makers by far.
Kinetic je kvarcni sat sa punjivom baterijom koja se napaja nošenjem, zamašnjak stvara elektromagnetsko polje koje puni bateriju. Automatic je čisti mehanički sat kod kojeg se nošenjem navija opruga. Kinetic je jako točan, Automatic be toliko
This is why I stopped buying seiko's 5 years ago. I bought a certina ds action quartz cosc certified for £250 in the sale in the UK. Absolute bargain! No quality issues, accuracy is insane! 2 seconds out in 5 months!! Def prefer Certina to Seiko!
It's a looker but three things eliminate it from my need-to-have list: 1. Case diameter too big 2. Dislike monster hour hands 3. Large bracelet links detract from comfort on small wrists
Just picked up this watch today and I can say that they fixed the misaligned chapter ring issue. Absolutely love this watch but i do wish they had a better divers extension lol
I don't like these hands only for one reason only- they are painted. That's it. I still like the watch and it is on my wish list but I like hands to be brushed/polished metal, not painted.
Great watch if it was $300! For that price i have a hydroconquest with 10 times better finishing and 300m water resistance! Seiko is going real deep down real fast!
Lol. Everyone else is allowed to make expensive watches but all Seikos must be $300! This is simply not a cheap looking or cheap feeling watch. It punches above its weight, not below (providing you get one without misalignment issues).
Seiko wants to go upmarket and increase their price? Fine, but it has to come with a quality increase as well. A thousand dollar watch that still has misalignment issue? Get stuffed. There's nothing in this watch that makes it worth a grand.
It is not a bad looking watch, but the bad QC is an ever greater annoying thing. What the fudge is it with Seiko, don't they care? More and more i'am beginning to think it is arrogance. For this price I would personally go for a Casio Oceanus. Yes, a Casio! No QC problems here if you don't hate a quartz movement, it's perfection.
Seiko shouldn't put their name on the dial anymore, make it blank because I'm sure people will recognize it's a Seiko due to that misaligned chapter ring. Da fuck happened to their qc? It's a JDM model no less.
This is a $400 watch at best. It’s now 2022 and you can buy these new for $450 Australian which is around $600 AUD. It’s overpriced junk. I would have like some more honesty.
@@adamski101I bought my Rolex submariner for $4000 and Grand Seiko spring drive for $2000 over 12 years ago and that's how much I think they are worth. Does that answer your question?
You can get a Rolex copy indistinguishable from the real thing even under a loupe for $500. The caseback has to be removed before even a trained Rolex tech could spot that it's a fake so why do you think they're worth even $4k?
@@adamski101 Simple. I can sell it and get at least 9K for it on the secondary market. For safe conservative measure, it's as good as carrying around 4K cash since that's what I paid for it. I have seen the AAA knock offs in Thailand. Still garbage. Crap movement and crap water resistance. To me, worth more than the finish.
Just bought one at the right price and thankfully no misalignment issues. Gorgeous vintage reissue that has so many appealing styling cues. Great review
Oh no... After you point out that misaligned ring... It's like the only thing I keep noticing.
I agree these are one if not the best hands on a diver ever.
Nice watch but the misalignment issue is unacceptable. I’ve recently purchased a Seiko Blumo/Sumo and my watch had no alignment issues on chapter ring or bezel and I’ve never been more satisfied with a watch and for only $420 .
Seiko charging 4 figures for this watch and they still can't line up the chapter ring.
GTFO with that garbage QC Seiko...
As long as people keep buying them they won't change a thing. It's a joke that they can't have every single watch properly inspected before it leaves the factory. You are a watch maker with more than 100 years experience, not some 2 year old micro brand.
But AP watches cost 100 times more and the their bezel screws are always misaligned why?
@@neoethan6059 Because the new rich are not very smart and keep buying them for the sake of wearing a 5 to 6 figure watch!
It’s really terrible that Seiko has this alignment problem. I actually recently got this model and luckily the alignment on mine is fine.
You are my favourite reviewer! What’s your opinion of this over the 051/053 edition?
It is a great watch but I would never buy watch with missaligned dial/chapter ring no matter what is the price. It makes me very unsatisfied (Especially on 1000$ watch). Why Seiko why???
Sta to tocno znaci, nije mi jasno sta se to ne podudara ? Ako moze objasnjenje da pripazim na takve stvari u buduce. Lp
Excellent review once again, many thanks WG
Thanks for watching 😁
Nice!
I love the pined bracelet much more then idiotic screws.
Unbelievable to see the chapter misalignment in a ~$1,000 watch!
this one as part of black edition hell yes!
~ Greetings
~ I'm curious, as I heard through the rumour mill, that the - "Seiko H558 Arnie" - will have a re-release (later) this year. ~ around August ~ is this (rumour) true? ~ or just speculation?
~ Once I heard about this, it piqued my interest to get one, however, I haven't heard anything else about it.
~ If true, what I'm curious about it is, will it be (as you mentioned) at the start of this video, will it be a re-issue (or) a recreation?
~ what have you heard in terms of this rumoured re-release? and what thoughts do you have about the Seiko H558 Arnie re-release?
I heard it to, but don't know if it will happen. I think it will be a Re-interpretation
Guys, google is your friend. Re-interpretation. Available from August.
Hello watch geek, great chanl, I have a question, I bought the twilight blue. Is the same model but the dial is blue and the bezel orange and black. So my problem is that the lumubrite on the dial ist uneven placed, you Can see the did not take time or enough concentration and if that a close look you get to see that failure. Is this normal, should I return the watch or is somethi g normal? Greetings!
Nice watch
What's the name of the handset? It's beautiful, bold, and sporty.
Great review, to the point and covering all the issues. 👌
Wow the misalignment on this particular Seiko is pretty atrocious! My SPB077J only issue is the 12:00 chapter ring marker is slightly to the left (yours is to the right) of the 12:00 indices. Everything else is spot on so I really dont mind. I have mine on a waffle strap which helps minimize the size on my smaller wrist :)
I’ve never had a misaligned Seiko but the one in the video is horrid, that is classed as a defect and straight for a returns in my view…
For me the sbdc061 is the closest thing we have to the 6159 period. Bezel, case, proportions, dial depth are really close to the original. Making SLA025 and MM300 suitable for saturation diving changed the proportions of the 6159 so much.
I agree this is MUCH more wearable
Simeon Aleksiev what’s the difference between the SPB077 and SBDC061?
@@Ferien7 there is no actual difference. The SBDC061 is the reference for Japan and the SPB077- the one for rest of the world.
It's about time I get myself a Spinnikar. I feel like I waited long enough for Seiko to right their wrongs only to not do so. Thanks for the review.
Will the chapter ring debacle ever end? Beyond understandable at any pricepoint.
And the bezel misalignment and the movement accuracy lottery!
Very enjoyable video and analysis. Will subscribe
Thanks, I appreciate the subscription 😊
ive known seiko's reputation for misalignment but cant help but giggle at this one. very good and honest review but i feel WG is unfortunate with this piece. over here in singapore, ive yet to see this misalignment issue with both new and used mm200. cant help but feel that this is a one off.
Citizen is much better. They pay more attention to details. No misalignment on Citizen watches
No thanks...not mechanical
I like the look of it even at 44mm as it looks like it wears closer to 42. 👌
Yup, if really does wear smaller
Hey man your narrative voice reminded me of CEDRIC and Bob in Seinfeld ..
Nice watch btw
Haha that made me laugh and thanks
If you are looking for smaller diver, take a look at the Shanghai military diver #114 reissue of China's first diver made for the army in 1963. Interesting history like the Seagull 1963 chronograph. Very unique.
I definitely will, thanks for the heads up 👍
@@WatchGeek Hope you like it and get one for review. It deserves the same recognition as the chronograph. The Chinese can make good watches. I just got one type B Flieger with sapphire glass, heated blue hand and an enameled dial for 139USD!
hello friend, i'm thinking about buying this model, i'm interested in having a good watch?
The lack of Signed Crown and missed alignment of the Bezel still make it a majour drawback in this watch.
If Seiko makes it a little bit smaller in diameter, even at 200 US $ more, it will beat all other competitive watch makers by far.
Top big for a 16,5mm wrist?
As long as Seikos have misaligned chapter rings, World War 2 is not yet over. BANZAI!
Great video.. Had to watch amd comment again
Thanks 😊
Nekako cudan razmak izmedju luga i narukvice sa strane 12h, jel optička varka ili zbilja ima toliko lufta!? Sa profila je satonja savrsen.
I don’t know why Seiko prefers making 43-45mm case watches while their fans would like to have 40-42 mm.
Amen 🙌
It wears way smaller than my skx,,just get it
Some of us have 8" wrists and want Seiko to make BIGGER watches, not smaller. I love this particular model but it wears way too small on my wrist.
Koja je razlika izmedju seiko KINETIC I AUTOMATIC pozdrav
Kinetic je kvarcni sat sa punjivom baterijom koja se napaja nošenjem, zamašnjak stvara elektromagnetsko polje koje puni bateriju.
Automatic je čisti mehanički sat kod kojeg se nošenjem navija opruga.
Kinetic je jako točan, Automatic be toliko
@@WatchGeek ok hvala puno
Ništa 😊👍
I hope seiko make 38-40mm mid tier diver like this. Why they always so big??
a 40mm version of this or of the sumo would be perfection.
Its believed ONLY grey market dealers have misaligned Seiko and you wont find a misaligned one at AD. 🤷♂️
How the **** did Seiko QC pass this watch ??? Were they sleeping ? Or the Fukushima radiation got to them ??
I will get one if this is 40~42mm.
This watch wears like a 41mm or 42mm case. It wears really well on a small wrist.
This is why I stopped buying seiko's 5 years ago. I bought a certina ds action quartz cosc certified for £250 in the sale in the UK. Absolute bargain! No quality issues, accuracy is insane! 2 seconds out in 5 months!! Def prefer Certina to Seiko!
Is that Sumo?
It's a looker but three things eliminate it from my need-to-have list:
1. Case diameter too big
2. Dislike monster hour hands
3. Large bracelet links detract from comfort on small wrists
LOVE your avatar and name 😂😂
It wears like a 40mm watch. I'm selling mine because it's too SMALL.
So the spb077 is the same as sbdc061 ???
Yes the SBDC is Japanese market code for the same watch
at this pt, the misalignment is intentional
Haha it's a feature 😄
@@WatchGeek To prevent counterfeiting....must be.
@@RationalThinker1859 😂😂😂😂👍 good one
Rotating bezel is ceramic???
Nope
Just picked up this watch today and I can say that they fixed the misaligned chapter ring issue. Absolutely love this watch but i do wish they had a better divers extension lol
U just got very lucky. They didn't fix anything. Lol
@@jeffdolgin7436 lmao facts
I don't like these hands only for one reason only- they are painted. That's it. I still like the watch and it is on my wish list but I like hands to be brushed/polished metal, not painted.
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How to spot a fake Seiko:
Perfectly aligned chapter ring.
🤣🤣🤣👍
That misalignment is pathetic. I love Seiko and I love this model, but I am not purchasing until I'm assured my watch will be perfectly aligned
Geez, that's the worst misalignment I've seen on a Seiko
Great watch if it was $300! For that price i have a hydroconquest with 10 times better finishing and 300m water resistance! Seiko is going real deep down real fast!
Lol. Everyone else is allowed to make expensive watches but all Seikos must be $300! This is simply not a cheap looking or cheap feeling watch. It punches above its weight, not below (providing you get one without misalignment issues).
😁👍
Seiko wants to go upmarket and increase their price? Fine, but it has to come with a quality increase as well. A thousand dollar watch that still has misalignment issue? Get stuffed. There's nothing in this watch that makes it worth a grand.
It is not a bad looking watch, but the bad QC is an ever greater annoying thing. What the fudge is it with Seiko, don't they care? More and more i'am beginning to think it is arrogance. For this price I would personally go for a Casio Oceanus. Yes, a Casio! No QC problems here if you don't hate a quartz movement, it's perfection.
Joop Plankman Seiko is moving upstream and abandoning its lower end lines. It’s trying to be luxury these days
Seiko shouldn't put their name on the dial anymore, make it blank because I'm sure people will recognize it's a Seiko due to that misaligned chapter ring. Da fuck happened to their qc? It's a JDM model no less.
Minute markers are off
I prefer seiko tuna
better than turtle or samurai?
IMO yes
The watch almost looks like a knock off due to the poor quality and sloppy assembly.
Misalignment at this price point is stoopid
Edwien Gusmantara Seiko no longer cares about its entry level watches. It’s mostly about grand Seiko these days
I like it a lot, but the prospex logo on the dial it's a no no for me
The Alignment issue drive me nuts 😡
You're not alone bro
I like it, but I don't $1000 like it.
This is a $400 watch at best. It’s now 2022 and you can buy these new for $450 Australian which is around $600 AUD. It’s overpriced junk. I would have like some more honesty.
where can i buy this for $
450?
This watch is worth $300 tops in my opinion.
What do you value the Rolex Submariner at? $750?
@@adamski101I bought my Rolex submariner for $4000 and Grand Seiko spring drive for $2000 over 12 years ago and that's how much I think they are worth. Does that answer your question?
You can get a Rolex copy indistinguishable from the real thing even under a loupe for $500. The caseback has to be removed before even a trained Rolex tech could spot that it's a fake so why do you think they're worth even $4k?
@@adamski101 Simple. I can sell it and get at least 9K for it on the secondary market. For safe conservative measure, it's as good as carrying around 4K cash since that's what I paid for it. I have seen the AAA knock offs in Thailand. Still garbage. Crap movement and crap water resistance. To me, worth more than the finish.