So on the 11/6 or 11/7 there's a hangout with junpei after school. Go with Junpei and the day after that, go to the flower shop to buy the white flowers and give them to Junpei at night.
people keep focusing on memento mori and death as the central theme of persona 3... but the phrase has 2 parts: Memento Mori, Remember you will die. Memento Vita, Remember you will live.
I remember some people really hated this revival thing back in the day 😂 But to me it's really heartwarming to see a bittersweet outcome, especially for such a good friend like Junpei. And I hope he will show her the sketchbook one day and makes her remember the good memories 😊
I remember the proposal in Ultimax being just a dream. All the times he mentions her outside the dream is in past tense. I believe that was done to keep things ambiguous, so no definitive canon.
@@AnonymousC14 Memento Vita means "remember life", as in celebrate your life simply because you live. In this case, Chidori's revival is meant for you to remember that just like death being as important as to someone's life, being alive after everything is what makes it important to someone's life
people might say this revival cheapens chidori's sacrifice, but the chidori that junpei knows is thematically and effectively "dead". she lost her memories, she might look the same and acts the same, but this chidori is already different from the one we used to know, for one she's not afraid of living now.
Yeah she even lost majority of her childhood memories because she's been forced to experience the dark hour ever since she was a child. So in a way, she's serves as the justice that Strega deserved for having their lives and identity taken away and altered by a bunch selfish scientists. Now she gets to live the life of a normal girl without the trauma of being a test subject all her life. Honestly her coming back to life is not too far from reality as such miracles have happened in real life although they are very rare. And the only reason why this event was triggered was because you encouraged Junpei to treat her life as if it was the most precious treasure in the world and that belief manifested. Without his dedication to her, this wouldn't have happened.
Since the explanation of her revival makes sense I'm totally okay with it. That's really all I ask for in "Oh wait I'm actually alive" scenes. And for those who don't like it, whether or not it even happens is up to their actions as the player.
To be fair loss of memory related to loop feedback from losing access to Dark Hour doesn't seem permanent - because P3 cast also gets mindwiped but ends up remembering when inconsistencies keep piling up. And considering how much Chidori lost - and how even the revival scene itself shows that her mind does begin to slowly reconnect the dots and bring her discomfort when she encounters "gaps" - it clearly shows it is not gone completely - just blocked off and she has quite a number of "gaps" to remind her that she "misses something". Whether she will "Face The Truth" or decides to keep it locked away - is up to her. Though I doubt we will ever find it out... But hey at least Junpei in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax does look like he wears her cross... And I doubt he would be wearing it as a memento when she is alive and well (as her being alive is now 100% canon conclusion) - it looks more like a gift. So there is that.
I'm really glad they kept this in the game. When I heard some FES suff wasn't going to be in, I was worried this might be cut, even though it's canon (as shown in Ultimax), but it's so good seeing it here.
All FES stuff are actually in the game, dorm recordings, Koromaru walks, and this event right here. Answer dlc is also coming according to datamines of the game files, So it’s basically Persona 3 Reload FES. I don’t mind though since all of it is in the main timeline story and direct canonical spin-off being Arena indeed referenced them.
Let's not forget that Death in the Arcana also signifies a great change, and the Death of what once was through replacement of what is or what will be. Chidori as she knew herself, as junpei knew her, and as the rest of the cast knew her (all different sides) is Gone. Nothing but a memory. And it's up to her (and junpei) to be bogged down by that, or continue on the path of the arcana, and roll with it.
Bruh, for those who complain; if you want Chidori to stay dead just because it's against the message of theme or it lessens the impact or whatever bs reason you think, then don't interact with Junpei, don't trigger the event. It's easy, you have a choice. Game just gives you options, that's all.
I have mixed feelings about the fact that she survived. It seems to contradict the impact of her death in the original story. Personally, I would have preferred if they had followed a similar approach to the p3p, where her death was final and there was no possibility of resurrection.
For the people complaining about the theme being death and Chidori living being a canon event, you all only understood HALF OF THE MESSAGE AND THEME! Its Memento mori. Memento vita. Which means, remember you will die and remember you will live. Ergo, the theme is LIFE AND DEATH. Not only death. I thought this theme was clear all those years ago when Persona 3 originally came out and here we are (sorry to any Kirby fans that got flashbacks from those previous four words), all these years later those of us who know gotta remind folks of this.
exactly, people in persona 3 are wishing for death because they are losing hope, facing various personal difficulties, but the protagonist, with his willingness to listen and help is giving them another perspective, that everything can change, nothing is permanent, just like lives that will reaching it's end, so is difficulties, they will ended also, . death is the end of live, but difficulties ended when we accept and make peace with it, in other words face it and solved it, hence why i think, the protagonist shielding the door, preventing everyone for reaching out to death as salvation to their problem, and wishing them to live happily. .
Seriously the biggest evidence of the game’s theme involving both life and death is the evolution of the personas themselves. The evolved personas the SEES members get are literally made by their determination to continue living despite all the pain life has.
@@cometcartoons8528 Also Fuuka’s personal arc unlike other party memeber revolves around separation; the idea that bonds persist even when the other half is far away and it has nothing to do with death. The support capabilities of Lucia and Juno's and symbolism are associated with life and protection, She feel someone's presence with sign of life.
Also the next person who said P3 Answer confirmed Chidori died; It's mistranslation. In JP version, Junpei said "aitsu"/"that person" when discussing about Makoto's sacrifice. EN somehow picked it up as Chidori despite the implication is clear that Junpei meant Makoto. This is why the game seems to conflict whether she's dead or not; Chidori has always been intended to be alive, and P4Arena bluntly gives you the hint with Junpei's new necklace (which he clearly never seen with before) and his proposal to Chidori in dream (which would conflict a lot with Answer'ss general theme of moving on from past if Chidori was really dead).
People are completely missing the point of why this is still a narratively positive moment. Yes, death is a main aspect of the story. But the major aspect is that the future is uncertain, and how you should seize every moment. Chidori being revived and being abundantly clear she wants to live so she can remember Junpei is not in conflict with the theme. If you don't get those flowers and push Junpei to seize the chance, she stays dead. Those flowers on that one day are the dealbreaker, and if Junpei remains hesitant she doesn't return. It's a great scene.
There is! All those who don't like it Suck it up! This is canon baby! People who think Persona 3 is only about death shouldn't call themselves Persona 3 fans because they clearly didn't get the message. Death is inevitable, yes, but that should not make us lose hope, miracles exist and sometimes they happen, those only occasions, when things that seem impossible occur.
If this was in the original it would've been fine, but it feels cheap in FES since Atlus basically just walked back on a decision they made. Still, Chidori living doesn't really add much or take away that much. it's just whatever.
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax solidified this being canon. Anyone arguing about this not being canon at this point needs to pay close attention regarding the necklace Junpei wore in Ultimax and who he said bought him that.
This actually broke me. Junpei has some god tier character development. And seeing he's supposed to be the funny best bro character makes this hit even harder. Junpei crying tears of happiness and then hearing the girls crying because they're actually happy for him was so emotional. They did Junpei so dirty by making Chidori forget him, but I guess that's what makes the emotions in this scene so powerful.
I like how P3R especially went out of it's way to explain Chidori's revival and people are still too dumb to understand what happened. Chidori can infuse other lifeforms with her power to restore them to life. She does this with Junpei, but it costs all of her life force. However, prior when Chidori doesn't want to see Junpei, you have the option of encouraging him to see her anyway and when you do he gives her flowers. She ignores him but very clearly keeps the flowers because you can literally see them in the vase beside her hospital bed. In P3R they even make you buy the flowers for Junpei. In an earlier scene she takes care of the flowers by her bedside by using her power. So since the flowers Junpei gave her a month ago are still clearly okay, it's very obvious she took care of the flowers with her power. The leftover life force in those flowers is why she was able to revive. It's also why she will die if Junpei doesn't give her flowers. Do y'all need Speedwagon narration to understand this? She lost her Persona because it merged with Junpei's and without her Persona she lost all her memories of the Dark Hour.
I only just had a miracle like this myself not too long ago...! I had a friend who I graduated with back in 2020, and ever since, I tried to find a way to get in contact with him, but no matter how hard I tried, I never got anywhere... and when time passed on, I became so scared that I cried a lot... I was becoming super scared that he might've died or gave up, which I didn't want that ever to happen... and not only that, but I was completely alone where I lived, and I had no friends where I lived at all... it made me so depressed and scared that I may never be able to find anyone else that was like him. However, as of now... I finally found him again. He was very grateful for me and said he would love to be friends with me, and he really did mean it too. He even said he really loved how I did my digital artworks too, and he did say he wanted to break out of his art block, which I know I have the same issue. And as we talked, I couldn't keep my tears in at all. I finally found my friend I cared about very much, and it felt like I was finally blessed with a miracle...! Even now, I'm still crying with happiness, but today is 9/4. Today has literally become the best day of my entire life ever. 🥲
Looking at the comments, I guess many people would choose bad ending instead. Since you know, all SEES members technically refuse to accept their death, and somehow miracle happened. Just like this.
I've seen some negative takes on this death. However one way I like to look at it is she represents the concept of life after death, which persona 3 explores in a few social links. Like some characters (Gourmet King) believe in an after life, some (Aki) belive the dead watch over them like ghosts. This view being the view of resurrection after death. Which some religions teach off. It could also be symbolic of the flowers Junpei gives her. Flowers wilt and die only to blossom again after a period of time. Chidori is like that, and honestly I like it and the many different views on death and after life that comes in this game. It would be a little repetitive if every death was the same. Her last name Yoshino also means lucky wild life/ fields so there's some parallels there as well.
2:13 Having first played Persona 5 Royal, I can't help but compare this scene to the Maruki and Rumi flashback and notice that Junpei was almost about to make the same mistake Maruki did in thinking it would be better that she forget what happened. It's a neat little parallel that reinforces both games' themes at once in a small way.
@@SentaiYamaneko I see. Incidentally, as much as I liked the ending of Persona 5 Royal, I would've liked if it mentioned something about Rumi. The whole point was Maruki needing to learn to overcome reality by facing it instead of running from it, with the main thing that he was running from being what happened to Rumi, yet the ending mentions nothing about Rumi, even though the loss of Mementos and Personae raises the question of if Rumi's cognition is still altered or if she now remembers what really happened. If it had Maruki mention that he was going to talk to Rumi and make things right, that would've been enough.
In Chidori's case, literally nothing would be better if she regained her memories. Her suffering was due to her own unfortunate experiences and didn't involve other people in her life, and since she's free of her potential which was the source of her problems, none of it matters anymore. It would only benefit Junpei if she remembered.
I just notice this the reason cidori forgot junpei and other because she lost her persona, just like everyone after we defeated nyx, they lost their persona and the dark hour gone, i have been playing persona 3 for very long time, i just realize it now.
I honestly dont mind this at all The game is already riddled with enough death as is. Plus the game doesn't just center around Death it also centers about life and living that life to the fullest. Nothing wrong with letting Junpei get a happy ending here.
I don't mind Chidori living either, but reading nu-fans cope about her revival being thematically consistent with ignorant logic is triggering. There's no shame in saying that you're just happy for Junpei instead of typing paragraphs lmao.
This scene is so beautiful and so sweet. I’m so glad Chidori is alive. Too bad the MC couldn’t live together with everyone in the end. It’s not right 😭😭😭😭
Okay I know all the "memento mori isn't the full phrase" people have something to say but like I really do think this cheapens that scene and Junpei's development. Memento vivire can be applied to Junpei, to live on because Chidori gave up her life for him. This is seen in his theurgy too like come on. You're telling me a little bit of life force brought back a full person who was already dying before anyway due to the supplement stuff? Shinji and Ken arc mirrors the junpei chidori arc except one's about vengeance and ones about fear. Shinji dies but Chidori gets to live? Bruh.
@@avelvett okay?? I don’t understand what this reply is lol I just stated my opinion. Also I heard p4 arena is pretty vague about it and it was some sort of dream, not to mention you couldn’t save chidori in the og. AND p3p femc route isnt really canon. I’ve only played reload but this is the info i got after some research, might be off but her fate seems ambiguous at best.
@@avelvett sorry but you can’t save her in the original p3…look it up you can only save her in revised editions such as a FES p3p or reload, but not the 2006 release (as said in the wiki and other forums). And with the Arena thing, supposedly he dreamt about marrying her or something but she never gets seen again so imo that is kinda vague. I’m not mad about not being able to save Shinji, I just think reviving her because of some flowers is kind of a cop out and doesn’t have the same impact, that’s all.
@@avelvett I think you make a great point in the last part, saving the world to secure their future together is a compelling reason. I guess to me that scene where Chidori gives her life force as a sacrifice hits hard, and to bring her back due to some flowers just…removes that emotion. I don’t want Junpei to be sad forever, but sometimes you really do lose the people closest to you randomly and miracles are rare. Ik its kinda dumb to expect realism in a game with magic and gods and demons from every mythology ever, but every death and it’s aftermath had been pretty realistic imo. Even the miracle that MC pulled off at the end came at the cost of his life, just like the miracle of saving Junpei cost Chidori’s. From what Ive played and in my pov, Junpei was insecure and aimless in the sense that he felt lost about his future, and was only confident in his fighting skills. Chidori dying gave him new fuel, and his theurgy attack shows that he will always keep her in his thoughts but he still grieves. It just doesn’t make that much sense to me if she were alive. Why would he be kinda sad there at the end? Unless his theurgy changes which maybe i just didnt see. It not being in the original 2006 version and being added on later feels like it was added on for fans, and the flower thing just seems lazy. Again, its just my opinion and I can definitely see what u are talking about it just doesn’t give the same emotional fuel imo.
People be like, she shouldve not lived because it removes the whole message of the game lol. Quit looking on the same side of the coin, start looking on the other side
I think they're just a bunch of hypocrites too, since Junpei was the first to die and he was REVIVED! So why can't Chidori be given that chance too? I'm telling you right now, everybody, including those people who keep complaining about Chidori's revival, would've riot had he just stayed dead then and there. Listen... Miracles are rare but they DO happen, even in real life. Heck! Even the sacrifice that the P3MC gave at the end of the game WAS a miracle. Because before him, the world was literally doomed, no questions asked. Ryoji said it himself; In almost every scenario, there was no capacity for the world to have survived the Fall and yet it did. This event is also optional, so everybody just needs to take a chill pill.
@@bananabunch4590 "I think they're just a bunch of hypocrites too, since Junpei was the first to die and he was REVIVED! So why can't Chidori be given that chance too?" They traded lives in the original. It's not the same. Comparing the miracle that the MC pulled off as a result of being the protagonist to a revival of an originally dead character is a false equivalent. The game can't just end with "everyone dies" as the true ending. There's still a story to be made, you know? Stop trying to justify your childish desire for happy endings.
I mean ... I get the theme of the game, but fuck it. Let Junpei have his happy ending. At least they sort of explained why she somehow became alive again.
What sucks is that I'm already way past the point where I could have gotten the flowers; I'm on 12/1. Granted, I might have an older save... but I'd have to recall exactly what choices I made in my schedule. And that includes having had a few lucky skill changes during fusion. Still... maybe I should give it a shot anyway.
Anyone know the name of the BGM they used in this cutscene? Seems to be a unique version of Memories of You combined with Living With Determination. Every OST compilation seems to be missing this song.
I didn’t find out this was an option till after I beat the game, and personally I prefer Chidori dying. But if you like her being alive that’s valid. I see a lot of people saying that her living is about Momento Vivre, but I personally think her dying actually strengths the theme of living. Memento Vivre means ‘remember to live’, and I think that applies to Junpei himself, he must learn to continue to live his life in spite of the tremendous grief of loving the one he loved, so he must not squander the life he gave her, and I think keeping her alive cheapens it, Atleast for me. Again if you believe otherwise that’s totally valid but I just wanted to share my perspective and how I think her death still fits with the theme of living and not just death
after we figth nyx, in some months they(sees) remember each other. Só i believe chidori can remember someday too. If she was able to back to life, remember the person she loves is not a big deal.
Oh thank god she’s alive. Can’t have the protagonist to be the only one who doesn’t die a virgin. Yes if somehow y’all don’t know. The protagonist in the original story. Sleeps with almost all the girls.
When an JRPG gives you choices on multiple events like it should because it’s a ROLE PLAYING GAME 😱😱😱 like please stfu and enjoy the fact you can even save her. I get it, it “ruins” the integrity of the themes and shi but come on now. Most people won’t even get this version of events until the second playthrough. Relax.
The lack of FES content was highly exagerated, the only thing from FES that Reload lacks is The Answer (which it apparently is getting at some point anyway as DLC) It's the same as P3P in this regard (which also has all of the FES content except for The Answer)
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So on the 11/6 or 11/7 there's a hangout with junpei after school. Go with Junpei and the day after that, go to the flower shop to buy the white flowers and give them to Junpei at night.
I didn't get a hangout on either of those days, could it be random or do you need to do something else?
That's all? Oh thank God, okay I'm good
@@beatingstuff88 I don't know then cause that's when it showed up for me
Where is junpei at? I cant find him
@@kurtflakes22 in the classroom after school
I like how they extended the scene of yukari and fuuka crying for just a tiny bit with a new perspective, it's quite lively
people keep focusing on memento mori and death as the central theme of persona 3... but the phrase has 2 parts: Memento Mori, Remember you will die. Memento Vita, Remember you will live.
Yes thank you! People think death is this game’s only theme but there’s so much more to it.
I hope the sequel to persona 3 (if ever there is) revolves around Memento Vita
Makoto fan: no don't give me hope
Basically everyone else after Nyx is defeated
@@theadmiral4157 persona 3 2 😮
Chidori gave Junpei her life. Junpei gave Chidori hope through the flowers. That hope restored Chidori's life. Fucking beautiful
It's quite poetic if you ask me
But at the cost of her memories.
I remember some people really hated this revival thing back in the day 😂
But to me it's really heartwarming to see a bittersweet outcome, especially for such a good friend like Junpei. And I hope he will show her the sketchbook one day and makes her remember the good memories 😊
Absolute cinema
Is this after her boss fight
Junpei's VA is really giving his all
Zeno is so FUCKING GOOD.
Zeno is one of the best modern VAs out there right now.
@@loganthevillager9176 definitely
When I heard him cry, I started crying too, he's just too talented and you can say how much love and effort he put into this role
So him trying to propose to Chidori in Arena will be canon.
Like to think by 2024 they're happily married with kids
Will be? It already was canon.
I remember the proposal in Ultimax being just a dream. All the times he mentions her outside the dream is in past tense.
I believe that was done to keep things ambiguous, so no definitive canon.
the arena games have always been cannon
Nah, she would've died anyway because of the supressants
@@joaolima7131"there's no more danger of her dying in two years."
Do people forget that P3 theme is both Memento Mori *and* Memento Vita or do we have to explain everything again;
Run it back
I know the main theme is Memento Mori, but I haven't heard of Memento Vita! Can someone explain?? 😅
@@AnonymousC14 Memento Vita means "remember life", as in celebrate your life simply because you live. In this case, Chidori's revival is meant for you to remember that just like death being as important as to someone's life, being alive after everything is what makes it important to someone's life
@@rezaalfarezy9212 oooooooh I see I see! Thank you for the explanation! :D
people might say this revival cheapens chidori's sacrifice, but the chidori that junpei knows is thematically and effectively "dead".
she lost her memories, she might look the same and acts the same, but this chidori is already different from the one we used to know, for one she's not afraid of living now.
Yeah she even lost majority of her childhood memories because she's been forced to experience the dark hour ever since she was a child.
So in a way, she's serves as the justice that Strega deserved for having their lives and identity taken away and altered by a bunch selfish scientists.
Now she gets to live the life of a normal girl without the trauma of being a test subject all her life.
Honestly her coming back to life is not too far from reality as such miracles have happened in real life although they are very rare.
And the only reason why this event was triggered was because you encouraged Junpei to treat her life as if it was the most precious treasure in the world and that belief manifested. Without his dedication to her, this wouldn't have happened.
Since the explanation of her revival makes sense I'm totally okay with it. That's really all I ask for in "Oh wait I'm actually alive" scenes.
And for those who don't like it, whether or not it even happens is up to their actions as the player.
Wishful thinking but hopefully Atlus would make an OVA where she regains her memories since unwanted events like p4 accomplice ending had one
I am sure Junpei can warm her up just like before , and he can even show her the sketchbook 👍 Just hope it didn't trigger her bad traumas😅
To be fair loss of memory related to loop feedback from losing access to Dark Hour doesn't seem permanent - because P3 cast also gets mindwiped but ends up remembering when inconsistencies keep piling up.
And considering how much Chidori lost - and how even the revival scene itself shows that her mind does begin to slowly reconnect the dots and bring her discomfort when she encounters "gaps" - it clearly shows it is not gone completely - just blocked off and she has quite a number of "gaps" to remind her that she "misses something".
Whether she will "Face The Truth" or decides to keep it locked away - is up to her.
Though I doubt we will ever find it out...
But hey at least Junpei in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax does look like he wears her cross... And I doubt he would be wearing it as a memento when she is alive and well (as her being alive is now 100% canon conclusion) - it looks more like a gift. So there is that.
I'm really glad they kept this in the game. When I heard some FES suff wasn't going to be in, I was worried this might be cut, even though it's canon (as shown in Ultimax), but it's so good seeing it here.
When did Ultimax confirm anything regarding Chidori? I don't recall her being mentioned at all in that game.
@@shadowagent7361 it in P4 ultimax when u play as Junpei
@@leesooyeon5986 Yeah, he mentions her, and the necklace he wears was confirmed to be a gift she bought him post-The Answer.
All FES stuff are actually in the game, dorm recordings, Koromaru walks, and this event right here.
Answer dlc is also coming according to datamines of the game files, So it’s basically Persona 3 Reload FES.
I don’t mind though since all of it is in the main timeline story and direct canonical spin-off being Arena indeed referenced them.
@@joshgauve9044Arena and Ultimax were not spinoffs they were sequels
Let's not forget that Death in the Arcana also signifies a great change, and the Death of what once was through replacement of what is or what will be.
Chidori as she knew herself, as junpei knew her, and as the rest of the cast knew her (all different sides) is Gone. Nothing but a memory.
And it's up to her (and junpei) to be bogged down by that, or continue on the path of the arcana, and roll with it.
Bruh, for those who complain; if you want Chidori to stay dead just because it's against the message of theme or it lessens the impact or whatever bs reason you think, then don't interact with Junpei, don't trigger the event. It's easy, you have a choice. Game just gives you options, that's all.
It is Canon though that this is true route of Junpei and Chidori so don't be too annoyed at people having legitimate concerns about the theming.
@@BigSmiggles is that she lives
Arena cofirms
@@ravenclaw1565 Not really. It wouldn't be very healthy for Junpei tp let of her but it is possible
lol u think id do junpei like that😂😂😂
Nah, it's locked in main story. This is new change in Reload cmiiw
The music makes this so much more beautiful.
I knew she survived in FES but I’m not gonna spoil myself to these cutscenes. Someone tell me if the conditions to keeping her alive are similar
I believe they're the same, yes. Though I'm not sure if there's something in game to sort of be like "hey, you should take this step" this time.
I have mixed feelings about the fact that she survived. It seems to contradict the impact of her death in the original story. Personally, I would have preferred if they had followed a similar approach to the p3p, where her death was final and there was no possibility of resurrection.
@@borreloadsavagedragon What? She can be revived there too.
@@borreloadsavagedragonshe's always able to be saved
@@borreloadsavagedragonI thought it was a bit weird at first before I took a look at this scene in the manga. After that, I was on board for this
I'm still glad they kept this scene
Anyone else save over 11/7 and had no way of saving her until it was too late 😭
Right here,I was so mad when I realized I couldn't rewind back far enough to save her
I'm not surprised they kept this Atlus have made it apparent she lives beyond Persona 3 in the Arena games from Junpeis dialogue.
Man, Chidori is the baddest bitch. Even when Junpei tried to say something deep, immediately got shot down by her 2:27
She still has attitude😅
Chidori: I have to find Junpei someday :)
Mitsuru: what will you do after that?
Chidori: Thats none of your business -__-
Mitsuru got burned so casually 😂😂
I feel like lots of people in the comment would want to see their relatives die for the sake of "character development"
🔫 Sorry grandma, but I want to get stronger and become more mature.
For the people complaining about the theme being death and Chidori living being a canon event, you all only understood HALF OF THE MESSAGE AND THEME! Its Memento mori. Memento vita. Which means, remember you will die and remember you will live. Ergo, the theme is LIFE AND DEATH. Not only death. I thought this theme was clear all those years ago when Persona 3 originally came out and here we are (sorry to any Kirby fans that got flashbacks from those previous four words), all these years later those of us who know gotta remind folks of this.
exactly, people in persona 3 are wishing for death because they are losing hope, facing various personal difficulties, but the protagonist, with his willingness to listen and help is giving them another perspective, that everything can change, nothing is permanent, just like lives that will reaching it's end, so is difficulties, they will ended also, . death is the end of live, but difficulties ended when we accept and make peace with it, in other words face it and solved it, hence why i think, the protagonist shielding the door, preventing everyone for reaching out to death as salvation to their problem, and wishing them to live happily. .
Seriously the biggest evidence of the game’s theme involving both life and death is the evolution of the personas themselves. The evolved personas the SEES members get are literally made by their determination to continue living despite all the pain life has.
@@cometcartoons8528 Also Fuuka’s personal arc unlike other party memeber revolves around separation; the idea that bonds persist even when the other half is far away and it has nothing to do with death. The support capabilities of Lucia and Juno's and symbolism are associated with life and protection, She feel someone's presence with sign of life.
bro. this scene made me tear up. this shit was BEAUTIFUL
And here i thought they skipped the scene-- i need to paly this game but but still i been wanting to see this!!!
Considering her revival was confirmed in Ultimax, this canon event stood no chance of being skipped in Reload
This scene still makes me cry in all versions of Persona 3 😭😭😭😭
Still makes me cries.
Also the next person who said P3 Answer confirmed Chidori died;
It's mistranslation.
In JP version, Junpei said "aitsu"/"that person" when discussing about Makoto's sacrifice. EN somehow picked it up as Chidori despite the implication is clear that Junpei meant Makoto. This is why the game seems to conflict whether she's dead or not; Chidori has always been intended to be alive, and P4Arena bluntly gives you the hint with Junpei's new necklace (which he clearly never seen with before) and his proposal to Chidori in dream (which would conflict a lot with Answer'ss general theme of moving on from past if Chidori was really dead).
People are completely missing the point of why this is still a narratively positive moment. Yes, death is a main aspect of the story. But the major aspect is that the future is uncertain, and how you should seize every moment. Chidori being revived and being abundantly clear she wants to live so she can remember Junpei is not in conflict with the theme. If you don't get those flowers and push Junpei to seize the chance, she stays dead. Those flowers on that one day are the dealbreaker, and if Junpei remains hesitant she doesn't return.
It's a great scene.
man i fucked up 😭i forgot to hang out with junpei
Dude same! I thought she was gone forever. I didn't know she could be saved! Man now I gotta replay the whole game
There is! All those who don't like it Suck it up!
This is canon baby!
People who think Persona 3 is only about death shouldn't call themselves Persona 3 fans because they clearly didn't get the message.
Death is inevitable, yes, but that should not make us lose hope, miracles exist and sometimes they happen, those only occasions, when things that seem impossible occur.
If this was in the original it would've been fine, but it feels cheap in FES since Atlus basically just walked back on a decision they made. Still, Chidori living doesn't really add much or take away that much. it's just whatever.
Waiting for the miracle of bringing minato arisato back to life
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax solidified this being canon. Anyone arguing about this not being canon at this point needs to pay close attention regarding the necklace Junpei wore in Ultimax and who he said bought him that.
I mean, sealing NYX is already a miracle itself.
Honestly I wanna tack onto the comment to bring up that The Answer also explores that whole not all about death thing too
I've lost count of how many times this franchise has made me cry already.
This actually broke me. Junpei has some god tier character development. And seeing he's supposed to be the funny best bro character makes this hit even harder. Junpei crying tears of happiness and then hearing the girls crying because they're actually happy for him was so emotional. They did Junpei so dirty by making Chidori forget him, but I guess that's what makes the emotions in this scene so powerful.
This is a miracle! Looks like true love brought her back to life!
I like how P3R especially went out of it's way to explain Chidori's revival and people are still too dumb to understand what happened. Chidori can infuse other lifeforms with her power to restore them to life. She does this with Junpei, but it costs all of her life force.
However, prior when Chidori doesn't want to see Junpei, you have the option of encouraging him to see her anyway and when you do he gives her flowers. She ignores him but very clearly keeps the flowers because you can literally see them in the vase beside her hospital bed.
In P3R they even make you buy the flowers for Junpei.
In an earlier scene she takes care of the flowers by her bedside by using her power. So since the flowers Junpei gave her a month ago are still clearly okay, it's very obvious she took care of the flowers with her power. The leftover life force in those flowers is why she was able to revive. It's also why she will die if Junpei doesn't give her flowers. Do y'all need Speedwagon narration to understand this?
She lost her Persona because it merged with Junpei's and without her Persona she lost all her memories of the Dark Hour.
Dawg this scenes sm better here it’s unreal, Junpeis crying actually broke me
I love Chidori's voice in this game. Am I the only one?
Great!! Now I can cry happy tears again... In High Definition
I couldn't even begin to explain how much I stan for my man Junpei, and I'm so glad Chidori gets to live.
I guess I never did this in the OG game because I had no idea you could save her, what a pleasant surprise.
Crap! I didn’t even try since I thought this was cut.
Wait people want Chidori dead to feed their fetish of obsessing over game's "theme", man I guess Apathy Syndrome can indeed be dangerous huh?
That's the irony. They missed the message.
Atlus trying not to have amnesia in the plot challenge: Impossible
😂
I only just had a miracle like this myself not too long ago...! I had a friend who I graduated with back in 2020, and ever since, I tried to find a way to get in contact with him, but no matter how hard I tried, I never got anywhere... and when time passed on, I became so scared that I cried a lot... I was becoming super scared that he might've died or gave up, which I didn't want that ever to happen... and not only that, but I was completely alone where I lived, and I had no friends where I lived at all... it made me so depressed and scared that I may never be able to find anyone else that was like him. However, as of now...
I finally found him again. He was very grateful for me and said he would love to be friends with me, and he really did mean it too. He even said he really loved how I did my digital artworks too, and he did say he wanted to break out of his art block, which I know I have the same issue. And as we talked, I couldn't keep my tears in at all. I finally found my friend I cared about very much, and it felt like I was finally blessed with a miracle...! Even now, I'm still crying with happiness, but today is 9/4. Today has literally become the best day of my entire life ever. 🥲
I fucked up my run i gave Junpei the flowers the night before the kyoto trip and she still died.
Looking at the comments, I guess many people would choose bad ending instead.
Since you know, all SEES members technically refuse to accept their death, and somehow miracle happened. Just like this.
the protagonist still die tho
@@javierf6162 but not everyone, as it's supposed to be.
I've seen some negative takes on this death. However one way I like to look at it is she represents the concept of life after death, which persona 3 explores in a few social links. Like some characters (Gourmet King) believe in an after life, some (Aki) belive the dead watch over them like ghosts. This view being the view of resurrection after death. Which some religions teach off. It could also be symbolic of the flowers Junpei gives her. Flowers wilt and die only to blossom again after a period of time. Chidori is like that, and honestly I like it and the many different views on death and after life that comes in this game. It would be a little repetitive if every death was the same.
Her last name Yoshino also means lucky wild life/ fields so there's some parallels there as well.
2:13 Having first played Persona 5 Royal, I can't help but compare this scene to the Maruki and Rumi flashback and notice that Junpei was almost about to make the same mistake Maruki did in thinking it would be better that she forget what happened. It's a neat little parallel that reinforces both games' themes at once in a small way.
And they're both Magicians (Counsellor is an alternate form of Magician), deepening the parallel.
@@SentaiYamaneko Huh; that is a neat little detail. It's probably not intentional, but it's interesting.
@@matthewmuir8884 One other trend I've noticed is that all Magicians are 'unlucky in love'.
@@SentaiYamaneko I see. Incidentally, as much as I liked the ending of Persona 5 Royal, I would've liked if it mentioned something about Rumi. The whole point was Maruki needing to learn to overcome reality by facing it instead of running from it, with the main thing that he was running from being what happened to Rumi, yet the ending mentions nothing about Rumi, even though the loss of Mementos and Personae raises the question of if Rumi's cognition is still altered or if she now remembers what really happened. If it had Maruki mention that he was going to talk to Rumi and make things right, that would've been enough.
In Chidori's case, literally nothing would be better if she regained her memories. Her suffering was due to her own unfortunate experiences and didn't involve other people in her life, and since she's free of her potential which was the source of her problems, none of it matters anymore. It would only benefit Junpei if she remembered.
i missed the last hang out by a single day lmao, cant believe i missed such a good scene
Okay how the hell is Chidori can be saved but not Shinji? Well fair enough considering Shinji died so that Akihiko persona can be turned to Caesar
Shinji would’ve died anyway because those suppressants were killing him. His fate was sealed regardless
@@savandquit7897 Pretty much.
Sure he can be saved in FeMC’s route but she basically delayed his death.
Yeah He definitely helped Ken and Akihiko character development
Shinji's death is a canon event
Shinji was gonna Die anyways Because of the Drugs he was Taking.....
Shinji just decided to Die Early.......
I never got this cutscene in the original game. I just thougt she stayed dead and it was her memory that pushed Junpei on.
It took 18 years, but at least Junpei's happy.
I just notice this the reason cidori forgot junpei and other because she lost her persona, just like everyone after we defeated nyx, they lost their persona and the dark hour gone, i have been playing persona 3 for very long time, i just realize it now.
They didnt lose their Persona abilities, alteast not the main gang
Bet she would remember everything at one point just like SEES during graduation
I NEED to get this in my next play through
I have not gotten around to playing Persona 3 yet and I barely know anything about Junpei and Chidori's relationship, but I love it.
I honestly dont mind this at all
The game is already riddled with enough death as is.
Plus the game doesn't just center around Death it also centers about life and living that life to the fullest.
Nothing wrong with letting Junpei get a happy ending here.
I don't mind Chidori living either, but reading nu-fans cope about her revival being thematically consistent with ignorant logic is triggering. There's no shame in saying that you're just happy for Junpei instead of typing paragraphs lmao.
Does Junpei's Theurgy animation change or at least what he says during the attack if Chidori is alive?
all of this while the intro song of the old version plays, goddang ittt
Jumpei deserved to win
This scene is so beautiful and so sweet. I’m so glad Chidori is alive. Too bad the MC couldn’t live together with everyone in the end. It’s not right 😭😭😭😭
And then Miguel o'Hara shoots her with a gun.
This is so beautiful! I wish I had known about this so I could save her!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I saved her without knowing i could save her
Okay I know all the "memento mori isn't the full phrase" people have something to say but like I really do think this cheapens that scene and Junpei's development. Memento vivire can be applied to Junpei, to live on because Chidori gave up her life for him. This is seen in his theurgy too like come on. You're telling me a little bit of life force brought back a full person who was already dying before anyway due to the supplement stuff? Shinji and Ken arc mirrors the junpei chidori arc except one's about vengeance and ones about fear. Shinji dies but Chidori gets to live? Bruh.
@@avelvett okay?? I don’t understand what this reply is lol I just stated my opinion. Also I heard p4 arena is pretty vague about it and it was some sort of dream, not to mention you couldn’t save chidori in the og. AND p3p femc route isnt really canon. I’ve only played reload but this is the info i got after some research, might be off but her fate seems ambiguous at best.
@@avelvett sorry but you can’t save her in the original p3…look it up you can only save her in revised editions such as a FES p3p or reload, but not the 2006 release (as said in the wiki and other forums). And with the Arena thing, supposedly he dreamt about marrying her or something but she never gets seen again so imo that is kinda vague. I’m not mad about not being able to save Shinji, I just think reviving her because of some flowers is kind of a cop out and doesn’t have the same impact, that’s all.
@@avelvett I think you make a great point in the last part, saving the world to secure their future together is a compelling reason. I guess to me that scene where Chidori gives her life force as a sacrifice hits hard, and to bring her back due to some flowers just…removes that emotion. I don’t want Junpei to be sad forever, but sometimes you really do lose the people closest to you randomly and miracles are rare.
Ik its kinda dumb to expect realism in a game with magic and gods and demons from every mythology ever, but every death and it’s aftermath had been pretty realistic imo. Even the miracle that MC pulled off at the end came at the cost of his life, just like the miracle of saving Junpei cost Chidori’s.
From what Ive played and in my pov, Junpei was insecure and aimless in the sense that he felt lost about his future, and was only confident in his fighting skills. Chidori dying gave him new fuel, and his theurgy attack shows that he will always keep her in his thoughts but he still grieves. It just doesn’t make that much sense to me if she were alive. Why would he be kinda sad there at the end? Unless his theurgy changes which maybe i just didnt see.
It not being in the original 2006 version and being added on later feels like it was added on for fans, and the flower thing just seems lazy. Again, its just my opinion and I can definitely see what u are talking about it just doesn’t give the same emotional fuel imo.
I didn’t realise you could save her.
At the end of the day
Its freaking game characters.
You aint bad guy if you want her death or life
Sounds like a cop out reasoning.
THEY KEPT IT. THEY FUCKING KEPT IT HELL YEAH!!!
....i knew NOTHING about this....im mad I beat Reload without ANY knowledge of this moment ....im mad happy for Junpei and Chidori.
I'm so upset I didn't know that this existed and I missed the deadline to get the prerequisites
Persona Fans when Memento Mori has Memento Vita: 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Yo I cried so hard here. 😭
Idc what atlus says this is canon. This canonically happened. I can’t let junpei be sad for his entire life.
Arena technically confirmed it canon
so are u telling me that i played persona 3 reload two times AND NOW I LEARN THAT YOU CAN REVIVE CHIDORI??????????? time for a third playthrough baby
People be like, she shouldve not lived because it removes the whole message of the game lol. Quit looking on the same side of the coin, start looking on the other side
I think they're just a bunch of hypocrites too, since Junpei was the first to die and he was REVIVED! So why can't Chidori be given that chance too?
I'm telling you right now, everybody, including those people who keep complaining about Chidori's revival, would've riot had he just stayed dead then and there.
Listen... Miracles are rare but they DO happen, even in real life.
Heck! Even the sacrifice that the P3MC gave at the end of the game WAS a miracle. Because before him, the world was literally doomed, no questions asked.
Ryoji said it himself; In almost every scenario, there was no capacity for the world to have survived the Fall and yet it did.
This event is also optional, so everybody just needs to take a chill pill.
@@bananabunch4590 "I think they're just a bunch of hypocrites too, since Junpei was the first to die and he was REVIVED! So why can't Chidori be given that chance too?" They traded lives in the original. It's not the same. Comparing the miracle that the MC pulled off as a result of being the protagonist to a revival of an originally dead character is a false equivalent. The game can't just end with "everyone dies" as the true ending. There's still a story to be made, you know? Stop trying to justify your childish desire for happy endings.
Dammit I missed this.
if i have a nickel everytime jrpg fan complaining about character who should have been dead because it better, i would have 2 this year atleast
I mean ... I get the theme of the game, but fuck it. Let Junpei have his happy ending. At least they sort of explained why she somehow became alive again.
HIS NAME IS MAKOTO YUKI
What sucks is that I'm already way past the point where I could have gotten the flowers; I'm on 12/1. Granted, I might have an older save... but I'd have to recall exactly what choices I made in my schedule. And that includes having had a few lucky skill changes during fusion.
Still... maybe I should give it a shot anyway.
How could she lives but Shinji stays dead
Sad that their romance wasnt expanded in a form of a character episode
I am so happy that this is one thing that carried over from Persona 3 Portable
This is from FES.
Anyone know the name of the BGM they used in this cutscene? Seems to be a unique version of Memories of You combined with Living With Determination. Every OST compilation seems to be missing this song.
I didn’t find out this was an option till after I beat the game, and personally I prefer Chidori dying. But if you like her being alive that’s valid.
I see a lot of people saying that her living is about Momento Vivre, but I personally think her dying actually strengths the theme of living.
Memento Vivre means ‘remember to live’, and I think that applies to Junpei himself, he must learn to continue to live his life in spite of the tremendous grief of loving the one he loved, so he must not squander the life he gave her, and I think keeping her alive cheapens it, Atleast for me. Again if you believe otherwise that’s totally valid but I just wanted to share my perspective and how I think her death still fits with the theme of living and not just death
Bro I didn’t know you could save Chidori I was too focused on slinks and I’m a bit too far to rewind…. Gotta do another play through then ☹️
I mean Im glad we have a better answer to Chidori being alive for P4AU.
this is the part with the car
Mannn i hate this event so much 😭. I mean, it’s a good event but if it weren’t for this event, i would’ve maxed out all my social link 😭.
i wonder will chidori ever remember junpei again
after we figth nyx, in some months they(sees) remember each other. Só i believe chidori can remember someday too. If she was able to back to life, remember the person she loves is not a big deal.
@@RykeDiamond SEES still has their Personas, Chidori does not.
I'm so sad I didn't get this. I can't imagine how junpei feels
Oh thank god she’s alive. Can’t have the protagonist to be the only one who doesn’t die a virgin.
Yes if somehow y’all don’t know. The protagonist in the original story. Sleeps with almost all the girls.
Based?
Canonically he DID bang Elizabeth and Chihiro (was that her name? I forgot). Persona 4 confirms both funny enough.
Can you reupload with the school part as well?
So does the one scene still play out where junpei gets shot and chidori restores him or is it completely different?
You can thank Fes for this. Without Fes,you wouldn't have the Good Ending for Junpei.
This people in the comments really have media literacy
When an JRPG gives you choices on multiple events like it should because it’s a ROLE PLAYING GAME 😱😱😱 like please stfu and enjoy the fact you can even save her. I get it, it “ruins” the integrity of the themes and shi but come on now. Most people won’t even get this version of events until the second playthrough. Relax.
Huh. I thought this got cut for a sec.
Junpei Yoshino = JJK
No.
What the f is this? I beat the game and ignored all Junpei's events.
Can you do Vs Elizabeth please
Wait, doesn't this mean if junpei dies, she will die too?, like personas fusioned and all.
Damn....she died in my playthrough.
same
So they didn't remove this scene, huh? Considering that it was orginally a FES scene, not present in the original game.
The lack of FES content was highly exagerated, the only thing from FES that Reload lacks is The Answer (which it apparently is getting at some point anyway as DLC)
It's the same as P3P in this regard (which also has all of the FES content except for The Answer)