The CANON IPF PRO 1000 The Truth is hard to accept sometimes!
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- The CANON IPF PRO 1000 The Truth is hard to accept sometimes!
As much as I absolutely LOVE the CANON IPF PRO-1000 I KNOW that it takes a certain degree of commitment and I want ALL of you to realize this so you are not sorry later!
So Here it goes!
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I guess I shouldn't have watched this in front of my wife.
Always keep wife out of the Office, unless she knocks first, always.
@@paulscottfilms and tell your kids that mommy can't sell your things in the price daddy told her they were bought!
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Thank you for your knowledge and advice. You gave me a better understanding of my Pro 1000. You are a rock star.
Thank you.
I just saw this, I have a Canon Pixma8720 and I print 8-10 prints a day, sometimes more at 12 x 16 to 13 x 19 and I watch my cartridges manually. I've been printing now for three years and I absolutely love it, I also digitally restore prints on file so I am always printing examples. Keep printing because Canon's are sensitive to sitting still and you only waste ink when you don't use them!!! Great video Jose, I enjoy your insight, thank you!
I am following your advice and print at least one A4 print on my Pro1000 every day. Sometimes many more. Ink usage is not that bad. Chroma optimiser is the most used ink. Personally, I like this printer, as it has been very reliable so far. And the quality of the prints is very good.
How are you liking your pro1000 today? Do you still use it?
@@Lh02208 Still like it. Printing every day at least on A4. Some days I print mainly A2. So far it is very reliable. I am using Canon ink. Ink usage is ok if you print regularly.
Do you do like a colour testprint or a real photo a day on a4?@@renestaempfli1071
Thanks so much José, for such an informative video. But at one point, late in the video, you pass very quickly over the difference between the Pro 1000 and the Pro-10, the Pro-100, and the Pro-1 - that is in terms of design where cleaning and ink waste are concerned. Do you mean that those other Pros are inherently less wasteful than the 1000 because they use a different sort of ink/toner or because they have a different sort of cleaning system? I've been using the Pro-1 for several years and have been very happy with it, but I just got the dreaded B200 message - it needs service. So I don't know if I should have it fixed, or junk it and buy a new one (maybe there have been improvements over the years - ?), or buy a different printer. For a year or two I've only printed 1 A3plus per month; before that maybe one per week. I have to recalculate my recent ink usage over time. Anyhow, thanks again for the great video!
You also cant print in RGB and with TIFF and PSD for better prints outsourcing,. They want a JPEG when you outsource. So you should also consider the fact that you are printing higher quality prints just based on that. I would charge more like $100 for one print.
Never turn this printer off, this will help enormously. It does some automatic cleaning every time your turn it on, no possibility to uncheck that option. So standby and print enough.
Jose, I appreciate your videos. Been watching them for years. I finally bit the printer (bullet) and purchased the Canon Pro 1000 yesterday and an extra set of inks. I'm starting a new project with another photographer so we needed a printer at our convenience rather than sending out files to be printed as has been part of my normal workflow. I fully understand the commitment. We will see! Be well and stay healthy!
Thanks Matt! Enjoy that GIRL!
@@cheo1949 My Canon Pro 1000 arrived a few days ago. Wow! It is heavy! Have printed little 8x10 still life images to get a feel of it but today was the first day I printed a 17x22 (actually 10x15 on 17x22 paper) print for an upcoming exhibition (I won't use this particularly print; was just giving it a workout). I'm using a BenQ SW271 as my main calibrated monitor; monitor to print is consistent. Ink handled nicely. And the paper is the standard 17x22 glossy that came with. So looking forward to using some better quality paper.
Hi Jose, I currently own a Canon Pro 10s, which is a beautiful printer and I'm delighted with my results. But as you are aware the potential for Panoramas is extremely limited. Is there a printer that would spring to mind that would produce great panos, bearing in mind this is just a hobby for me, so those Huge large format printers are both impractical and insanely expensive for me!
I watched Behind the Shot Steve Brazill who is such an enthusiast when he does his show. He got so excited about this printer and it rubbed off. So been watching all the videos I can. I understand the pro1000 as a cost per print section in the printer that is shown on the lcd.
What I want it for is photos and printing building drawings. I have a pro9500 not even m2 which has served me well. No need to print every 48 hours or so. This is a couple of a grand NZdollars
so a hefty price. But I can claim on the business
Cheers
you are the reason why I bought this printer.
Have to say, I paid only 350 for new one, it was more easy for me then for someone else)
Hey Jose,
Really appreciate all of your content in relation to the Pro 1000, It's saved me so much time and effort. Can't thank you enough.
I just have a few questions around average ink usage per print? I seem to be getting much lower numbers then what you seem to be getting in this video. I've printed a few images now at 17"x22" and according to both the printer (through the LCD) and the Canon Accounting Manager, I'm averaging around 2.3ml Ink consumed. Granted I shoot 6x7 medium format, so the ratios are pretty different (with about a 1.5" border on either side of the image and a half-inch border at the top and bottoms of the image) These numbers just seem too good to be true?
Do these numbers seem to low to you? Have you heard of any other cases where the pro-1000 has under-reported how much ink it's used?
Appreciate your time!
Cheers from Australia.
Fantastically informative video, thanks so much. I was entertaining the thought of getting this printer for maybe 20 or 30 prints a year (for hobby). Might not be best option for me. Thanks for covering the practical info other reviewers didn't 👍
try a epsom they are cheaper to run
As someone trying to chose my first photo printer, I was considering the pro 1000 vs the pro 300 or new pro 200. In my market prices are 1100€ , 799€ and 499€ respectively, just considering the extra ink the pro 1000 seems like a way better deal, and I got to admit A2 is attractive. Before seeing this video it was a done deal but who am I trying to fool I will never print that much so I will take this advice and go with the new pro 200 dye.
I bought this printer because I couldn't believe that it was wasting so much ink even with careful use. My experience is that over the course of just 3 months, the Pro-1000 has filled the second maintenance tank with 250ml of valuable ink used just for cleaning. During this time I have printed regularly, but only about 180ml has been used in about 200 prints (mostly A3). Conclusion: This printer is a huge scam in terms of ink consumption!
Hello Jose. Yes, this is a common theme that has been discussed many times before. If someone is a hobbyist, and they are concerned about the printing costs, they should be using an inexpensive service, rather than purchasing a professional-grade printer. The Cannon Pro-1000, 2000, etc. are great printers, but they are expensive to run. For a hobbyist, the only reasons to own one of these printers are the quality of the prints and the complete control of the process. Professional-grade printers are a bit of a money-pit, but if you are looking for results, in my opinion they are well worth the investment.
It seems that not too many people are listening then. Because in a few days I will be once again be hearing someone bit**ing about the amount of waste generated by these printers. I'll be reminding everyone once again in about 6 months.
Thank you for this, I was on the verge of purchasing this model (not much use etc)
Now I know why the price was pretty reasonable.
Will hold out for a 100s or 200….you saved me so much money 👋👍
So my pro100 sat idol for 10 months. i weighed the mainthenance tank befor turning the printer on 413g. I hit the power button, it did its thing. after its cycle and ready to print, the cartridge weighs 472g.
almost full.
This was a good video for me. ...... Now I understand why my Canon 100 is messing up a little. I have not used it for about a year and I thought this was the case. .... but it was nice to hear it from you. ..... Thank you.
Thank you for this input Jose! Not sugar-coating it is exactly what I needed to hear!
The problem is the way the PRO-1000 is marketed. IMO it is not a consumer or even a "pro"-sumer printer. It is after all a baby large format printer (minus the stand and roll paper option). It even uses the same printhead as it's larger family members like the iPF2000/4000/6000 and all of these drink copious amounts of ink if you don't use them on a regular basis. Most people that own a PRO-1000 don't even use it for A2 printing and certainly do not meet the minimum print requirement this printer demands as Jose has rightly stated. The better option for most consumers would be the iPF PRO-300 which has the same head management system as the PRO-1000 and also uses pigment inks.
Another big issue is the PF-10 printhead is a very expensive part to replace and it will die very quickly if you use sub-par 3rd party inks. Replacing a PF-10 printhead can cost almost as much as the printer itself depending on where you live.
Jose, thank you for taking your time and explaining this all so thoroughly! Made my decision-making lot easier :) ! Love your channel, very professional and helpful!
Thanks you!
Thanks for making this for people. I am more than willing to own this as I ordered one today to go along with my darkroom analog prints.
Glad it was helpful!
k. Here's the update. My lightly used Canon Pro-1000 is showing an
error 7400. Waited over an hour to speak to someone in service. He
told me that there are no longer ANY authorized repair centers for this
printer. He advised putting in the trash and getting a new one. Canon
has an upgrade program for this abandoned technology and will give me a
discount. Another half hour wait to speak to someone in sales. Then I
find out the only option is a 10% discount on a new one. There is no
recycling program, even though Canon claims there is. Run as far from
this product as you can.
Thanks I was going to get this as my surecolour p800 has gone and I can’t be fixed! Guess this is the same now too.....
Thank you for sharing this information. I'm a printing novice, so you are saving me time and frustration. I'm sharing with my friends too :)
It is what it is, enjoy the printer, I know am, and print print print.:-)
Use it or lose it. In this case I mean the inks.
Wow! Thank you! I was thinking of getting my own printer to produce giclee prints of my artwork. But my guess is I would be printing sporatically....a few times a month. I'm now thinking just sending my files to an outside printer.
Hi Jose, Thanks for your really informative video. I am contemplating upgrading to the Pro 1000, from the Pro 10s. A friend complained of the very same issue that you have detailed here! After watching your video, I telephoned a local photo paper supplier called Toby and mentioned about the Pro 1000's and its propensity for consuming MC-20 Maintenance Cartridges. Toby suggested that the printer should be left switched on and that it would go in to a sleep mode, only to occasionally awaken, to agitate the ink cartridges. Toby suggested that the switching off and back on of the unit, would stimulate ink consumption. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Stay safe
Kindly, Does this apply for pro 300? Just another question if I am gonna print every day for personal use shall I buy pro 300 or pro 1000 ?
Jose, Has the growing problem of the Imageprograf being 'written off' due to a known design fault in the cartridge eject mechanism that due to the fact it needs a 'top-down' engineer strip to fix is so uneconomical become known to you?
Have you any experience of this? Do you know of any fix? I am just preparing to dump the printer and forever turn my back on Canon
I have heard that once or twice. But not on the newer IPF large Models that use vertical carts. This does not happen with the pro1000 or the 2000-4000-6000 or the new ones coming out.
Hello Jose, thanks for the reply. I am afraid I must disagree in that this DOES OCCUR with the PRO 1000 as it has happened to me and many others if your check the USA Canon forums. You are correct in that it probably does not happen to pro 2000 and larger printers.
The issue is that the printer must be written off. Mine is 2 years old and I just scrap it! It is very distressing that this issue cannot be fixed and is a Canon Design issue not a User fault or damage.
I am guessing from your reply that this issue was unknown to you?
You are probably right. I do not hang out in those forums much. There is only so much time in the day! I have not experienced that and neither has any of the PRO-1000 owners I am currently in contact with through this channel or my Facebook Group. I have heard of this in older IPF models though.
Thank you, Jose, I always enjoy your videos. I am using a pro 100 now, but am interested in the specifics of the pro 1000 (or even the larger printers) for a future project.
My questions are a bit nerdy perhaps, as I am not interested in the relationship between ink used for cleaning cycles ('waste') compared to prints. This depends entirely on how many prints one does on such printer over time. What I am really interested in is, what is the 'ideal' ratio between prints and cleaning cycles when using the printer regularly?
For example - how many prints between cleaning cycles is optimal in order not to trigger any extra nozzle cleaning action?
I understand from your video that printing 30 large format prints one day, and then no prints for several cleaning cycles will 'waste' more ink than using it for equal amounts of prints every day or two. Is it then possible to calculate the 'wasted' ink on average for each regular cleaning cycle with ideally x number of large prints? This would then give us the cost of 'doing business with this printer'. We then have the operating costs, together with amortization of printer, AND, how many prints we should be producing per year in an optimal setting.
We then also would know what the cost of keeping the printer in top shape would be, even if we don't print at all, and just keep the nozzle checks and the cleaning cycles going.
I am not using third party inks, and am not planning on doing so in the future, therefore these are kind of essential questions for me. [I have the pro 100 pretty much figured out regarding ink usage, but would love to know more about the pigment type printers like the pro 1000.]
Way too many questions to address here. If you have time tonight at 4pm Eastern time USA I hold my live stream on you tube. I will cover all this then.
I wished they had something like you said just for the cleaning cycle, a separate set of cartridges for say like once a week instead of using ink especially if you have to use OEM to sell prints to clients.
There is a maintenance cartridge you use for it. This has all been calculated at what it costs per print with this printer by a third party. When you purchase this printer it will also show almost empty on ink when you first load the ink. Which is also normal but also regularly complained about.
@@joshuadelawrence7291 Where can you buy the maintenance cartridges?
Hi Jose, I’m enjoying watching your videos and learning about the 2 main printers I’m interested in. With regards to your recommendation of printing every day, that could end up costing up to $50 per week if you include ink. Is it possible to print on cheap non photo paper to save money in order of keeping the canon running smoothly and not clogging up? Thanks!
Plus, I wonder if the print resolution of 2400x1200ppi is discernibly different from the 4800x2400 that I get with the Pro-1. I find it odd that the bigger machine has a lower resolution - after all, it's not a plotter printer to make giant banners meant to fill up a room and be seen from yards away.
Nice Presentation Mr Jose. what about print an 1 A4 photo every day does the problem remains???
Hey!
My canon pro 1000 slept for 2 years in a box after moving.
When I started it again, a error 7400 appeared. Canon told me to buy a new one, cheaper than a reparation plus transport.
I was sad.
And one day, with no particular reason, it started working again for a few weeks.
But now the code error 7400 came back like that. I don’t know why, and don’t know what to do.
Did this happen to anyone?
What should I do?
Thanks, blessing
As you say Jose. The truth is hard (and pocket painful) to accept sometimes. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! :-)
So, Buy these Printers if you use DAILY, may u r into printing business then ts good. As a Hobbyst, ITS GONNA cost a lot compare to LAB PRINTS.
Jose and The gospel of daily printing :-)
The sales of printers would plummet if aspiring at-home photo printers would actually listen to him. If you don't print daily, find a good, cooperative, and friendly print shop and leave the task for them. You will ALWAYS save money. And - more often than not, you will also get better prints. That is unless you also own a color-calibration tool to actually keep your printer performing to its full potential.
Actually, if you own a Pro 1000 it COMES WITH LINEARIZATION. Any new printhead is measured to make sure that if you put 10 machines side by side, you get the same result every time. If there any argument, you want to make that makes SENSE for this printer?
Avoid Canon like the plague. I have the Pro-1000. Very light use. Borderless printing is a confusing hassle. Gulps ink. Now an error 7400. Can't get through to Canon. Spent hours listening to music on the service number and never got through to a human. The thing weighs 70 pounds and I have no idea what to do with it. By the way, if I ever do move it the instructions are to have multiple maintenance cartridges standing by to dump the ink. That's hundreds of dollars just to take it in, let alone having two people to lift it. But as of now, I still haven't been able to even talk to anyone at Canon.
So good. Thanks for this. I've been looking at purchasing a Canon imagePROGRAF Pro-2100 24" and was wondering about what I've heard about ink use. This tells me everything I need to know. Ya just gotta use it.
Jose, I am getting a 140B error message on my Pro 1000 - do you think I just need to buy a new head? Or is there something I can try to get it back up and running?
Have you googled that error? If it is print head related it is NOT cheap and unless the fix of turning off the printer and pully the plug and trying again does not solve it then you might what to look into a new printer. There are no assurances that a new Print Head will solve it unless it is indeed a bad printhead and not something else..
Very very close to buying one of these, and I'm so grateful for your wisdom and experience. I see it as an opportunity to create more prints of my photos. It's so easy for stuff to get packed away in digital archives never to see the light of day. I see this as a fantastic opportunity to start consistently putting more and more of my pictures and artwork on the page. So it can be a curse, but it can also be a huge blessing. 💪🏻
It is indeed a CURSE and a BLESSING! If you do, make sure you use it VERY often or your ink to paper / ink to waste cycles will be VERY skewed toward waste.
can you budget for the waste in your pricing calulations?
With the 2ml ink per "letter" format as ballpark, and a European A4 being marginally larger in area, the ink cost per A4 would be in the €1.25 ballpark at going continental European original Canon ink prices including sales tax. That's about €20 per square meter of print or €2.50 per A3 and €5 per A2.
The A-paper-size series has a 1:SQRT(2) (roughly 1:1.41) aspect ratio and each next size has exactly 2 times the area at the same aspect ratio. If you frequently print to A-size paper, then in e.g. Lightroom Classic, in the crop tool, set an aspect ration of 1:1.414 (or, the precision it can handle) and you have your borderless A-series covered
And if ink consumption was limited to that, it was "affordable". Because maintenance and cleaning associated ink consumption can easily quadruple total ink costs over time, there is a hidden cost that makes printing "very expensive".
The experience ballpark figure from our learned friend Jose of 2 ml ink per borderless Letter size print boils down to two droplets per dot in the DPI at the printer's maximum resolution of 2,400*1,200. At 1 droplet per dot in DPI, assuming every drop coordinate receives one droplet, ink costs would be €10.83 per square meter.
The model 1000's smallest droplet is 4 picolitre.
The Canon PFI-1700 cartridges. How do I remove the ink from these to feed a canon Pro 1000 which uses 80 ml ink?
On my epson 3800 with 700 ml carts I was able to open them up and drain the ink from the bag that was inside these mammoth cartridges
Do the Canon 700 ml carts have Bags inside of them too or must I use extraction needles?
Thank you in advance,
Jose,
Watching some of your videos helped me in making my decision to recently purchase the Pro 1000 so thank you. That being said I have a problem that I am wondering whether you may have encountered, I have a few files that I have run across both in Tif and Jpg that will not drag and drop or manually load into the Professional Print and Layout Canon software on Mac. I have been on the phone with Canon Tech Support for the last two days trying to solve the issue and they haven’t been able to yet. Have you ever run across this problem? I am having to use the PPL software because they can also not seem to get the Plug In to work in my Photoshop CS4. If you or anyone has any info to lend on this issue I would sure appreciate it.
You are an amazing teacher!!!
My Epson 3800 actually used more because I needed to unblock the head so often but I cringe at how quickly my waste fills up on this printer. The problem is, the prints are so amazing that I have to stick with it. Canon must be able to fine tune this cleaning process.
Regardless of what you hear...inkjet printers almost require daily printing. Don't use it often enough and they clog. SHOCKER!!!
@@cheo1949 All I meant was that the Canon is not any worse than the Epson, in fact I definitely went through more wasted ink on the Epson.
@Robert Bill Absolutely true about the 3880 printer easy to maintain and very efficient with ink in the right hands and still produce fantastic prints for sale.
Thank you José, you just saved me from à lot of frustration and regrets. Thanks
Jose, Thank you very much for the valuable tips! After watching the video, I'm no longer sure if it was a mistake for me to order the Pro-1000 - I don't have the printer yet, it's still on the way. I could theoretically even still cancel the order. I'm seriously considering it, because I read that Canon had actually planned a successor for the Pro-1000 in 2020, but because of Corona the development was delayed.
Have you perhaps heard of a successor? And if so, what do you suppose the successor might be available for purchase?
With best regards Constantin
Thank you so much.
Can you let me know what weights you have had for your waste cartridges?
320 285 grams.
The Pro1000 costs me 60 USD each month, no mather how much or how little I use it. It's worth every cent.
Jose, does the same rule apply to Pro-300 to print daily?
Rule 1. Expect your printer to use more ink than you would like it to. Rule 2. Use it regularly. Rule 3. If you can't afford the cost have your prints made at the local store and save yourself the trouble.
Hey,
I will be printing on paper, not below 200 g/m2.
Highest will be 350 g/m2 at the moment.
This will be Fine art and Museum type paper.
100% cotton type paper, Satin, Glossy, Matt
Would you recommend the rear tray for this or is top tray ok for 350 g/m2?
Printer: Canon Pro 1000
looks like I am not getting this printer..LOL amazing there is not way to pause printing without a flush, Seems like the solution must be a whole new way to transfer ink. Not liquid through tubes but something else. Laser on micro tape of color. a better dye sublimation. ask Chat gpt what to do Canon.
Thank you very much, Jose for your honest assessment. One question: when you say "...use it daily..." what size of print do you mean? Or does the size of the print not matter?
I does not matter. The hard truth about these printer is that they are meant to print photos as OFTEN as possible. They will not be economical to run is you do not as you will waste more ink doing cleanings rather than putting ink on paper.
@@cheo1949 Thank you!
There's a fundamental issue here that can't be resolved by us, it has to be resolved by Canon. Don't print regularly and the jets will clog then ink is burned for it to clean. Print frequently and the residue buildup necessitates the printer burning ink to clear the residue. This is on CANON! They need a system that is efficient and jets that are not so susceptible to buildup not the user trying to do a juggling act to minimize the per print cost.
It's not CANON or any other maker's doing. The printheads ALL makers use other than EPSON are thermal. That is the reason period. They MUST be kept free flowing so they don't overheat during use. The nozzles, not jets have to be a specific diameter to be able to generate small enough droplets and thus small enough dots of image so we are satisfied with the quality. Yet we are surprised the nozzles actually clog. Printers unfortunately for the unaware user need to be used almost daily in order to get the best bang for your buck. If you don't have enough work for it then your ratio of waste ink and ink for photos will always be against the user. Regardless of brand.
A printer becomes a luxury that many realize they can't justify owning and worse...operating.
Thanks a lot for your videos, José. What about doing a printing session, run a cleaning, close the printer and start it again after, say, one month?
Wait so you want to waste ink on video? It's very simple. Wait a month or turn off the printer and the next time you use it will run a big cleaning cycle and them print you image. Sorry but I don't see the point.
@@cheo1949 Excuse me for my poor English, I think I didn't explain myself properly and also can't understand your answer 'wast ink on video'. Let me explain better. I'm an amateur, and I want a pro1000 for printing occasionally. Should I permanently keep the printer on and print whatever every day? Can I print once, run a cleaning cycle and turn off the printer for up to a month or two? Will be clogging? Is it crazy?
Thanks Jose for this video. I'm planning an entry into photo printing and considering this printer. What other advise do you have for someone like me?
When you say 2ml of ink per print. Is that the total all together or 2ml off each cartridge? If it is the latter that is an extreme amount
Yes. Total ink. And that depends on the average density of the image and it applies to 8.5" x 11" edge to edge. It could be less or more.
@@cheo1949 hey! Thank you so much for responding really fast! & thanks for making these videos!
Jose: Since you have many printers you must have a program that runs automatically to print on a timed schedule to insure it doesn't run a 60 hour purge. If so would you let me know where I can get it. Also you refer to OEM inks that you use. Are these the manufacturers OEM inks or the inks from Precision Ink? Thanks for all your bod casts. They are always very informative,
Qimage Ultimate " Unclog Tool " I set it to run a custom purge print at whatever timed schedule I choose. You have to leave QI open and never let your PC go in sleep mode.
LOL! This guy who seems to have the soul of an accountant rather than an artist.
Coincidentally I purchased my pro 1000 on the exact day of your video uploaded, and my printer already broke down, 18days after my purchase and I only printed 61 photos on it. the magenta no longer prints, after serval calls with canon services, they said the most likely problem was the printhead, and they refused to replace my printer, I am escalating to canon and complaining to local consumer consoles, this sucks, I will share back what happened.
Gee that does suck. I hope they can help you out. They should replace it.
Were you able to figure out your issue?
Thanx for clearifaction in detail.
If someone don't get it by now, then there is nothing you can do for them!!
I keep trying. In a few days I'll hear people screaming about the waste yet again.
Jose, sure you said this is not a printer for casual printing , use a printing service instead if this your needs, adding don't buy this printer if you don't print nearly everyday....... but people listen only at what they want to hear.....
Of course they do and if you can afford the printer you have nothing to complain about the cost cooperating this Beast didn't go for it. Otherwise you're not going to be a happy camper when you realize the truths behind these printers.
Thank you! Very useful 🙏 Regards from the Netherlands.
Does this ink issue carry over to the new smaller brothers pro/200 & 300?
Will be interesting to see if the new Epson SC-P900 behaves better for people not willing to print on a daily basis.
Only time will tell. Keep in mind these new printers will likely be totally blocked from the use of 3rd party products.
Reality check...most folk simply do not print enough to justify buying any photo printer. Even the Pro 100 is relatively expensive to run and let's not forget the cost of the paper in all of this too. Fortunately here in the UK we never get these Canon super deals like in the US where it's tempting to buy one of their printers cheaply. The Pro 100 is around £400UK so not exactly a impulse buy with a set of OEM inks around £80 a set. You can double those costs for the Pro 10 and treble them for the Pro 1000 so it's less likely folk will get caught out because when you spend that type of money you generally research it first beforehand. Add the additional costs of screen/printer calibrators and ahigh quality monitor and this " hobby " just got very expensive. Bear in mind that's just your initial set up cost. You have to constantly buy gas for your car after you buy it, with printers it's ink 😋
Unless you do this for money professionally it is not a cheap past time to get into.
And just think.... if Canon wanted to, they could change the Pro-1000 firmware so that not so much ink is wasted. Likely? No... Not as long as they can hold what is essentially a monopoly on ink.
No. Remember those cleaning cycles that may take place during a large printing job are required. You want them to occur. You want that printhead to be flushed out of any residue it is building up during that large print job. The timed ones are required if you leave a pigment ink printer sitting around for more than 60 hours it will require a cleaning cycle to make sure that it is clear. What I say and what I wish would happen is that someday they come up with a system that will not utilize ink but rather some much cheaper and a lot more effective cleaning fluid that will just require a very slight flush to bring ink back into play again. That's what we'll probably never happen. Also keep in mind that Canon printers in any other brand that uses a thermal printhead must be and I repeat must be cleaned otherwise you are very likely to begin to burn out nozzles. They use Heat and heat harms printheads. Ink keeps the printhead cooled. You begin to diminish ink flow to any nozzles and that causes an increase in temperature that begins a chain reaction that will absolutely permanently damage that printhead.
@@cheo1949 Thanks, Jose. I understand this. It becomes a matter of degree, doesn't it. You want adequate cleanings to keep the print head in good shape, but not overkill which wastes ink. Which path do you think the ink seller would choose?
Hi,
thanks so much for your interesting video. I lke photography i want to print a lot of pictures that i have saved during this year like 100 photo. But after that if i turn off the printer and i just activate it when i have 20 or more print to do, can be a nice idea to avoid to waste the ink?
This was a very very useful video. Thank you so much!
Hello! Thanks for your informative video! Does the CANON IPF PRO 1000 printer need to be calibrated first and is the Datacolor print calibrator suitable for this?
Yes it does. You must do the Internal Calibration. From the printer screen. You are talking about Paper Profiling which has nothing to do with the Printer Calibration. All PRO-1000 samples have to be calibrated by YOU the user so the Output is brought to what the Factory Standard are set at. So my PRO-1000 and Yours outputs exactly the same. Otherwise they would not.
Hi, Great video. I have a question: I'm going to get the pro-1000. Now, how many photos do you recommend I print per day?
Minimum one. It's a tricky question. If you mean you are trying to prevent clogs? Then one a day is not needed once a week is enough. BUT the reason to print everyday is to help reduce PRE PRINT Maintenance! The PRO-1000 will do a print head purge IF it deems it needs it to insure you get a perfect result. That uses INK that could be used for a PRINT rather than dumping it in the maintenance cart. It's tricky. The ink will get used one way or another so it makes economic sense to print rather than preemptive cleanings.
@@cheo1949 Great tips... Thank you for answering my question. I plan to print at lease one print a day.
I am someone who would have long breaks between printing. so is there a way to not use the printer for long periods of time with having problems. like cleaning the heads before stopping the use of it. like taking a battery out of a car when storing it ? ( why doesn't Canon have a cleaning solution cartridge that is inexpensive that cleans the printer without using the ink ?
Not really. Printers need to used pretty much constantly at least once a week. There is not much you can do to prevent clogging if you do not use it. Print a weekly nozzle check!
I was contemplating buying a printer but after watching your videos I decided not to. I wouldn’t be printing often so this would not have been the right decision. I will stick to printing in my local lab and save me the frustration of wasting money and not using my equipment properly. 😀
Good decision!
Jose Rodriguez thanks for all the info you are sharing with us. I appreciate knowledgeable people who offer solid advice and don’t work for brands promoting everything as the next best thing.
Listened to your helpful video on Canon Pro 1000 printer. Would you please comment on using compatible inks vs Canon’s Lucia Pro 12 tank ink when new ink is needed. Thanks!
Well....garbage and fabulous. If you are referring to the PRO-1000 the only inks I trust are from Precisioncolors and you have to fill your original carts with them I would not trus ANY compatible cart being sold out there.
I am using an Epson 3880 and I generally print a few times per week. I am going to leave home for a few months and have to leave the printer behind. What would be the best method to keep the printer maintained while I’m gone? I’m thinking that I could setup a VPN and print nozzle checks a few times per week (or more). In general, is that enough printing to keep the printer from clogging up? Another question, in between printing from home, is it best to leave the printer turned on or off?
Once a week is plenty.
Hi Jose, thank you for your great videos. it was always helpful, till my pro1000 decided to stop working with a B209 error. Did you ever experience this? It seems to me that one cartridge slot is broken and the red cartridge is now constantly rejected. Canon hotline don't really help & said the repair cost would be probably insane.. any idea how to fix this without putting the machine in the trash? thank you!
It would not be cheap to repair that latch. Hope you got plenty of use out of it. At this point there is no replacement for it so you might want to look at the P900 or simply get another pro-1000
@@cheo1949 thank you for your answer Jose ;)
Hi Jose - i'm interested in this printer for my design/architecture office to do graphics, renders, marketing material etc. I will be printing every couple of days but these prints will be mostly linework and graphics. Do you think the new Epson p900 might be a better choice given this use case?
EPSON will be a strictly oem ink printer only. The PRO1000 can be refilled and you can buy single use chips for each time you refill.
Hi Jose, i'm not sure if you can help me but I have tried to replace the cartridge but it came up with an error message 1640, which is to replace the cartridge, is there anyway you can hard re-set or remove the error message as I'm unable to get into the menu in order to tell it I'm changing the cartridge.
Are you using a PRO1000? Have you tried just opening the front cart lid and replacing it?
Great video!!
Cheers Jose very informative
How often should the Pro-1000 be used as a bare minimum to maintain the printer? Thanks.
At least every couple of days. Be aware you should actually be producing prints and not just "Maintaining" the printer. You will waste a ton of ink not being used for prints.
@@cheo1949 Would that print need to be of a certain size or would a small print do the same job ?
Hi Jose. After watching your videos for many hours and doing lots of research, I took on the odyssey of printing at home and refilling. I am using a Canon Pro 100 with OEM cartridges and OctoInk inks (which I believe it's the best option for inks in the EU at the moment). Everything was going great until I noticed that my LGY cartridge keeps dripping ink until the chamber is empty! This is only happening with this cartdridge... what could be the problem?
Simple. The fill hole is not being 100% sealed by the plug so it leaks out. How did you modify your carts?
@@cheo1949 I am using the small plastic plugs provided by OctoInk to seal the fill holes, but perhaps the seal is not perfect in this cart. Do you think I can use tape for a better seal? Any ideas?
Are you using the so called tapered plugs that supposedly do not require you to drill out the factory ball seat to the proper 5/32th inch diameter? Doing this allows a straight wall plug to force itself beyond the drilled seat. Compress and re expand to create a perfect seal. To test your cart, attach the orange exit port clip. Fill the cart. Insert your plug. Hold it over a paper cup. Remove the orange clip and it should not drip at all. If the fill plug is not sealing, it will drip and empty out.
@@cheo1949 Hey Jose. Yup, you are exactly right, I'm using those plugs so I didn't drill the ball seat. And you are right: the LGY cart wasn't sealed properly (plug wasn't all the way in) and was dripping until empty. After thoroughly adjusting the plug and using some tape to secure it, it works, no more dripping!
This is not ideal though. I would like to use something more robust. What do you mean exactly with wall plugs? Could you direct me to those?
Many thanks for your videos!
I may have mistyped. I use straight wall plugs with the side tabs. On a you drill the seat to 5/32" the plugs can be forced in and create a perfect seal.
Hello from Greece Jose,
I would like to ask you if the pro 2000 do the same with inks
According to those who have it and I do not. They claim they do not suffer so many cleaning cycles if that is what you are referring to.
@@cheo1949 Thank you very mutch Jose
Where do I get the oem cartridges? or what brand are they? What ink brand do you recommend?
OEM just means the Originals that came with the printer.
@@cheo1949 I want one refillable cartridges, which brand recommends where I buy them.
Yo hablo español no le entiendo muy bien.
If one used 700ml OEM carts to refill, what would be the year cost of wasted ink for a pro 1000?
It would be less costly. A 80ml oem cart cost $60. A 700ml cost $225 if you order from my link on my descriptions. You can sometimes find them for less on EBAY but new the cost $300.
@@cheo1949 thank you. How much ml of waste ink do you think the pro 1000 will use in a year?
No idea. Too many factors involved. You could weigh maintenance carts. Empty new they weigh 278 grams.
@@cheo1949 do you think that it could be less than 700ml?
Not sure what you're after here. There no way to predict how much waste it will generate. As I said..too many variables involved here.
Yep, you've been saying that all along! (About ink waste that is.) I've been running a nozzle check on days I don't print anything else, hoping to save ink by reducing the number of internal maintenance cycles.
That will not do a thing to reduce the timed cleaning cycles. Jokingly the only way to not use any ink is to power it off for like a year. Yes..you will not use any ink for prints or to fill the waste ink cart. But when you power it back on.......that's a different story.
@@cheo1949 Has it changed that running a nozzle check from Qimage will not prevent the timed cleaning cycles? I was under the assumption that it only ran the cleaning cycle at different timed intervals if it was not used for a defined number of hours. A second question along the same line. Is it better to print 4 individual 8x10's or 4 8x10's on a larger sheet of paper at one time? Is some ink wasted between each print? Thanks Joe
Nope. That's old wrong info. Qimage doesn't run nozzle checks. It prints a purge custom color image. Only the drive performs nozzle checks. Printing anything will not prevent the cleaning cycle that will occur during the next print job after 60 hours from the previous cleaning. It takes place as you print. Not by itself. Only as you send a job to the printer. If that job comes at 60 hours or a minute more since that last cleaning cycle it will include yet another cleaning cycle and the clock starts again. If want to hear all about this. Join us tonight at 4pm Eastern time USA on youtube live stream.
Jose - how often and how much do you print with your Pro 1000?
I try to print something once a day. I wish I had a lot more to print on it though. And still it will run a cleaning cycle after 60 hours.
@@cheo1949 so are you saying that even if you print something everyday.. you are still not going to avoid wasting ink with the cleaning cycles?? :O thats insane!!
@@8888Riley that is correct. The cleaning cycles will happen as need. Actual printing produces residues inside the printhead that requires them to be flushes out when they reach a certain level. You would even angrier if they were not flushed out as needed.
Just to clarify, Canon replaced my printer because THEY said the Pro 1000 did NOT have automatic cleaning cycles that wasted 60 ml. But....EVERY pro-1000 has these cycles! If Canon had admitted this can you imagine the fallout. Surely more than half of these machines are sold to non-professionals with small print loads.
And this has been my beef all along. Canon, not me, not Jose, -Canon, should have advertised this printer as “for professional use” with an explanation of the cleaning cycles and resulting impact on low production ink cost. They could have said “these cleaning cycles are necessary and always there but cost average down with commercial levels of print production”. Then neither I nor anyone else could complain.
The PRO 1 Used to do a full ink recharge at the 45 day mark from setup. Now that was a shock to us owners. They said that did not occur either. I wonder why they discontinued it. It would take a bit of redesigning but they should use a cleaning fluid to perform some of the " Maintenance " rather than expensive inks. Inks are not very effective cleaning agents. They produce great prints. I told tonight's live stream audience to read your thread on the FB group.
Jose Rodriguez I never thought of using another fluid. Patent that idea before Canon does.
LOL. The printhead would need to be redesigned to allow a 13th line to bring in cleaner to all 12 channels BEYOND THE DAMPERS. Then it would have to re prime and push out any remaining cleaner with ink. It would still waste ink but but not at the levels it presently does. They would never consider this.
Bottom line: It's no longer practical to do your own printing. Use a reliable printing service instead, unless you print hundreds of prints a week. Few people actually do that anymore.
Printing is not just about saving money, it's also about having total control over your print. For instance, I can choose what paper I want to use from hundreds of options, something no printing service can offer. I can also fine tune in a matter of minutes the colors, density and contrast of my print, something that could take weeks using a service.
But cost savings are still there if your only alternative is to use a professional service (if you're wanting a archival print as opposed to a cheap RC luster one), which in my area can charge $20+/sq ft.
And that would be the determining Factor whether you should go ahead and jump into home photo printing or not. I spoke about the luxury of having that instant gratification available. The absolute full control that you can apply to everything that you create. That's why you pay the money. That's where the dollars go.
Or get an HP :-) HP runs a clean cycle yet is very frugal on the inks.
What HP model???
@@bjaynetwork2588 z3200 and the new z9 I think it is called
This guy sounds like he doesn't know what hes doing. I bet he complaines when his carbattery is dead too after not driving it for months.
You better not be talking about me!
@@cheo1949 haha of course not! Youre my go-to guy!
Paper is free for all these equations huh? LUL
Without researching this video, I don't know what you are referencing.
@@cheo1949 none of the equations factored in to any of the cost of paper. I wrote this before I realized it was just about cost of ink and not a full cost to do printing. Great videos. Still not sure what I should buy. LOL
Paper cost can be 50 cents to $7-10 per sheet of 13x19. And differs even more depending on how much you buy. So I leave the paper cost aspect to the use.
@@cheo1949 yeah makes sense. Should have watched longer than I did before I commented. I need archival ink and I can't choose between Epson P5000 commercial and Epson P800. I print about 200 matte art prints a month but January to March gets pretty slow. Any recommendations or alternatives. I dont mind using OEM inks
hi there is there a printer that you can use once every two weeks i love photography and would love to print what i take thank you colin