I think everyone has a different method for slider float but like your set up. I don't use a swivel and have bulk, dropper and tell tail shot near the hook. I recently got some semi-loaded floats (big ones) which work a treat. Slider is one of the best methods for deeper water. I use 13 - 15ft rods, can be much better then watching a quiver tip all day.
This was exactly what I was looking for. I'm getting ready to fish perch in a 20m deep lake without sonar..... Some would call me an optimist but I don't fish to catch fish to be honest :)
Hi Den great tutorial again 👍Could I just add one little tip ? Generally speaking the beads available here in Australia have a bore that is a little too large for effective stopping of the bead, to get around this I make micro bore stoppers from the plastic tubing from WD 40 aerosols (and similar products) by cutting them into short lengths . They can be used on their own on the line or if luck has it they can be pushed into a bead (and glued if necessary) I have access to very small drill bits to make my own micro beads but this is a great 'workaround' for anyone who has not
now i know what mistakes i made when slider fishing i can correct them :) cheers and also how to tie a stop knot was explain really well + i could see every movement has you was doing it which is sometimes left out in some pic's/ vid's on how do do things -- i be using this method when im fishing down the docks again -- perfect for me cheers Den
We have a lot in common. My name is Denny and I use exactly the same rod as you for slider fishing. In fact, the only difference between our methods is that I use an unloaded waggler, sitting on a float stop about one foot above the bulk. To bait up, I remove the hook link and replace it with a cage feeder, casting in several times to the clip. The only problem I have is hitting bites at 20+ metres in deep water. I presume you strike up and back?
Hi Denny. Thanks for your comments. I like your idea of using a cage feeder to feed the swim, so I will try it next I go to that venue. As for striking, I can't remember exactly which way I do it, so I will get back to you after my next visit. You would think I would remember, but I just do it automatically these days.
Very much helpful to me sir, plz explain last one minute where u were explaining with led sinker and float setling on water surface. Sir here in India there are some lake which is more deep like 30 feet or more in which under water weed may be half of it dept weed and reast 15 feet clear water upto surface. So in such situation how I can keep my hook to catch carp like Rohu, Catla fish here in India
Hi. If I have understood your question correctly, you are saying that the weed grows up to half way to the surface. If so, and the top 15 feet is clear, then I suggest you set the stop knot at around 14 feet. That way your bait will be suspended just above the weed.
@@AnubhavAnkitGeorge I'm afraid I have never seen any of your fish, so I cannot advise you on whether they will take your bait. You are correct about Carp being bottom feeders, but they will also eat baits higher up in the water.
Used the sliding knot years ago fishing the dams in Cyprus, we used to call it the Billy Lane knot, because I think he was one of the first to use it years before, but not too sure about the origin of the knot, but that's what we were told.
Hi Russell. Thanks for your comments. I remember fishing a Yermasoyia Dam just outside Limassol in 1975, just after the Turkish Invasion. If I had known more about Slider Fishing at that time, it would have been really helpful. I think you may be right about Billy Lane too. I seem to remember something mentioned in his book about float fishing regarding the slider. He was a really nice bloke who coached us in the Coventry Juvenile team back in the early 70's.
@@FishingwithDen Nice one Den, small world we lived in Berengaria, not far from Yermasoyia Dam at the time we fished it there was plenty of trout in there, probably around the same time you were there. The Billy Lane knot came in quite handy. Keep up the good work, I haven't fished for around 30 yrs but I am going to start fishing the local canals, with my son and grandson, so I am looking forward to that. The fishing rigs that are around these days, look too complicated to me Den, so I think I shall stick to the good old float for now. Tight lines as we used to say back then..
@@RTSFoto Small world indeed Russell. I lived in Berengaria for a few weeks after the families all got sent home. The place was deserted, so they sent a bunch of us singlys to make it look occupied. As for complicated rigs mate, don't worry about them. The basics still work well and a float will still catch you plenty of fish on the canals. Just make sure you fish with a relatively small hook and light line/float and you should catch plenty. If you find the towpaths too busy with walkers and cyclists, I suggest you go into the local tackle shop and ask them for a good local 'Commercial' Venue. Once again, you don't have to use anything complicated and the fish are bigger. Good luck and Tight Lines.
Finally a step by step guide with few tricks. I'm a beginner and this helped me alot. Can't wait to try and make it tomorrow. Thanks sir! I'm not from Britain, so i will speak in grams :D Is 5 gram waggler enough for pond size like this or would i have to get me a heavier one? Ponds where i fish are fine with, lets say, 10-20 meters long casts.
Thanks for your comments. If you are only casting 10 - 20 meters in a small shallow pond, a 5 Gram Waggler would probably be fine as long as weather conditions are good. However, if it is windy, you might need to use a larger Waggler, which will enable you to get the proper control. For this reason, I carry a set of normal Waggler floats from around 1 Gram to 9 Grams. If I need to cast further, or fish in slightly deeper waters, I also have a set of very heavy Wagglers from 10 Grams up to around 16 Grams. It is not clear from your comments if you are talking about using a normal Waggler or a Sliding Waggler Float. I have covered the use of normal Wagglers above, but you would use a Sliding Waggler Float in waters which are deeper than the length of your rod. (Say more than 3 or 4 metres deep). These floats are made differently to my Wagglers in that they have less loading in the base. If you go to my Playlist on float making, you will see exactly which floats I use and their sizes. Here is the link: ua-cam.com/play/PL1-iJW0W-2_mpAIwPFbpns0OfwzsjQ-Kk.html
Hi Den, I was in this situation yesterday, but had not seen this video. I wonder if instead of using a bead and stop knots could I just use a float stop?
Hi mate. Unfortunately, if you use a float stop, it would be halfway down your rod rings on the cast. That means that when you cast out it would hit off all those rings on the way which would cause big problems with range.
Well that was easily explained my question is the bead is fixed in position?? And does the bead if acting as a stop for the float travel through the rings ? I fish with drennan pellet flyer floats 5g and tried fishing a lake which was well over 6 feet I didn't know about this method so someone's else may have laughed trying to cast a very long length of line... now I will try this with one rod set up. I noticed you didn't sink the line ? I found this hard over a longer distance
Thanks Neil. The bead travels freely on the line until it reaches the stop knot, so it never goes through the rings. On the cast it sits just above the bulk shot. That way you are only casting about 4ft of line. Please note that Pellet floats should not be used as sliding floats because they are fully weighted at the base. Sliding floats only have a small amount of weight as part of the float. The bulk shot is set approx 4ft from the hook and this pulls the line through the float ring. It also helps to sink the line.
Thanks for your comments James. I have seen one of my friends use a really tiny plastic stop which he got from somewhere in Europe, but I wouldn't try to use a normal float stop. It would probably cause issues as it travels through the rod rings.
Quick question can I fish over-depth using the sliding float method like using a normal float setup or do you have to always fish dead depth? I only ask as I tried this method yesterday when fishing very deep water and found at times that my float wouldn't cock right. I was using a bodied onion waggler and that took 4 BB shot so was not entirely sure what i did wrong tbh. hope you can help me
You can certainly fish overdepth with a Slider Float Matt. As you say, that would help with counteracting the undertow. I’m afraid your a 4BB float is probably too light to be effective as a Slider and that may be the cause of your problems. If you go back to my video, you will see that the float I’m using is much heavier. It is also only partially loaded at the base, which enabled me to have a good sized bulk further down the line. This bulk pulls the line through the float until it reaches the Stop Knot. It also helps with stability and to combat undertow. Please note that Slider Floats are made differently to normal Wagglers, in that they are usually quite long, quite large and only contain a small amount of loading in the base as I mentioned above. You don’t mention how deep the water was in you question, but Sliders are normally only used when the water is deeper than your rod. In other words, when you can’t cast a normal waggler properly. As a final thought, you may want to try a Polaris or Locslide float instead of a Sliding Float. If the bottom is clear of weeds (unlike my swim in the video), these floats can be used for what is call Float Ledgering. I’m afraid I don’t have a video on that subject at the moment, but I’m planning to do one shortly. Do a quick search on UA-cam for those two names and I’m sure you will find what you need. Tight lines mate.
Fishing with Den Hi Den, the water was something like 15ft so was really struggling to cast. Mmm yes maybe that was the reason I thought it might be that but was just thinking if it was because I was fishing overdepth, I think I will definitely invest in some bigger shotting capacity floats. I will look into the ones you mentioned. Thanks for your advice your videos are really good and informative don’t stop, looking forward to your float ledgering one Thanks a lot tight lines mate
I too really enjoy your videos and am looking forward to a float ledgering video. I am 78 and used this method donkey's years ago, but have forgotten what I did then. Also tackle has changed as well with lots of new innovations out there. Your bait, colour attraction and smell videos have inspired me to experiment. Yesterday, carp and common bream would not touch corn on it's own, but when I used my made up bait (with or without corn) I got a bite straight away. I had loads of lift bites, but saw your video on striking on a lift bite too late for that session. Thanks for all your good and interesting videos. Barry
Its pretty much exactly the same as when you are fishing with a normal waggler Jared. If you set the knot at what you think is about the right depth and your float goes under when you put the Plummet on, then you are too shallow. If you can see your float then its either just right or overdepth. You can find out which one of these it is by taking off one of the larger shots before casting in. That way, your float will sit really high up if you are much overdepth.
I don’t think you understood what I was trying to do. A Locslide or a Polaris float is used for float ledgering. Your bait is always on the bottom. By using a Slider Float I was able to suspend the bait off the bottom which meant that I could avoid the weed growth which was covering parts of my swim.
Locslide is simply ledgering with a float bite indicator, it does not have the versatility of the sliding float set up and cannot produce a slowly falling bait on very light tackle that may be required for optimum bait presentation in some cases.
Thank you for the very clear explanation. You do make everything so clear and simple, much appreciated.
Thank you for this clear explanation. Really useful!
I think everyone has a different method for slider float but like your set up. I don't use a swivel and have bulk, dropper and tell tail shot near the hook. I recently got some semi-loaded floats (big ones) which work a treat. Slider is one of the best methods for deeper water. I use 13 - 15ft rods, can be much better then watching a quiver tip all day.
This was exactly what I was looking for. I'm getting ready to fish perch in a 20m deep lake without sonar..... Some would call me an optimist but I don't fish to catch fish to be honest :)
Hi Den great tutorial again 👍Could I just add one little tip ? Generally speaking the beads available here in Australia have a bore that is a little too large for effective stopping of the bead, to get around this I make micro bore stoppers from the plastic tubing from WD 40 aerosols (and similar products) by cutting them into short lengths . They can be used on their own on the line or if luck has it they can be pushed into a bead (and glued if necessary) I have access to very small drill bits to make my own micro beads but this is a great 'workaround' for anyone who has not
No worries Pete. That's a great idea
If that is the case then I just use a seed bead in front of the other beed. you can also use vinyl tubing.
@@adventureswithfrodo2721 hi mate, what is a seed bead ? Are they available in Australia?
now i know what mistakes i made when slider fishing i can correct them :) cheers and also how to tie a stop knot was explain really well + i could see every movement has you was doing it which is sometimes left out in some pic's/ vid's on how do do things -- i be using this method when im fishing down the docks again -- perfect for me cheers Den
No Worries Smiley. I'm glad my videos are helping you.
Hope the operation went well😎
I find this guy and the Drennan videos are technically sound
Good vid ,very clearly explained.👍
Thanks Don. I'm glad you found it useful.
Another awesome tutorial!
Thanks Den.
Thanks Adam. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I tried this today pretty easy to set up using fox tapered bore bead....just need to finese the depth.... but it was a vert windy wet day
Another great vid! Seen that done with power gum which seems a little firmer stop but no line damage at all. hope you caught plenty.
Had a bit of a struggle actually Phillip. Just after I did the video a high wind sprang up from nowhere and created all sorts of issues with waves.
Thank you! This was great :)
Thanks for that Den, really well explained 👍
No worries mate. I'm glad it helped.
This was exactly what I needed, thanks Den!
Your welcome. I'm glad you found it helpful.
Excellent video
Thanks mate.
Thank you for the feedback
You are welcome Stephen. I will produce a video on how to make Sliding Floats at some point in the next 2 or 3 weeks.
We have a lot in common. My name is Denny and I use exactly the same rod as you for slider fishing. In fact, the only difference between our methods is that I use an unloaded waggler, sitting on a float stop about one foot above the bulk.
To bait up, I remove the hook link and replace it with a cage feeder, casting in several times to the clip.
The only problem I have is hitting bites at 20+ metres in deep water. I presume you strike up and back?
Hi Denny. Thanks for your comments. I like your idea of using a cage feeder to feed the swim, so I will try it next I go to that venue. As for striking, I can't remember exactly which way I do it, so I will get back to you after my next visit. You would think I would remember, but I just do it automatically these days.
Very much helpful to me sir, plz explain last one minute where u were explaining with led sinker and float setling on water surface. Sir here in India there are some lake which is more deep like 30 feet or more in which under water weed may be half of it dept weed and reast 15 feet clear water upto surface. So in such situation how I can keep my hook to catch carp like Rohu, Catla fish here in India
Hi. If I have understood your question correctly, you are saying that the weed grows up to half way to the surface. If so, and the top 15 feet is clear, then I suggest you set the stop knot at around 14 feet. That way your bait will be suspended just above the weed.
@@FishingwithDen yes sir correct, bit sir would this catla and Rohu fish take my bait?, Since this carp are bottom feeder, so that I'm asking,
@@AnubhavAnkitGeorge I'm afraid I have never seen any of your fish, so I cannot advise you on whether they will take your bait. You are correct about Carp being bottom feeders, but they will also eat baits higher up in the water.
Used the sliding knot years ago fishing the dams in Cyprus, we used to call it the Billy Lane knot, because I think he was one of the first to use it years before, but not too sure about the origin of the knot, but that's what we were told.
Hi Russell. Thanks for your comments. I remember fishing a Yermasoyia Dam just outside Limassol in 1975, just after the Turkish Invasion. If I had known more about Slider Fishing at that time, it would have been really helpful.
I think you may be right about Billy Lane too. I seem to remember something mentioned in his book about float fishing regarding the slider.
He was a really nice bloke who coached us in the Coventry Juvenile team back in the early 70's.
@@FishingwithDen Nice one Den, small world we lived in Berengaria, not far from Yermasoyia Dam at the time we fished it there was plenty of trout in there, probably around the same time you were there. The Billy Lane knot came in quite handy. Keep up the good work, I haven't fished for around 30 yrs but I am going to start fishing the local canals, with my son and grandson, so I am looking forward to that. The fishing rigs that are around these days, look too complicated to me Den, so I think I shall stick to the good old float for now. Tight lines as we used to say back then..
@@RTSFoto Small world indeed Russell. I lived in Berengaria for a few weeks after the families all got sent home. The place was deserted, so they sent a bunch of us singlys to make it look occupied.
As for complicated rigs mate, don't worry about them. The basics still work well and a float will still catch you plenty of fish on the canals. Just make sure you fish with a relatively small hook and light line/float and you should catch plenty. If you find the towpaths too busy with walkers and cyclists, I suggest you go into the local tackle shop and ask them for a good local 'Commercial' Venue. Once again, you don't have to use anything complicated and the fish are bigger. Good luck and Tight Lines.
Finally a step by step guide with few tricks. I'm a beginner and this helped me alot. Can't wait to try and make it tomorrow. Thanks sir! I'm not from Britain, so i will speak in grams :D Is 5 gram waggler enough for pond size like this or would i have to get me a heavier one? Ponds where i fish are fine with, lets say, 10-20 meters long casts.
Thanks for your comments. If you are only casting 10 - 20 meters in a small shallow pond, a 5 Gram Waggler would probably be fine as long as weather conditions are good. However, if it is windy, you might need to use a larger Waggler, which will enable you to get the proper control. For this reason, I carry a set of normal Waggler floats from around 1 Gram to 9 Grams.
If I need to cast further, or fish in slightly deeper waters, I also have a set of very heavy Wagglers from 10 Grams up to around 16 Grams.
It is not clear from your comments if you are talking about using a normal Waggler or a Sliding Waggler Float. I have covered the use of normal Wagglers above, but you would use a Sliding Waggler Float in waters which are deeper than the length of your rod. (Say more than 3 or 4 metres deep). These floats are made differently to my Wagglers in that they have less loading in the base.
If you go to my Playlist on float making, you will see exactly which floats I use and their sizes. Here is the link: ua-cam.com/play/PL1-iJW0W-2_mpAIwPFbpns0OfwzsjQ-Kk.html
@@FishingwithDen Yes, i would use sliding waggler. I will search for the info in your videos. Thanks for the link.
@@FishingwithDen Update: It's working perfectly. Thank you again. :D
Hi Den, I was in this situation yesterday, but had not seen this video. I wonder if instead of using a bead and stop knots could I just use a float stop?
Hi mate. Unfortunately, if you use a float stop, it would be halfway down your rod rings on the cast. That means that when you cast out it would hit off all those rings on the way which would cause big problems with range.
@FishingwithDen Didn't think of that. Thank you. At 78 my brain has slowed down a lot and have only just returned to fishing after a very long gap.
@@landbk5015 No worries. I'm glad you're still able to get out there and enjoying your fishing.
Well that was easily explained my question is the bead is fixed in position?? And does the bead if acting as a stop for the float travel through the rings ?
I fish with drennan pellet flyer floats 5g and tried fishing a lake which was well over 6 feet I didn't know about this method so someone's else may have laughed trying to cast a very long length of line... now I will try this with one rod set up.
I noticed you didn't sink the line ? I found this hard over a longer distance
Thanks Neil. The bead travels freely on the line until it reaches the stop knot, so it never goes through the rings. On the cast it sits just above the bulk shot. That way you are only casting about 4ft of line. Please note that Pellet floats should not be used as sliding floats because they are fully weighted at the base. Sliding floats only have a small amount of weight as part of the float. The bulk shot is set approx 4ft from the hook and this pulls the line through the float ring. It also helps to sink the line.
@@FishingwithDen ahh I get it now I shall try looking for a bead or something... the floats are not special just have to use unloaded floats ?
@@magpiemale No mate. The floats are special. Have a look at this video: ua-cam.com/video/GTYVer4mV3Y/v-deo.html
Very interesting. Thank you. 😃🐟🐟🐟👍
Thank You.
Fishing with Den Pleasure Den. Keep those vids coming. 😃👍
Great video thanks 👍 massive help. One question. Can you use float stops instead of knot ? Thanks
Thanks for your comments James. I have seen one of my friends use a really tiny plastic stop which he got from somewhere in Europe, but I wouldn't try to use a normal float stop. It would probably cause issues as it travels through the rod rings.
Fishing with Den. Thanks makes sense. Really enjoyed your video. Thanks for also taking time to reply. Top bloke 👍
Quick question can I fish over-depth using the sliding float method like using a normal float setup or do you have to always fish dead depth?
I only ask as I tried this method yesterday when fishing very deep water and found at times that my float wouldn't cock right. I was using a bodied onion waggler and that took 4 BB shot so was not entirely sure what i did wrong tbh. hope you can help me
You can certainly fish overdepth with a Slider Float Matt. As you say, that would help with counteracting the undertow. I’m afraid your a 4BB float is probably too light to be effective as a Slider and that may be the cause of your problems.
If you go back to my video, you will see that the float I’m using is much heavier. It is also only partially loaded at the base, which enabled me to have a good sized bulk further down the line. This bulk pulls the line through the float until it reaches the Stop Knot. It also helps with stability and to combat undertow.
Please note that Slider Floats are made differently to normal Wagglers, in that they are usually quite long, quite large and only contain a small amount of loading in the base as I mentioned above.
You don’t mention how deep the water was in you question, but Sliders are normally only used when the water is deeper than your rod. In other words, when you can’t cast a normal waggler properly.
As a final thought, you may want to try a Polaris or Locslide float instead of a Sliding Float. If the bottom is clear of weeds (unlike my swim in the video), these floats can be used for what is call Float Ledgering. I’m afraid I don’t have a video on that subject at the moment, but I’m planning to do one shortly. Do a quick search on UA-cam for those two names and I’m sure you will find what you need. Tight lines mate.
Fishing with Den
Hi Den, the water was something like 15ft so was really struggling to cast. Mmm yes maybe that was the reason I thought it might be that but was just thinking if it was because I was fishing overdepth, I think I will definitely invest in some bigger shotting capacity floats. I will look into the ones you mentioned. Thanks for your advice your videos are really good and informative don’t stop, looking forward to your float ledgering one Thanks a lot tight lines mate
I too really enjoy your videos and am looking forward to a float ledgering video. I am 78 and used this method donkey's years ago, but have forgotten what I did then. Also tackle has changed as well with lots of new innovations out there. Your bait, colour attraction and smell videos have inspired me to experiment. Yesterday, carp and common bream would not touch corn on it's own, but when I used my made up bait (with or without corn) I got a bite straight away. I had loads of lift bites, but saw your video on striking on a lift bite too late for that session. Thanks for all your good and interesting videos. Barry
Have you a video on a diy weed rake ? Please
Unfortunately, I don't David. I did make one a few years ago, but would you believe, I haven't actually used it.
What did u catch ?
I can't remember exactly how many Gary, but I think it was around 5 or 6 Carp up to around 6lbs
This still dies explain how you know where to set the knot.
Its pretty much exactly the same as when you are fishing with a normal waggler Jared. If you set the knot at what you think is about the right depth and your float goes under when you put the Plummet on, then you are too shallow. If you can see your float then its either just right or overdepth. You can find out which one of these it is by taking off one of the larger shots before casting in. That way, your float will sit really high up if you are much overdepth.
Fantastic thanks. I'll give this a go in the spring. Apologies for the typo!@@FishingwithDen
@@jaredgriffiths1361 No worries mate.
Thats a lot of faffing about, just use a locslide float, job done.
I don’t think you understood what I was trying to do. A Locslide or a Polaris float is used for float ledgering. Your bait is always on the bottom. By using a Slider Float I was able to suspend the bait off the bottom which meant that I could avoid the weed growth which was covering parts of my swim.
Locslide is simply ledgering with a float bite indicator, it does not have the versatility of the sliding float set up and cannot produce a slowly falling bait on very light tackle that may be required for optimum bait presentation in some cases.