Amazing timining since I had a dissertation meeting this afternoon in which my tutor pointed me towards Propp's work. I'll be analysing Series 5 of Doctor Who and how it plays with fairy tale ideals and archetypes. Very clear and interesting video.
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So I was watching this video while reviewing, at the back of my head, the character archetypes of Chris Vogler's simplification of the Hero's Journey: Hero Mentor Threshold Guardian Herald Shapeshifter Shadow Trickster They all sound the same except that Vogler's list only have 7 archetypes in contrast to Propp's 8; probably eliminated the "princess" archetype.
i'm sure you've already commented on this, and the answer is somewhere else, but what is the link you mention at 1:35 please? Thanks for sharing again ❤
The “princess is a reward for the hero” is like colonial stereotypes but for (against) women. This character archetype needs to die and never come back, being replaced by real human female archetypes.
Agreed. If you haven't already, consider watching "Bringing back What's Stolen", an 8 part video essay by Innuendo Studios where he analyzes 6 common female tropes in action/horror films, and how "Mad Max: Fury Road" either dismisses or subverts each of them. In the end, he proposes a new archetype based on Furiosa. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/wmR8A1a8shk/v-deo.html
@@Pedro_Larroza Thank you so much, I will take a look. Maureen Murdock also discuses The Heroines journey and feminine archetypes. Movies that are trying are mostly transferring warrior hero male characteristics (because that’s all they know works) to female characters as an effort to have “strong female characters.” The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was an example of a heroine’s journey with feminine archetypes according to John Truby in his new book “Genre.” Baumés mother in law was a famous Suffragette and Indian Rights activist Matilda Joslyn Gage, who , along with Carl Jung, he says, influenced his writing. I look forward to watching the series you suggest. Thanks again.
@@lbrowning2543 I thank YOU for the abundance of references you have just gifted me with!! :) I will definitely pursue reading them. I hope you like the essay. It seemed, to me, very well researched. 1. I haven't read the novel by Baum, but, from the film, I can see how Dorothy is an excellent example indeed! 2. In Innuendo Media's essay, he seems more focused on the signifiers of, specifically, violence, and how they relate to signifiers of femininity. But, like you said of heroes, most often, signifiers of masculinity are just transposed to female characters to make them action heroines, or sexist tropes, like "The Mama Bear" or "The Dominatrix" are construed to code their violence as appealing to a male audience. But History is, thankfully, always in the making. :)
Amazing timining since I had a dissertation meeting this afternoon in which my tutor pointed me towards Propp's work. I'll be analysing Series 5 of Doctor Who and how it plays with fairy tale ideals and archetypes. Very clear and interesting video.
Genius! That sounds like a great read!
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What about there's the princess but her father doesn't exist?
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So I was watching this video while reviewing, at the back of my head, the character archetypes of Chris Vogler's simplification of the Hero's Journey:
Hero
Mentor
Threshold Guardian
Herald
Shapeshifter
Shadow
Trickster
They all sound the same except that Vogler's list only have 7 archetypes in contrast to Propp's 8; probably eliminated the "princess" archetype.
Thanks!
Welcome Seth!
Interesting video, thanks!
thank you so much for this
i'm sure you've already commented on this, and the answer is somewhere else, but what is the link you mention at 1:35 please? Thanks for sharing again ❤
There should be a card in the top right of the video that takes you to it!
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There are certainly more than these 8.
The “princess is a reward for the hero” is like colonial stereotypes but for (against) women. This character archetype needs to die and never come back, being replaced by real human female archetypes.
Agreed. If you haven't already, consider watching "Bringing back What's Stolen", an 8 part video essay by Innuendo Studios where he analyzes 6 common female tropes in action/horror films, and how "Mad Max: Fury Road" either dismisses or subverts each of them. In the end, he proposes a new archetype based on Furiosa. Here's the link: ua-cam.com/video/wmR8A1a8shk/v-deo.html
@@Pedro_Larroza Thank you so much, I will take a look. Maureen Murdock also discuses The Heroines journey and feminine archetypes. Movies that are trying are mostly transferring warrior hero male characteristics (because that’s all they know works) to female characters as an effort to have “strong female characters.” The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was an example of a heroine’s journey with feminine archetypes according to John Truby in his new book “Genre.” Baumés mother in law was a famous Suffragette and Indian Rights activist Matilda Joslyn Gage, who , along with Carl Jung, he says, influenced his writing. I look forward to watching the series you suggest. Thanks again.
@@lbrowning2543 I thank YOU for the abundance of references you have just gifted me with!! :) I will definitely pursue reading them. I hope you like the essay. It seemed, to me, very well researched.
1. I haven't read the novel by Baum, but, from the film, I can see how Dorothy is an excellent example indeed!
2. In Innuendo Media's essay, he seems more focused on the signifiers of, specifically, violence, and how they relate to signifiers of femininity. But, like you said of heroes, most often, signifiers of masculinity are just transposed to female characters to make them action heroines, or sexist tropes, like "The Mama Bear" or "The Dominatrix" are construed to code their violence as appealing to a male audience. But History is, thankfully, always in the making. :)
I love seeing this kind of conversation on the back of this video, thanks guys
Fairytales describe the ideal type not the commonplace.