@@ravenmaster6364 Ferrari Was never originally owned by fiat and spent a small period of time owned by fiat. Get the facts straight.Ferrari is way above Porsche.
I’ll never forget what a wealthy man said when he was discussing cars. He said he would never buy a Ferrari due to the “wanker factor”. That always stuck with me lol.
@@MichaelBrown-pg5dy If it helps, some of us Ferrari owners also love Porsches. Your OP has however brought out posts from others that let the wider Porsche community down with childish and tribal comments.
The only shade I ever get, as a launch year 986 owner, is from non P-car owners. People who haven’t experienced the brand but have opinions on it don’t matter to me. If you own a p-car, cool, your opinion is valid, if not, keep walking 🤣👍 I’ll add to this One personal opinion. If your friends or car guy group look down on your car, you need new friends or a new car group. Doesn’t matter what car you’re driving if you’re part of a passion. They need to respect that. That goes for Porsche as well as any other brand. Some people in the car community can be toxic and there needs to be more of a bro code because most non-car people hate all of us. 👍
Agree. The only person who ever gave me crap about owning a Cayman instead of a 911 was some douche on reddit who didn't own any Porsche. I've never gotten shit from anyone within PCA. As a matter of fact, I'm friends with someone who wants to sell his 911 so he can buy a Cayman.
I’m a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 owner, plenty of P cars of all vintages here in the Bay Area. Owners sometimes hang out with other owners who have similar vintage cars. But I usually get a nice comment because of the 4.0 engine and the FrozenBerry Metallic color. I could care less what anyone thinks of my car, I love driving her and that’s what matters
Only the rich douches who buy a late-model 911 as their first Porsche look down on "lesser" models... those of us of more meagre means who worked their way up through 924s, 914s and air-cooled 911s when they were cheap (and who are now driving 996s) accept all Porsche sports cars as equals. The SUVs, sedans and EVs can stick it though. 🤡
As a 996 owner, I look down on no one, because, well, 996 owner. BUT, there is absolutely some hardcore snobbery out there, although that's present in EVERY hobby and all walks of life.
Transitioned from 981 Cayman S to 992 Carrera GTS. Both manual. I loved the smaller size of Cayman and mid-engine handling. 911 bigger but shrinks around you as you get to know it. Power of GTS is unreal, but also miss naturally aspirated Cayman engine. Love all Porsches. My experience has been that it is typically non-Porsche owners that judge based on cost from a spectator position, rather than true enthusiasts and owners of the marque.
Yes, I have experienced this. Not much, but it exists. My first Porsche was a Boxster. I sold it to buy a 911 (997.2 C2S 6M), which was awesome. But I sold that too, to buy another Boxster (981 GTS). Which I love even more. So I’m in the “They’re all good - shut up and drive” camp!
Just bought an 02 Boxster S for$6500 Be my fifth one Never had a problem with any of them Always kept them for a year or two and usually made money on them Ultra cheap fun Love any 911 but I’m an Uber cheap bass turd Putting my money into my 2 240z card I’m 6’6” and use a shoehorn to get into the Boxster Usually call the fire department to get me out
Sometimes car cliques are like being in high school again. Life is too short for that kind of crap, especially with such a great car. One of my friends went from a 911 to a Boxster and said he preferred the Boxster because it was a better handling car.
986 Boxster and 996 GT3 owner here. I think the one I'm driving at the moment is the best one then I get in the other and I think it's the better one... Both great cars we are all lucky to have these cars.
I have a 2003 Boxster S. My car is amazing I don't give a rats ass what anyone thinks. Would I buy a 911, maybe? Would I most likely switch my Boxster for another Boxster? Definately.
More than a few buddies gave me “WTF” look when I bailed on a 992 Carrera S order to get a 718 Spyder. As a weekend/fun car…it was a no brainer. Better suspension/handling, brakes and (IMO) motor, rarer, and a bit less expensive. Definitely get shit, but the real ones get it. The ones that don’t, don’t matter.
Thank you for this great video. I own a 996 C2 and 981 Spyder, my 5th Boxster of all generations except 718. I've previously owned a 996 TT ( this one - ua-cam.com/video/r_8WEV2UsX0/v-deo.html ) and a 997 C2. For me the 981 is really where it's at and the 981 Spyder is the sweet spot. 991 and certainly 992 are not what Ferry Porsche had in mind. Next 911 I get will be air cooled as these are really where the Porsche ethos is...not GT cruiser 992 !
that's not true. We throw shade on overweight Macan owners who wear Porsche shirts. If a 911 owner throws shade on the Cayman/boxster, then THEY are the posers. It is hard not to respect the heck out of those tiny roadsters. And we'll miss them when we are all driving golf-carts.
I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s watching racing with my dad. Porsche 911’s were winning races. There were no Caimens or Boxters at the time. I wanted a 911. I had a 911 poster on my bedroom wall. After graduating in 82, Alpine Porsche had a radio sales event where they advertised a “drive a Porsche” event. My girlfriend at the time and I got in the car and drove up and there was no way they were going to let some kid drive a new 911. The oldest 911 on the lot was a 1970 and they gave me the chance to drive it, after some begging on my part. That drive changed my life. I knew I was going to own a 911. Fast forward 30 years with wife and kids. My wife and I were having one of our cars, a Cayenne, serviced and they were out of Cayennes and they gave us a Caimen for the day. So we drove it up Pikes Peak and had an absolute blast in that car. The handling was magnificent and I dint think it was any slower than the 997 S I drove up a few years earlier. Also a loaner. I bought a 911 after the kids were out of college and that’s the car I always wanted. But I think the younger generations may well want the mid engined cars over the 911, just because they are exposed to them. I think they also need to see them winning races. I like both the Caimen and Boxter, but those are not the cars I wanted growing up. I think when we older 911 diehards are gone, there will be less bias against the mid engined cars.
To anyone thinking about a used 911, I will offer the following suggestion/recommendation: Go and test drive some used Caymans as well. I have found that each generation Cayman is just as capable, and just as enjoyable, as the previous generation’s 911, Especially when you compare the 987 Cayman to the 996, or the 981 Cayman to the 997. If you can live without a sunroof, and without that “briefcase compartment” that Porsche calls a back seat, then the Cayman can offer more pure sports car value than an older 911 in the same price range can…JMHO
True. To go one step further, often comparison within a single generation actually favors Boxster/Cayman. For example, over less than perfect tarmac, I find the ride and handling of a 987.2 significantly better than that of a 997.2. It's just physics, 997's employed a very stiff rear suspension to keep the heavy tail in check.
I guess it depends on how the current 911 owners came into the brand. Those who first bought Boxsters/Caymans (then transitioned to the 911) probably won't have any animus towards them. However, those who jumped directly into 911's might. But, at the end of the day, I think the brand is exceptional, regardless of which model. Yes, some models have known issues, but the same could be said for pretty much every manufacturer...
The 911 is the definitive Porsche. That said, there is more than enough room for all the other Porsche's, whether they're the older front engined 944/928's, the SUV/CUV's like the Cayenne/Macan or the mid engine Boxster/Cayman's. They're all great cars and I embrace both them and their owners. In fact, I've owned most of them myself and enjoyed them all.
ua-cam.com/video/z8RDTsr9POA/v-deo.html Fun informative video in context of this Rennthusiast video.. Btw, at 10:32 min it's explained how Porsche tuned down the Cayman/Boxster to not outperform the (flagship much more expensive) 911 model..
I started a local run group a few years ago and none of us look down on Boxsters. We’ve had a handful join our group and never heard that talk. It IS a thing online imho. For ME, the 911 is my fav Porsche, 996 is my fav 911. I like the Boxster Spyder a lot, but I LOVE my 911😊
I have had some 911 owners who have not been rude, but have been somewhat dismissive of me having a 981 Cayman GTS. Others have been totally friendly and welcoming. I chose the 981 because I enjoyed the driving experience and size more than a recent 911, which did not feel as nimble or quite as much of a sports car to me. Overall I have found true Porsche enthusiasts to be a great crew!
I’ve had “snobs” who are so much into their “rear thrust” cars, snort in disdain at my beautiful Baltic Blue 944s2 Cabriolet. I’m mature enough and comfortable in my own skin (after five decades in the military and law enforcement) to not give them any concern. But….I would be lying if I didn’t admit to some “rear or mid-engine” envy….in fact, I’m on the fence right now between buying a 911 or a BoxsterS. I do enjoy your “say it like it is” videos.
After Uni I promised myself one day I would buy and own the 928. AS of now I have now owned 5 of them, 3 x 924s2 Turbos a couple of 944s and how many 911s??? NONE not a single one !! But that is about to change after all isn't a Cayman 80% original 911 parts? Maybe but I also know a 997.2 is 100% 911 so yeah finally I can say I have owned a proper Porsche !!
I’ve owned five Porsches and currently drive a 981 Cayman GTS. Someone (not a Porsche person) saw me with the car and asked if maybe someday I could “handle” a 911. I explained that I sold my 911 to get a Cayman, and that as a nationally certified HPDE instructor I could probably handle most cars. Maybe I was a douche, but it felt good.
Want to stop all this 911 vs ... pull up in your 356 ... you now OWN the event ... ROCK STAR status at any Porsche or other car event ! Seriously ... just observe, ALL people walk right past ALL of the wankers/wanta-bees and really stop/talk to you about your 356 !
You asked for something that shows the Boxster is intentionally dumbed down. This fellow lays it out. YTuber Jeff Richardson, “Porsche does not want you to know this”. Roughly 11 minutes in explains how they dumb it down.
I have been in my local Porsche club since my first 87 924 S. Since then have owned a 79. 930, 82 928 S, 89 944S2, 86 928 S, 89 928 S4, 87 944 and lastly my 2003 Speed yellow Boxster. Have never had any negative comments from our club members. Perhaps I have simply been lucky!
That some water-cooled 911 owners are looking down on Boxsters or Caymens proves that it's just Snobbery, plain and simple. These cars are mechanically very similar.
Just purist tribalism. It doesn't make it right, but I suppose that it is the human condition. As a former Boxster owner who now owns a base water-cooled 911 with - gasp - a PDK - I still catch subtle shade from the WC and the manual-or-die guys. I loved my manual Boxster, and I love my Carrera for different reasons. Put me in the kumbaya camp...let's just drive our P-cars and enjoy it.
Cant stand 911 people. Had 5 models at once. Cayenne Turbo, 987 Boxster S, 997 C2, Panamera Turbo S Executive, and 981 Spyder. Sold everything but the spyder and the turbo s. Last to go was my 997, which I traded in for a Lexus LS. The spyder is all I need and the panamera is for the wife
At least the 911 crew grudgingly acknowledges Boxster/Cayman models as Porsches. Show up to the Cars and Coffee Porsche section in a Panamera/Taycan/Macan/Cayenne and they will tell you to park with the general public. I used to have a 991 Carrera S and the GT3/GT3RS crew would look down on my car as well. Human nature shows us that everyone needs someone to feel superior to, I guess.
The Ugly Truth About Porsche early water cooled Ownership: You're Gonna Get Hate From all Porsche Owners. I came from a 914 and than a air cooled 911. I drove a Boxster at a dealership and 996 and said the Boxster has a better transmission, since I stalled the 996 a couple of times lol....Now I am back in a 996.2 Targa and I have to say there is a lot of clueless people who own any newer 2015, even the air cooled crowd is now look down on any Boxster or 996...I choose my 996,2 as a daily driver vs the Boxster....I feel I made the right choice as the Targa is more unquie than the Boxster and has more room for daily living, love both cars and I always honk as other owners as a sign of respect, we are driving the most hated Porsches, ever lol
As a Porsche outsider, looking in. It always seemed to me, the “911” purchase is the, fulfilling a goal, then, you by the Cayman as the “fun” let your hair down experience. Like, they’re a package deal that compliment each other, and since you have both, haters be damned.
We wouldn’t have the 911 if it weren’t for the Boxster. We probably wouldn’t have either now, or at least not the level of innovation, without the Cayenne and the Macan. This support allowed the Carrera GT and 918. R&D is business.
I have a 981 GT4 and all pcar owners have been super cool. It never ends, if you have a boxster why not the 911? Oh cool you have a 911, why not a GT3? Why not an RS? Why not a GT2 etc. run what you brung and enjoy life.
I have a 996.2 911 (that I love) and was told by someone (by their own admission) who has never owned/driven a Porsche, that it wasn't a real 911 because of the headlights. I then said (among other things), "So I suppose you're one of those knobs that reckon a Boxster/Cayman isn't a real Porsche either?" He said, "No they're not." I was going to suggest that he should perhaps at least drive one, or both, before having an opinion. I thought better of it. Why waste your time with an oxygen thief? "I said, "Good talk mate, see ya." I'd have either in a heartbeat. I've driven quite a few Boxster's and there's plenty to love. Haters gonna hate.
i own a 2021 C2S and a 2024 Cayman GTS 4.0. both r spectacular nit definitely different. The judgement is real and i kind of get it as the 911 is iconic and every other Porsche made is pretty much considered the car u buy if u cant afford a 911. whatever. o certainly feel different driving the 911 than the Cayman, nut the Cayman is actually more engaging car for me. probably because of the 6 speedanual
I’ll pause at 4 minutes…… I experienced exactly the opposite at a local gathering. I was the lone 911 amongst some Boxster / Caymans……and they were less than interested in including me in the “pop-up” gathering. It really doesn’t have to be this way, folks !
This overall is such a good conversation to have and you really could go into the weeds. I have a 987CS and it's my first Porsche. I was parking at a Cars & Coffee and a nice Air-Cooled parked next to me. We were close, when I got out, I was just checking my door and the guy in the 911 asked very rudely, "Did you hit my f*cking car?" Screw you man! I care about my car just as much as you care about your car. I don't know if I'll ever get anymore more than this and I feel like it's a reward for my hard work. I can respect your car, but please respect mine. I'm glad you're in a higher social-economic bracket than me. Perhaps someday I'll get there, but for now I'm happy and I love what my P-car does for me. I wouldn't trade it for yours. To piggy-back on this, I see the all the mechanical issues that go along with m9X engines and I wonder why there's not more cost-effective solutions. Why is PCA not actively working to find solutions? Guess what community, if you kill access to affordable cars, you will slowly kill interest in your community. There needs to be access. I'm not advocating that it's a gimme or easy, just saying that it needs to be there. If you're not bringing new blood in, then what happens as the old guard passes? If we all love these cars as much as we say we do. If we're truly passionate about what these cars can do. Then we need to support all of them and find ways to keep them around. It'll be a sad day when m9X-engined vehicles disappear. Show me a modern Porsche with more curves than a 987 Cayman. Truly beautiful!
I could find a artist who could paint a much better picture of a woman than Da Vinci ever did. But the Mona Lisa has 500 yrs of history behind it and all that that entails. Heritage is good part of the experience and 911's are The Porsche, the other models ride on it's wings. I paid extra (sacrificed more sweat and toil) to a part of that, I don't look down on people as a rule, but I will always view 911's with more respect than I will ever admire the other models regardless of their performance.
The 718 spyder broke the world’s record for cones/handling. A 911 could not ever do so regardless of modification or investment. Mid engine is superior to rear engine for quite a few things. It just is hampered by slow, horrible tire technology and am the issue of cooling location. 911 is fast due to friction force on the rear wheels + poor current tire technology.
981 Boxster PDK Base Owner here. Experienced it a few different times. Even experienced it with a Panamera owner as well. It's really sad. It has steered me away from PCA in Minnesota because of the snobbery that I've experienced.
Funny how this type of thing only happens with car enthusiasts. Like eating their own. I don’t think Honda Accord owners look down on those who drive Civics. Or do they? Like hey Civic owner, you couldn’t afford an Accord eh?
The same is the case for those of us who are 928 owners. I’ve owned both the 911 and 928 and find the 928 a superior vehicle overall in comparison with 911’s of the same era. I loved my 911 but the 928 is a much better daily driver, more comfortable, and actually out handles a 911 due to the almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution. It’s a VERY underrated vehicle! I love both models but prefer the 928 overall.
I own a 968, and even some Porsche owners don't know what the hell it is. Non-Porsche people sometimes think it's an all new model. I myself see another one on the road maybe once every two years. No hate from the 911 community tho, just mostly apathy.
the body lines on the 911 are objectively appealing to the human eye. it’s instinctual. the same cannot be said of the cayman, and certainly not the boxter.
I own both a 981 Cayman S and a 992 Carrera T, both great cars and frankly people in the local PCA aren’t rude or ignorant of towards either or any of the Porsche cars.
I reckon the mid-engined cars are the smarter buy, but there's always someone out there who's got an opinion about the model, generation, colour, transmission, number of cylinders, the engine cooling, modifications and so on. And most of those opinions are worthless.
The opinion is definitely out there, however these people’s opinion means nothing to me. So I ignore them, small narrow minded folks, whose opinions say more about them than it does me.
Great point…there’s been derision towards 996’s for a long time, but I think there’s a recent respect and affection for them: ua-cam.com/video/wYse1JLfF5k/v-deo.htmlsi=7pqRKxdSVeObVTcX
Idea for a video, I was wondering what you think about the influencer/trust fund crowd moving from Lambos to 911s, Porsches used to fly under the radar but it seems like everyone wants one, and it did 2 things: priced out the cars for average enthusiasts, and turned them into status symbols rather than driving machines
I think Bring A Trailer played a huge role in there somewhere as well. Makes me sad that regular driving enthusiasts have been pushed out of many brands and models that used to be within reach. Too easy for a drunk rich dude to bid up an SC to $70K that used to be $30K before the pandemic and before BaT got really big.
I agree, the prices in 2021 far exceeded their values in BaT auctions. I was looking into Caymans but I couldn't justify it based on total cost of ownership in 2022, eventually I want to daily a 911 but after working for a few years. Thanks for the reply@@Rennthusiast
Great video Will, did't see your comment post, but will add this...as an air-cooled and Boxster S owner, they really create different but equally fantasitic driving experiences. Enjoy what you've got, and as your one commentor said.."Fuggem"
I have owned all models and each does their own thing well. Fun on the streets-boxter/cayman hands down. 911-track and car shows. Love them each for different reasons.
I have a Boxster, and belong to the PCA, there are a lot of Boxster owners in it. There are a few 911 owners that kinda come across as tolerating Boxster owners.
My brother has a 944 he is currently setting up for Auto cross. I considered doing the same, but he has been slow to finish this project because of yacht racing seems to be more fun for him.
1.) 1948 Gmund convertible was a mid-engine car. 2.) I don't think Porsche ever came out and said they were underpowering the less expensive model because it would canabilize sales of the more expensive model, but it was always reported in the press. However, one only has to look at the engine in Caymans - only the GT cars are close in power, or greater, to the base 911. 3.) Didn't you start Rennthusiast by banning water pumpers? LOL 4.) I had three 996s (each body style) and none of them get the respect that my 356 receives. Let's face it, there's a lot of snobbery in our clubs, but all of the cars are great! Small wankers - that's very funny, but it should be small willys. A wanker is a jer__-off.
And are these people who snub other people's Porsches actually adults? Snobbery in any field seems infantile to me, though it exists. I would wager that there is snobbery in just the 992 segment. If one of these jerks has, say, a.GT3 RS, S/T, Sport Classic, Dakar, etc., would a base 911 make the grade? I wonder if the oneupsmanship is what enables Porsche to charge what they do for special models, PTS and Sonderwunsch. I have nothing against these things in and of themselves, though.
You are right on the money. Snobbery exists within the 911 community itself. Have a 911 S/T or 911R? You are now the coolest kid in school and can pick on just about anyone else.
You are definitely missing the point in some of the last comments.. Cayman/Boxsters only really existed since late 90s/early 2000s, so of course nobody had a Boxster poster growing up.. duh.. However there are plenty of us that had a 550 spyder poster growing up…
Boxster came out around 1998 which means a 26 year old (now) could have (not) had a Boxster poster on the wall growing up. I have seen a 26 year old own a 911.
Had a 944, then a 986 base Boxster and now a 997S. Love them all. They all have their own special qualities. The only thing is that I found both the 944 and the Boxster underpowered but they fixed that now with the latest models. The truth is that people will never admire the Boxster as much as the 911 prestige wise because it is always seen as the entry level sports car. It’s the same with both models if you own the base Boxster or 911…owners of the S will think they are superior to you and so on. I had a guy at a stoplight ask me when I was in my Boxster, “why not the S?” 😁
I think it’s becoming more known now with Porsche doing ‘poor man’s 911’ ie lightened models with less power eg 992 Carrera T. Also I’ve noticed base models 981 perhaps because it’s lighter produces more average cornering g’s than the S or Gt4 models. There’s the lightened 981 Spyder as well. In a lot of these models you can get more performance just by selecting options such as light weight buck ts and Pccb. People should be less critical of the models of Porsches. There all great
Not gonna lie. 996.1 owner. Virtually just a boxster. I still feel this entitlement and elitism. I do give hate to them. I just think the 911 is the dream. I think it's all settling if it's not a 911. I honestly think if you're getting a boxster just get a miata. The gt4 gets a pass and the the cayman to a point. I also have to say again as a 996 own it makes no sense to own a 944 924 914. They're starting to cost as much as a 996.
At Lime Rock during ALMS racing, the pits are wide open to spectators. I took my time looking over the GT class 911's and guess what? They're Caymans with 911 bodies. Their excuse is that it is for aerodynamics but I'm well aware that the engine in front of the rear axle makes the weight bias so much better. The reason Porsche has kept the Cayman lower powered than the 911 is because if they were equal, the Cayman would trounce the 911 out on the road course.
I talked to a pro driver who has driven both the GT4RS Clubsport and the GT3 Cup car, both with same engine. He said Cup car still faster with pro driver.
4 cylinder Cayman S owner here. My car gets a ton of hate online. If I met these online people IRL, I doubt they’d say the same things they say online to my face. A lot of these people have never driven one and are just parroting reviewers’ opinion about the engine sound.
I am an air cooled 911 enthusiast. I’d be lying if I said I don’t look down on the water cooled cars even the ones that are are 2-3 times the cost of mine. I hold absolutely no envy towards those cars .
Have enjoyed your videos, and enjoy your topics, but really do not like the cut in clips of generic B-roll (by B-roll, I mean "generic guy shaking his head" or, "guy hitting bat on hand"). I would honestly rather watch B-roll of old clips you might have never used. Not meant as an insult, but thought it took away from your great content.
Oh, no offense taken and I appreciate the feedback. I guess I would just say that my audience retention data (what percentage of viewers watch the entire video) has increased since adding in a variety of different footage and imagery. Again, though, I appreciate the feedback and I also appreciate your support and your taking the time to weigh in.
If you grew up always wanting a 911, and then bought a 718, you settled (for whatever reason). I settled when I bought my first Porsche, a 944,; I grew up obsessing over 911s. If you discovered Porsche as an adult and gravitated toward a 718 for its own virtues, then congratulations on owning a dream car. It's all about where you started the journey. For me, anything other than a 911 was settling. I've owned 2 (still have one of them) and now I'm considering a 718 as a daily driver and am looking for a good quality 944 to add to my collection. Our PCA group supports and encourages everyone, no prejudice or shaming here (even toward the Cayenne and Macan owners).
At least in our PCA world, some Porsche owners may have 911s, Boxsters, AND Caymans, frequently the latter are their track vehicles. I've owned all three. A 987 Cayman was my first Porsche and the best car I ever owned, my 718 Boxster S served me well for 7 years when I was leading our drive and dine committee (no better spring, early summer or early fall sports car, though on rainy days I wished I had a Cayman), and now I love my 992 Carrera T. All great examples of what Porsche can do. The Boxster and Cayman are the best handling Porsches, period, but I will admit the unique driving aspects of the 911 (probably less so now than in the past when it was even more rear-weight-biased), when you adjust to them in autocross, make you a better driver. I only wish I had autocrossed the Cayman and Boxster when I had them. To be honest, the only people I see that denigrate the mid-engine Porsche platforms as somehow lesser Porsches are west coast people and the British car media. And maybe Porsche themselves for a long time, trying to deliberately keep the 987/981/718 platform from being faster and more capable than the 911, at least until the GT4 was introduced. I think the GT4 RS changed a few peoples' minds, though. And to be honest, it was much easier getting an allocation for a Carrera T than a 718 GTS 4.0.
My PTS GT4 was more expensive than a lot of 911s. I have both a 718 GT4 manual and a 992 GTS cab PDK and love them both in different ways and for different reasons. Very different experiences, which is why I like the combo. I get it, though, because I admit I do turn my nose up at the SUVs, even the Turbo GT.
Interesting comment by Martin H about the GT1 being a Porsche “Holy Grail”. Two points: 1. The street-legal version (and some race versions) had the original “fried egg” headlights, that also draw scorn from some 911 owners. 2. It was actually more like a Boxster/Cayman than a 911 because Porsche engineers knew that its mid-engine layout gave performance/handling advantages.
I have a Boxster and my local Porsche group has been great. Most of the 911 owners came from Boxsters, Caymans or 944s. Very supportive group.
If it helps, us 911 owners can remember that Ferrari owners think of us as driving glorified VWs
but they are driving a fiat 😂😂
@@ravenmaster6364 Ferrari Was never originally owned by fiat and spent a small period of time owned by fiat. Get the facts straight.Ferrari is way above Porsche.
I’ll never forget what a wealthy man said when he was discussing cars. He said he would never buy a Ferrari due to the “wanker factor”. That always stuck with me lol.
You don't want to own a Ferrari. Why? Because as aerodynamic as they are, their drivers, who are bald, are even more aerodynamic.
@@MichaelBrown-pg5dy If it helps, some of us Ferrari owners also love Porsches.
Your OP has however brought out posts from others that let the wider Porsche community down with childish and tribal comments.
People who give you crap for a Boxster simply haven't driven one. The 718 Spyder is the best driving car there is. Straight up.
Cayman owner here. Great car. Very likely more car than can be enjoyed legally on the streets. 👍
The only shade I ever get, as a launch year 986 owner, is from non P-car owners. People who haven’t experienced the brand but have opinions on it don’t matter to me.
If you own a p-car, cool, your opinion is valid, if not, keep walking 🤣👍
I’ll add to this One personal opinion. If your friends or car guy group look down on your car, you need new friends or a new car group. Doesn’t matter what car you’re driving if you’re part of a passion. They need to respect that. That goes for Porsche as well as any other brand. Some people in the car community can be toxic and there needs to be more of a bro code because most non-car people hate all of us. 👍
Agree. The only person who ever gave me crap about owning a Cayman instead of a 911 was some douche on reddit who didn't own any Porsche.
I've never gotten shit from anyone within PCA. As a matter of fact, I'm friends with someone who wants to sell his 911 so he can buy a Cayman.
@@heelntoe3982 same 👍
I’m a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 owner, plenty of P cars of all vintages here in the Bay Area.
Owners sometimes hang out with other owners who have similar vintage cars.
But I usually get a nice comment because of the 4.0 engine and the FrozenBerry Metallic color.
I could care less what anyone thinks of my car, I love driving her and that’s what matters
Amen RE who cares what people thing
That 4.0 and color is killer!
Nothing to be hassled over. The Cayman and Boxster GTS 4.0 are awesome looking, and the engines are delicious! Good for you!
Only the rich douches who buy a late-model 911 as their first Porsche look down on "lesser" models... those of us of more meagre means who worked their way up through 924s, 914s and air-cooled 911s when they were cheap (and who are now driving 996s) accept all Porsche sports cars as equals.
The SUVs, sedans and EVs can stick it though. 🤡
As a 996 owner, I look down on no one, because, well, 996 owner. BUT, there is absolutely some hardcore snobbery out there, although that's present in EVERY hobby and all walks of life.
I'm a 996 owner and a hater of everything porsche makes that's not a 911.
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Transitioned from 981 Cayman S to 992 Carrera GTS. Both manual. I loved the smaller size of Cayman and mid-engine handling. 911 bigger but shrinks around you as you get to know it. Power of GTS is unreal, but also miss naturally aspirated Cayman engine. Love all Porsches. My experience has been that it is typically non-Porsche owners that judge based on cost from a spectator position, rather than true enthusiasts and owners of the marque.
What wasted energy, we should all focusing on the people we should be looking down on, Macan and Cayenne drivers
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Yes, I have experienced this. Not much, but it exists.
My first Porsche was a Boxster. I sold it to buy a 911 (997.2 C2S 6M), which was awesome. But I sold that too, to buy another Boxster (981 GTS). Which I love even more.
So I’m in the “They’re all good - shut up and drive” camp!
It’s like the Harley guys looking down at Sportster riders. Hey Sportie! 🤣
Just bought an 02 Boxster S for$6500
Be my fifth one
Never had a problem with any of them
Always kept them for a year or two and usually made money on them
Ultra cheap fun
Love any 911 but I’m an Uber cheap bass turd
Putting my money into my 2 240z card
I’m 6’6” and use a shoehorn to get into the Boxster
Usually call the fire department to get me out
Sometimes car cliques are like being in high school again. Life is too short for that kind of crap, especially with such a great car.
One of my friends went from a 911 to a Boxster and said he preferred the Boxster because it was a better handling car.
986 Boxster and 996 GT3 owner here. I think the one I'm driving at the moment is the best one then I get in the other and I think it's the better one... Both great cars we are all lucky to have these cars.
I have a 2003 Boxster S. My car is amazing I don't give a rats ass what anyone thinks. Would I buy a 911, maybe? Would I most likely switch my Boxster for another Boxster? Definately.
More than a few buddies gave me “WTF” look when I bailed on a 992 Carrera S order to get a 718 Spyder.
As a weekend/fun car…it was a no brainer. Better suspension/handling, brakes and (IMO) motor, rarer, and a bit less expensive.
Definitely get shit, but the real ones get it. The ones that don’t, don’t matter.
Thank you for this great video. I own a 996 C2 and 981 Spyder, my 5th Boxster of all generations except 718. I've previously owned a 996 TT ( this one - ua-cam.com/video/r_8WEV2UsX0/v-deo.html ) and a 997 C2. For me the 981 is really where it's at and the 981 Spyder is the sweet spot. 991 and certainly 992 are not what Ferry Porsche had in mind. Next 911 I get will be air cooled as these are really where the Porsche ethos is...not GT cruiser 992 !
I really don’t understand people who look down on others in general. What kind of person are you?
that's not true. We throw shade on overweight Macan owners who wear Porsche shirts. If a 911 owner throws shade on the Cayman/boxster, then THEY are the posers. It is hard not to respect the heck out of those tiny roadsters. And we'll miss them when we are all driving golf-carts.
I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s watching racing with my dad. Porsche 911’s were winning races. There were no Caimens or Boxters at the time. I wanted a 911. I had a 911 poster on my bedroom wall. After graduating in 82, Alpine Porsche had a radio sales event where they advertised a “drive a Porsche” event. My girlfriend at the time and I got in the car and drove up and there was no way they were going to let some kid drive a new 911. The oldest 911 on the lot was a 1970 and they gave me the chance to drive it, after some begging on my part. That drive changed my life. I knew I was going to own a 911. Fast forward 30 years with wife and kids. My wife and I were having one of our cars, a Cayenne, serviced and they were out of Cayennes and they gave us a Caimen for the day. So we drove it up Pikes Peak and had an absolute blast in that car. The handling was magnificent and I dint think it was any slower than the 997 S I drove up a few years earlier. Also a loaner. I bought a 911 after the kids were out of college and that’s the car I always wanted. But I think the younger generations may well want the mid engined cars over the 911, just because they are exposed to them. I think they also need to see them winning races. I like both the Caimen and Boxter, but those are not the cars I wanted growing up. I think when we older 911 diehards are gone, there will be less bias against the mid engined cars.
To anyone thinking about a used 911, I will offer the following suggestion/recommendation: Go and test drive some used Caymans as well. I have found that each generation Cayman is just as capable, and just as enjoyable, as the previous generation’s 911, Especially when you compare the 987 Cayman to the 996, or the 981 Cayman to the 997. If you can live without a sunroof, and without that “briefcase compartment” that Porsche calls a back seat, then the Cayman can offer more pure sports car value than an older 911 in the same price range can…JMHO
True. To go one step further, often comparison within a single generation actually favors Boxster/Cayman. For example, over less than perfect tarmac, I find the ride and handling of a 987.2 significantly better than that of a 997.2. It's just physics, 997's employed a very stiff rear suspension to keep the heavy tail in check.
I own both a 718 Spyder and 997 Carrara S convertible, and could not care less what people think.
If someone talks down on the Boxster or Cayman it just tells me they have no idea what they’re talking about.
I’m a 911 owner that wants to own a 718 spyder.
I guess it depends on how the current 911 owners came into the brand. Those who first bought Boxsters/Caymans (then transitioned to the 911) probably won't have any animus towards them. However, those who jumped directly into 911's might. But, at the end of the day, I think the brand is exceptional, regardless of which model. Yes, some models have known issues, but the same could be said for pretty much every manufacturer...
The 911 is the definitive Porsche. That said, there is more than enough room for all the other Porsche's, whether they're the older front engined 944/928's, the SUV/CUV's like the Cayenne/Macan or the mid engine Boxster/Cayman's. They're all great cars and I embrace both them and their owners. In fact, I've owned most of them myself and enjoyed them all.
I have a 2010 911 997, a 2001 boxster s, and a 2018 bmw m2. The boxster s is the most fun to drive by far. Don’t hate!
Any Porsche is better than no Porsche
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Fun informative video in context of this Rennthusiast video.. Btw, at 10:32 min it's explained how Porsche tuned down the Cayman/Boxster to not outperform the (flagship much more expensive) 911 model..
I started a local run group a few years ago and none of us look down on Boxsters. We’ve had a handful join our group and never heard that talk. It IS a thing online imho. For ME, the 911 is my fav Porsche, 996 is my fav 911. I like the Boxster Spyder a lot, but I LOVE my 911😊
I have had some 911 owners who have not been rude, but have been somewhat dismissive of me having a 981 Cayman GTS. Others have been totally friendly and welcoming. I chose the 981 because I enjoyed the driving experience and size more than a recent 911, which did not feel as nimble or quite as much of a sports car to me. Overall I have found true Porsche enthusiasts to be a great crew!
I’ve had “snobs” who are so much into their “rear thrust” cars, snort in disdain at my beautiful Baltic Blue 944s2 Cabriolet. I’m mature enough and comfortable in my own skin (after five decades in the military and law enforcement) to not give them any concern. But….I would be lying if I didn’t admit to some “rear or mid-engine” envy….in fact, I’m on the fence right now between buying a 911 or a BoxsterS. I do enjoy your “say it like it is” videos.
Thank you for watching and for the support. 🙏🏼
After Uni I promised myself one day I would buy and own the 928. AS of now I have now owned 5 of them, 3 x 924s2 Turbos a couple of 944s and how many 911s??? NONE not a single one !! But that is about to change after all isn't a Cayman 80% original 911 parts? Maybe but I also know a 997.2 is 100% 911 so yeah finally I can say I have owned a proper Porsche !!
I’ve owned five Porsches and currently drive a 981 Cayman GTS. Someone (not a Porsche person) saw me with the car and asked if maybe someday I could “handle” a 911. I explained that I sold my 911 to get a Cayman, and that as a nationally certified HPDE instructor I could probably handle most cars.
Maybe I was a douche, but it felt good.
Want to stop all this 911 vs ... pull up in your 356 ... you now OWN the event ... ROCK STAR status at any Porsche or other car event !
Seriously ... just observe, ALL people walk right past ALL of the wankers/wanta-bees and really stop/talk to you about your 356 !
You asked for something that shows the Boxster is intentionally dumbed down. This fellow lays it out. YTuber Jeff Richardson, “Porsche does not want you to know this”. Roughly 11 minutes in explains how they dumb it down.
I have been in my local Porsche club since my first 87 924 S. Since then have owned a 79. 930, 82 928 S, 89 944S2, 86 928 S, 89 928 S4, 87 944 and lastly my 2003 Speed yellow Boxster. Have never had any negative comments from our club members. Perhaps I have simply been lucky!
That some water-cooled 911 owners are looking down on Boxsters or Caymens proves that it's just Snobbery, plain and simple. These cars are mechanically very similar.
Just purist tribalism. It doesn't make it right, but I suppose that it is the human condition. As a former Boxster owner who now owns a base water-cooled 911 with - gasp - a PDK - I still catch subtle shade from the WC and the manual-or-die guys. I loved my manual Boxster, and I love my Carrera for different reasons. Put me in the kumbaya camp...let's just drive our P-cars and enjoy it.
Cant stand 911 people. Had 5 models at once. Cayenne Turbo, 987 Boxster S, 997 C2, Panamera Turbo S Executive, and 981 Spyder. Sold everything but the spyder and the turbo s. Last to go was my 997, which I traded in for a Lexus LS. The spyder is all I need and the panamera is for the wife
Love my first Porsche. A 2014 Boxster 981 2.7 PDK. I've have it for two months now. Thinking about a PSE. Love the car.
At least the 911 crew grudgingly acknowledges Boxster/Cayman models as Porsches. Show up to the Cars and Coffee Porsche section in a Panamera/Taycan/Macan/Cayenne and they will tell you to park with the general public. I used to have a 991 Carrera S and the GT3/GT3RS crew would look down on my car as well. Human nature shows us that everyone needs someone to feel superior to, I guess.
The Ugly Truth About Porsche early water cooled Ownership: You're Gonna Get Hate From all Porsche Owners. I came from a 914 and than a air cooled 911. I drove a Boxster at a dealership and 996 and said the Boxster has a better transmission, since I stalled the 996 a couple of times lol....Now I am back in a 996.2 Targa and I have to say there is a lot of clueless people who own any newer 2015, even the air cooled crowd is now look down on any Boxster or 996...I choose my 996,2 as a daily driver vs the Boxster....I feel I made the right choice as the Targa is more unquie than the Boxster and has more room for daily living, love both cars and I always honk as other owners as a sign of respect, we are driving the most hated Porsches, ever lol
As a Porsche outsider, looking in. It always seemed to me, the “911” purchase is the, fulfilling a goal, then, you by the Cayman as the “fun” let your hair down experience.
Like, they’re a package deal that compliment each other, and since you have both, haters be damned.
We wouldn’t have the 911 if it weren’t for the Boxster. We probably wouldn’t have either now, or at least not the level of innovation, without the Cayenne and the Macan.
This support allowed the Carrera GT and 918. R&D is business.
I have a 981 GT4 and all pcar owners have been super cool. It never ends, if you have a boxster why not the 911? Oh cool you have a 911, why not a GT3? Why not an RS? Why not a GT2 etc. run what you brung and enjoy life.
I have a 996.2 911 (that I love) and was told by someone (by their own admission) who has never owned/driven a Porsche, that it wasn't a real 911 because of the headlights. I then said (among other things), "So I suppose you're one of those knobs that reckon a Boxster/Cayman isn't a real Porsche either?" He said, "No they're not." I was going to suggest that he should perhaps at least drive one, or both, before having an opinion. I thought better of it. Why waste your time with an oxygen thief? "I said, "Good talk mate, see ya." I'd have either in a heartbeat. I've driven quite a few Boxster's and there's plenty to love. Haters gonna hate.
i own a 2021 C2S and a 2024 Cayman GTS 4.0. both r spectacular nit definitely different. The judgement is real and i kind of get it as the 911 is iconic and every other Porsche made is pretty much considered the car u buy if u cant afford a 911. whatever. o certainly feel different driving the 911 than the Cayman, nut the Cayman is actually more engaging car for me. probably because of the 6 speedanual
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I experienced exactly the opposite at a local gathering.
I was the lone 911 amongst some Boxster / Caymans……and they were less than interested in including me in the “pop-up” gathering.
It really doesn’t have to be this way, folks !
This overall is such a good conversation to have and you really could go into the weeds. I have a 987CS and it's my first Porsche. I was parking at a Cars & Coffee and a nice Air-Cooled parked next to me. We were close, when I got out, I was just checking my door and the guy in the 911 asked very rudely, "Did you hit my f*cking car?" Screw you man! I care about my car just as much as you care about your car. I don't know if I'll ever get anymore more than this and I feel like it's a reward for my hard work. I can respect your car, but please respect mine. I'm glad you're in a higher social-economic bracket than me. Perhaps someday I'll get there, but for now I'm happy and I love what my P-car does for me. I wouldn't trade it for yours. To piggy-back on this, I see the all the mechanical issues that go along with m9X engines and I wonder why there's not more cost-effective solutions. Why is PCA not actively working to find solutions? Guess what community, if you kill access to affordable cars, you will slowly kill interest in your community. There needs to be access. I'm not advocating that it's a gimme or easy, just saying that it needs to be there. If you're not bringing new blood in, then what happens as the old guard passes? If we all love these cars as much as we say we do. If we're truly passionate about what these cars can do. Then we need to support all of them and find ways to keep them around. It'll be a sad day when m9X-engined vehicles disappear. Show me a modern Porsche with more curves than a 987 Cayman. Truly beautiful!
I could find a artist who could paint a much better picture of a woman than Da Vinci ever did. But the Mona Lisa has 500 yrs of history behind it and all that that entails.
Heritage is good part of the experience and 911's are The Porsche, the other models ride on it's wings. I paid extra (sacrificed more sweat and toil) to a part of that, I don't look down on people as a rule, but I will always view 911's with more respect than I will ever admire the other models regardless of their performance.
The 718 spyder broke the world’s record for cones/handling. A 911 could not ever do so regardless of modification or investment. Mid engine is superior to rear engine for quite a few things. It just is hampered by slow, horrible tire technology and am the issue of cooling location. 911 is fast due to friction force on the rear wheels + poor current tire technology.
981 Boxster PDK Base Owner here. Experienced it a few different times. Even experienced it with a Panamera owner as well. It's really sad. It has steered me away from PCA in Minnesota because of the snobbery that I've experienced.
I honestly couldn't GAF about what anyone says about my Cayman. The day i can pay for something with someone else's opinion is when I'll care.
Funny how this type of thing only happens with car enthusiasts. Like eating their own. I don’t think Honda Accord owners look down on those who drive Civics. Or do they? Like hey Civic owner, you couldn’t afford an Accord eh?
The same is the case for those of us who are 928 owners. I’ve owned both the 911 and 928 and find the 928 a superior vehicle overall in comparison with 911’s of the same era. I loved my 911 but the 928 is a much better daily driver, more comfortable, and actually out handles a 911 due to the almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution. It’s a VERY underrated vehicle! I love both models but prefer the 928 overall.
Air cooled 911 and 718 cayman owner. It like my kids, love them all but they are all different and I appreciate them all in their own way.
The guys who look down on boxster owners are stretching to afford their 911s. Drive what makes you happy.
I own a 968, and even some Porsche owners don't know what the hell it is. Non-Porsche people sometimes think it's an all new model. I myself see another one on the road maybe once every two years. No hate from the 911 community tho, just mostly apathy.
i own a 996 and 3 986s..... love them all but want a cayman..... my ? is.... can i swap drivelines and make my 911 into a cayman?
the body lines on the 911 are objectively appealing to the human eye. it’s instinctual. the same cannot be said of the cayman, and certainly not the boxter.
I own both a 981 Cayman S and a 992 Carrera T, both great cars and frankly people in the local PCA aren’t rude or ignorant of towards either or any of the Porsche cars.
I reckon the mid-engined cars are the smarter buy, but there's always someone out there who's got an opinion about the model, generation, colour, transmission, number of cylinders, the engine cooling, modifications and so on. And most of those opinions are worthless.
The opinion is definitely out there, however these people’s opinion means nothing to me. So I ignore them, small narrow minded folks, whose opinions say more about them than it does me.
People do the same thing to 914 owners. BTW when the 914 came out in 1970 it beat all the 911 cars at Lemans.
Not 996 owners, We understand being looked down upon and are a lot more accepting of anything with a Porsche badge.
Great point…there’s been derision towards 996’s for a long time, but I think there’s a recent respect and affection for them: ua-cam.com/video/wYse1JLfF5k/v-deo.htmlsi=7pqRKxdSVeObVTcX
Idea for a video, I was wondering what you think about the influencer/trust fund crowd moving from Lambos to 911s, Porsches used to fly under the radar but it seems like everyone wants one, and it did 2 things: priced out the cars for average enthusiasts, and turned them into status symbols rather than driving machines
I think Bring A Trailer played a huge role in there somewhere as well. Makes me sad that regular driving enthusiasts have been pushed out of many brands and models that used to be within reach. Too easy for a drunk rich dude to bid up an SC to $70K that used to be $30K before the pandemic and before BaT got really big.
I agree, the prices in 2021 far exceeded their values in BaT auctions. I was looking into Caymans but I couldn't justify it based on total cost of ownership in 2022, eventually I want to daily a 911 but after working for a few years. Thanks for the reply@@Rennthusiast
Great video Will, did't see your comment post, but will add this...as an air-cooled and Boxster S owner, they really create different but equally fantasitic driving experiences. Enjoy what you've got, and as your one commentor said.."Fuggem"
I have owned all models and each does their own thing well. Fun on the streets-boxter/cayman hands down. 911-track and car shows. Love them each for different reasons.
I have a Boxster, and belong to the PCA, there are a lot of Boxster owners in it. There are a few 911 owners that kinda come across as tolerating Boxster owners.
Put a 911 engine in a Porsche boxer or cayman the Porsche boxer or cayman will be faster than the 911.
As a deeply appreciative Cayman owner, I try very hard to not to look down on 911 drivers. 🤣
Had lots of VW’s, Audi, BMW, But never owned a Porsche. Thinking about getting one.
My brother has a 944 he is currently setting up for Auto cross. I considered doing the same, but he has been slow to finish this project because of yacht racing seems to be more fun for him.
Wife wants a Cayenne 😣😞🤮🤬
Best video you’ve ever done btw!
As an owner of both, I'll say that the Boxster is the definitively better driving car.
Love my 987 Boxster S. Don't care what anyone else thinks.
I've owned both. Still will always say the Boxster was way more fun to drive.
I’ve never had hate from a 911 owner only broke boys driving Kia’s lol
Well, people who are a snob other people for their choice in car are really only interested in status...
The really should limit Porsche sales in the south to Boxsters and Caymans.
1.) 1948 Gmund convertible was a mid-engine car. 2.) I don't think Porsche ever came out and said they were underpowering the less expensive model because it would canabilize sales of the more expensive model, but it was always reported in the press. However, one only has to look at the engine in Caymans - only the GT cars are close in power, or greater, to the base 911. 3.) Didn't you start Rennthusiast by banning water pumpers? LOL 4.) I had three 996s (each body style) and none of them get the respect that my 356 receives. Let's face it, there's a lot of snobbery in our clubs, but all of the cars are great! Small wankers - that's very funny, but it should be small willys. A wanker is a jer__-off.
lol all great comments.
And are these people who snub other people's Porsches actually adults? Snobbery in any field seems infantile to me, though it exists. I would wager that there is snobbery in just the 992 segment. If one of these jerks has, say, a.GT3 RS, S/T, Sport Classic, Dakar, etc., would a base 911 make the grade? I wonder if the oneupsmanship is what enables Porsche to charge what they do for special models, PTS and Sonderwunsch. I have nothing against these things in and of themselves, though.
You are right on the money. Snobbery exists within the 911 community itself. Have a 911 S/T or 911R? You are now the coolest kid in school and can pick on just about anyone else.
You are definitely missing the point in some of the last comments..
Cayman/Boxsters only really existed since late 90s/early 2000s, so of course nobody had a Boxster poster growing up.. duh..
However there are plenty of us that had a 550 spyder poster growing up…
Boxster came out around 1998 which means a 26 year old (now) could have (not) had a Boxster poster on the wall growing up. I have seen a 26 year old own a 911.
Had a 944, then a 986 base Boxster and now a 997S. Love them all. They all have their own special qualities. The only thing is that I found both the 944 and the Boxster underpowered but they fixed that now with the latest models. The truth is that people will never admire the Boxster as much as the 911 prestige wise because it is always seen as the entry level sports car. It’s the same with both models if you own the base Boxster or 911…owners of the S will think they are superior to you and so on. I had a guy at a stoplight ask me when I was in my Boxster, “why not the S?” 😁
I think it’s becoming more known now with Porsche doing ‘poor man’s 911’ ie lightened models with less power eg 992 Carrera T. Also I’ve noticed base models 981 perhaps because it’s lighter produces more average cornering g’s than the S or Gt4 models. There’s the lightened 981 Spyder as well. In a lot of these models you can get more performance just by selecting options such as light weight buck ts and Pccb. People should be less critical of the models of Porsches. There all great
For the record, it's common knowledge that the first Porsche-badged car - 356/1 - was mid-engine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_356/1
Not gonna lie. 996.1 owner. Virtually just a boxster. I still feel this entitlement and elitism. I do give hate to them. I just think the 911 is the dream. I think it's all settling if it's not a 911. I honestly think if you're getting a boxster just get a miata. The gt4 gets a pass and the the cayman to a point. I also have to say again as a 996 own it makes no sense to own a 944 924 914. They're starting to cost as much as a 996.
How about a Boxster Spyder? Do you feel like that deserves a pass also?
We look down on cabriolets, not boxster/caymans. Boxster 981 topdown carving through roads on beautiful day. 🔥
P.S. this is a joke.
Try going to a Porsche event/Cars and Coffee in a early 996 with the real fried egg headlights.
911, Boxster and Cayman owners look down at you 🤣🤣
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Porsche owners are fastly becoming Ferrari owners.
At Lime Rock during ALMS racing, the pits are wide open to spectators. I took my time looking over the GT class 911's and guess what? They're Caymans with 911 bodies. Their excuse is that it is for aerodynamics but I'm well aware that the engine in front of the rear axle makes the weight bias so much better. The reason Porsche has kept the Cayman lower powered than the 911 is because if they were equal, the Cayman would trounce the 911 out on the road course.
I talked to a pro driver who has driven both the GT4RS Clubsport and the GT3 Cup car, both with same engine. He said Cup car still faster with pro driver.
4 cylinder Cayman S owner here. My car gets a ton of hate online. If I met these online people IRL, I doubt they’d say the same things they say online to my face. A lot of these people have never driven one and are just parroting reviewers’ opinion about the engine sound.
I am an air cooled 911 enthusiast. I’d be lying if I said I don’t look down on the water cooled cars even the ones that are are 2-3 times the cost of mine. I hold absolutely no envy towards those cars .
I used to feel the same way.
Yeah most shade is from non car enthusiasts or non P car owners
I have both 911 997 and Boxster 987 spyder and love both. Spyder is a keeper.
For sure. I drove my 981 Spyder today. Gorgeous weather, top down, PSE on (of course).
Any Porsche as long as it is not EV or hybrid.
Have enjoyed your videos, and enjoy your topics, but really do not like the cut in clips of generic B-roll (by B-roll, I mean "generic guy shaking his head" or, "guy hitting bat on hand"). I would honestly rather watch B-roll of old clips you might have never used. Not meant as an insult, but thought it took away from your great content.
Oh, no offense taken and I appreciate the feedback. I guess I would just say that my audience retention data (what percentage of viewers watch the entire video) has increased since adding in a variety of different footage and imagery.
Again, though, I appreciate the feedback and I also appreciate your support and your taking the time to weigh in.
Well, thanks for that interesting piece of info. All for whatever help your vids. and subscribers grow.
If you grew up always wanting a 911, and then bought a 718, you settled (for whatever reason). I settled when I bought my first Porsche, a 944,; I grew up obsessing over 911s. If you discovered Porsche as an adult and gravitated toward a 718 for its own virtues, then congratulations on owning a dream car. It's all about where you started the journey. For me, anything other than a 911 was settling. I've owned 2 (still have one of them) and now I'm considering a 718 as a daily driver and am looking for a good quality 944 to add to my collection. Our PCA group supports and encourages everyone, no prejudice or shaming here (even toward the Cayenne and Macan owners).
At least in our PCA world, some Porsche owners may have 911s, Boxsters, AND Caymans, frequently the latter are their track vehicles. I've owned all three. A 987 Cayman was my first Porsche and the best car I ever owned, my 718 Boxster S served me well for 7 years when I was leading our drive and dine committee (no better spring, early summer or early fall sports car, though on rainy days I wished I had a Cayman), and now I love my 992 Carrera T. All great examples of what Porsche can do. The Boxster and Cayman are the best handling Porsches, period, but I will admit the unique driving aspects of the 911 (probably less so now than in the past when it was even more rear-weight-biased), when you adjust to them in autocross, make you a better driver. I only wish I had autocrossed the Cayman and Boxster when I had them. To be honest, the only people I see that denigrate the mid-engine Porsche platforms as somehow lesser Porsches are west coast people and the British car media. And maybe Porsche themselves for a long time, trying to deliberately keep the 987/981/718 platform from being faster and more capable than the 911, at least until the GT4 was introduced. I think the GT4 RS changed a few peoples' minds, though. And to be honest, it was much easier getting an allocation for a Carrera T than a 718 GTS 4.0.
My PTS GT4 was more expensive than a lot of 911s. I have both a 718 GT4 manual and a 992 GTS cab PDK and love them both in different ways and for different reasons. Very different experiences, which is why I like the combo. I get it, though, because I admit I do turn my nose up at the SUVs, even the Turbo GT.
Interesting comment by Martin H about the GT1 being a Porsche “Holy Grail”. Two points: 1. The street-legal version (and some race versions) had the original “fried egg” headlights, that also draw scorn from some 911 owners. 2. It was actually more like a Boxster/Cayman than a 911 because Porsche engineers knew that its mid-engine layout gave performance/handling advantages.