Even as a kid, I was offended by movies and shows aimed at children that talked down at me. I hate the mindset "it's for kids it doesn't have to be good" because my favorite movies when I was a kid were more complex stories with real characters and good writing
Same. I grew up mostly watching foreign entertainment from all over the world. While there is dumbed down content internationally, most of it is more mature and thought out than the adult continent in the US. There are some exceptions in the US, from drama (live tv) like Battlestar Galactica to cartoons like Owl House.
Genuinely wish they kept G5 in another universe. Having it connected makes it feel like writers weren’t confident enough with it standing on its own so they had to include G4 lore in order to further entice former bronies.
Honestly yes. The legitimacy of the “leaks” and concepts were just so great when they were around, it could be big wast, a different world, a different story. But they had to take the safe route, which just makes it seem like they didn’t have confidence enough to make something completely of their own, wordlbuilding on their own. Which is honestly a shame because there are just so many different routs to take with a show like that, which can still work. But unfortunately it just became a “same world just timeskip and different characters, but remember to bring up old characters every time we can”. I suppose we had too high expectations believing they’d come up with something completely original. But then again it also shows how good G4 actually was, in terms of story and world building, that the creators of G5 is scared to try something new, because it’ll pale in comparison and potentially won’t attract the same type of popularity.
@@bulletcola7890 oh yea ofc I’m not saying they were limited on what they could do because of g4, and obviously with Sunny’s powers and the villain alicorn they are taking their own creative liberties. I was just saying I think having twilight connected to it was their way of appealing to the old bronies, and I think considering how different this world is, having it in anyway connected to g4 was a little unnecessary
As a nanny who’s been forced to watch multiple different kids shows, G5 is feeling very reminiscent of some of the kid shows I’ve watched where they have basic characters with basic plot lines that don’t bother to go above the bar because it is-as mentioned before-a kids show. G4 is very near and dear to my heart because it did go above the bar. It had endearing characters, good chemistry in the relationships, solid writing, fleshed out villains, consistent world-building, and a unique visual style! It managed to balance out darker themed episode with fun episodes. It upsets me to see that they’ve dumbed down the newer show and modernized it so much. In my opinion, kids shows tend to underestimate children’s ability to enjoy well developed content. A good show aimed at kids should also be enjoyable by some older audiences, too-because that is the mark of good storytelling. But again, that’s just my opinion.
One of the worst things in existence is that notion that kids cartoons should have absolutely basic scenarios. You end up, as a kid, bored out of your goddamn mind. Trouble is, all the really grown-up stuff is about boring things like relationships or betrayal and they blow each other up a lot and sometimes even Nice characters DIE and that's scary for a kid - but this "kids" stuff is just dumb. I'm small, not dumb, I can follow a complicated plot if it's coherently told. I watched Terminator 2 when I was, like, five, and I completely understood the plot and motivation of the characters, except the guy that licked Sarah, that was stupid for the little me, but still I understood that it's, like, danger, and he's bad. So the kids show that actually go above and beyond to deliver ACTUAL story always stood out for me. That's what I always loved about, say, Disney and Pixar cartoons. Lilo and Stitch, Toy Story, Bug's Life - all of them have real plots, with complicated characters who may be even not all black and white!
When I think back to the 80s, I can only praise a superior art style (basically anime lite), but when it came to characters & plot, the substance just wasn't there. A man used to show me the awful crap his daughter made him sit through, Barbie movies, Tinkerbell movies, G3.5 ponies. Absolute torture.
but why does children's media have to appeal to adults? why can't kids just have something for them? why do we adults need to center ourselves in children's media?
@@megsley - In fairness, not all kids media requires adult appeal. That being said, children aren’t children forever so it’s always nice that there’s something to return to when older.
@@robin0135 oh yeah, her hair is great. It has that “cold-hearted elegant queen” kinda look. All they have to do is de-saturate the magenta + make it a little bit more purple and it wouldn’t clash NEARLY as much 😭
I think the enigma of ponies holding objects is more apparent when they are 3d models and don't have the benefit of leaving the holding process up to the imagination.
Yeah and with the 2D format, the arms/hooves can bend and curve in ways that helps it feel like it makes sense while G5 is too close to realism anatomy wise for them to pull it off ig
As someone who loved G4 and Twilight herself, I'm pretty much concerned that this generation would possibly ruin her character more just to give the new main characters their heroic moment. Her sealing away all the magic from ponies is already out of character since she never even thought of that before when things got hectic in G4. They could've just made G5 a completely different generation just like what they did with the previous generations, and I feel like they would get more freedom into what they input in the show without thinking about the continuity of G4.
Sealing away magic, I could totally see Twilight doing. If she was left on her own with no supervision or input, then she would definitely do it as a last resort to save all ponies from destruction or slavery. Twilight was an alicorn that basically lives for a very long time, she would have outlived the mane 6, maybe even lost her brother and other important characters in battle, left to fend for her own. Twilights nature is chaotic if not kept under control, or while under stress. This part of the storytelling, I can get behind.
My problem is that none of the episodes had any sense of danger or urgency. The heroes hear Twilight's warning and they just... go about their lives as normal.
It's a-symptomatic with what I've dubbed the Netflix Approach. Namely, without the restraints of traditional TV meaning that new viewers would be lost by a continuous story when episodes are aired out of order, companies are using it to go the whole hog and tell continuous stories ala Game of Thrones. Power Rangers is doing the same thing and it's probably not a coincidence that both it and MLP are owned by Hasbro and are also airing on Netflix. They're trying to build a grand narrative but are struggling with both the fact that the season is twenty episodes long which makes having a continuous arc difficult combined with the fact they're mandated to have at least some filler episodes to get used to the characters. Power Rangers has managed much better since it has always been an episodic show so they're kept the same approach and sprinkled in a larger ongoing narrative. This is a good example of how combining filler and a larger overarching plot can backfire.
I couldn’t even bring myself to continue watching after episode one of Chpt 2. It just doesn’t make any sense anymore. Like where’s the plot? Where’s the part where shit begins to happen. No, it’s all just “friendship lessons”
I think the reason why G5 feels so watered down compared to G4 is because G4 was created by someone (Lauren Faust) who was an actual fan of the franchise growing up. Lauren based the characters on her old Mlp toys, and created a show that kids and adults who grew up with the Og mlp could watch. G5 doesn’t have that same level of intimacy, It feels like it was made by producers and corporate executives who viewed MLP as a toy for little girls, and nothing more. Hopefully when G6 (I say when because we all know hasbro is going to keep mlp around) comes into fruition, it’ll be made by someone who grew up with G4, and carry that love into the iteration, the same way that Lauren carried her love of G1 into FIM.
G5 100% got into the hands of people who just see MLP as nothing more as a lifeless series for little girls and Hasbro just further wanting to milk the series. Lauren Faust had such genius writing IMO and I hope one day it gets into the hands of someone who cares about it as much as she did. We can see from her My little pony can be something amazing, that potential just hasen't been used like it has been since she left IMO
Never was a brony, but I remember feeling very sad when I learnt that Friendship is Magic was ending. I've always associated the show with the early 2010s when it was at its most popular. You couldn't go anywhere on the Internet without coming across at least a handful of annoying bronies. Even if I wasn't a part of the fandom, I can think of many other things I was enjoying at the time, and I still occasionally find myself pining for those days. For me, FiM represents a time in my life I often wish I could return to, and that makes me sad.
I never really watched a lot, but the few episodes I saw, it was very competent, especially for flash animation, and didn't talk down to its audience, except maybe the end of episode summary. Certainly a lot better than a lot of kids shows now.
Fun fact: I'm pretty sure FIM was (either one of the or the) last animated show from the 2010's that was still going, with it truly came an end of an area. oh and also it ended 2 days after it's 9th anniversary.
a thing that i've noticed art style-wise: the color palettes for All of these new ponies are just Too Bright and Too Loud. lauren faust knows how to use colors and palettes to make all ponies (even background ones) have some sort of personality! the mane six are extremely recognizable just based on their color palettes alone. you could make a minimalist background with just pinkie pie's colors and fans would still recognize it as being at least inspired by her colors. with these new generation of ponies, everyone has these bright, clashing colors or colors that are just too similar to each other so nothing pops and everything looks like a mess of randomly generated hex codes. part of this is also just how colors can look on 3D rigs vs. on flat 2D planes. its much, much harder to map specific colors onto models and get them to look right than it is to just color pick and drop onto 2D rigs. however, it IS possible to make them look good, the show just doesn't have the budget
I think some of them have decent color palettes, but majority don't. Like, Izzy's palette works I think. The blue isn't too bright, or similar to the purple, and it's bright yes-But dull enough to not be an eyesore. I like Zipp's palette, mostly because trans pony aha, but Hitch & Sunny's colors are both a little too bright, and clash. I think if they gave sunny a deeper colored mane & dulled her coat a little it would've looked better. Hitch.. Needs his colors toned down. He needs his yellow toned down a touch. The green needs to be dulled a bit. Pipp's pallette on the other hand, blends too much. Her coat or mane should've been shifted. Coat lighter, mane darker, or just different colors. Don't even get me started on Mr. Big Mac Lite but worse. The red/yellow combo can be done well! But not like that! But another thing is, G4 has more colors because of cutie marks. They've got about 5 colors each, if not more, where G5 has at most about 3 each. Making their palettes too generic.
All of them are way too bright, and way too saturated. They need to tone the colors down significantly. Opaline's colors actually hurt to look at too long.
I wasn’t big into MLP:FiM but I watched 2 or 3 seasons and deeply respect all the world building Lauren Faust did and how a show for girls wasn’t just boring and stereotypical mush.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 From what I recall, she did season one and a good chunk of season 2. It was late Season 2-ish where she was beginning to let go of the reigns, with Season 3 (A.K.A; The bad one) being the first one where she was completely hands off. Nitpick aside, MLP certainly was a wild ride while it lasted.
Another thing!! It kinda bugs me how its set in modern day and the main characters are teenagers (obviously theres nothing wrong with that) but they kinda stretch the whole "hashtag relatable!!" Thing, i like how in g4 the mane 6 were more matured, they made an adult cast do surprisingly well for a kids show! Another thing is how in g4 every character had theyre own signature companions, personalitys and roles, for example- Twilight- smart, independent, and has a companion which is spike Fluttershy- shy, kind and nature loving, and has a companion which is the bunny (i forget his name) Rainbowdash- confident, outgoing and energetic, and has a companion which is the turtle (idk whether to count scootaloo because rainbowdash is scootaloo's role model) Rarity- fancy, proper and fashion loving, and has a companion (her cat and her little sister) Applejack- brave, honest, and strong, and has 2 siblings (i forget their names but they are iconic) Pinkiepie- loves to party, fun, enegergetic, and has a VERY iconic companion, the crocodile! HECK EVEN BACKGROUND CHARACTERS HAD SIGNATURE TRAITS FOR EXAMPLE- DERPY, THE VIOLIN PONY (octavia i think) AND THE HEADPHONE PONY! But the newer characters in g5 dont really have any signature traits, theyre kinda just a regular friend group?
In all fairness, G4 (like a lot of kids' shows) was vague about the Mane 6's ages, and tended to blend different age-groups together. Sure, the Mane 6 are responsible and have jobs and all, but... they also have (had) sleepovers, celebrate birthdays with the enthusiasm of teenagers, etc. Generally I respected the way the writers showed that children and adults don't have to be all-that-different, and that adults can still have fun, and all. Still, when compared to characters like Mrs. Cake, it's easy to see the Mane 6 aren't _definitely_ adults.
@@Mega-Brick The Mane6 are young adults! Characters like Applebloom, Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle are between their 15 (Diamond Tiara had mentioned having a quiceñera more than once, and that's a party girls have when they reach their 15), and I think Rarity mentioned something about being "Young adults" in a racing episode if I'm not mistaken. So while they don't have confirmed ages, they're somewhere between 20~27. But for G5 it does feel like they're younger than G4, so I would guess between 15~18
I like the show I just don't like how forced the connection between the 2 shows feels I think this would be better off as its own separate thing Edit: this is the real problem: A new reboot of a beloved series does NOT have to be the same as the last series. E.g. here, earth ponies have magic The sun and move move by themselves The dragon is now magic Cutie marks glow when a pony does their special talent The magic comes from crystals instead of being just magic All of these changes are stuff that fans could say "But that's not how it was in the original" But the thing is, it doesn't have to be But because Hasbro made the terrible mistake to say it's connected to G4, they gave the right to bronies to complain about all of this Because by saying that it's the same world you limit yourself to the rules of the previous show, but Hasbro wanted to make some changes, experiment with the possibilities. But you can't explore them without letting go of the past. And Hasbro tried to have it both ways, which just doesn't work You either, say it's the same world and stick to the rules of the previous show or you make changes but completely let go of the previous show.
I noticed that when it comes to callbacks to G4 in G5, they just throw it in there and don't ever really explain it. For example, in the episode where Sunny and Hitch trade cutiemarks (a.k.a the stolen plot point for the royal sisters in G4) a random filly reading a book says to Sunny "Oh! Im reading a book about a tree with elements!" and Sunny is like "oh, tell me more" and then they just never bring it up again. It just felt so abrupt and unsatisfying
That might be why it stinks tbh. Up until now, every MLP gen was basically separated from each other. Gen 4 was absolutely amazing because it could be its own thing with different characters and lore. This new series is trying to connect to it and make things different ):
I worked on this series as an fx artist up till the second special (not out yet.) There are so many flaws I wish you could see. QC for comp is just… ugh. Some of the animation does not line up with the fx because they updated a anim shot and didn’t bother to re-cache the fx shot so they matched. A lot of us artists worked hard to make fx and comp just rendered out a lot of it. It makes us look bad, and you can’t stick your shots it in your demo reel because it looks lazy. Lots of bones to pick with this show. Grateful for the opportunity, but a big slap in the face.
@@darreldarrenman3334 the story is not a great one, and it does not seem to get any better. I was only contracted for season 1 and the two specials. A can’t really say a lot due to the NDA, but it hurts to watch this show. It feels like the directors went for a quantity over quality deal.
@@amfrog The first special felt like it didn't even have a director, it was so badly put together. That has at least improved it up to "generic cartoon" status, which is still sad of course. I find it watchable at least when I have no desire to put myself through that special again. In comparison I watch the movie quite often and the show still feels like very watered down generic interpretations of the ones in the movie. :(
Lately, the whole "I'm going to eliminate Magic and to hell with the consequences!" sure seems to be the go to solution for magical princesses/protagonists to solve all their problems.
@@patotive4704 At least it didn't cause all the magical creatures to die this time! _Unless some of the pegasi were flying at the time she casted the spell._
Well, nuking out the problem seems to be the answer showrunners come up with when they introduce themes of segregation to seem more progressive than they actually are, but struggle to show the slightest bits nuance or actually challenge the viewers by exploring solutions, which is fair I guess, who are they to try to make a protagonist who actually “picks a side”? Of the top of my head I can name few kid’s animated media that did this though, SVTFOE, MLPG5, HTTYD3 (this ones kind of weird in that I will admit) and mayyybe Frozen 2? So I’m hoping we don’t ever have to see this plotline again, at least in such a dull way.
@@Light-ro5bp it’s so strange they decided to nuke magical creatures/ magic to show segregation between ponies when… they already had themes of segregation even in the original show? For example with Zecora or the changelings and even more pony hybrid characters as well as amongst the pegasi, earth ponies, and unicorns themselves.
What gets me was just how promising the movie was. It didn’t pander to young kids, hell it was heartfelt, the part where Sunny misses her dad was genuinely sad! It was so good! And then there’s the series. What *happened*
I’m wondering the same thing, because I went into the movie with low expectations, and came out having high hopes for the future because of how good the movie was. The show is ironically (and disappointingly) exactly what I thought the movie would be. Like where’s the knowledge quest about what happened to both the magic and Equestria that was the main thrust of the movie, and what I logically presumed would be the main thrust of the series as well? If you’re going to set it in a future version of Equestria, then why not take advantage of that?
@@Ebalosus I mean, this isn't technically the show/ series, from what I understand this is some kind of "taster" or whatever for the ACTUAL G5 show, which I'm hoping actually tries to see what happened. Though as most people said, the show at it's core was never about the Lore and it was about the type of episodes we see in the series already (random events and stuff). As for the in-world excuse for not going on an epic lore revealing quest? I dunno, too busy figuring out how magic works and making sure the town doesn't explode if the characters leave? Though you'd think that Twilight's message would've kickstarted them to try and go out to figure it out. I expected her message to be at the end of the series teasing the start of the show where they go on a quest and stuff.
@@johnadams7145 Well I'm kind of confused about that now. I can't really tell if this is supposed to be the real show or not. If it isn't, I definitely hope we get some more info about the proper show soon. But if this IS the actual proper show... well, they say MLP G4 only got really good after a few seasons.
I agree. Similar to many others I had low expectations for the movie only to come out really liking it. I had an aching suspicion that it wouldn't go well for the tv series, since starting out with a movie is already a very risky move. My feelings were confirmed when MYM came out (haven't seen TYT yet) and everything had lowered in quality. And oh my god. Izzy's voice actor. She's fine for the most part but I find Izzy so obnoxious now instead of the fun, friendly, bubbly type she was in the movie. It's really disappointing to see. There was a lot of potential there but unfortunately I feel this is the case for a lot of movie-first-show-second situations.
The character assassination of Twilight, the idiocy of the characters, bringing modern technology into a fantasy world, having an alicorn villain (I thought being an alicorn was supposed to be something earned, something that was an incredibly rare thing that came from acts of great power, kindness, love, ect. - with Flurry being the only *born* alicorn, and Cozy having cheated her way into it. How did Opalescence become an alicorn? Why is she an alicorn, but not a princess? Becoming an alicorn pretty much automatically meant princess status in g4. I can't stand useless baby characters that basically just exist for people to go 'aww' at and to get kidnapped or need babysitting or whatever as a plot point, too. Skipping this series for sure.
Why does it feel like G5 is a buncha recycled or unimplimented ideas that would work in G4 but is instead taped to something which bills itself as something different? _Also good god these spam accounts are so aggravating no I don't want to click your virus-lookin link nor prune you from replies_
the dragon is also a plot convenience button. need something to disappear? baby dragon. need some cutiemarks switched? baby dragon. theres no consistency to how his magic works and they change it all the time depending on what the plot needs
Went straight from “cutesy, adorable cartoon” to “uncanny valley 2.0.” I’ll never understand why everything must be cheap 3D animation these days- Oh. Right. Cheap.
Ah, ah, ah... LAZY! Not cheap. LAZY! I am clearly seeing on this that no one on this series, or maybe even this generation is caring the slightest about even trying to make it GOOD. I think already, this G5 is doomed. Maybe not necessarily to the point where G3 was doomed enough to be turned into uncanny valley demon babies, but still, pretty doomed. Like, I see this one little spark, that will become the massive fire that would probably take at best, G5, and at worst, the entire franchise, down into a smoking husk of ashes.
Since I looked at Neflix and am seeing that even they don't seem to give a crap about G5 anymore (or animation, considering they cancelled "Inside Job" and "Deep End" for that matter), I am probably leaning towards saying the fire might already be happening. I just hope the franchise can make it out alive, but considering Hasbro is already selling eOne, if somehow the whole franchise does go up in smoke, we're not going to let the impact of Lauren Faust's magic and MLP: FIM go down in flames too! And you know what? If it means to let G5 flop, so be it! Survival of the fittest, y'all! Survival of the fittest!
Yeah, they could've made it a multiverse sort of thing that maybe could've worked. Then find out somehow the multiverses are connected or something and had to bring harmony to them all.. idk. There is lots that could have been done with the premise.
@@asdfoifhvjbkaos Indeed, though until S9 Equestria Girls was treated as deuterocanonical at best. Then Sunny pony showed up in the not-really-finale-but-imho-worked-better-as-a-finale (up until the last 2 minutes but that's another rant). Comics had even more universes but they are non-canonical per Hasbro. Though from S7 on they tried to make sure the comics didn't actively contradict the show.
@@blacksesamecandies To be honest, I'm kind of tired of this whole "multiverse" thing that's going on in media. Why do they make a big deal about it? It's just either AUs or alternative dimentions, it's not such an original and cool concept! And why do everybody call it "multiverse"? Can't you all come up with a more original name?
shows like Samurai Jack, Phineas and Ferb, and Avatar: the Last Airbender are proof that you can make shows for kids that are still enjoyable for adults. It pisses me off that so many soulless corporations just think "minimal effort, the stupid kids don't know better" and just churn out the same garbage that's going to be consumed and forgotten almost instantly because that's the cheap, safe, short term profitable solution, instead of putting more energy into something that will stick with kids long into their adult years while still being relevant to an older audience.
Treating your audience like adults is somehow a revolutionary concept. Adult animation is absurdly childish, and most programming for kids is brain dead.
@@andrewgreeb916 In an interview with one of the writers for Friendship is Magic, there's a very neat quote; "You don't write to kids. You write good stories, and that brings viewership." I love that quote. And it's just... so bizarre. That's a quote that you know comes from someone who cares about what they're making, and I just can't imagine anyone writing for Make Your Mark saying anything like that.
Another kids show that's enjoyable for all ages is the OG Thomas the Tank Engine because it didn't talk down to kids and Mattel turned the show into the same generic crap as most kids shows nowadays, jumping off the tracks and being voiced by kids is NOT the Tank Engine I remember and will never be my Thomas
the comic revealing what went wrong was like "Immediately after the scene in the last episode with Twilight, the entirety of the pony race went OOC and all the lessons and progress of all the previous seasons were meaningless. The other pony tribes and different species? Fuck em."
heck to be fair that ''last'' episode of g4 felt ooc and you could of told me is was just one of Twiggys fan fics XD. so i just pretend it doesnt exist and that the show ended on the 2 parter! XD
Also yeah I feel like that's Hasbro going "OI OI OI This is a property about PONIES for LITTLE GIRLS get these other non-ponies outta here" but also "So uhhhhhh G4 made us a lotta money, modernize it and get a few lore references sprinkled in whatever"
I think 'Friendship Is Magic' ended with about as much dignity as you could hope for, and given the reputation of 'My Little Pony' being something clearly aimed at little girls, I didn't have high expectations for the new show ever living up to the previous show. Which is A shame because that set the bar pretty high.
The difference between Spike and Sparky is that Twilight had Spike since he hatched and that happened well before the start of the show so he had time to be taught to talk.
The other difference is that Sparky is a walking, talking, annoying merchandise price tag that sounds like a reject Bibble from the Fairytopia movies. His name doesn't even make sense…
For all intents and purposes, Spike was a character, Sparky was a plot device. Take any baby character in any animated show - the baby from Ice Age, Poof from Fairly Oddparents, the Cake Twins, or Flurry Heart. They all act... pretty much the same way; because they exist to cause problems for the main characters, to be annoying, and sometimes for the main characters to go 'aww' at. Heck, let's throw an oddball example into the mix - Fallout 4! Another baby, that exists as a plot device to drive the player, and only becomes a character when it _literally_ becomes a different character.
They’ve shot themselves in the foot on several occasions. Hiring Kimiko Glenn for the movie is in my opinion the biggest one. Her voice is so beautiful, iconic, unique, and all around irreplaceable. She has such a gorgeous cadence that her voice is synonymous with Izzy in my mind. Therefore, she is the most noticeably different voice among the main cast and it’s jarring. Then there’s the total disregard towards the lore, considering on multiple occasions FiM established that the world is basically doomed without magic. I was okay with the canon presented in the movie because that crystal artifact felt more like something that _already_ existed, and not something created by Twilight for some arbitrary reason. _And oh fucking god while we’re on Twilight…_ I preferred that in the movie, the original Mane Six were only vaguely referenced, and never by name. It felt like we could write G4 off as if it’s heavily modified historical fiction in the eyes of G5, but now we can’t. Twilight Sparkle _exists_ in canon. She was mentioned by name, her voice is there… and she DESTROYS the _ONE THING_ that is consistently shoved in your face OVER AND OVER again in G4; friendship and harmony _ARE_ magic. I know a thing or two about character building, and having watched Friendship is Magic multiple times since I was nine years old, I can definitively say that Twilight would _never_ let magic be broken like that. I wanted to believe that the crystals were separated _after_ the Mane Six were long dead. But Make Your Mark sat in the way of that headcanon, and now I can’t excuse this flaw.
Agreed. Izzy's new VA sounds absolutely nothing like Kimiko Glenn and it's to the point where I find Izzy incredibly irritating, when Izzy was my favourite G5 pony from the movie :/
Honestly, we don't know if the Mane Six were all around when Twilight did the thing, given she would likely have been immortal like Celestia and Luna are, outliving any other pony around. Though by that logic, you'd think Cadence would've been around to maybe talk some sense into Twilight unless she left with Celestia and Luna and never came back, leaving Twilight to make decisions that, while she has experience if it's been several generations, she's still a flawed person and can do impulsive things with good intention
@@ToHoldNothing Unfortunately, the recent episode with hologram Twilight has her in her younger form, which means the crystals were made before she got all tall, when the Mane 6 were still alive. Personally though, I'm taking this as a sign that we're looking at a split timeline. The series finale with Tall Twilight takes place in a timeline where Twilight successfully defeated Opaline with the Magic of Friendship, and G5 takes place in a timeline where the magic of friendship failed and Twilight had to resort to the unity crystals. Salty G4 fan headcanon? Maybe, but it does explain a great deal of inconsistencies.
I don't know why they bothered getting the famous people they couldn't afford to keep around for the movie it would of been much better to keep to the same voices. I liked the movie but the series sucks.
I remember growing very concerned when I found out Vanessa Hudgens would be voicing Sunny. Like, that seemed like it'd be super expensive when it's not even likely G5 would pull in the same numbers as G4. It's even worse to know that these celebrity VAs really WERE out of the budget and the audience had to get used to a huge voice cast change right out the gate.
It really sucks that G5 has to tie back to G4 because there are good concepts like exploring earth pony magic, that are really interesting. If G5 was just set in another world or universe, the writers could have a fresh start, and not have to focus on keeping continuity of this and this. The writes could focus on these new concepts without having to worry about pre-established lore and cannon. (And they also wouldn’t have to undo and ruin everything G4 set up)
Could even get away with establishing it's the same universe still but keep references to a minimum, like G4 was so long ago that it's events don't really have any bearing on G5 but constant reminders of the older better series is going to keep G5's identity in a shadow
It was fine for the movie, it set up so many questions where nearly anything could explain what happened over the long years. Heck- they could've just introduced the whole world as part of a separate continent from Equestria that used to be connected but drifted apart for some unfriendly reason. But they somewhat butchered the writing in the show and it makes me a lil sad. I think they just hopped the G4 bandwagon as nostalgia-bait and as a way to try and keep the G4 fans from leaving after G4 was announced to be ending.
That's the main reason I won't watch it. Doesn't matter if a show is decent if it insists on destroying the beloved legacy that came before it. MLP, Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, Rings of Power, I refuse to support any project that spits on its own heritage while simultaneously trying to stand on its shoulders.
The writing in G4 MLP was more sophisticated, better writing, that is why adults enjoyed that show so much. With G5 seems almost like a deliberate action to eliminate the adult enjoyment, to dampen the sophistication, tweak more for the kids.
Yeah that's how I felt too. I watched mlp during my preteen years but it's still very enjoyable to watch as an adult. This new generation just feels too quirky and childish, but not in a good way.
Which from a marketing standpoint, only hurts the product. One of the ways Disney manages to be such a juggernaut is by making movies/shows/etc for both kids and adults to love. If you the adults are sighing at every turn with a kids show, they are much less likely to interact with it. Sure the kid may think its great but will soon out grow it. Eventually, you run the risk of losing your investment. Your foot hold becomes lost. Now you have to either start of all over and hope that you can catch that lighting in a bottle again or fail trying.
Something I wanted to bring up was the lack of worldbuilding in G5. G4, from the first episode, established a wide world so every new location or character introduced just made sense, since the world was clearly so big. But for G5, it feels so SMALL. 😫
I agree with you. It all seems very small except for maybe the exception of Zephyr Heights. Because the races are separated again, there is no Cloudsdale or big royal Capital like there was in G4's first couple episodes to give it that scale. Hopefully as the story goes on it will expand, I would hate to be stuck with only the 3 locations lol
The issue to me, is moreso the way it doesn't make sense. See, we're about ten episodes into G5. Ten episodes into G4, we had a similar setup: an Earth Pony town, a Pegasi town, and a Unicorn town. (and one vague mention of Manehatten or Fillydelphia, can't remember which.) The difference is... G4 somehow made it work. And I think that's because G4 told us how it all fits together. We learn quickly that Celestia rules a nation, Equestria, and Canterlot is the capital. We learn that Ponyville has a mayor, and that mayor leads the town but technically answers to Celestia. We aren't told who leads Cloudsdale, but it's easy to understand they also answer to Celestia. With G5... what is actually the situation? We're led to believe that Phyllis is the mayor of Maretime Bay (though we're never told that), for some reason Alphabittle is the de-facto representative for Bridlewood (even though we've only seen him running a bar), and Queen Haven is... queen of Zephyr Heights. Or is she queen of all of Equestria now? We have no idea, because we're not told. Is Equestria one unified nation? Is it three separate nation states? No clue. And because of that, the world feels small. Like little, disconnected bubbles. It's hard to imagine a world beyond it, because we can't even imagine what we have as one whole piece.
My biggest issue is the fact they decided to make G5 and G4 a shared world when in doing so, that opens up A LOT of plot holes and makes the journey of G4 meaningless because it was all lost in a few years.
Yep. Biggest plot hole being the wendigos. How are they not all frozen to death unless Twilight's bubble that Opaline said was dropped over Equestria also somehow shields them from the wendigos? And does that mean everything else froze to death outside the bubble?
Ponies got sht wreck every other day, and the episode of the book of harmony/diary of harmony, dnt remember the name, show how stupid they were as a society, all make sense
One of my beefs about the movie was that they had modern tech and seemingly, the Internet, but none of the races interacted with each other and harbored bizarre stereotypes about one another. That magenta pony's design is truly grotesque. It looks like they tried to shoehorn a caricature of a real person or somebody's fursona into the show.
I only watched the movie and I don't even remember half of it, but I feel like the cutiemarks are really underplayed. They were a symbol that could quickly be tied to a character and they also told you something important about that character. With the 3D animation, I feel like you can't see it clearly most of the time. This could have been a fun opportunity to change up the cutiemark style into something that's bigger than an image on a flank. It could have been something more complex that takes up more space on a pony like vines wrapping around the legs instead of a picture of a leaf. Just anything to make it more visible honestly. (Sidenote: G4 had something really good with easy to comprehend character designs. The 2D aspect made it easy for kids to try and replicate that style in their own art. Not only that though, the mane 6 were basically a rainbow of colors. They were a set of ponies that could really appeal to kids. The designs in G5 may be cute but they don't fit together the same. There's too much orange and blue with a sudden pop of white from Zipp. There was more balance in G4.) (Also I'm not even going to go into the Twilight thing. I'll just get too mad at the character suicide of her.)
They could've made the cutiemarks sparkle like glitter. Or reglect more light like velvet or metal Just a texture difference for them to always have an starkling difference to the rest of the fur, changing up some numbers for that texture in the render should do it.
I still have no idea what their cutie marks even are because I can't see them. They really needed to make them pop more, and be on both sides so you have double the chance to try to make them out. Or better, since there was apparently no magic, they shouldn't have had cutie marks at all, and that be part of what reappears when the magic came back.
@@annienunyabiz6627 Completely! Cutie marks are literally magic! Why do they still have them? If they can get cutie marks I feel like Pegasi should still be able to fly, even if it’s just gliding or something.
They're trying to make it important in scenes where they glow, which I suppose is better than the potential problems where they can be identifiers, but they can also be reductive of their identity, like they can't do anything else when they can, even if it's not as good (like Hitch making smoothies). Wondering about Misty especially, since I'm getting a vibe that this is an inversion of G4's story, since Misty would be the Twilight Sparkle parallel, just with twists, like how she doesn't have a dragon (maybe she'll get one or some other animal companion) and the alicorn princess she's under is evil
It's very odd for them to show Twilight in her regular form when G4 ended on her being a big tall Princess. Overall feels like they could have done more and made things make more sense if G5 was unrelated to previous versions.
Did you know some people did not like Twilight's final appearance as a big tall pony. They thought she looked too much like Celestia, a recoloured Celestia for that matter. I also find it strange Twilight would grow that big within twenty years when Luna who obviously of course lived way before Twilight got around never got such a dramatic growth spurt. Its also a shame Equestria did not continue to have a royal family who would keep the land and ponies in harmony too. You would think Twilight would become really long-lived like the royal sisters and be able to rule for ages , which makes me wonder how long G5 takes place after G4. Perhaps this means Opaline is way more powerful than what has been shown and is the reason for the division of Equestria and the loss of magic. If so that would be a really epic opportunity for the show. Just a few thoughtss...
The vision given by Lauren Faust truly made G4 stand out, and straight up saved it from being another subpar marketing ploy meant to cater to infant children. The writing was rich, had depth and was trying to convey stories, with overarching plot lines and characters that were likable, relatable and had charm. G5 on the other hand feels neutered, feeling like a step back into that money-first-quality-after mentality Hasbro clearly likes to go for for basically any other MLP product that isn’t FIM. While I’ve enjoyed the first movie and the cast of characters (despite even those not being as good as FIM, IMO), everything subsequent to it failed to inherit the sheer sophistication that came with G4, something I foresaw before we even got the first glimpse of A New Generation. The magic, no pun intended, has been voided. But do I believe that we’ll ever get any good MLP content in the future, similar to G4? I like to remain hopeful, but unfortunately it looks like the current G5 will not take any of those stepping stones to embellish itself with the same coating its predecessor had. Here’s hoping someone out there will have the same epiphany Lauren Faust did.
Honestly as a kid going into teen and adult I actually wanted g4, sadly I couldn't afford a single dang thing due to prices being higher than a monster high doll
I do agree that so far overall FiM is better but I gotta as well written as FiM was for the kind of show it was, it was definitely not deep, did the show had some nuance moments sprinkled throughout the shows run absolutely but there was no depth, which is fine considering it doesnt need to have depth be a sucessful toy ad.
@@TheSultan1470 I never suggested she had a helping hand on the entire thing and I’m well aware she left early on in its lifespan. I was honing in the fact that she concocted FIM’s prime concept and premise to have a certain type of appeal, to which the writers that did work on the show afterwards kept the vision of. I’m currently uneducated on the specific ins and outs of who did what and who is who, but I do know that the team who worked on the show shared a similar passion and view Faust did.
And the show handled lessons I never expected to be geared towards a younger audience, like how to recognize the manipulative tactics of a cult who, despite seeming very welcoming, might plan on harming you.
i didnt like that they said Earth ponys are using magic for the first time(Even from Twilight). To me it seems like they could always use magic. It always seemed like they had a strong connection to the Earth( In Hearts Warming Eve a plant grow right away in their hoof) and some Earth ponies were a lot stronger(able to pull a train and a house). Tirek even absorbs magic from them.
But i guess earth magic/practical magic isn't "real" magic with big tomes and crystals, or. Something. I'm just trying to see their logic but man is it dumb. They probably straight up forgot about it.
At first I was like 'oh are they really going to delve into it and make it a more overt part of the show now? That's cool!' And then it was a 'no no this is totally a new thing, trust us' and I felt the worldbuilding crumble. If it's connected to the original series, which it is now pushing for, so many things I could brush off as them doing their own thing become annoying questions. Why haven't the wendigos eaten everyone yet? If earth ponies never had magic, what about all that magical stuff and why didn't everyone starve without the earth ponies' making up most of the farming or food industry? How did the others manage their own food and what was that like? Why does Twilight look younger than she did at the end of the show? Are Celestia and Luna still alive? Etc... But at the end of the day, like Saberspark said, I'm not the demographic they're angling for anymore, and as long as the kids are enjoying the new show then it's all good, they're not doing anything morally wrong. Earth pony magic was still always there though!
The biggest disappointment to me is Hitch. When the first movie released, he was my second favorite out of the main cast, but he feels so different in the show than he did in the first movie. Before, his personality was kinda like Flynn Rider, a little arrogant (but still not mean) and kinda a comic relief at the same time, but all his charm is gone. It's kinda sad how Sunny makes a better Hitch than Hitch does 😔 And the cocomelon dragon is an abomination The only character I think improved slightly since the original series is Pipp. She was mostly just complaining in the first movie.
spike was the best character honestly. they did such a good job of making him a funny character of the main cast that the other characters respected while also having soft moments where twilight and others treat him his age. adorable and i loved it
He was the little brother of the show: funny, annoying, loyal and had his own arc of finding his identity. Like the rest of the characters, he was very well written
@@nickimillenniumYes, to the point when I and probably many other people, could relate to one of these two characters. I'm like Twilight Sparkle to a degree and her interactions with Spike remind me sometimes of me and my younger brother. Especially when Spike makes sarcastic comments about Twilght's behaviour. 🤣
Animation wise, FiM was made with Macromedia Flash 8 (a very old version of Adobe Animate) while the Movie, the rainbow special and EG Summertime shorts were made in Toon Boom. Pony Life and Tell your tale was also done in this software but they definitely had a smaller budget.
Were the later seasons of FiM also done in Flash? I noticed that season 5 and beyond tended to have super detailed backgrounds and far more expressive animation.
The sad part is, anyone who says they like g4 more gets attacked now. It's been reduced to "nostalgia", and they keep getting told they can't move on or don't give g5 a chance, even though nearly everyone has seen both now. They seem to just refuse to accept some people prefer the g4 story better. I literally posted something about this earlier today actually, because it's rediculously divisive now...
You’re allowed to like the parts of the franchise you like, no one should tell you “you must like it all for your opinion to be valid”. I prefer 2 movies from G1 - that’s it, anyone gives you grief send them my way and I’ll tell them to blow off. 😊
i hate how the nostalgia arguement seems to be the main defense now for literally anytime someone compares an older work to its modern counterpart. obviously nostalgia can play a role in how someone positively perceives a work and sometimes people are simply blinded by nostalgia, but thats not always the case.
I haven't watched any of MLP but I feel for you folks cause this just gives me Star Wars flashbacks Don't let anyone tell you that you need to accept the new even if you don't like it, or that your criticism isn't valid because it's not for you / it's for kids. If you were a fan and stuck by this show, and now you don't like it, you have all the right to speak out about it and your opinion is valid
@@kvproductions2581 especially if the "kids" show is supposedly telling a greater story/message. Avatar is a kid's show, but it has an intricate story and people are allowed to critique it without the defense of it being "just a kid's show." Something like Dora wouldn't be open to the same type of criticism since it's plot and characters are meant to be very simple, to teach young children and pretty much only targets itself towards young children.
As someone who never really got into G4, I just wanna say that I don't think it's wrong to ask for more from a kids' show. Any show that can pull in more than its target audience thanks to high effort is worth praising, and will be all the more memorable when the kids that grew up on it look back on it. G4 put its absolute best foot forward, and was all the more popular for it. It was made to be more than just a commercial, it had integrity. We should ask that of every show.
Look at the 'kids' shows we got in the 90's, when for a short time Western animation took itself seriously. We got the ASTOUNDING "Batman the Animated Series". We got "X-Men". We got "Gargoyles". We got "Animaniacs". Everything about them was amazing, and they have stood the test of time. Now? Kids shows are utterly forgettable.
tbh kids shows DESERVE to have more effort. These are things tht the adults of the future are gonna be yk, raised with. Especially tht not everyone has good parents
@@Alondro77 you have chowder, tawog, craig of the creek, Doraemon, Wander Over Yonder, Jelly Jamm, and a million more the past is great and all but things rn arent tht bad either
This. There are SO many shows that I watched as a kid that I can still watch as an adult because they hold up for the adult brain. I can enjoy them now. Then there are the shows that got dumbed down and shortened so much that they are just not digestible for me as an adult because they are just so "little kid campy". I don't want shows I can only watch as a kid and enjoy. I want shows I can watch as a kid... enjoy as a kid.... and then SHOW MY KID... and enjoy it with them. Like it brings me so much joy to sit down and watch Coraline and HTTYD with my kid because I get to enjoy something I watched as a kid with him. I hope for the same thing for my kid. That the movies and shows he watches now will still be enjoyable and fun for him to watch as an adult with his kids if he chooses to have them. There ARE some kids shows already that I genuinely enjoy watching with my son like Octonauts and Wild Kratts. The Wild Kratts one especially cause it takes me back to watching Zaboomafoo as a kid. So I know these shows will hold up and still be fun for him to watch when he's older because I enjoy watching them with him. I don't groan and hope he will change what we are watching, I'm perfectly content sitting down and watching these shows with him.
I think that spark that you're looking for is the spark that Lauren Faust actually created in G4, because she said in an interview that everything she created and thought of was everything that she had created and thought of as a little girl playing with the G1/G2 figures that she had while growing up and remember a lot of the names from G4 Ponies were the only real connections to previous generations along with the dragon called Spike, she had created her own world and was passionate about it and she was happy to actually make that simple playtime imagination event a reality, which is why it seemed like it was so much better, because technically it was something that had existed long before it was a show idea for others to view, it was just a little girl's fun time with her imagination and then she became a woman, was able to trasform it into reality for others to enjoy. So G4 will always be the best MLP in my opinion, because it had true magic The Magic of a child's imagination you know the thing we lose when we go from child to adult, that vivid imagination once we become adults it goes away in reality kicks in, yeah that, however G5 seems like it's going to be an okay watch, in comparison to a lot of the other stuff on Netflix. I think everyone's biggest concern is that they had to make G5 tied to G4 which is something that's never been done in any of the previous G1/2/3 generations other than certain Pony names and a Dragon named Spike. but if Hasbro decides, and they have, G5 is related to G4 they kind of force a certain obligation to fans of G4, that if done wrong is going to destroy the G5 series, but if done correctly will actually help boost sales, so far it's looking okay but not really anything above and beyond but it is still at an early stage so they could improve upon it, but I have to agree with you the little dragon is kind of annoying in a way like Flurry Heart was, but he seems to be necessary for whatever they've got planned in the future of the show so it looks like he's here to stay.
Maybe the My Little Pony franchise would be better off without Hasbro getting in the way. Maybe it's time for Hasbro to let it go. Not destroy it at all! I'm not saying that. I'm more saying, to sell it off to another company, like Universal, or anyone, before they end up turning their ponies into uncanny valley demon babies.
@@davidhileman8567 Hasbro has actually been doing a good job on a lot of things, they're redoing Hero Quests which is to the exact near replica of the Milton Bradley version before Games Workshop took it over, minus a few things that they could not purchase such as the chaos word use, so it's now Dread, which is actually kind of Cooler because Dreadful in my opinion would be worse than chaos, chaos is just unexpected not necessarily evil but not really good either and I think they're doing pretty good on G5 compared to what others would do. Disney for example is a trashy company that has its hands in all other once separate companies, like Marvel, LucasArts, etc, other than a few things being okay I do not support Disney, so it doesn't really matter what they've got it's a company embedded with too much disgusting things in its history and I know at one time they tried to purchase MLP from Hasbro and Hasbro declined and I'm so glad they did, Universal is not that good of a company, they work with a lot of other too big to give a damn companies and have also been known for the Fast and Furious Fiasco that smuggled real weapons into South America, arming drug cartels, next thing you know they'll be smuggling dope inside Pony plushies. Hasbro has a good thing going and I'm pretty sure they could come up with a lot more things too like board games, video games, Etc. If you're upset about G5 for whatever reason it's barely started but it still seems interesting, give it more time. I don't really see why people have a lot of hate for G5, sure it's no G4 and never will be, but it's still better than having a franchise just sitting around collecting dust waiting to be used, the only problem is yes they did tie it into G4 meaning they've got a lot of responsibilities, people just need to realize if it's something you don't like and for good reason, then voice your concerns of criticism to see if it'll improve or not then move on, but if you hate it just because it's not exactly what you want and it makes you angry then go make something yourself that would be to your liking, I don't mean you personally I mean anybody who thinks or feels that particular way, most people have this entitlement syndrome nowadays that they have to get what they want when they want if there's any slight difference they complain I blame it on the participation ribbons people have had it easy so since there's no problem they have to create a problem just to complain, and I believe you're forgetting one important thing, Hasbro is a toy company, Hasbro has been great at making toys for many generations, even if it fails in movies or shows it won't in the toy industry, which is also declining because most kids now prefer electronic play items, over handheld physical dolls, toys Etc. Not sure where the idea of them selling came from, but I doubt they will because it's a money maker they still own the rights to the pony molds and I'm sure those molds are pumping out plastic ponies like crazy and that's making them quite a bit of money, would other companies like to get a hold of it? Sure, but would Hasbro be stupid enough to sell? I don't believe so.
@@sunboltgift711 Maybe I will give it more time, but if I had it (the money), I would probably bet at least 200 dollars that G5 will go up in flames by either the middle or the end of the decade. Maybe around 2026, or something. Then we'll just see if maybe Hasbro will put out a G6, which I would be pretty interested in checking out. Or maybe a continuation of the better G4, maybe where the ponies land in the real (live action) world, Pete's Dragon or Enchanted style. I mean, computers would make the job of putting even 2D characters in a live action setting easier than around the time of Pete's Dragon's release, when the PC industry had pretty much just begun, with the Apple II, and the TRS-80 (even all we had for home video games was the recently-launched Atari 2600), but still, computers were still quite rare, and they stuck with the harder (but still pretty good-looking) practical effects of the time.
One of the issues with 3D is errors become much more obvious. G4 had its fair share of errors, but the 2D style hid it well enough to ignore. Though I still have a screen grab of Roid Rage's brow detaching from his head and trying to float away.
@@Ebalosus Derpy is the original fanon name and was used as an official name until there was backlash. Alternative names that Hasbro used after were Muffins and Ditzy Doo, but most people still refer to her as Derpy.
@@PointsofData I know, as I’ve still got an original rip of _The Last Roundup_ where RD calls her that, and think the whole Derpygate thing was stupid.
I was so mad when Sunny (orange pony with the purple hair) became an alicorn at the end the movie. Twilight went through so much, SO much to get acknowledged and deal with all her and her friends and practically ALL OF EQUESTRIA'S problems to become an alicorn. And yea I get Sunny did too by returning the magic but like...it don't weight as much to me compared to Twilight. She got her alicorn privileges way too fast and they aren't even permanent!!
Only way that's gonna make sense is if she isn't a true alicorn, and it's just Twilight's alicorn magic manifesting and existing in her for a time until the Mane 5 free Twilight from wherever she's stuck. Then Sunny loses her alicorn status or gets actual wings cause she freed Twilight, and Twilight gets her magic back from Sunny.
@@annienunyabiz6627 Maybe a cryostatis type situation? Alicorns are immortal afterall, I doubt having no magic would of taken away her alicorn wings/ immortality as opaline remains, but if she was present modern day she would of heard of the crystals reuniting and come to the brighthouse? Maybe shes just dead and sunny is semi alicorn and has to earn the rest of the alicorness facing off against Opaline, who knows! an engima im waiting to see solved tbh
Growing up in the 2000's I am kinda surprised, that the trend of making a show just to sell toys is over, cartoons nowadays have actually compelling stories with complex well written characters
Honestly I’d say it was worse for a while if not still, we do see some really well written stuff but so many shows (especially reboots) are dumbed down for kids to the point where it gets annoying and not interesting.
It's not really over, all popular toy series nowadays have their shows (Rainbow High, OMG dolls, Monster High etc), except these toys are more popular than their own toys, while in case of G4 MLP the show was pretty much just as popular as the toys.
The big issue with 3D vs. 2D that's been bugging me is that it's more noticeable and feels more off when the ponies move in ways that a real horse couldn't without breaking joints. The G4 ponies had some of the same unrealistic movements, but because that show was 2D, it didn't look quite so weird. Aside from that, I think the visuals are pretty good.
Their running especially looks very weird. In G4, it at least had some resemblance to actual horses running. In G5, it's this weird loping gait where their head kinda bobs up and down in a sort of downward angle.
I don't know anything about the show, but just based off of the screenshots I don't really like their faces. There is something almost uncanny about the facial expressions.
@@blueflare3848 the EYEBROWS are terrible and the over stimulating colors… the ponies have no originality. the show was definitely aimed at small children. bc children make the company the most money..
I can kinda accept smartphones being brought in. As we know Twilight has been to the human realm several times. If they explained she created them, then I think it makes sense. An item to aid ponies that have no ability to use magic and keep ponies connected easily. Whether they implement it nicely or just cram them in sloppily is another story.
no need to go to human realm for improving technology, ponies arent stupid, they have scientists too! they can create their own technology in time. of course it will be like that
@@CptApplestrudl I sort of accept without issue since with fingers people still struggle and you have smart devices like Alexa or Google voice so they could probably have some sort of software also the buttons could be designed in a hoof shape
@@CptApplestrudl it’d be cool if the ponies’ phone equivalent was like an Apple watch bc then it’d make sense and you could make some cool bracelet designs.
Honestly, G5 shot itself in the foot by being a sequel to Friendship Is Magic. Not only will it be constantly compared to its predecessor, it will be forced to be shackled to the continuity established by FiM. There's still hope and hell, G5 might be able to salvage the dumb Grogar twist.
I remember watching an older generation of MLP on VHS when I was younger and very sick. The most intense plot moment was when a pony lost their hairbrush and thought another pony stole it. It was resolved within minutes. And the VHS was SEVERAL EPISODES long. I was so, SO excited and proud when FIM was created. And it's heartbreaking to see the series take this...huge step back. It's not entirely back to square one but...yeah.
That has to be gen 3. Gen 1 was more like FiM. Tirek/Tirak and Grogar came from g1 characters. And there was a Somnambula villain. Go watch the very first series, you might be surprised.
mlp g4 came out when I was 7 and I wholeheartedly rid the mlp train for a good 6 years until I stopped watching in the 7th grade. at the time, I felt old and watching mlp was like an embarrassing secret. it had never occurred to my 12 year old self that there was an entire section of the fandom ran by to much older (and sometimes weird) individuals.
Relatable lol, I watched In secret even though I *was* part of the demographic but it felt like a guilty pleasure type show. All of my cousins(older teens-young adult) liked it and I guess I didn’t wanna copy them? They were full on bronies and female bronies.
I feel bad for the Movie's voice actors. Celebrity voice acting is usually used as a marketing ploy, but this movie was an exception. Sofia Carson, Kimiko Glenn, Vanessa Hudgens, James Marsden, and Liza Koshy all delivered spectacular performances as their respective ponies. I even bought myself a toy of Pipp Petals, not just because I loved her design with her fluffy cloud wings, but Sofia Carson singing Glowing up was an absolutely beautiful experience. So When I heard that Everypony would be recast in The Make Your Mark show, I wasn't angry, just really really heartbroken.
It's not surprising in hindsight. There's no way G5 would be profitable if all the main cast was voiced by celebrities. I honestly think it was a mistake to hire celebrities in the first place- there are countless VAs that can both voice and sing for these characters that also wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to keep around.
Also, I think they should have used the Canadian voiceovers to begin with. Because there are more subtle ways to make money such as a Console Game for Equestria Girls.
Even as a casual fan of G4, I can say nothing in this series is ever going to live up to it. This franchise is a toy based cash grab at heart and I think G4 was truly lightning in a bottle.
It would have been so much cooler if twilight was the villain. She could have gone all nightmare moon because she outlived the others. Really dark, but really good. She could have like wanted all the magic so she could try to bring them back.
As much as i love that idea mlp has always been a kids show and always will be and the lore of it has never really been that big part of the story even back in g4
Damn that sucks but I had zero expectations for the new gen since the movie. I can only hope it gets better overtime and find it’s footing Edit (guys wtf are all these likes omg)
I sincerely lost interest in G5 long before it started. Particularly because of leaks which were pretty negative to G4 and because of the whole thing about using the same timeline while basically making all the lessons pf G4 null as if somehow nothing was learned from Twilight Sparkle by the next generations.
Sparky is literally Flurry Heart 2.0 (magical sneezing and all) except he’s more contrived and shoehorned into the plot. It amuses me how an “unexplainably born an alicorn” baby is used and written more wisely than an infant dragon.
I watched the g5 MLP movie. I liked a lot of it, though I much would have preferred a more nuanced and detailed look into the worlds they each were from, but I get it, it's a kids movie. The pacing was so fast I couldn't finish because they sorta stopped worldbuilding and started trying to move on with the plot too quickly for me to stay interested
Same. The movie was surprisingly good, and they really nailed the feeling that the world the G5 characters inhabit is one that has a lot of history to it, even if they don’t quite grasp it yet. The series on the other hand…
"It's a kids' movie". This is entirely the problem. The G4 movie was a mess, but it expanded the world with a scary villain from a place where slavery and corruption are commonplace things, showing a big world that wasn't all the same. The G5 movie just went "sunshines and rainbows and everyone in these three towns that are THE ENTIRE WORLD just THINKS bad stuff exists".
Yeah I’ve also a lot of mixed feelings about G5. It’s a step back in a lot of ways. G5 really feels like it’s a kids show, whereas G4 felt like a FAMILY show. The key difference being g4 is something that the parents could sit down and enjoy with their kids. I did feel some of the later episodes got better, so my hope is that the writers slowly get better and better as time goes on. I’m not counting on it or holding my breath, but it is a hope. Also…I really wish we could have kept the voice actors from the movie. They were wonderful and the new voices are….fine, but noticeably weaker. I’ve noticed a number of pretty flat deliveries and just….overall lackluster performances.
Sunny being extremely naive seems to be a character trait. Her plans depend on extreme jumps in logic and idealism, but she also has charisma that catches others in her insanity. We saw it in the movie and again in series. Zipp is the only character that seems to really think things through, but Sunny's enthusiasm still has the power to make her forget to think at times.
Yeah but Twilight also realized when plans failed, and granted she wasn't always able to solve things on her own, but she'd never let things get as bad as they did at the start of G5. Speaking of which, windigoes - where are they? G5 ponies should've frozen to death by now.
My biggest problem. What the h€ll happened to the worldbuilding? Ponyville, Canterlot, the Crystal Empire, Manehattan, Las Pegasus, Appaloosa, Yakyakistan, the Dragon Land, Seaquestria, Griffin Rock, Starlight's Town, Saddle Arabia, wherever Zecora comes from, the Changeling Hive/Kingdom. The EVERFREE FOREST. Discord's Realm. The Tartarus. The Dream Realm. And so on.
As a Transformers fan you get a very distinct feeling of understanding when Saberspark explains that a beloved character from a previous universe shows up as a mentor/hologram in an adaptation that would have been better as a standalone. Also, G1 being only one big advertisement (and the generations after that...) that good artists somehow got their hands on nd made something bigger and better out of
As someone who had a chance to work directly on something G5 related on an official capacity last year when working on the G5 console game, I had the privilege to see a good portion of the G5 movie many months early before it officially launched. It honestly hyped me up a ton, knowing there was such a high quality piece of media to open up G5 with, and I got very passionate in doing G5 right with the gameplay animation work I did. It set the bar extremely high, and I wanted to be as close to that bar as possible. But sometime down the line, I started to realize how our game project was just not on the same caliber as the movie. Like, not even close. We had only about a dozen people on average to work on this game for just under a year, in contrast to the Movie's many hundreds with many years to work on it. I'm pretty sure Atomic Cartoons with the G5 series is in a similar boat, just not to the absolute extreme. They do have hundreds of people working on G5 there, but they have to create several hours of 3D animated content per year probably, so time is still no doubt extremely tight. In retrospect, while I still absolutely adore the G5 movie, Hasbro essentially cursed G5 by essentially jumping the shark literally on its first go with the movie, and set up G5 to just decline afterwards. And of course not to mention that Hasbro definitely has, and always probably will only care if the series is good enough to appeal to kids that contributes to their toy sales. In that regard, perhaps its the right business decision, but an absolutely horrible artistic decision. I've talked to a couple people that have worked on the G5 series, and it's not like they don't care about the quality of their work, similar to the position I was in with the game. It's just the allocation of funding and time from the corporate heads that severely limit what the people directly working on these shows can do (as well as writing direction to an extent. It wouldn't surprise me if Hasbro pushed that baby dragon HARD to be included. G4 has a lot of moments where you can tell that "Yeah, Hasbro definitely tried to push this thing in to sell a line of toy merch", so it's not something that's out of the question in my eyes).
Oh hey, fancy seeing you here! Imo the game animations are way smoother and expressive. Pegasi do look like they're actually flying and not just awkwardly floating, and generally the animations feel more grounded in the world. Facial animations are higher quality and show a wider range of emotions. I work in gamedev though, so I don't have much knowledge about animation industry, the average budget of an animated show and the time constraints. Either way, I think you did an amazing job for A Maretime Bay Adventure and I am actually a big fan of your channel :)
@@Anvynn Creating a whole 3D series compared to a 3D game I feel is a lot more work, at least from the animation and rendering perspective. For games, you mostly have to work on a set of short but many gameplay animations, and if the budget allows, cutscenes too every so often. But for MYM, they will probably have to animate and render many, many hours of content per year, with more ambitious goals for what such a series should try to do visually. One thing to think about is how adding more characters per shot can start to shoot production costs extremely high should each of those characters require unique animation. Animation takes a lot of time, even with a lower quality standard. So having many characters to animate in a large portion of shots that fill up several hours of watchtime... It's a lot. This is just the animation side of things too, there's a lot more departments that go through similar workload strains.
You know Saber, I get this feeling you're a little ashamed of having been a brony at some point. I wanna let you know there's nothing to be embarrassed over and that I, as a (female) brony myself, respect you for your interests, new and old. I've been a fan since your brony days and they are a source of nostalgia and good memories for me. Keep up the good work and don't be afraid of what you like.
I always took his shame as fake, like his thing about not being a furry. It's always been just a bit to me. But if I'm wrong then you are very right. I was very embarassed about being a brony back in the day. As time's gone on I've realised how silly I was. I enjoyed a genuinely good show, with a genuinely good fanbase. Where's the shame in that? So I hope Saber hasn't really begun to feel embarassed.
@@TailsClock It could be an act, and I could see how that would be the case. But his tone felt a little too earnest for me to see it as just a joke, personally.
I don’t see why, because in a few years being a fan of G4 will be seen as someone who has patrician tastes in entertainment. I say that because as someone who joined the fandom before season 2 aired, I’ve seen the opinion of the [post-Faust] early seasons go from "unwatchable garbage" to "OMG this show *defined* my life back then!"
The thing I've noticed the most about the animation is the eyes. None of them look like their eyes are quite focused on anything, even when their faces show a lot of emotion. It's very unsettling sometimes I'd easily take back my complaint if I noticed any of their pupils contract and dilate, but I can't think of any moments where that's happened
I'm thinking it won't, I feel this is a low key hint by Hasbro to kinda tell all of us weirdos to hit the road, I'm 25 and I'm getting glances. even though mlp g4 has many hours of happy memories to reflect on, I think the "brony fad" is just that. all but the most loyal still remain and I think after the dust settles with g5, the bronies are dead. (That's a little glum I know, I'm one of the loyalist and I'm hopping ship onto something else once g5 is in full force. I'm only sticking around to see the shit show.)
The 2010’s saw Hasbro make its comeback, TFP and MLPFIM, and the toy lines, oh god the Toy lines (I will be referring to transformers, a lot) Generations, The Movies, Combiner Wars, Titans Return, Power of the Primes, and Masterpiece
Really good review. Really appreciate you taking the time to separate your feelings about g4 to get a clearer perspective on g5. It’s giving me the reminder to do the same myself. I agree that g5 did cause me a little heartbreak though. A shame to have to remember licenses owned by companies using art for solely business are prevalent in animation.
G4 came to me right as I entered my teen years. And as a childhood lover of G3, G4 instantly drew me in as a new take on the beloved franchise of my childhood. It made me happy, even as I grew up and was told I got "too old" for the show and it's toys. Those comments never detered me from watching though, and I watched it until the end. I even cried at the last episode. The G5 movie made me happy too, it was very cute and made me smile with its fun songs and cute characters. But it didn't do for me what G4 did, and it never will. I got into the first episode of the new series and I couldn't even finish it. The voices are different, they all feel dumb. I do not like it at all.
Honestly, I agree with what you’re saying about the smartphones. I don’t like how contemporary and technology-heavy G5 is. Makes it very dated and separates it further from the earlier generations. It would be better if Pipp were some sort of popular performer or musician since influencers are just a product of our time. Oh, and the fact they can carry things with their *flat* hooves and make them defy physics and gravity _bothers_ me. I also feel like it just takes away the escapism as well. The world of MLP was originally more natural and magical, which is the perfect escape from the troubles of the real world. Just shoehorning in gadgets and lifestyles that help cause these big problems for us in real life just defeats the purpose, and it’s likely those ponies have the same problems we do in real life. And the bad part: it’s not just them who turned tech-heavy. Several other non-fashion doll toylines that are marketed towards girls and were initially fantasy/more natural are becoming the same thing. All social-media centric and overly contemporary.
I think the problem of having technology is bigger than that. As it also becomes a hindrance for the plot. A smartphone is basically a GPS, a communication and recording device and an encyclopedia all rolled into one. A lot of fantasy tropes and adventures get instantly nullified by having smartphones.
@@juan0808 EXACTLY! It takes away the fantasy aspects! I was going to say that as well. Plus there’s a lot more dark sides to social media besides getting shadowbanned. There’s cyberbullying, dangerous trends, not to mention the Dark Web.
The main issue I have with the story is I feel like we're getting a bunch of subplots clipped together per episode that are resolved too quick rather than fleshed out plots. I especially feel like that Zipp's detective missions aren't fleshed out enough because they could be used for rich storytelling but they always end up becoming mini side quests instead.
That’s my issue with the show too. With g4 between the fleshed out season-long arcs and magic, I felt like I was like watching a pastel, animated version combination of Charmed combined with Power Rangers. G5 episodes on the other hand are so throwaway that I’m not motivated to watch
I really prefer the style of G4 overall. I dont mind 3d animation, but there was so much lost in the art and character design when they changed to 3d. Even with smth like the eye shapes. You can easily tell which one is Fluttershy based on how her eye is drawn but with 3d models it feels like theres a base model that they have to contort to (likely for toy making purposes) and with the hairstyles i was extremely fond of the iconic way the hair was drawn in G4. I feel like this was also because some of the more flashy hairstyles didnt translate very well (Twilight's hair didnt for me at least) and to make it more natural they just toned all of it down to match the animation. There's a lot of little things I'll miss that dont think they can carry quite the same from 2d to 3d such as the effects such as dust clouds when characters move too fast or really exaggerated expressions.
G5 has given me a lot of worries. It just kinda felt obvious that they want to capture the magic G4 had without actually doing what it did to capture our hearts in the first place.
I’m SO glad that someone agrees with me on the dragon. I HATE it. Not only is it ugly, but as you said, it doesn’t talk. Just annoying baby noises. Also, I’ve watched about half of gen 5 and it’s… ugh. Animation is kinda icky, plot is not interesting, and it feels very bland. I’m still going to finish watching it, but it doesn’t hold a candle to gen 4. Edit: the hair animation of Misty in particular is rough
G4 did something interesting tech wise where they sort of had a turn of the 20th century vibe Old enough where things still seem old (especially to kids (and many Americans) who don't have a good grasp of anything older than 30 years ago), new enough to still play with somewhat modern settings and tech (best example: Manehatten, which looked fun while still fitting)
With G4, Equestria was one of those places a lot of people would've loved to live in, much like the Wizarding World, or Star Wars. And it's easy to understand why; ponies are generally kind, there's cool magic and potions to explore, fantastical creatures, exciting adventures, and an old-timey charm - an escape from the hustle and stress of the modern world. And G5 somehow avoids all of that. Because of the focus on bigotry (and the occasional mocking viral trend), ponies don't seem any kinder than humans. Magic and potions aren't explored, with no sorcerers or apothecaries mentioned (we get one mention of a 'cloaking spell,' but otherwise unicorns have only used levitation with no interest in anything else), the only fantastical creature is a baby dragon (unless you want to count a poodle with wings as 'fantastical'), so far no big adventures (which is fair, slice of life is a valid and enjoyable approach... in a world worth being in), and the existence of smart phones brought all of the modern world's troubles into Equestria: ponies glued to their phones, ponies chasing likes and followers, ponies mocking you because they caught the perfect loop of you getting hurt on camera. G5 isn't a world I want to live in, and I have a hard time imagining anyone would want to be in it beyond the fact that it's still a bit better than the real world. ... But hey, at least world hunger is solved because your house can be crushed by a giant grape grown by any pesky kid in their sleep, right?
You know what? That's exactly what I would say. In fact, I would say a better idea than this whole thing would be to create not really a G4 reboot, but sort of an alternate continuity, like, right before the 2017 movie, a spell is being cast from the G5 continuity as it's being destroyed by Windigos because of the unkindness of the ponies, thus bringing G5 to a fitting end, and creating another continuity, maybe where the residents of Equestria get thrown into the real world. The world of Equestria would end up merging with the real world, and the ponies would end up immortalized by the spell, but some (only SOME, more notably Celestia and Luna, mainly to obtain balance to the world and science.) of the ponies' magic would be weakened, not wiped out, but weakened, and the ponies would try to both adapt to, and bring some of their philosophies to our world. Sort of like "Enchanted", but the ponies would stay 2D. It would make a very good use of real-life actors being filmed alongside the ponies (we call it the Roger Rabbit Effect). I would really like to see how the ponies would interact with the real (live action) world.
MLP g4 was a big influence in how it allowed me to accept the more “colorful” side of my life. Liking MLP already had a big negative stigma, so I kinda learned to stop caring what others thought as long as I was happy with it. While I fell off of MLP in the later years, seeing it online or just out and about always made me a bit happy. G5 makes me sad, but maybe it’ll turn around. Eh, if not I’ll just watch G4 again
same with me, G4 came in a moment when i was very depressed in my life, and give me the strenght to enjoy life again, let me know a very cool friends furries and bronies, and make me write again (find me in Wattpad with my name); MLP: FiM its a great show, and could have come to season ten to celebrate one decade of the franquise, but Hasbro choice bring us a "meh" product, G5 its not so bad, but i feel it........souless, just another corporative show to sell toys, G4 have same purpose, but with a nice story behind, created a great world and a great lore, thats because i always said G5 must to be away from G4, need to start fresh and new, with a new beginning, not depend and stay tied to it antecesor to exploit it potential.
Im gonna say the one thing that bothered me the most for no reason is Misty’s constant lip color change. It changes occasionally to a nice color that i think suits the unicorn but most times it’s a very jarring pink that doesn’t match at all. It catches my eye every time and bothers the heck out of me and i can’t let it go lol.
I'm so glad someone noticed this haha their weird lip color changes are very jarring to see. It would've been much better visually if they had maybe had it as a lighter or darker-colored blue. I like Misty's desgin but the contrast, similar to Opaline's design, is strange.
I haven't been involved in anything mlp since 2015, but was anybody honestly expecting this to live up to the previous gen? The 2010 cartoon was an anomaly that managed to have involvement with some strong names in the cartoon industry. I don't think we'll see anything like it again down the road.
I never expected that. I thought it'd be okay but tbh I just rlly dislike gen 5 now. I never grew up with any gens before gen 4 so I'm a friendship is magic fan 4lyfe. Gens before gen 4 were probably good.
> *I don't think we'll see anything like it again down the road.* IMO it depends on what we define as the "it" in question. For example, a show that balances good storywriting, slice of life, adventure, has coherent and deep worldbuilding, great characters who are relatable, and evolve over time, and a show where the fandom is acknowledged, definitely could exist - irrespective of if it hits FiM level energy and enjoyment or not.
The biggest and most obvious animation error from the show so far is the character Jazz Hooves not having ears. She went from having ears in Tell Your Tale to sometimes having ears in the Make Your Mark special to not having ears at all in the Netflix series. I don't know how they keep messing up her ears.
There's something that makes me so uncomfortable seeing modern tech go into a medieval & high-magic setting. I felt that way when Avatar went from Aang to Korra, and also in many D&D games/fantasy books etc. The magic is what kept things interesting and the tech just makes one or the other obsolete.
Well, once you hint at an industrial revolution, it's pretty hard to explain why there still hasn't been one two generations later. You can't have hot air balloons and steam tanks in Avatar, unless you are ready for blimp and even bigger steam tanks in Korra. You can't have instant communication and printing press spells in G4 without people expecting some kind of Ever After High style magic smartphones in G5. You can't introduce FTL transporters in the Kirk era unless you want to completely bone over anyone who was trying to make that universe into a franchise. You get the idea.
The issue is, tech wouldn't be tech like we know it when created in a fantasy world. It'd be magitech, and while similar to our normal tech, would be magic based.
@@shagohad3 not necessarily, magic itself is often linked to creature that uses it, so often you cannot really industrialize it (and even when imbue magic into objects is thing, then not really on scale of thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions of units - that requires some old school mostly non-magical industrialization, so mages are not dying from exhaustion all the time) In world involving magic, technology would be primarily response of those not having magic abilities to compensate their lack of magic and to level the powers of both "camps". Magic also can be used for incredibly speed up development process - for example metal bending from avatar would turn years going process of developing any machine and establishing production into matter of months, if not just weeks, solely by turning building bunch of prototypes, tooling, assembly line for all of it and reworking it all multiple times with every tweak of design necessitated by results of testing, into few moments of concentration.
As a player of a steampunk RP game that's lasted many years, adding tech to a D&D setting makes it so much better. As a Shadowrun player, I can safely say there is a line though, and smart phones are crossing that line. Shadowrun 4e is truly awful, and is the MLP G5 of RP games. Korra's setting was the best part about the series though. That steampunk moment is the point where creativity is as free as it can get. Magictech blimps and ships, firing enchanted cannons. Traveling the world and exploring, the mix between mechanical golems and undead creatures blend well as terrifying lifeless enemies. There's so much you can't do in a fully medieval setting. I feel like you're lumping all tech together. But airships were are amazing in fantasy settings are not at all like someone's remote controlled drone. Modern tech yeah, avoid it. None of that is fun to push into a fantasy world at all. But fantasy tech is the best. So many modern things can essentially be recreated in such a world, with magic as the main ingredient, and it's just better for it. Remove phones, and put in enchanted orbs of water that can reflect images from other such orbs. Have them powered by sunlight, and you can even recreate the need to get a good signal. Modern tech, but done right, done in a way that fits the world. That's how it should be done. MLP G5 fails at that so damn hard. But Korra did it well from what I remember.
The Story, the retcons, everything about G5 just reeks of Disney Jr. vibes. It's like they're trying to make a show for the 4-7 Audience, and target it to All ages and it just isn't working.
@@KatoChaotix It’s a Lion King spin off series on Disney Jr. It retconned some things from the movies, and it gave the main characters magical super powers. I thought maybe that’s what you were referring to with the Disney jr vibes.
@@notatallfunctional No< I was referring to the writing style being similar to shows that You would find on Disney Jr or Nick Jr, stuff aimed at the 4-7 year old audience like Paw Patrol or Bob the Builder.
While watching the G5 series I started to realise that I kept saying "Oh I hate this character" "Oh this character is so annoying" they all felt so shallow. Like Pip only cares about social media and imo acts very mean towards everyone else
I know, right? There's something very wrong with the show when the only character I'm rooting for, the only character with an actual personal conflict, is technically one of the villains.
Saturating the franchise with smartphones and "le current trends" definitely saps all of the magic and wonder out of it. Gen 4 could stand on its own regardless of which point in time because it didn't rely on the "current thing" or current year as a crutch. It was just its own nice, self-contained show.
I grew up with the older MLP, ones that are probably more well known as the classics, which gave us specials like "A Very Minty Christmas" and "Princess Promenade," which introduced Spike in that generation as the only male character in the show and they only character that wasn't a quadruped. Gen 4, while different, still held the same kinds of nostalgia for someone who's loved MLP since I was really little. Especially with some of the characters brought back that I grew up with, even though they had different personalities or were different kinds of ponies. (Rainbow Dash wasn't always a headstrong pegasus.) That said, as an OG fan of the franchise, I agree with you. Although I keep an ear out because I'm curious about the lore and what happened to the ponies of gen 4, I'm not a huge fan of gen 5. I feel it loses me with making one pony an influencer and just having the internet there in general. Also, yeah, I feel the loss of the fantasy element when they bring in smart phones. I also wouldn't have minded them sticking to the same or a similar art style as Gen 4. I loved the art style. It might be the 3-D animation, but Gen 5 just feels lacking in comparison. I dunno. I'll get invested when Twilight Sparkle shows up in person to wake the heroes up to what's been happening because as the smartest pony alive, if she's watching them, she has to get fed up with all this at some point and want to move the story along.
I'm following SaberSpark about only two weeks and honestly, of all the youtubers I ever watched, he is the only one that I didn't get tired of and can make every topic so fun to watch! I'm marathoning your videos!! Thank you Saber, for making my days happier!☺️🤩
Im 18 now and i grew up watching g4! This new generation is very much lacking. I'm only invested because I want to know the backstory with Opaline and Twilight😭😭 But I rememebr waking up every saturday and forcing my dad to watch my little pony with me to the point where he ended up loving the show too becuase it had such great story and lessons and songs that we just had so much fun watching it together// and my dad is a grown man😭😭 but I definitely think he would be disappointed by this new mlp becuase now it's just Kiddy and like some lessons are there but all seriousness is completely cancelled out so you're just like bruh what's the point// also the songs are corny and don't hit the same or even at all😭😭😭
Yeah, the songs are really corny. In the new special we just got Generic Christmas Songs. It was a little disappointing, the music just feels very manufactured.
I think what made g4 special was the character designs and the fact that it was a well written show that just happened to also be targeted towards little girls. As someone who was a little girl who watched g4 when it came out, I absolutely loved the show and so did my parents. G5 seems like it has a ton of potential, but I feel like a lot of it was wasted by making it connected to g4. Even then, if they still had it connected to g4 I think it would of been better to keep the fantasy setting instead of making it more modern. I feel like making that decision makes it feel closer to the g1.5 series which was just ponies in the real world in modern society. That never worked. There’s also more to be desired with the designs. Its cute and all, but I think if they went into the direction that G2 went into it would be more appealing for all audiences. I’m not a fan of the more stubby features that the ponies have. Sorry for the essay, I’m just very passionate about this.
Make Your Mark could of been really well done if they put out the layout of g4. Especially it’s lore. What really didn’t set well with me was how it wasn’t a cold winter and it didn’t show the Windigos. When the 3 races divide, the Windigos showed up. That’s the main thing I wanted for this show, to have the same lore of g4 and build off of that. Because let’s be real, the main people who watches g5 are the one who loves/grew up with g4. It’ll be better if they explained about what happened in the past with the lack of magic. But If I could remember, pegasi could still fly during the Windigos.
This was absolutely my problem too! When I found out they separated the pony races, I was like where are the Wendigos? They provided a base of why friendship between ponies was so important. G4 had such good world building that was so fun and so cared for and I miss it
When I was little, I had a ton of My Little Pony toys. I had about 10 of them and I loved them. I love the cuteness of the older models, the old toys and what I've seen of the animated shows, but these 3D models scream uncanny valley for me. I don't like that they don't look like ponies anymore. Their faces just look like an unidentifiable blob and I wish they would add more definition to their muzzles. But that's just me.
If only Hasbro didn’t force G5 to connect to G4 it would have a much better chance to stand on its own. Hasbro has more than enough money to make G5 special but they just want to rake in the cash using nostalgia and bright 3D animation that a lot of younger kids love looking at.
Also how the magic became worthless. Remember the task of King Sombra and all the spells Twilight learned? Gravitokinesis, crystallization, teleportation, transformation, speed enhancement, sealing techniques... It was a MAGIC SYSTEM. Not just a "whatever the character want to do will do"
Also I believe Imalou was the lead character designer and illustrator who worked on the new MLP generation and movie while they were also one of the most popular artists in the fandom since they started doing MLP fan art in 2011-2012! Of course they are an absolutely amazing artist who is definitely worth supporting! :)
one thing I don't like about the new 3d models is that the inside mouth color is different for every pony. Misty's inside-mouth color is a dark purple and it freaks me out everytime.
I'm glad someone is reviewing it because I couldn't make it 5 minutes into the new show. (I did manage the movie) As someone who became a fan Ironically, ( I watched it to see what all the fuss was about and fell in love with Twilight and the plot) This hurts my soul at how terribly written the story is. I also didn't like the end of G4 with the school but I would've been happy if those character were actually the new main 6 rather than this...
See, the MLP world of smartphones as opposed to magic could have worked if magic were treated like a lost art that’s seen as more of a legend in the public conscious (as opposed to an outright event causing it) and our main pony being a secret alicorn is what gives her the drive to rediscover the lost (as opposed to sealed) magic, maybe even give her a love of history similar to Twilight’s love of reading. Then you’d have our main character going about this modern life with her friends while uncovering where magic has become dormant and in the background we see the main villain following her trail and collecting the newly awakened magic for herself. You can even pander to G4 fans while still being its own show by having episodes where they find ruins of G4 places (like finding Cloudsdale before technology automated the weather process) It’s sad because the setting and general premise COULD HAVE WORKED if they had any confidence in their own creativity.
What drives me crazy is the movie gave me the impression Sunny would explore how things came to be the way they are. In the show, Sunny doesn't, but we get a weird scene where this kid comes up to Sunny and just says, "I've been reading this book about these magic rocks called elements!" and that's the end of the scene. Somehow this kid does more research than Sunny. It's a half-second reference to appease people, rather than trying to have some interesting storytelling dynamic.
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It just doesn't feel the same anymore.
Even as a kid, I was offended by movies and shows aimed at children that talked down at me. I hate the mindset "it's for kids it doesn't have to be good" because my favorite movies when I was a kid were more complex stories with real characters and good writing
Same man
Same. I grew up mostly watching foreign entertainment from all over the world. While there is dumbed down content internationally, most of it is more mature and thought out than the adult continent in the US.
There are some exceptions in the US, from drama (live tv) like Battlestar Galactica to cartoons like Owl House.
Ditto -- although a lot of kids below 15 can make it without The LOTR. Seriously, trust me!
I also loved bad movies as a kid.
I still love those bad movies as an adult.
Like don bluth movies? xD
Genuinely wish they kept G5 in another universe. Having it connected makes it feel like writers weren’t confident enough with it standing on its own so they had to include G4 lore in order to further entice former bronies.
He hates sparky how could he
Honestly yes. The legitimacy of the “leaks” and concepts were just so great when they were around, it could be big wast, a different world, a different story. But they had to take the safe route, which just makes it seem like they didn’t have confidence enough to make something completely of their own, wordlbuilding on their own. Which is honestly a shame because there are just so many different routs to take with a show like that, which can still work. But unfortunately it just became a “same world just timeskip and different characters, but remember to bring up old characters every time we can”. I suppose we had too high expectations believing they’d come up with something completely original. But then again it also shows how good G4 actually was, in terms of story and world building, that the creators of G5 is scared to try something new, because it’ll pale in comparison and potentially won’t attract the same type of popularity.
I disagree, considering how far it is from G4 in terms of the timeline, you can kind of do a lot of things with it.
@@bulletcola7890 Then why bother having any connection at all? They're clearly trying to ride the coat-tails of G4.
@@bulletcola7890 oh yea ofc I’m not saying they were limited on what they could do because of g4, and obviously with Sunny’s powers and the villain alicorn they are taking their own creative liberties. I was just saying I think having twilight connected to it was their way of appealing to the old bronies, and I think considering how different this world is, having it in anyway connected to g4 was a little unnecessary
As a nanny who’s been forced to watch multiple different kids shows, G5 is feeling very reminiscent of some of the kid shows I’ve watched where they have basic characters with basic plot lines that don’t bother to go above the bar because it is-as mentioned before-a kids show.
G4 is very near and dear to my heart because it did go above the bar. It had endearing characters, good chemistry in the relationships, solid writing, fleshed out villains, consistent world-building, and a unique visual style! It managed to balance out darker themed episode with fun episodes. It upsets me to see that they’ve dumbed down the newer show and modernized it so much.
In my opinion, kids shows tend to underestimate children’s ability to enjoy well developed content. A good show aimed at kids should also be enjoyable by some older audiences, too-because that is the mark of good storytelling. But again, that’s just my opinion.
One of the worst things in existence is that notion that kids cartoons should have absolutely basic scenarios. You end up, as a kid, bored out of your goddamn mind.
Trouble is, all the really grown-up stuff is about boring things like relationships or betrayal and they blow each other up a lot and sometimes even Nice characters DIE and that's scary for a kid - but this "kids" stuff is just dumb.
I'm small, not dumb, I can follow a complicated plot if it's coherently told. I watched Terminator 2 when I was, like, five, and I completely understood the plot and motivation of the characters, except the guy that licked Sarah, that was stupid for the little me, but still I understood that it's, like, danger, and he's bad.
So the kids show that actually go above and beyond to deliver ACTUAL story always stood out for me. That's what I always loved about, say, Disney and Pixar cartoons. Lilo and Stitch, Toy Story, Bug's Life - all of them have real plots, with complicated characters who may be even not all black and white!
@@TheWinjin I completely agree!
When I think back to the 80s, I can only praise a superior art style (basically anime lite), but when it came to characters & plot, the substance just wasn't there.
A man used to show me the awful crap his daughter made him sit through, Barbie movies, Tinkerbell movies, G3.5 ponies. Absolute torture.
but why does children's media have to appeal to adults? why can't kids just have something for them? why do we adults need to center ourselves in children's media?
@@megsley - In fairness, not all kids media requires adult appeal. That being said, children aren’t children forever so it’s always nice that there’s something to return to when older.
To whoever decided that the villain’s _primary colour_ should be an eye-searing magenta: I hope you know that you are a walking red flag.
Fr I just don't like her design
I feel like the cheap looking eye shadow just makes it so much worse lol. I love her hair though
@@robin0135 oh yeah, her hair is great. It has that “cold-hearted elegant queen” kinda look. All they have to do is de-saturate the magenta + make it a little bit more purple and it wouldn’t clash NEARLY as much 😭
@@anerrorhasoccurred8727 as much as i agree, i have no clue how designing unpleasant color palettes is a red flag
@@CryptGirl38 hyperbole for the sake of humour.
I think the enigma of ponies holding objects is more apparent when they are 3d models and don't have the benefit of leaving the holding process up to the imagination.
He hates Tell your tale it seems
Yeah and with the 2D format, the arms/hooves can bend and curve in ways that helps it feel like it makes sense while G5 is too close to realism anatomy wise for them to pull it off ig
Preach! This drove my husband and me nuts when we watched the movie.
@Deadpool. all? do you mean your dad
Twilight definitely went insane to even think of that
As someone who loved G4 and Twilight herself, I'm pretty much concerned that this generation would possibly ruin her character more just to give the new main characters their heroic moment. Her sealing away all the magic from ponies is already out of character since she never even thought of that before when things got hectic in G4. They could've just made G5 a completely different generation just like what they did with the previous generations, and I feel like they would get more freedom into what they input in the show without thinking about the continuity of G4.
Believe me
The transformers community can attest that this kind of situation doesn’t roll well
Unfortunately show makers really like to play on nostalgia nowadays
Sealing away magic, I could totally see Twilight doing. If she was left on her own with no supervision or input, then she would definitely do it as a last resort to save all ponies from destruction or slavery. Twilight was an alicorn that basically lives for a very long time, she would have outlived the mane 6, maybe even lost her brother and other important characters in battle, left to fend for her own. Twilights nature is chaotic if not kept under control, or while under stress. This part of the storytelling, I can get behind.
@@CarstenSvendsen But when it was brought up Faust said that Twilight will not out live her friends.
@@Blueshark8O9 tbf faust hasn't had any input on the series since season 2 and wasn't involved in making twilight an alicorn
My problem is that none of the episodes had any sense of danger or urgency. The heroes hear Twilight's warning and they just... go about their lives as normal.
yeah, in G4 that would be a start/end of season double episode. When stretched across the entire season/show it loses a lot of impact.
Yeah, that bothered me too
Yes that’s why I gave up on the show halfway through the season. The arc didn’t feel strong. The show feels meandering.
It's a-symptomatic with what I've dubbed the Netflix Approach. Namely, without the restraints of traditional TV meaning that new viewers would be lost by a continuous story when episodes are aired out of order, companies are using it to go the whole hog and tell continuous stories ala Game of Thrones. Power Rangers is doing the same thing and it's probably not a coincidence that both it and MLP are owned by Hasbro and are also airing on Netflix. They're trying to build a grand narrative but are struggling with both the fact that the season is twenty episodes long which makes having a continuous arc difficult combined with the fact they're mandated to have at least some filler episodes to get used to the characters. Power Rangers has managed much better since it has always been an episodic show so they're kept the same approach and sprinkled in a larger ongoing narrative. This is a good example of how combining filler and a larger overarching plot can backfire.
I couldn’t even bring myself to continue watching after episode one of Chpt 2. It just doesn’t make any sense anymore. Like where’s the plot? Where’s the part where shit begins to happen. No, it’s all just “friendship lessons”
I think the reason why G5 feels so watered down compared to G4 is because G4 was created by someone (Lauren Faust) who was an actual fan of the franchise growing up. Lauren based the characters on her old Mlp toys, and created a show that kids and adults who grew up with the Og mlp could watch. G5 doesn’t have that same level of intimacy, It feels like it was made by producers and corporate executives who viewed MLP as a toy for little girls, and nothing more. Hopefully when G6 (I say when because we all know hasbro is going to keep mlp around) comes into fruition, it’ll be made by someone who grew up with G4, and carry that love into the iteration, the same way that Lauren carried her love of G1 into FIM.
I grew up with G4- perhaps when I am older, I can bring G6 back to how it should be
@@-LydiaXedits May god hear you.
Preach brother /)
G5 100% got into the hands of people who just see MLP as nothing more as a lifeless series for little girls and Hasbro just further wanting to milk the series. Lauren Faust had such genius writing IMO and I hope one day it gets into the hands of someone who cares about it as much as she did. We can see from her My little pony can be something amazing, that potential just hasen't been used like it has been since she left IMO
Never was a brony, but I remember feeling very sad when I learnt that Friendship is Magic was ending. I've always associated the show with the early 2010s when it was at its most popular. You couldn't go anywhere on the Internet without coming across at least a handful of annoying bronies. Even if I wasn't a part of the fandom, I can think of many other things I was enjoying at the time, and I still occasionally find myself pining for those days.
For me, FiM represents a time in my life I often wish I could return to, and that makes me sad.
Me too
I never really watched a lot, but the few episodes I saw, it was very competent, especially for flash animation, and didn't talk down to its audience, except maybe the end of episode summary. Certainly a lot better than a lot of kids shows now.
Fun fact: I'm pretty sure FIM was (either one of the or the) last animated show from the 2010's that was still going, with it truly came an end of an area.
oh and also it ended 2 days after it's 9th anniversary.
And yet you still think we were annoying?
@@nostaldec4705 Yes.
a thing that i've noticed art style-wise: the color palettes for All of these new ponies are just Too Bright and Too Loud. lauren faust knows how to use colors and palettes to make all ponies (even background ones) have some sort of personality! the mane six are extremely recognizable just based on their color palettes alone. you could make a minimalist background with just pinkie pie's colors and fans would still recognize it as being at least inspired by her colors. with these new generation of ponies, everyone has these bright, clashing colors or colors that are just too similar to each other so nothing pops and everything looks like a mess of randomly generated hex codes. part of this is also just how colors can look on 3D rigs vs. on flat 2D planes. its much, much harder to map specific colors onto models and get them to look right than it is to just color pick and drop onto 2D rigs. however, it IS possible to make them look good, the show just doesn't have the budget
talent* not budgets
color choice desn't cost money
I think some of them have decent color palettes, but majority don't. Like, Izzy's palette works I think. The blue isn't too bright, or similar to the purple, and it's bright yes-But dull enough to not be an eyesore. I like Zipp's palette, mostly because trans pony aha, but Hitch & Sunny's colors are both a little too bright, and clash. I think if they gave sunny a deeper colored mane & dulled her coat a little it would've looked better. Hitch.. Needs his colors toned down. He needs his yellow toned down a touch. The green needs to be dulled a bit. Pipp's pallette on the other hand, blends too much. Her coat or mane should've been shifted. Coat lighter, mane darker, or just different colors. Don't even get me started on Mr. Big Mac Lite but worse. The red/yellow combo can be done well! But not like that!
But another thing is, G4 has more colors because of cutie marks. They've got about 5 colors each, if not more, where G5 has at most about 3 each. Making their palettes too generic.
All of them are way too bright, and way too saturated. They need to tone the colors down significantly. Opaline's colors actually hurt to look at too long.
THIS 1000x THIS!!! As a huge lover of character design, it made me super upset ☹️
Yeah some of the color combos just hurts to look at
I wasn’t big into MLP:FiM but I watched 2 or 3 seasons and deeply respect all the world building Lauren Faust did and how a show for girls wasn’t just boring and stereotypical mush.
Lauren only did season 1 but yea
@@MILDMONSTER1234 I suppose Lauren planted some good seeds on some great soil.
I don't know, I've never watched the show at all.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 From what I recall, she did season one and a good chunk of season 2. It was late Season 2-ish where she was beginning to let go of the reigns, with Season 3 (A.K.A; The bad one) being the first one where she was completely hands off.
Nitpick aside, MLP certainly was a wild ride while it lasted.
@@curnott6051
S3 was bad? First time hearing that take
@@gunjfur8633 Crazy, I personally hear everyone say S3 was bad, though seasons after it get better, like lots say S8 is p amazing.
Another thing!!
It kinda bugs me how its set in modern day and the main characters are teenagers (obviously theres nothing wrong with that) but they kinda stretch the whole "hashtag relatable!!" Thing, i like how in g4 the mane 6 were more matured, they made an adult cast do surprisingly well for a kids show!
Another thing is how in g4 every character had theyre own signature companions, personalitys and roles, for example-
Twilight- smart, independent, and has a companion which is spike
Fluttershy- shy, kind and nature loving, and has a companion which is the bunny (i forget his name)
Rainbowdash- confident, outgoing and energetic, and has a companion which is the turtle (idk whether to count scootaloo because rainbowdash is scootaloo's role model)
Rarity- fancy, proper and fashion loving, and has a companion (her cat and her little sister)
Applejack- brave, honest, and strong, and has 2 siblings (i forget their names but they are iconic)
Pinkiepie- loves to party, fun, enegergetic, and has a VERY iconic companion, the crocodile!
HECK EVEN BACKGROUND CHARACTERS HAD SIGNATURE TRAITS FOR EXAMPLE- DERPY, THE VIOLIN PONY (octavia i think) AND THE HEADPHONE PONY!
But the newer characters in g5 dont really have any signature traits, theyre kinda just a regular friend group?
In all fairness, G4 (like a lot of kids' shows) was vague about the Mane 6's ages, and tended to blend different age-groups together.
Sure, the Mane 6 are responsible and have jobs and all, but... they also have (had) sleepovers, celebrate birthdays with the enthusiasm of teenagers, etc. Generally I respected the way the writers showed that children and adults don't have to be all-that-different, and that adults can still have fun, and all.
Still, when compared to characters like Mrs. Cake, it's easy to see the Mane 6 aren't _definitely_ adults.
Lyra and Bon Bon being average lesbian couple background ponies is very detailed if you ask me ❤️
@@Mega-Brick The Mane6 are young adults! Characters like Applebloom, Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle are between their 15 (Diamond Tiara had mentioned having a quiceñera more than once, and that's a party girls have when they reach their 15), and I think Rarity mentioned something about being "Young adults" in a racing episode if I'm not mistaken. So while they don't have confirmed ages, they're somewhere between 20~27. But for G5 it does feel like they're younger than G4, so I would guess between 15~18
I love how you forgot twilight pet owl lmao tbf, even the writers forgot the owl later in the series life
You also forgot AJ family dog lol
@@Yorancy
But the mane 5 live on their own and have jobs or some do. Unless the legal adult age in Equestria is 12-13 they have to be in their 20s.
I like the show I just don't like how forced the connection between the 2 shows feels
I think this would be better off as its own separate thing
Edit: this is the real problem:
A new reboot of a beloved series does NOT have to be the same as the last series.
E.g. here, earth ponies have magic
The sun and move move by themselves
The dragon is now magic
Cutie marks glow when a pony does their special talent
The magic comes from crystals instead of being just magic
All of these changes are stuff that fans could say "But that's not how it was in the original"
But the thing is, it doesn't have to be
But because Hasbro made the terrible mistake to say it's connected to G4, they gave the right to bronies to complain about all of this
Because by saying that it's the same world you limit yourself to the rules of the previous show, but Hasbro wanted to make some changes, experiment with the possibilities. But you can't explore them without letting go of the past. And Hasbro tried to have it both ways, which just doesn't work
You either, say it's the same world and stick to the rules of the previous show or you make changes but completely let go of the previous show.
It should have been it’s own universe. Not connecting itself to G4 it just raises to many questions.
I definitely liked the old concepts they made for g5
I noticed that when it comes to callbacks to G4 in G5, they just throw it in there and don't ever really explain it. For example, in the episode where Sunny and Hitch trade cutiemarks (a.k.a the stolen plot point for the royal sisters in G4) a random filly reading a book says to Sunny "Oh! Im reading a book about a tree with elements!" and Sunny is like "oh, tell me more" and then they just never bring it up again. It just felt so abrupt and unsatisfying
My thoughts exactly.
That might be why it stinks tbh. Up until now, every MLP gen was basically separated from each other.
Gen 4 was absolutely amazing because it could be its own thing with different characters and lore.
This new series is trying to connect to it and make things different ):
I worked on this series as an fx artist up till the second special (not out yet.)
There are so many flaws I wish you could see.
QC for comp is just… ugh.
Some of the animation does not line up with the fx because they updated a anim shot and didn’t bother to re-cache the fx shot so they matched.
A lot of us artists worked hard to make fx and comp just rendered out a lot of it.
It makes us look bad, and you can’t stick your shots it in your demo reel because it looks lazy.
Lots of bones to pick with this show. Grateful for the opportunity, but a big slap in the face.
@@darreldarrenman3334 the story is not a great one, and it does not seem to get any better.
I was only contracted for season 1 and the two specials.
A can’t really say a lot due to the NDA, but it hurts to watch this show. It feels like the directors went for a quantity over quality deal.
o7
thank you for the effort anyway
@@amfrogughhhh all we can is pray
@@amfrog The first special felt like it didn't even have a director, it was so badly put together. That has at least improved it up to "generic cartoon" status, which is still sad of course. I find it watchable at least when I have no desire to put myself through that special again. In comparison I watch the movie quite often and the show still feels like very watered down generic interpretations of the ones in the movie. :(
Anything you can tell us about the 2nd Special or are you bound to silence by NDA?
Lately, the whole "I'm going to eliminate Magic and to hell with the consequences!" sure seems to be the go to solution for magical princesses/protagonists to solve all their problems.
cough cough star vs the forces of evil cough
@@patotive4704 At least it didn't cause all the magical creatures to die this time!
_Unless some of the pegasi were flying at the time she casted the spell._
Well, nuking out the problem seems to be the answer showrunners come up with when they introduce themes of segregation to seem more progressive than they actually are, but struggle to show the slightest bits nuance or actually challenge the viewers by exploring solutions, which is fair I guess, who are they to try to make a protagonist who actually “picks a side”?
Of the top of my head I can name few kid’s animated media that did this though, SVTFOE, MLPG5, HTTYD3 (this ones kind of weird in that I will admit) and mayyybe Frozen 2? So I’m hoping we don’t ever have to see this plotline again, at least in such a dull way.
Star vs 😢
@@Light-ro5bp it’s so strange they decided to nuke magical creatures/ magic to show segregation between ponies when… they already had themes of segregation even in the original show? For example with Zecora or the changelings and even more pony hybrid characters as well as amongst the pegasi, earth ponies, and unicorns themselves.
What gets me was just how promising the movie was. It didn’t pander to young kids, hell it was heartfelt, the part where Sunny misses her dad was genuinely sad! It was so good!
And then there’s the series.
What *happened*
I’m wondering the same thing, because I went into the movie with low expectations, and came out having high hopes for the future because of how good the movie was. The show is ironically (and disappointingly) exactly what I thought the movie would be.
Like where’s the knowledge quest about what happened to both the magic and Equestria that was the main thrust of the movie, and what I logically presumed would be the main thrust of the series as well? If you’re going to set it in a future version of Equestria, then why not take advantage of that?
@@Ebalosus I mean, this isn't technically the show/ series, from what I understand this is some kind of "taster" or whatever for the ACTUAL G5 show, which I'm hoping actually tries to see what happened. Though as most people said, the show at it's core was never about the Lore and it was about the type of episodes we see in the series already (random events and stuff).
As for the in-world excuse for not going on an epic lore revealing quest? I dunno, too busy figuring out how magic works and making sure the town doesn't explode if the characters leave? Though you'd think that Twilight's message would've kickstarted them to try and go out to figure it out. I expected her message to be at the end of the series teasing the start of the show where they go on a quest and stuff.
@@TheEpicGalaxy21 When is the real show coming out, I hadn’t heard of MYM being a taster
@@johnadams7145 Well I'm kind of confused about that now. I can't really tell if this is supposed to be the real show or not. If it isn't, I definitely hope we get some more info about the proper show soon. But if this IS the actual proper show... well, they say MLP G4 only got really good after a few seasons.
I agree. Similar to many others I had low expectations for the movie only to come out really liking it. I had an aching suspicion that it wouldn't go well for the tv series, since starting out with a movie is already a very risky move. My feelings were confirmed when MYM came out (haven't seen TYT yet) and everything had lowered in quality.
And oh my god. Izzy's voice actor.
She's fine for the most part but I find Izzy so obnoxious now instead of the fun, friendly, bubbly type she was in the movie.
It's really disappointing to see. There was a lot of potential there but unfortunately I feel this is the case for a lot of movie-first-show-second situations.
The character assassination of Twilight, the idiocy of the characters, bringing modern technology into a fantasy world, having an alicorn villain (I thought being an alicorn was supposed to be something earned, something that was an incredibly rare thing that came from acts of great power, kindness, love, ect. - with Flurry being the only *born* alicorn, and Cozy having cheated her way into it. How did Opalescence become an alicorn? Why is she an alicorn, but not a princess? Becoming an alicorn pretty much automatically meant princess status in g4. I can't stand useless baby characters that basically just exist for people to go 'aww' at and to get kidnapped or need babysitting or whatever as a plot point, too. Skipping this series for sure.
Same. This is why I only care about G4 and ignore G5 completely.
Why does it feel like G5 is a buncha recycled or unimplimented ideas that would work in G4 but is instead taped to something which bills itself as something different?
_Also good god these spam accounts are so aggravating no I don't want to click your virus-lookin link nor prune you from replies_
the dragon is also a plot convenience button. need something to disappear? baby dragon. need some cutiemarks switched? baby dragon.
theres no consistency to how his magic works and they change it all the time depending on what the plot needs
Me to
No wonder i hate this new gen
Went straight from “cutesy, adorable cartoon” to “uncanny valley 2.0.”
I’ll never understand why everything must be cheap 3D animation these days-
Oh. Right. Cheap.
Ah, ah, ah... LAZY! Not cheap. LAZY! I am clearly seeing on this that no one on this series, or maybe even this generation is caring the slightest about even trying to make it GOOD. I think already, this G5 is doomed. Maybe not necessarily to the point where G3 was doomed enough to be turned into uncanny valley demon babies, but still, pretty doomed. Like, I see this one little spark, that will become the massive fire that would probably take at best, G5, and at worst, the entire franchise, down into a smoking husk of ashes.
@@davidhileman8567 it's G3.5 with the uncanny Valley babies, I can stand the G3 specials even though the characters look the same
@@LiIacAster Still, G3 was doomed to become G3.5 with the demon babies.
I'm glad I am not the only one to notice the creepy to somewhat ugly designs.
Since I looked at Neflix and am seeing that even they don't seem to give a crap about G5 anymore (or animation, considering they cancelled "Inside Job" and "Deep End" for that matter), I am probably leaning towards saying the fire might already be happening. I just hope the franchise can make it out alive, but considering Hasbro is already selling eOne, if somehow the whole franchise does go up in smoke, we're not going to let the impact of Lauren Faust's magic and MLP: FIM go down in flames too! And you know what? If it means to let G5 flop, so be it! Survival of the fittest, y'all! Survival of the fittest!
Sad part is that a lot of issues in G5 could be solved if it didn't have a connection to G4.
Yeah, they could've made it a multiverse sort of thing that maybe could've worked. Then find out somehow the multiverses are connected or something and had to bring harmony to them all.. idk. There is lots that could have been done with the premise.
@@blacksesamecandies don't they already have a multiverse anyways? the answer is literally right there
@@asdfoifhvjbkaos Indeed, though until S9 Equestria Girls was treated as deuterocanonical at best. Then Sunny pony showed up in the not-really-finale-but-imho-worked-better-as-a-finale (up until the last 2 minutes but that's another rant).
Comics had even more universes but they are non-canonical per Hasbro. Though from S7 on they tried to make sure the comics didn't actively contradict the show.
@@blacksesamecandies To be honest, I'm kind of tired of this whole "multiverse" thing that's going on in media.
Why do they make a big deal about it? It's just either AUs or alternative dimentions, it's not such an original and cool concept! And why do everybody call it "multiverse"? Can't you all come up with a more original name?
@@drakegrandx5914 your momverse
shows like Samurai Jack, Phineas and Ferb, and Avatar: the Last Airbender are proof that you can make shows for kids that are still enjoyable for adults. It pisses me off that so many soulless corporations just think "minimal effort, the stupid kids don't know better" and just churn out the same garbage that's going to be consumed and forgotten almost instantly because that's the cheap, safe, short term profitable solution, instead of putting more energy into something that will stick with kids long into their adult years while still being relevant to an older audience.
Treating your audience like adults is somehow a revolutionary concept.
Adult animation is absurdly childish, and most programming for kids is brain dead.
@@andrewgreeb916 In an interview with one of the writers for Friendship is Magic, there's a very neat quote;
"You don't write to kids. You write good stories, and that brings viewership." I love that quote.
And it's just... so bizarre. That's a quote that you know comes from someone who cares about what they're making, and I just can't imagine anyone writing for Make Your Mark saying anything like that.
Another kids show that's enjoyable for all ages is the OG Thomas the Tank Engine because it didn't talk down to kids and Mattel turned the show into the same generic crap as most kids shows nowadays, jumping off the tracks and being voiced by kids is NOT the Tank Engine I remember and will never be my Thomas
The Looney Tunes Show, Wander Over Yonder, Gravity Falls and many more have shown timeless is best.
What I have seen of G5 so far has been disappointing. I don't think not put enough time or effort into it.
the comic revealing what went wrong was like "Immediately after the scene in the last episode with Twilight, the entirety of the pony race went OOC and all the lessons and progress of all the previous seasons were meaningless. The other pony tribes and different species? Fuck em."
Here to make this comment not all just bots
@@thisguyisfine1512 jfc thats a lot of bots
@here is the full clip *GO AWAY.*
heck to be fair that ''last'' episode of g4 felt ooc and you could of told me is was just one of Twiggys fan fics XD. so i just pretend it doesnt exist and that the show ended on the 2 parter! XD
Also yeah I feel like that's Hasbro going "OI OI OI This is a property about PONIES for LITTLE GIRLS get these other non-ponies outta here" but also "So uhhhhhh G4 made us a lotta money, modernize it and get a few lore references sprinkled in whatever"
I think 'Friendship Is Magic' ended with about as much dignity as you could hope for, and given the reputation of 'My Little Pony' being something clearly aimed at little girls, I didn't have high expectations for the new show ever living up to the previous show. Which is A shame because that set the bar pretty high.
they should've went higher :(
Mlp gen 4 was magical, something about it attracted thousands of people, even adults. I don't think that g5 has this same magic.
It attracted a lot of people because it was about 5 women who were pleasant to be around and also Rainbow Dash.
It’s what the magic of friendship does to ya lol
I disagree
@@blaizegottman4139 You really don’t have to reply to EVERY comment.
@@notatallfunctional I'm just saying how I feel
The difference between Spike and Sparky is that Twilight had Spike since he hatched and that happened well before the start of the show so he had time to be taught to talk.
The other difference is that Sparky is a walking, talking, annoying merchandise price tag that sounds like a reject Bibble from the Fairytopia movies.
His name doesn't even make sense…
For all intents and purposes, Spike was a character, Sparky was a plot device. Take any baby character in any animated show - the baby from Ice Age, Poof from Fairly Oddparents, the Cake Twins, or Flurry Heart. They all act... pretty much the same way; because they exist to cause problems for the main characters, to be annoying, and sometimes for the main characters to go 'aww' at. Heck, let's throw an oddball example into the mix - Fallout 4! Another baby, that exists as a plot device to drive the player, and only becomes a character when it _literally_ becomes a different character.
@@Mega-Brick Poof only existed because of declining ratings, that's not a great comparison.
@@mattwo7 That doesn't have anything to do with how the character acts, though. The comparison works, because I'm not comparing why they exist.
They’ve shot themselves in the foot on several occasions. Hiring Kimiko Glenn for the movie is in my opinion the biggest one. Her voice is so beautiful, iconic, unique, and all around irreplaceable. She has such a gorgeous cadence that her voice is synonymous with Izzy in my mind. Therefore, she is the most noticeably different voice among the main cast and it’s jarring.
Then there’s the total disregard towards the lore, considering on multiple occasions FiM established that the world is basically doomed without magic. I was okay with the canon presented in the movie because that crystal artifact felt more like something that _already_ existed, and not something created by Twilight for some arbitrary reason.
_And oh fucking god while we’re on Twilight…_
I preferred that in the movie, the original Mane Six were only vaguely referenced, and never by name. It felt like we could write G4 off as if it’s heavily modified historical fiction in the eyes of G5, but now we can’t. Twilight Sparkle _exists_ in canon. She was mentioned by name, her voice is there… and she DESTROYS the _ONE THING_ that is consistently shoved in your face OVER AND OVER again in G4; friendship and harmony _ARE_ magic. I know a thing or two about character building, and having watched Friendship is Magic multiple times since I was nine years old, I can definitively say that Twilight would _never_ let magic be broken like that. I wanted to believe that the crystals were separated _after_ the Mane Six were long dead. But Make Your Mark sat in the way of that headcanon, and now I can’t excuse this flaw.
Agreed. Izzy's new VA sounds absolutely nothing like Kimiko Glenn and it's to the point where I find Izzy incredibly irritating, when Izzy was my favourite G5 pony from the movie :/
Honestly, we don't know if the Mane Six were all around when Twilight did the thing, given she would likely have been immortal like Celestia and Luna are, outliving any other pony around. Though by that logic, you'd think Cadence would've been around to maybe talk some sense into Twilight unless she left with Celestia and Luna and never came back, leaving Twilight to make decisions that, while she has experience if it's been several generations, she's still a flawed person and can do impulsive things with good intention
@@ToHoldNothing Unfortunately, the recent episode with hologram Twilight has her in her younger form, which means the crystals were made before she got all tall, when the Mane 6 were still alive. Personally though, I'm taking this as a sign that we're looking at a split timeline. The series finale with Tall Twilight takes place in a timeline where Twilight successfully defeated Opaline with the Magic of Friendship, and G5 takes place in a timeline where the magic of friendship failed and Twilight had to resort to the unity crystals. Salty G4 fan headcanon? Maybe, but it does explain a great deal of inconsistencies.
I don't know why they bothered getting the famous people they couldn't afford to keep around for the movie it would of been much better to keep to the same voices. I liked the movie but the series sucks.
I remember growing very concerned when I found out Vanessa Hudgens would be voicing Sunny. Like, that seemed like it'd be super expensive when it's not even likely G5 would pull in the same numbers as G4.
It's even worse to know that these celebrity VAs really WERE out of the budget and the audience had to get used to a huge voice cast change right out the gate.
It really sucks that G5 has to tie back to G4 because there are good concepts like exploring earth pony magic, that are really interesting. If G5 was just set in another world or universe, the writers could have a fresh start, and not have to focus on keeping continuity of this and this. The writes could focus on these new concepts without having to worry about pre-established lore and cannon. (And they also wouldn’t have to undo and ruin everything G4 set up)
I still like it
Could even get away with establishing it's the same universe still but keep references to a minimum, like G4 was so long ago that it's events don't really have any bearing on G5 but constant reminders of the older better series is going to keep G5's identity in a shadow
It was fine for the movie, it set up so many questions where nearly anything could explain what happened over the long years. Heck- they could've just introduced the whole world as part of a separate continent from Equestria that used to be connected but drifted apart for some unfriendly reason. But they somewhat butchered the writing in the show and it makes me a lil sad.
I think they just hopped the G4 bandwagon as nostalgia-bait and as a way to try and keep the G4 fans from leaving after G4 was announced to be ending.
So true!
That's the main reason I won't watch it. Doesn't matter if a show is decent if it insists on destroying the beloved legacy that came before it. MLP, Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, Rings of Power, I refuse to support any project that spits on its own heritage while simultaneously trying to stand on its shoulders.
The writing in G4 MLP was more sophisticated, better writing, that is why adults enjoyed that show so much. With G5 seems almost like a deliberate action to eliminate the adult enjoyment, to dampen the sophistication, tweak more for the kids.
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It's very possible it's an attempt to ruin the fandom so that they can start over clean in a few years, without baggage from various controversies.
Yeah that's how I felt too. I watched mlp during my preteen years but it's still very enjoyable to watch as an adult. This new generation just feels too quirky and childish, but not in a good way.
Which from a marketing standpoint, only hurts the product. One of the ways Disney manages to be such a juggernaut is by making movies/shows/etc for both kids and adults to love. If you the adults are sighing at every turn with a kids show, they are much less likely to interact with it. Sure the kid may think its great but will soon out grow it. Eventually, you run the risk of losing your investment. Your foot hold becomes lost. Now you have to either start of all over and hope that you can catch that lighting in a bottle again or fail trying.
Oh yeah
Something I wanted to bring up was the lack of worldbuilding in G5. G4, from the first episode, established a wide world so every new location or character introduced just made sense, since the world was clearly so big. But for G5, it feels so SMALL. 😫
I agree with you. It all seems very small except for maybe the exception of Zephyr Heights. Because the races are separated again, there is no Cloudsdale or big royal Capital like there was in G4's first couple episodes to give it that scale. Hopefully as the story goes on it will expand, I would hate to be stuck with only the 3 locations lol
It feels like the population just
Dwindled
As well.
Arguably g4 overdid world building in later seasons
The issue to me, is moreso the way it doesn't make sense. See, we're about ten episodes into G5. Ten episodes into G4, we had a similar setup: an Earth Pony town, a Pegasi town, and a Unicorn town. (and one vague mention of Manehatten or Fillydelphia, can't remember which.) The difference is... G4 somehow made it work.
And I think that's because G4 told us how it all fits together. We learn quickly that Celestia rules a nation, Equestria, and Canterlot is the capital. We learn that Ponyville has a mayor, and that mayor leads the town but technically answers to Celestia. We aren't told who leads Cloudsdale, but it's easy to understand they also answer to Celestia.
With G5... what is actually the situation? We're led to believe that Phyllis is the mayor of Maretime Bay (though we're never told that), for some reason Alphabittle is the de-facto representative for Bridlewood (even though we've only seen him running a bar), and Queen Haven is... queen of Zephyr Heights. Or is she queen of all of Equestria now? We have no idea, because we're not told. Is Equestria one unified nation? Is it three separate nation states? No clue.
And because of that, the world feels small. Like little, disconnected bubbles. It's hard to imagine a world beyond it, because we can't even imagine what we have as one whole piece.
@@andrewgreeb916 overdoing is better than under-doing.
also i tend to disagree
My biggest issue is the fact they decided to make G5 and G4 a shared world when in doing so, that opens up A LOT of plot holes and makes the journey of G4 meaningless because it was all lost in a few years.
Yep. Biggest plot hole being the wendigos. How are they not all frozen to death unless Twilight's bubble that Opaline said was dropped over Equestria also somehow shields them from the wendigos? And does that mean everything else froze to death outside the bubble?
I don't mind that, it could have worked
@@welon17 yeah but from what we've seen it really doesn't.
Yes.
Ponies got sht wreck every other day, and the episode of the book of harmony/diary of harmony, dnt remember the name, show how stupid they were as a society, all make sense
One of my beefs about the movie was that they had modern tech and seemingly, the Internet, but none of the races interacted with each other and harbored bizarre stereotypes about one another.
That magenta pony's design is truly grotesque. It looks like they tried to shoehorn a caricature of a real person or somebody's fursona into the show.
Also where are the windagos, they literally were creatures that showed up because unicorns pegasai and earth pony couldn’t get along
Maybe pony internet censors? Lmao
@@samdwimch7345 , exactly!
only pegasi owned the internet and telephones, other races were not so advanced in technology
I’m so glad I’m not the only person who’s bothered by the Alicorn’s color palette. Like, those colors do not work together at all.
I only watched the movie and I don't even remember half of it, but I feel like the cutiemarks are really underplayed. They were a symbol that could quickly be tied to a character and they also told you something important about that character. With the 3D animation, I feel like you can't see it clearly most of the time. This could have been a fun opportunity to change up the cutiemark style into something that's bigger than an image on a flank. It could have been something more complex that takes up more space on a pony like vines wrapping around the legs instead of a picture of a leaf. Just anything to make it more visible honestly.
(Sidenote: G4 had something really good with easy to comprehend character designs. The 2D aspect made it easy for kids to try and replicate that style in their own art. Not only that though, the mane 6 were basically a rainbow of colors. They were a set of ponies that could really appeal to kids. The designs in G5 may be cute but they don't fit together the same. There's too much orange and blue with a sudden pop of white from Zipp. There was more balance in G4.)
(Also I'm not even going to go into the Twilight thing. I'll just get too mad at the character suicide of her.)
Yes thank you, I thought I was the only one bothered by the colors.
They could've made the cutiemarks sparkle like glitter.
Or reglect more light like velvet or metal
Just a texture difference for them to always have an starkling difference to the rest of the fur, changing up some numbers for that texture in the render should do it.
I still have no idea what their cutie marks even are because I can't see them. They really needed to make them pop more, and be on both sides so you have double the chance to try to make them out. Or better, since there was apparently no magic, they shouldn't have had cutie marks at all, and that be part of what reappears when the magic came back.
@@annienunyabiz6627 Completely! Cutie marks are literally magic! Why do they still have them? If they can get cutie marks I feel like Pegasi should still be able to fly, even if it’s just gliding or something.
They're trying to make it important in scenes where they glow, which I suppose is better than the potential problems where they can be identifiers, but they can also be reductive of their identity, like they can't do anything else when they can, even if it's not as good (like Hitch making smoothies). Wondering about Misty especially, since I'm getting a vibe that this is an inversion of G4's story, since Misty would be the Twilight Sparkle parallel, just with twists, like how she doesn't have a dragon (maybe she'll get one or some other animal companion) and the alicorn princess she's under is evil
It's very odd for them to show Twilight in her regular form when G4 ended on her being a big tall Princess. Overall feels like they could have done more and made things make more sense if G5 was unrelated to previous versions.
Maybe G5 could take place in an alternative reality where G4 played out differently
That's just a theory I have
Did you know some people did not like Twilight's final appearance as a big tall pony. They thought she looked too much like Celestia, a recoloured Celestia for that matter. I also find it strange Twilight would grow that big within twenty years when Luna who obviously of course lived way before Twilight got around never got such a dramatic growth spurt. Its also a shame Equestria did not continue to have a royal family who would keep the land and ponies in harmony too. You would think Twilight would become really long-lived like the royal sisters and be able to rule for ages , which makes me wonder how long G5 takes place after G4. Perhaps this means Opaline is way more powerful than what has been shown and is the reason for the division of Equestria and the loss of magic. If so that would be a really epic opportunity for the show. Just a few thoughtss...
The vision given by Lauren Faust truly made G4 stand out, and straight up saved it from being another subpar marketing ploy meant to cater to infant children. The writing was rich, had depth and was trying to convey stories, with overarching plot lines and characters that were likable, relatable and had charm.
G5 on the other hand feels neutered, feeling like a step back into that money-first-quality-after mentality Hasbro clearly likes to go for for basically any other MLP product that isn’t FIM. While I’ve enjoyed the first movie and the cast of characters (despite even those not being as good as FIM, IMO), everything subsequent to it failed to inherit the sheer sophistication that came with G4, something I foresaw before we even got the first glimpse of A New Generation.
The magic, no pun intended, has been voided. But do I believe that we’ll ever get any good MLP content in the future, similar to G4? I like to remain hopeful, but unfortunately it looks like the current G5 will not take any of those stepping stones to embellish itself with the same coating its predecessor had. Here’s hoping someone out there will have the same epiphany Lauren Faust did.
Honestly as a kid going into teen and adult I actually wanted g4, sadly I couldn't afford a single dang thing due to prices being higher than a monster high doll
I do agree that so far overall FiM is better but I gotta as well written as FiM was for the kind of show it was, it was definitely not deep, did the show had some nuance moments sprinkled throughout the shows run absolutely but there was no depth, which is fine considering it doesnt need to have depth be a sucessful toy ad.
What? She didn't even last two seasons into the show
@@TheSultan1470 I never suggested she had a helping hand on the entire thing and I’m well aware she left early on in its lifespan. I was honing in the fact that she concocted FIM’s prime concept and premise to have a certain type of appeal, to which the writers that did work on the show afterwards kept the vision of. I’m currently uneducated on the specific ins and outs of who did what and who is who, but I do know that the team who worked on the show shared a similar passion and view Faust did.
And the show handled lessons I never expected to be geared towards a younger audience, like how to recognize the manipulative tactics of a cult who, despite seeming very welcoming, might plan on harming you.
i didnt like that they said Earth ponys are using magic for the first time(Even from Twilight). To me it seems like they could always use magic. It always seemed like they had a strong connection to the Earth( In Hearts Warming Eve a plant grow right away in their hoof) and some Earth ponies were a lot stronger(able to pull a train and a house). Tirek even absorbs magic from them.
Writers are just out of tune with the prev work.
The show can use improvement
I feel the same way. Saying Earth ponies never had magic until now annoys me greatly, they clearly had magic before.
But i guess earth magic/practical magic isn't "real" magic with big tomes and crystals, or. Something. I'm just trying to see their logic but man is it dumb. They probably straight up forgot about it.
At first I was like 'oh are they really going to delve into it and make it a more overt part of the show now? That's cool!' And then it was a 'no no this is totally a new thing, trust us' and I felt the worldbuilding crumble.
If it's connected to the original series, which it is now pushing for, so many things I could brush off as them doing their own thing become annoying questions. Why haven't the wendigos eaten everyone yet? If earth ponies never had magic, what about all that magical stuff and why didn't everyone starve without the earth ponies' making up most of the farming or food industry? How did the others manage their own food and what was that like? Why does Twilight look younger than she did at the end of the show? Are Celestia and Luna still alive? Etc...
But at the end of the day, like Saberspark said, I'm not the demographic they're angling for anymore, and as long as the kids are enjoying the new show then it's all good, they're not doing anything morally wrong. Earth pony magic was still always there though!
The biggest disappointment to me is Hitch. When the first movie released, he was my second favorite out of the main cast, but he feels so different in the show than he did in the first movie. Before, his personality was kinda like Flynn Rider, a little arrogant (but still not mean) and kinda a comic relief at the same time, but all his charm is gone. It's kinda sad how Sunny makes a better Hitch than Hitch does 😔
And the cocomelon dragon is an abomination
The only character I think improved slightly since the original series is Pipp. She was mostly just complaining in the first movie.
Exactly!! Hitch was literally my favorite character in the movie, but the show REALLY just 💥
COCOMELON DRAGON LMAOOO
bro im dying cocomelon dragon 💀
@@Ssylphie can't believe he said that
@@LulamoonEnjoyer worst joke ever
spike was the best character honestly. they did such a good job of making him a funny character of the main cast that the other characters respected while also having soft moments where twilight and others treat him his age. adorable and i loved it
well he played the strait man in many jokes or did plenty of dead pan
He was the little brother of the show: funny, annoying, loyal and had his own arc of finding his identity. Like the rest of the characters, he was very well written
@@nickimillenniumYes, to the point when I and probably many other people, could relate to one of these two characters. I'm like Twilight Sparkle to a degree and her interactions with Spike remind me sometimes of me and my younger brother. Especially when Spike makes sarcastic comments about Twilght's behaviour. 🤣
Animation wise, FiM was made with Macromedia Flash 8 (a very old version of Adobe Animate) while the Movie, the rainbow special and EG Summertime shorts were made in Toon Boom. Pony Life and Tell your tale was also done in this software but they definitely had a smaller budget.
oh wow your here
It was done in cs4
Were the later seasons of FiM also done in Flash? I noticed that season 5 and beyond tended to have super detailed backgrounds and far more expressive animation.
@@Commenter839 Later seasons just used Adobe Animate.
I haven't seen you for 476323256772 years
The sad part is, anyone who says they like g4 more gets attacked now. It's been reduced to "nostalgia", and they keep getting told they can't move on or don't give g5 a chance, even though nearly everyone has seen both now. They seem to just refuse to accept some people prefer the g4 story better. I literally posted something about this earlier today actually, because it's rediculously divisive now...
You’re allowed to like the parts of the franchise you like, no one should tell you “you must like it all for your opinion to be valid”. I prefer 2 movies from G1 - that’s it, anyone gives you grief send them my way and I’ll tell them to blow off. 😊
i hate how the nostalgia arguement seems to be the main defense now for literally anytime someone compares an older work to its modern counterpart.
obviously nostalgia can play a role in how someone positively perceives a work and sometimes people are simply blinded by nostalgia, but thats not always the case.
I haven't watched any of MLP but I feel for you folks cause this just gives me Star Wars flashbacks
Don't let anyone tell you that you need to accept the new even if you don't like it, or that your criticism isn't valid because it's not for you / it's for kids. If you were a fan and stuck by this show, and now you don't like it, you have all the right to speak out about it and your opinion is valid
@@kvproductions2581 especially if the "kids" show is supposedly telling a greater story/message. Avatar is a kid's show, but it has an intricate story and people are allowed to critique it without the defense of it being "just a kid's show." Something like Dora wouldn't be open to the same type of criticism since it's plot and characters are meant to be very simple, to teach young children and pretty much only targets itself towards young children.
@@artmoryoo That too, there's a big difference between a child / teen show like avatar and an infant / toddler show like dora, yes.
As someone who never really got into G4, I just wanna say that I don't think it's wrong to ask for more from a kids' show. Any show that can pull in more than its target audience thanks to high effort is worth praising, and will be all the more memorable when the kids that grew up on it look back on it. G4 put its absolute best foot forward, and was all the more popular for it. It was made to be more than just a commercial, it had integrity. We should ask that of every show.
Look at the 'kids' shows we got in the 90's, when for a short time Western animation took itself seriously.
We got the ASTOUNDING "Batman the Animated Series". We got "X-Men". We got "Gargoyles". We got "Animaniacs".
Everything about them was amazing, and they have stood the test of time. Now? Kids shows are utterly forgettable.
tbh kids shows DESERVE to have more effort. These are things tht the adults of the future are gonna be yk, raised with. Especially tht not everyone has good parents
@@Alondro77 you have chowder, tawog, craig of the creek, Doraemon, Wander Over Yonder, Jelly Jamm, and a million more
the past is great and all but things rn arent tht bad either
This. There are SO many shows that I watched as a kid that I can still watch as an adult because they hold up for the adult brain. I can enjoy them now. Then there are the shows that got dumbed down and shortened so much that they are just not digestible for me as an adult because they are just so "little kid campy". I don't want shows I can only watch as a kid and enjoy. I want shows I can watch as a kid... enjoy as a kid.... and then SHOW MY KID... and enjoy it with them. Like it brings me so much joy to sit down and watch Coraline and HTTYD with my kid because I get to enjoy something I watched as a kid with him. I hope for the same thing for my kid. That the movies and shows he watches now will still be enjoyable and fun for him to watch as an adult with his kids if he chooses to have them.
There ARE some kids shows already that I genuinely enjoy watching with my son like Octonauts and Wild Kratts. The Wild Kratts one especially cause it takes me back to watching Zaboomafoo as a kid. So I know these shows will hold up and still be fun for him to watch when he's older because I enjoy watching them with him. I don't groan and hope he will change what we are watching, I'm perfectly content sitting down and watching these shows with him.
Friendship is magic is a preschool show near the children's rating while make your mark is a preschool show far from the children's rating
I think that spark that you're looking for is the spark that Lauren Faust actually created in G4, because she said in an interview that everything she created and thought of was everything that she had created and thought of as a little girl playing with the G1/G2 figures that she had while growing up and remember a lot of the names from G4 Ponies were the only real connections to previous generations along with the dragon called Spike, she had created her own world and was passionate about it and she was happy to actually make that simple playtime imagination event a reality, which is why it seemed like it was so much better, because technically it was something that had existed long before it was a show idea for others to view, it was just a little girl's fun time with her imagination and then she became a woman, was able to trasform it into reality for others to enjoy. So G4 will always be the best MLP in my opinion, because it had true magic The Magic of a child's imagination you know the thing we lose when we go from child to adult, that vivid imagination once we become adults it goes away in reality kicks in, yeah that, however G5 seems like it's going to be an okay watch, in comparison to a lot of the other stuff on Netflix. I think everyone's biggest concern is that they had to make G5 tied to G4 which is something that's never been done in any of the previous G1/2/3 generations other than certain Pony names and a Dragon named Spike. but if Hasbro decides, and they have, G5 is related to G4 they kind of force a certain obligation to fans of G4, that if done wrong is going to destroy the G5 series, but if done correctly will actually help boost sales, so far it's looking okay but not really anything above and beyond but it is still at an early stage so they could improve upon it, but I have to agree with you the little dragon is kind of annoying in a way like Flurry Heart was, but he seems to be necessary for whatever they've got planned in the future of the show so it looks like he's here to stay.
Very very well said
Maybe the My Little Pony franchise would be better off without Hasbro getting in the way. Maybe it's time for Hasbro to let it go. Not destroy it at all! I'm not saying that. I'm more saying, to sell it off to another company, like Universal, or anyone, before they end up turning their ponies into uncanny valley demon babies.
@@davidhileman8567 Hasbro has actually been doing a good job on a lot of things, they're redoing Hero Quests which is to the exact near replica of the Milton Bradley version before Games Workshop took it over, minus a few things that they could not purchase such as the chaos word use, so it's now Dread, which is actually kind of Cooler because Dreadful in my opinion would be worse than chaos, chaos is just unexpected not necessarily evil but not really good either and I think they're doing pretty good on G5 compared to what others would do. Disney for example is a trashy company that has its hands in all other once separate companies, like Marvel, LucasArts, etc, other than a few things being okay I do not support Disney, so it doesn't really matter what they've got it's a company embedded with too much disgusting things in its history and I know at one time they tried to purchase MLP from Hasbro and Hasbro declined and I'm so glad they did, Universal is not that good of a company, they work with a lot of other too big to give a damn companies and have also been known for the Fast and Furious Fiasco that smuggled real weapons into South America, arming drug cartels, next thing you know they'll be smuggling dope inside Pony plushies. Hasbro has a good thing going and I'm pretty sure they could come up with a lot more things too like board games, video games, Etc. If you're upset about G5 for whatever reason it's barely started but it still seems interesting, give it more time.
I don't really see why people have a lot of hate for G5, sure it's no G4 and never will be, but it's still better than having a franchise just sitting around collecting dust waiting to be used, the only problem is yes they did tie it into G4 meaning they've got a lot of responsibilities, people just need to realize if it's something you don't like and for good reason, then voice your concerns of criticism to see if it'll improve or not then move on, but if you hate it just because it's not exactly what you want and it makes you angry then go make something yourself that would be to your liking, I don't mean you personally I mean anybody who thinks or feels that particular way, most people have this entitlement syndrome nowadays that they have to get what they want when they want if there's any slight difference they complain I blame it on the participation ribbons people have had it easy so since there's no problem they have to create a problem just to complain, and I believe you're forgetting one important thing, Hasbro is a toy company, Hasbro has been great at making toys for many generations, even if it fails in movies or shows it won't in the toy industry, which is also declining because most kids now prefer electronic play items, over handheld physical dolls, toys Etc. Not sure where the idea of them selling came from, but I doubt they will because it's a money maker they still own the rights to the pony molds and I'm sure those molds are pumping out plastic ponies like crazy and that's making them quite a bit of money, would other companies like to get a hold of it? Sure, but would Hasbro be stupid enough to sell? I don't believe so.
@@sunboltgift711 Good point. Then again, maybe they'd just sell the movie and TV rights?
@@sunboltgift711 Maybe I will give it more time, but if I had it (the money), I would probably bet at least 200 dollars that G5 will go up in flames by either the middle or the end of the decade. Maybe around 2026, or something. Then we'll just see if maybe Hasbro will put out a G6, which I would be pretty interested in checking out. Or maybe a continuation of the better G4, maybe where the ponies land in the real (live action) world, Pete's Dragon or Enchanted style. I mean, computers would make the job of putting even 2D characters in a live action setting easier than around the time of Pete's Dragon's release, when the PC industry had pretty much just begun, with the Apple II, and the TRS-80 (even all we had for home video games was the recently-launched Atari 2600), but still, computers were still quite rare, and they stuck with the harder (but still pretty good-looking) practical effects of the time.
One of the issues with 3D is errors become much more obvious. G4 had its fair share of errors, but the 2D style hid it well enough to ignore. Though I still have a screen grab of Roid Rage's brow detaching from his head and trying to float away.
Derpy Hooves was an error that became fanon and circled back round to canon.
@@PointsofData don’t you mean 'Muffins'?
@@Ebalosus Derpy is the original fanon name and was used as an official name until there was backlash. Alternative names that Hasbro used after were Muffins and Ditzy Doo, but most people still refer to her as Derpy.
@@PointsofData I know, as I’ve still got an original rip of _The Last Roundup_ where RD calls her that, and think the whole Derpygate thing was stupid.
@@Ebalosus Definitely. I find the original name more endearing than... Muffin.
I was so mad when Sunny (orange pony with the purple hair) became an alicorn at the end the movie.
Twilight went through so much, SO much to get acknowledged and deal with all her and her friends and practically ALL OF EQUESTRIA'S problems to become an alicorn.
And yea I get Sunny did too by returning the magic but like...it don't weight as much to me compared to Twilight. She got her alicorn privileges way too fast and they aren't even permanent!!
Only way that's gonna make sense is if she isn't a true alicorn, and it's just Twilight's alicorn magic manifesting and existing in her for a time until the Mane 5 free Twilight from wherever she's stuck. Then Sunny loses her alicorn status or gets actual wings cause she freed Twilight, and Twilight gets her magic back from Sunny.
@@annienunyabiz6627 I kinda agree, that would make more sense!
@@annienunyabiz6627 Maybe a cryostatis type situation? Alicorns are immortal afterall, I doubt having no magic would of taken away her alicorn wings/ immortality as opaline remains, but if she was present modern day she would of heard of the crystals reuniting and come to the brighthouse? Maybe shes just dead and sunny is semi alicorn and has to earn the rest of the alicorness facing off against Opaline, who knows! an engima im waiting to see solved tbh
I know right? That's just so dumb!
I remember when I watched twilight become an alicorn. I was shocked. And with sunny you feel like "yeah she got wings of course whatever"
Growing up in the 2000's I am kinda surprised, that the trend of making a show just to sell toys is over, cartoons nowadays have actually compelling stories with complex well written characters
I mean we’ve always had that, these days kids just don’t play with toys which is why the transformers shows on Netflix is an outlier
Honestly I’d say it was worse for a while if not still, we do see some really well written stuff but so many shows (especially reboots) are dumbed down for kids to the point where it gets annoying and not interesting.
Or rather, USED TO.
IDK did you see the new Strawberry Shortcake? Yikes.
It's not really over, all popular toy series nowadays have their shows (Rainbow High, OMG dolls, Monster High etc), except these toys are more popular than their own toys, while in case of G4 MLP the show was pretty much just as popular as the toys.
The big issue with 3D vs. 2D that's been bugging me is that it's more noticeable and feels more off when the ponies move in ways that a real horse couldn't without breaking joints. The G4 ponies had some of the same unrealistic movements, but because that show was 2D, it didn't look quite so weird. Aside from that, I think the visuals are pretty good.
Their running especially looks very weird. In G4, it at least had some resemblance to actual horses running. In G5, it's this weird loping gait where their head kinda bobs up and down in a sort of downward angle.
It's very noticeable when a 3d character tries to move like a 2d one.
Pinkie pie would not work in 3d.
Imagine what a Lovecraftian nightmare 3D Pinkie Pie would be.
I don't know anything about the show, but just based off of the screenshots I don't really like their faces. There is something almost uncanny about the facial expressions.
@@blueflare3848 the EYEBROWS are terrible and the over stimulating colors… the ponies have no originality. the show was definitely aimed at small children. bc children make the company the most money..
I can kinda accept smartphones being brought in. As we know Twilight has been to the human realm several times. If they explained she created them, then I think it makes sense. An item to aid ponies that have no ability to use magic and keep ponies connected easily. Whether they implement it nicely or just cram them in sloppily is another story.
Smartphones for people without fingers...just stating the obvious problem XD
no need to go to human realm for improving technology, ponies arent stupid, they have scientists too! they can create their own technology in time. of course it will be like that
@@CptApplestrudl I sort of accept without issue since with fingers people still struggle and you have smart devices like Alexa or Google voice so they could probably have some sort of software also the buttons could be designed in a hoof shape
@@CptApplestrudl it’d be cool if the ponies’ phone equivalent was like an Apple watch bc then it’d make sense and you could make some cool bracelet designs.
but raising a new problem. why no contact with the other races if they have that kind of tech
Wow, “I miss spike” is a sentence I never thought I’d here, let alone agree with
Spike was always under-respected tbh
Spike had his fair share of bad episodes and awkward moments, but overall he was an excellent character. Plus, HE CAN ACTUALLY TALK UNLIKE SPARKY
Honestly, G5 shot itself in the foot by being a sequel to Friendship Is Magic. Not only will it be constantly compared to its predecessor, it will be forced to be shackled to the continuity established by FiM. There's still hope and hell, G5 might be able to salvage the dumb Grogar twist.
Grogar twist was pretty cool imo
G5 is Great
Lets just say its another universe where Twilight didn't become the copy of celestia
@@me2552 I Guess that makes sense
I remember watching an older generation of MLP on VHS when I was younger and very sick. The most intense plot moment was when a pony lost their hairbrush and thought another pony stole it. It was resolved within minutes. And the VHS was SEVERAL EPISODES long.
I was so, SO excited and proud when FIM was created. And it's heartbreaking to see the series take this...huge step back. It's not entirely back to square one but...yeah.
That has to be gen 3. Gen 1 was more like FiM. Tirek/Tirak and Grogar came from g1 characters. And there was a Somnambula villain. Go watch the very first series, you might be surprised.
@BlueBraviaryGirl Thank you! I was so surprised to hear people thinking that the newer show was where it started to get serious, haha!
Listening to a grown man ramble about ponies for almost 18 minutes is a great way to spend my day.
Mhm
^w^ indeed
But he hates sparky so I don't like the video
LMAOO
@@blaizegottman4139 sparky is shit
mlp g4 came out when I was 7 and I wholeheartedly rid the mlp train for a good 6 years until I stopped watching in the 7th grade. at the time, I felt old and watching mlp was like an embarrassing secret. it had never occurred to my 12 year old self that there was an entire section of the fandom ran by to much older (and sometimes weird) individuals.
Relatable lol, I watched In secret even though I *was* part of the demographic but it felt like a guilty pleasure type show. All of my cousins(older teens-young adult) liked it and I guess I didn’t wanna copy them? They were full on bronies and female bronies.
Was? Still is. XD
Yeah most people in the series and fandom are weird
@@justkittensbeingkittens5892 that's cool
@@justkittensbeingkittens5892 Female bronies are called pegasisters
I feel bad for the Movie's voice actors. Celebrity voice acting is usually used as a marketing ploy, but this movie was an exception. Sofia Carson, Kimiko Glenn, Vanessa Hudgens, James Marsden, and Liza Koshy all delivered spectacular performances as their respective ponies. I even bought myself a toy of Pipp Petals, not just because I loved her design with her fluffy cloud wings, but Sofia Carson singing Glowing up was an absolutely beautiful experience. So When I heard that Everypony would be recast in The Make Your Mark show, I wasn't angry, just really really heartbroken.
It's not surprising in hindsight. There's no way G5 would be profitable if all the main cast was voiced by celebrities. I honestly think it was a mistake to hire celebrities in the first place- there are countless VAs that can both voice and sing for these characters that also wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to keep around.
Realistically do you really think THESE voice actors would do the actual show?
Also, I think they should have used the Canadian voiceovers to begin with. Because there are more subtle ways to make money such as a Console Game for Equestria Girls.
They should have chose these actors instead
• Grey Delisle - Sunny Starscout
• Kimiko Glenn - Izzy Moonbow
• Tom Kenny - Hitch Trailblazer
• Kate Higgins - Zipp Storm
• Jill Talley - Pipp Petals
• America Ferrera - Misty Brightdawm
• Gary Anthony Williams - Sparky Sparkeroni
• Mark Dacascos - Sprout Cloverleaf
• Alex Bornstein - Phyllis Cloverleaf
• Hank Azaria - Alphabittle
• Julie Kavner - Queen Haven
• Nancy Cartwright - Queen Opaline
• Rhys Darby - Argyle Starshine
OK, you guys make a good point. It would have been tricky to bring back the Movie's voice actors for a low-budget TV show.
Even as a casual fan of G4, I can say nothing in this series is ever going to live up to it. This franchise is a toy based cash grab at heart and I think G4 was truly lightning in a bottle.
It would have been so much cooler if twilight was the villain. She could have gone all nightmare moon because she outlived the others. Really dark, but really good. She could have like wanted all the magic so she could try to bring them back.
As much as i love that idea mlp has always been a kids show and always will be and the lore of it has never really been that big part of the story even back in g4
We've already seen midnight sparkle in Equestria girls so I really like this idea
Hell yeah!!!!! I really liked this idea tbh
@Marav Reviews EG was good and i will die on this hill
@@Sigmaqueen6969 have you seen the way they handled villains in g4? They straight up killed crystilis
Damn that sucks but I had zero expectations for the new gen since the movie. I can only hope it gets better overtime and find it’s footing
Edit (guys wtf are all these likes omg)
I sincerely lost interest in G5 long before it started. Particularly because of leaks which were pretty negative to G4 and because of the whole thing about using the same timeline while basically making all the lessons pf G4 null as if somehow nothing was learned from Twilight Sparkle by the next generations.
Ew mha fansnoy
@@eminemfan50098 Twilight literally got rid of magic?? How can you say that's a good thing?!
*hoofing
Wink wink
@@eminemfan50098 Twilight literally did what Cozyglow did in the show. You know… a villain?
Sparky is literally Flurry Heart 2.0 (magical sneezing and all) except he’s more contrived and shoehorned into the plot.
It amuses me how an “unexplainably born an alicorn” baby is used and written more wisely than an infant dragon.
What the f#£k is a Flurry Heart
@@mrnobody1650 a baby alicorn who can shot kamehamehas with a sneaze
But dumber and stupider
@@mrnobody1650 An alicorn forged from the depths of a titanium womb
@@mrnobody1650 shining armor and candance's child
Friendship is magic is the best. No question.
is there a single human being on the face of the earth who would contest that
@@blitzn00dle50 probably not 😆
I watched the g5 MLP movie. I liked a lot of it, though I much would have preferred a more nuanced and detailed look into the worlds they each were from, but I get it, it's a kids movie. The pacing was so fast I couldn't finish because they sorta stopped worldbuilding and started trying to move on with the plot too quickly for me to stay interested
Same. The movie was surprisingly good, and they really nailed the feeling that the world the G5 characters inhabit is one that has a lot of history to it, even if they don’t quite grasp it yet.
The series on the other hand…
"It's a kids' movie". This is entirely the problem. The G4 movie was a mess, but it expanded the world with a scary villain from a place where slavery and corruption are commonplace things, showing a big world that wasn't all the same. The G5 movie just went "sunshines and rainbows and everyone in these three towns that are THE ENTIRE WORLD just THINKS bad stuff exists".
Moldy food is good to give to kids, because its just for kids! 🙄
@Sabersраrk 🅥 fakerspark
@@Nebulon-B_Frigate_FTW i love G4 movie so much
Yeah I’ve also a lot of mixed feelings about G5. It’s a step back in a lot of ways.
G5 really feels like it’s a kids show, whereas G4 felt like a FAMILY show. The key difference being g4 is something that the parents could sit down and enjoy with their kids. I did feel some of the later episodes got better, so my hope is that the writers slowly get better and better as time goes on. I’m not counting on it or holding my breath, but it is a hope.
Also…I really wish we could have kept the voice actors from the movie. They were wonderful and the new voices are….fine, but noticeably weaker. I’ve noticed a number of pretty flat deliveries and just….overall lackluster performances.
Yes however about the voices. They had really famous people for the movie so it's understandable why they would have to downgrade.
Another good example of a FAMILY show would be the original TTTE
@@jacobjcb8883 TTTE as in Thomas the Tank Engine?
@@gondoravalon7540 Yep
It's a shame the show's been murdered by Mattel
Sunny being extremely naive seems to be a character trait. Her plans depend on extreme jumps in logic and idealism, but she also has charisma that catches others in her insanity. We saw it in the movie and again in series. Zipp is the only character that seems to really think things through, but Sunny's enthusiasm still has the power to make her forget to think at times.
Snuy
Yeah but Twilight also realized when plans failed, and granted she wasn't always able to solve things on her own, but she'd never let things get as bad as they did at the start of G5. Speaking of which, windigoes - where are they? G5 ponies should've frozen to death by now.
My biggest problem.
What the h€ll happened to the worldbuilding?
Ponyville, Canterlot, the Crystal Empire, Manehattan, Las Pegasus, Appaloosa, Yakyakistan, the Dragon Land, Seaquestria, Griffin Rock, Starlight's Town, Saddle Arabia, wherever Zecora comes from, the Changeling Hive/Kingdom. The EVERFREE FOREST.
Discord's Realm. The Tartarus.
The Dream Realm.
And so on.
As a Transformers fan you get a very distinct feeling of understanding when Saberspark explains that a beloved character from a previous universe shows up as a mentor/hologram in an adaptation that would have been better as a standalone. Also, G1 being only one big advertisement (and the generations after that...) that good artists somehow got their hands on nd made something bigger and better out of
Right there with you
Not really sure what you mean, Rescue Bots?
@@mattwo7 I think they meant robots in disguise 2015
It’s scary how much the mlp and tf fandoms have in common
Especially in the way their treated
@@aerickmon3350 two prongs of the same devil's pitchfork
As someone who had a chance to work directly on something G5 related on an official capacity last year when working on the G5 console game, I had the privilege to see a good portion of the G5 movie many months early before it officially launched. It honestly hyped me up a ton, knowing there was such a high quality piece of media to open up G5 with, and I got very passionate in doing G5 right with the gameplay animation work I did.
It set the bar extremely high, and I wanted to be as close to that bar as possible. But sometime down the line, I started to realize how our game project was just not on the same caliber as the movie. Like, not even close. We had only about a dozen people on average to work on this game for just under a year, in contrast to the Movie's many hundreds with many years to work on it.
I'm pretty sure Atomic Cartoons with the G5 series is in a similar boat, just not to the absolute extreme. They do have hundreds of people working on G5 there, but they have to create several hours of 3D animated content per year probably, so time is still no doubt extremely tight.
In retrospect, while I still absolutely adore the G5 movie, Hasbro essentially cursed G5 by essentially jumping the shark literally on its first go with the movie, and set up G5 to just decline afterwards. And of course not to mention that Hasbro definitely has, and always probably will only care if the series is good enough to appeal to kids that contributes to their toy sales. In that regard, perhaps its the right business decision, but an absolutely horrible artistic decision.
I've talked to a couple people that have worked on the G5 series, and it's not like they don't care about the quality of their work, similar to the position I was in with the game. It's just the allocation of funding and time from the corporate heads that severely limit what the people directly working on these shows can do (as well as writing direction to an extent. It wouldn't surprise me if Hasbro pushed that baby dragon HARD to be included. G4 has a lot of moments where you can tell that "Yeah, Hasbro definitely tried to push this thing in to sell a line of toy merch", so it's not something that's out of the question in my eyes).
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Imo the game animations are way smoother and expressive. Pegasi do look like they're actually flying and not just awkwardly floating, and generally the animations feel more grounded in the world. Facial animations are higher quality and show a wider range of emotions. I work in gamedev though, so I don't have much knowledge about animation industry, the average budget of an animated show and the time constraints.
Either way, I think you did an amazing job for A Maretime Bay Adventure and I am actually a big fan of your channel :)
@@Anvynn Creating a whole 3D series compared to a 3D game I feel is a lot more work, at least from the animation and rendering perspective. For games, you mostly have to work on a set of short but many gameplay animations, and if the budget allows, cutscenes too every so often. But for MYM, they will probably have to animate and render many, many hours of content per year, with more ambitious goals for what such a series should try to do visually.
One thing to think about is how adding more characters per shot can start to shoot production costs extremely high should each of those characters require unique animation. Animation takes a lot of time, even with a lower quality standard. So having many characters to animate in a large portion of shots that fill up several hours of watchtime... It's a lot. This is just the animation side of things too, there's a lot more departments that go through similar workload strains.
@@DJTHED I still need the game
*cough* Friendship Express *cough*
Majority of G4 was done in Flash/Animate.ToonBoom was used for the movie and Rainbow Roadtrip.
What's up with all these bots bro
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. THEY DID IT IN FLASH?!
@@strangeaelurus Yep
You know Saber, I get this feeling you're a little ashamed of having been a brony at some point. I wanna let you know there's nothing to be embarrassed over and that I, as a (female) brony myself, respect you for your interests, new and old. I've been a fan since your brony days and they are a source of nostalgia and good memories for me. Keep up the good work and don't be afraid of what you like.
**whispers** pegasister
I always took his shame as fake, like his thing about not being a furry. It's always been just a bit to me. But if I'm wrong then you are very right. I was very embarassed about being a brony back in the day. As time's gone on I've realised how silly I was. I enjoyed a genuinely good show, with a genuinely good fanbase. Where's the shame in that? So I hope Saber hasn't really begun to feel embarassed.
@@TailsClock It could be an act, and I could see how that would be the case. But his tone felt a little too earnest for me to see it as just a joke, personally.
I don’t see why, because in a few years being a fan of G4 will be seen as someone who has patrician tastes in entertainment. I say that because as someone who joined the fandom before season 2 aired, I’ve seen the opinion of the [post-Faust] early seasons go from "unwatchable garbage" to "OMG this show *defined* my life back then!"
Tbf it is a lil embarrassing
The thing I've noticed the most about the animation is the eyes. None of them look like their eyes are quite focused on anything, even when their faces show a lot of emotion. It's very unsettling sometimes
I'd easily take back my complaint if I noticed any of their pupils contract and dilate, but I can't think of any moments where that's happened
This shows that this show might not be able to hold up the way G4 friendship is magic did.
Maybe that’s why I gave it a pass, because I wasn’t expecting it to
I'm thinking it won't, I feel this is a low key hint by Hasbro to kinda tell all of us weirdos to hit the road, I'm 25 and I'm getting glances. even though mlp g4 has many hours of happy memories to reflect on, I think the "brony fad" is just that. all but the most loyal still remain and I think after the dust settles with g5, the bronies are dead. (That's a little glum I know, I'm one of the loyalist and I'm hopping ship onto something else once g5 is in full force. I'm only sticking around to see the shit show.)
Still looks good
The 2010’s saw Hasbro make its comeback, TFP and MLPFIM, and the toy lines, oh god the Toy lines (I will be referring to transformers, a lot) Generations, The Movies, Combiner Wars, Titans Return, Power of the Primes, and Masterpiece
@@Ob1tuber what's tfp
Really good review. Really appreciate you taking the time to separate your feelings about g4 to get a clearer perspective on g5. It’s giving me the reminder to do the same myself. I agree that g5 did cause me a little heartbreak though. A shame to have to remember licenses owned by companies using art for solely business are prevalent in animation.
But the way how he talked about Rainbow Dash offended me
G4 came to me right as I entered my teen years. And as a childhood lover of G3, G4 instantly drew me in as a new take on the beloved franchise of my childhood. It made me happy, even as I grew up and was told I got "too old" for the show and it's toys. Those comments never detered me from watching though, and I watched it until the end. I even cried at the last episode.
The G5 movie made me happy too, it was very cute and made me smile with its fun songs and cute characters. But it didn't do for me what G4 did, and it never will.
I got into the first episode of the new series and I couldn't even finish it. The voices are different, they all feel dumb. I do not like it at all.
Honestly, I agree with what you’re saying about the smartphones. I don’t like how contemporary and technology-heavy G5 is. Makes it very dated and separates it further from the earlier generations. It would be better if Pipp were some sort of popular performer or musician since influencers are just a product of our time. Oh, and the fact they can carry things with their *flat* hooves and make them defy physics and gravity _bothers_ me.
I also feel like it just takes away the escapism as well. The world of MLP was originally more natural and magical, which is the perfect escape from the troubles of the real world. Just shoehorning in gadgets and lifestyles that help cause these big problems for us in real life just defeats the purpose, and it’s likely those ponies have the same problems we do in real life.
And the bad part: it’s not just them who turned tech-heavy. Several other non-fashion doll toylines that are marketed towards girls and were initially fantasy/more natural are becoming the same thing. All social-media centric and overly contemporary.
I think the problem of having technology is bigger than that. As it also becomes a hindrance for the plot. A smartphone is basically a GPS, a communication and recording device and an encyclopedia all rolled into one. A lot of fantasy tropes and adventures get instantly nullified by having smartphones.
@@juan0808 EXACTLY! It takes away the fantasy aspects! I was going to say that as well.
Plus there’s a lot more dark sides to social media besides getting shadowbanned. There’s cyberbullying, dangerous trends, not to mention the Dark Web.
The main issue I have with the story is I feel like we're getting a bunch of subplots clipped together per episode that are resolved too quick rather than fleshed out plots. I especially feel like that Zipp's detective missions aren't fleshed out enough because they could be used for rich storytelling but they always end up becoming mini side quests instead.
That’s my issue with the show too. With g4 between the fleshed out season-long arcs and magic, I felt like I was like watching a pastel, animated version combination of Charmed combined with Power Rangers. G5 episodes on the other hand are so throwaway that I’m not motivated to watch
Knowing the popularity of the previous generation is still as popular, the latest generation was always going to have an uphill battle
So true
I really prefer the style of G4 overall. I dont mind 3d animation, but there was so much lost in the art and character design when they changed to 3d. Even with smth like the eye shapes. You can easily tell which one is Fluttershy based on how her eye is drawn but with 3d models it feels like theres a base model that they have to contort to (likely for toy making purposes) and with the hairstyles i was extremely fond of the iconic way the hair was drawn in G4. I feel like this was also because some of the more flashy hairstyles didnt translate very well (Twilight's hair didnt for me at least) and to make it more natural they just toned all of it down to match the animation. There's a lot of little things I'll miss that dont think they can carry quite the same from 2d to 3d such as the effects such as dust clouds when characters move too fast or really exaggerated expressions.
G5 has given me a lot of worries. It just kinda felt obvious that they want to capture the magic G4 had without actually doing what it did to capture our hearts in the first place.
I’m SO glad that someone agrees with me on the dragon. I HATE it. Not only is it ugly, but as you said, it doesn’t talk. Just annoying baby noises. Also, I’ve watched about half of gen 5 and it’s… ugh. Animation is kinda icky, plot is not interesting, and it feels very bland. I’m still going to finish watching it, but it doesn’t hold a candle to gen 4.
Edit: the hair animation of Misty in particular is rough
G4 did something interesting tech wise where they sort of had a turn of the 20th century vibe
Old enough where things still seem old (especially to kids (and many Americans) who don't have a good grasp of anything older than 30 years ago), new enough to still play with somewhat modern settings and tech (best example: Manehatten, which looked fun while still fitting)
With G4, Equestria was one of those places a lot of people would've loved to live in, much like the Wizarding World, or Star Wars. And it's easy to understand why; ponies are generally kind, there's cool magic and potions to explore, fantastical creatures, exciting adventures, and an old-timey charm - an escape from the hustle and stress of the modern world.
And G5 somehow avoids all of that. Because of the focus on bigotry (and the occasional mocking viral trend), ponies don't seem any kinder than humans. Magic and potions aren't explored, with no sorcerers or apothecaries mentioned (we get one mention of a 'cloaking spell,' but otherwise unicorns have only used levitation with no interest in anything else), the only fantastical creature is a baby dragon (unless you want to count a poodle with wings as 'fantastical'), so far no big adventures (which is fair, slice of life is a valid and enjoyable approach... in a world worth being in), and the existence of smart phones brought all of the modern world's troubles into Equestria: ponies glued to their phones, ponies chasing likes and followers, ponies mocking you because they caught the perfect loop of you getting hurt on camera.
G5 isn't a world I want to live in, and I have a hard time imagining anyone would want to be in it beyond the fact that it's still a bit better than the real world. ... But hey, at least world hunger is solved because your house can be crushed by a giant grape grown by any pesky kid in their sleep, right?
You know what? That's exactly what I would say. In fact, I would say a better idea than this whole thing would be to create not really a G4 reboot, but sort of an alternate continuity, like, right before the 2017 movie, a spell is being cast from the G5 continuity as it's being destroyed by Windigos because of the unkindness of the ponies, thus bringing G5 to a fitting end, and creating another continuity, maybe where the residents of Equestria get thrown into the real world. The world of Equestria would end up merging with the real world, and the ponies would end up immortalized by the spell, but some (only SOME, more notably Celestia and Luna, mainly to obtain balance to the world and science.) of the ponies' magic would be weakened, not wiped out, but weakened, and the ponies would try to both adapt to, and bring some of their philosophies to our world. Sort of like "Enchanted", but the ponies would stay 2D. It would make a very good use of real-life actors being filmed alongside the ponies (we call it the Roger Rabbit Effect). I would really like to see how the ponies would interact with the real (live action) world.
MLP g4 was a big influence in how it allowed me to accept the more “colorful” side of my life. Liking MLP already had a big negative stigma, so I kinda learned to stop caring what others thought as long as I was happy with it. While I fell off of MLP in the later years, seeing it online or just out and about always made me a bit happy. G5 makes me sad, but maybe it’ll turn around. Eh, if not I’ll just watch G4 again
same with me, G4 came in a moment when i was very depressed in my life, and give me the strenght to enjoy life again, let me know a very cool friends furries and bronies, and make me write again (find me in Wattpad with my name); MLP: FiM its a great show, and could have come to season ten to celebrate one decade of the franquise, but Hasbro choice bring us a "meh" product, G5 its not so bad, but i feel it........souless, just another corporative show to sell toys, G4 have same purpose, but with a nice story behind, created a great world and a great lore, thats because i always said G5 must to be away from G4, need to start fresh and new, with a new beginning, not depend and stay tied to it antecesor to exploit it potential.
Im gonna say the one thing that bothered me the most for no reason is Misty’s constant lip color change. It changes occasionally to a nice color that i think suits the unicorn but most times it’s a very jarring pink that doesn’t match at all. It catches my eye every time and bothers the heck out of me and i can’t let it go lol.
For the most part I think Misty’s design is adorable, but I agree the pink lips are a little jarring and don’t really fit.
Opaline’s mouth being a lighter shade is also really offputting
I'm so glad someone noticed this haha their weird lip color changes are very jarring to see. It would've been much better visually if they had maybe had it as a lighter or darker-colored blue. I like Misty's desgin but the contrast, similar to Opaline's design, is strange.
I haven't been involved in anything mlp since 2015, but was anybody honestly expecting this to live up to the previous gen? The 2010 cartoon was an anomaly that managed to have involvement with some strong names in the cartoon industry. I don't think we'll see anything like it again down the road.
But the movie was so good, made us think this gen would be amazing
I like it
@@KingsBard it is
I never expected that. I thought it'd be okay but tbh I just rlly dislike gen 5 now. I never grew up with any gens before gen 4 so I'm a friendship is magic fan 4lyfe. Gens before gen 4 were probably good.
> *I don't think we'll see anything like it again down the road.*
IMO it depends on what we define as the "it" in question.
For example, a show that balances good storywriting, slice of life, adventure, has coherent and deep worldbuilding, great characters who are relatable, and evolve over time, and a show where the fandom is acknowledged, definitely could exist - irrespective of if it hits FiM level energy and enjoyment or not.
The biggest and most obvious animation error from the show so far is the character Jazz Hooves not having ears. She went from having ears in Tell Your Tale to sometimes having ears in the Make Your Mark special to not having ears at all in the Netflix series. I don't know how they keep messing up her ears.
There's something that makes me so uncomfortable seeing modern tech go into a medieval & high-magic setting. I felt that way when Avatar went from Aang to Korra, and also in many D&D games/fantasy books etc. The magic is what kept things interesting and the tech just makes one or the other obsolete.
Well, once you hint at an industrial revolution, it's pretty hard to explain why there still hasn't been one two generations later. You can't have hot air balloons and steam tanks in Avatar, unless you are ready for blimp and even bigger steam tanks in Korra. You can't have instant communication and printing press spells in G4 without people expecting some kind of Ever After High style magic smartphones in G5. You can't introduce FTL transporters in the Kirk era unless you want to completely bone over anyone who was trying to make that universe into a franchise. You get the idea.
The issue is, tech wouldn't be tech like we know it when created in a fantasy world. It'd be magitech, and while similar to our normal tech, would be magic based.
@@shagohad3 not necessarily, magic itself is often linked to creature that uses it, so often you cannot really industrialize it (and even when imbue magic into objects is thing, then not really on scale of thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions of units - that requires some old school mostly non-magical industrialization, so mages are not dying from exhaustion all the time) In world involving magic, technology would be primarily response of those not having magic abilities to compensate their lack of magic and to level the powers of both "camps". Magic also can be used for incredibly speed up development process - for example metal bending from avatar would turn years going process of developing any machine and establishing production into matter of months, if not just weeks, solely by turning building bunch of prototypes, tooling, assembly line for all of it and reworking it all multiple times with every tweak of design necessitated by results of testing, into few moments of concentration.
@@depressedTrent Eberron yo.
As a player of a steampunk RP game that's lasted many years, adding tech to a D&D setting makes it so much better. As a Shadowrun player, I can safely say there is a line though, and smart phones are crossing that line. Shadowrun 4e is truly awful, and is the MLP G5 of RP games. Korra's setting was the best part about the series though. That steampunk moment is the point where creativity is as free as it can get. Magictech blimps and ships, firing enchanted cannons. Traveling the world and exploring, the mix between mechanical golems and undead creatures blend well as terrifying lifeless enemies. There's so much you can't do in a fully medieval setting.
I feel like you're lumping all tech together. But airships were are amazing in fantasy settings are not at all like someone's remote controlled drone. Modern tech yeah, avoid it. None of that is fun to push into a fantasy world at all. But fantasy tech is the best. So many modern things can essentially be recreated in such a world, with magic as the main ingredient, and it's just better for it. Remove phones, and put in enchanted orbs of water that can reflect images from other such orbs. Have them powered by sunlight, and you can even recreate the need to get a good signal. Modern tech, but done right, done in a way that fits the world. That's how it should be done.
MLP G5 fails at that so damn hard. But Korra did it well from what I remember.
The Story, the retcons, everything about G5 just reeks of Disney Jr. vibes. It's like they're trying to make a show for the 4-7 Audience, and target it to All ages and it just isn't working.
The Lion Guard?
@@notatallfunctional What?
@@KatoChaotix It’s a Lion King spin off series on Disney Jr. It retconned some things from the movies, and it gave the main characters magical super powers. I thought maybe that’s what you were referring to with the Disney jr vibes.
@@notatallfunctional No< I was referring to the writing style being similar to shows that You would find on Disney Jr or Nick Jr, stuff aimed at the 4-7 year old audience like Paw Patrol or Bob the Builder.
This isn't all ages. G4 was all ages
While watching the G5 series I started to realise that I kept saying "Oh I hate this character" "Oh this character is so annoying" they all felt so shallow. Like Pip only cares about social media and imo acts very mean towards everyone else
I know, right? There's something very wrong with the show when the only character I'm rooting for, the only character with an actual personal conflict, is technically one of the villains.
Pipp is worst pony, no debate.
Saturating the franchise with smartphones and "le current trends" definitely saps all of the magic and wonder out of it.
Gen 4 could stand on its own regardless of which point in time because it didn't rely on the "current thing" or current year as a crutch. It was just its own nice, self-contained show.
I grew up with the older MLP, ones that are probably more well known as the classics, which gave us specials like "A Very Minty Christmas" and "Princess Promenade," which introduced Spike in that generation as the only male character in the show and they only character that wasn't a quadruped. Gen 4, while different, still held the same kinds of nostalgia for someone who's loved MLP since I was really little. Especially with some of the characters brought back that I grew up with, even though they had different personalities or were different kinds of ponies. (Rainbow Dash wasn't always a headstrong pegasus.) That said, as an OG fan of the franchise, I agree with you. Although I keep an ear out because I'm curious about the lore and what happened to the ponies of gen 4, I'm not a huge fan of gen 5. I feel it loses me with making one pony an influencer and just having the internet there in general. Also, yeah, I feel the loss of the fantasy element when they bring in smart phones. I also wouldn't have minded them sticking to the same or a similar art style as Gen 4. I loved the art style. It might be the 3-D animation, but Gen 5 just feels lacking in comparison. I dunno. I'll get invested when Twilight Sparkle shows up in person to wake the heroes up to what's been happening because as the smartest pony alive, if she's watching them, she has to get fed up with all this at some point and want to move the story along.
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He is indeed one of the best media review channels out there
He's definitely good
But I disagree with this video
Im 18 now and i grew up watching g4! This new generation is very much lacking. I'm only invested because I want to know the backstory with Opaline and Twilight😭😭 But I rememebr waking up every saturday and forcing my dad to watch my little pony with me to the point where he ended up loving the show too becuase it had such great story and lessons and songs that we just had so much fun watching it together// and my dad is a grown man😭😭 but I definitely think he would be disappointed by this new mlp becuase now it's just Kiddy and like some lessons are there but all seriousness is completely cancelled out so you're just like bruh what's the point// also the songs are corny and don't hit the same or even at all😭😭😭
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the songs are 💩💩💩💩💩🚽💩💩💩
worst part is tht YOU CAN HEAR THE FACT THEY COULD BE BETTER
Yeah, the songs are really corny. In the new special we just got Generic Christmas Songs. It was a little disappointing, the music just feels very manufactured.
@@cryforhelp7270 compared to the song in the best gift ever, it's not as good
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I mean they're completely different things
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I think what made g4 special was the character designs and the fact that it was a well written show that just happened to also be targeted towards little girls. As someone who was a little girl who watched g4 when it came out, I absolutely loved the show and so did my parents. G5 seems like it has a ton of potential, but I feel like a lot of it was wasted by making it connected to g4. Even then, if they still had it connected to g4 I think it would of been better to keep the fantasy setting instead of making it more modern. I feel like making that decision makes it feel closer to the g1.5 series which was just ponies in the real world in modern society. That never worked. There’s also more to be desired with the designs. Its cute and all, but I think if they went into the direction that G2 went into it would be more appealing for all audiences. I’m not a fan of the more stubby features that the ponies have. Sorry for the essay, I’m just very passionate about this.
I kinda want prehistoric horses in My Little Pony, anyone else up for My Little Hyracotherium
That'd be cool. They could insert a motive of 3 goddesses of fate. Maybe they decided that ponies should have a dark age and a war
Make Your Mark could of been really well done if they put out the layout of g4. Especially it’s lore. What really didn’t set well with me was how it wasn’t a cold winter and it didn’t show the Windigos. When the 3 races divide, the Windigos showed up. That’s the main thing I wanted for this show, to have the same lore of g4 and build off of that. Because let’s be real, the main people who watches g5 are the one who loves/grew up with g4. It’ll be better if they explained about what happened in the past with the lack of magic. But If I could remember, pegasi could still fly during the Windigos.
fr they could've easily connected g5 w/g4
I thought the windigos would be a thing if this is rooted in g4.
This was absolutely my problem too! When I found out they separated the pony races, I was like where are the Wendigos? They provided a base of why friendship between ponies was so important. G4 had such good world building that was so fun and so cared for and I miss it
I think the Windigos would make the perfect ending to this generation.
When I was little, I had a ton of My Little Pony toys. I had about 10 of them and I loved them. I love the cuteness of the older models, the old toys and what I've seen of the animated shows, but these 3D models scream uncanny valley for me. I don't like that they don't look like ponies anymore. Their faces just look like an unidentifiable blob and I wish they would add more definition to their muzzles. But that's just me.
Correction:
The G4 movie was done in Toon Boom, not the show. The show was done in Adobe Flash.
If only Hasbro didn’t force G5 to connect to G4 it would have a much better chance to stand on its own. Hasbro has more than enough money to make G5 special but they just want to rake in the cash using nostalgia and bright 3D animation that a lot of younger kids love looking at.
Also how the magic became worthless.
Remember the task of King Sombra and all the spells Twilight learned? Gravitokinesis, crystallization, teleportation, transformation, speed enhancement, sealing techniques...
It was a MAGIC SYSTEM.
Not just a "whatever the character want to do will do"
Also I believe Imalou was the lead character designer and illustrator who worked on the new MLP generation and movie while they were also one of the most popular artists in the fandom since they started doing MLP fan art in 2011-2012! Of course they are an absolutely amazing artist who is definitely worth supporting! :)
The eyebrows are just too ugly I'm sorry 😭
one thing I don't like about the new 3d models is that the inside mouth color is different for every pony. Misty's inside-mouth color is a dark purple and it freaks me out everytime.
I'm glad someone is reviewing it because I couldn't make it 5 minutes into the new show. (I did manage the movie) As someone who became a fan Ironically, ( I watched it to see what all the fuss was about and fell in love with Twilight and the plot) This hurts my soul at how terribly written the story is. I also didn't like the end of G4 with the school but I would've been happy if those character were actually the new main 6 rather than this...
See, the MLP world of smartphones as opposed to magic could have worked if magic were treated like a lost art that’s seen as more of a legend in the public conscious (as opposed to an outright event causing it) and our main pony being a secret alicorn is what gives her the drive to rediscover the lost (as opposed to sealed) magic, maybe even give her a love of history similar to Twilight’s love of reading. Then you’d have our main character going about this modern life with her friends while uncovering where magic has become dormant and in the background we see the main villain following her trail and collecting the newly awakened magic for herself. You can even pander to G4 fans while still being its own show by having episodes where they find ruins of G4 places (like finding Cloudsdale before technology automated the weather process)
It’s sad because the setting and general premise COULD HAVE WORKED if they had any confidence in their own creativity.
What drives me crazy is the movie gave me the impression Sunny would explore how things came to be the way they are. In the show, Sunny doesn't, but we get a weird scene where this kid comes up to Sunny and just says, "I've been reading this book about these magic rocks called elements!" and that's the end of the scene. Somehow this kid does more research than Sunny. It's a half-second reference to appease people, rather than trying to have some interesting storytelling dynamic.