Virtual Pinball Machine vs Real Pinball Machine
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2022
- In today's video I talk about Virtual Pinball Machine vs Real Pinball Machine as well is a real pinball machine better than a virtual pinball or Vpin machine.
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I have had my virtual pinball machine for about six months now which I purchased from the Pinball King. It is his Kraken Plus model. I have since installed thousands of pinball tables onto the machine and could not be happier with the performance, quality or customer service he has provided.
In this video I talk about the benefits or pros and cons of each machine and which one I like better. If you are in the market for a pinball machine, I really think both an authentic or real pinball machine or virtual pinball machine have their unique place depending on multiple factors.
Well everyone, I hope you found today's video informative on virtual pinball machine vs real pinball machine. If you did, please consider giving this video a like, feel free to comment (I respond to all comments) and subscribe for more future informative videos.
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I love your idea of having both, I'll probably go the same route once I have the money and more room. As far as the virtual pinball I love it, especially with all the modding you can do, from the playfield to the backglass, the color dmd and all the pup packs if you are using pinup popper. Really cool stuff! I'm very happy I got into this hobby and love my virtual cab!
Glad you are into the hobby as well! Did you build your own cabinet?
@@JMGENTERPRISES i didnt although im gonna reach a point where i wish i had. Lol. Currently i have a legends pinball table with a gaming pc i got in february. I also now have an upgraded backbox with 3 screens. Next upgrade is adding the exciters and bass shakers. Unfortunately i know ill want a 4k playfield screen and the leds you have in yours but i would need to modify my cabinet. Its still a great setup though and i play it everyday. Im up to around 300 tables now which is enough to keep me busy for awhile. 👍
@@buffny4203 - That's awesome! Fun to have a hobby where you can keep upgrading as you go along! I really think you will be amazed once you install the bass shakers and exciters. Really fills in that realism element.
Absolutely agree with everything. What I hope to see for vpin is, like pinball on the Nintendo 3DS, a glasses-free stereoscopic experience. The display technology is there and I think it would be perfect for vpin.
I actually haven't seen the 3DS technology. But from how you describe it, it sounds awesome. I am sure like with all other technology, it will continue to improve and get cheaper :-)
I don't think they're really manufacturing 3D screen panels anymore, there was a brief period of interest, but aside from the 3DS I can't think of any other screens/implementations that gained mainstream popularity.
does a product like this already excist on the market?
Can't believe UA-cam lost my notification of this video. An excellent comparison. Thank you for a great comparisons.
Sorry you didn't receive the notification. Thanks for watching though. You gave me the inspiration to make this video!
@@JMGENTERPRISES Got video of my pin yesterday before being created for shipment. Will let you know when it gets here.,
This is super helpful and I plan to order that exact model! I was wondering if you could advise if that matrix lighting is as reflective in the video as it is in person. I’m just a little worried that the playfield is difficult to see but I’m hoping it’s just extra reflective in the video. Thanks for the help!
If you end up getting one, you won't be disappointed! The matrix is pretty bright and does reflect. You can turn it off if desired. You can also install a deflector which prevents the reflection from hitting the glass and playfield.
Great vid! I've got a vpin, star wars one and it is awesome, it was good to know from your video that the vpin could be upgradable with tv and new games added! I've also just purchased an old 1990 real pinball, the Diner one, so looking forward to playing that one too! I have a table top coke cola pinball machine, good for smaller spaces. I'm in Australia. I was sorry to read that Xtreme (in Australia?) ignored your emails and calls, very rude service for sure.
Congrats on your new vpin! Your other games sound cool too! I'll have to look up the 1990 Diner One. Yeah, Xtreme maybe was just too busy and didn't need the business. They do make great looking machines but was afraid of after sale customer service. What manufacture did you go with for your Vpin?
I’ve tried both worlds before. Had some nice machines like jersey jacks pirates, and attack from mars LE. And som other machines. I also had an Chinese virtual pinball machine. That one sucked. Was so bad . So I sold it quick. Now I’ve found few companies making nice virtual; pinball machines. But ended up with what I think makes the absolute best ones. Xtreme gaming cabinets from Australia. I’ve ordered a Premium model machine with a extra package called Titan package, it’s 144 hz gaming monitor, and 3080 graphic card. And a ryzen 9 computer. Only reason I’m going with Virtual pinball now is lack of space. I live in Sweden so the waiting time with shipping included is pretty long. Around 12 months. But still worth it because I haven’t found anyone els making better machines. So I really looking forward to get mine. It also have a 2in1 thing. So I can play 17.000 arcade games. Plus 2 Sinden lightguns for shooter games. So,it’s a full package machine. Ah and VR kit also.
That is awesome to hear! Hope you receive it soon. I have seen their machines and they look amazing. Love the Willy Wonka themed one they have. Let me know how it is when it arrives! :-)
Awesome review and great comparison of both machines👍👍😀😀
Thank you! Appreciate your kind comment.
Thank you for your take.
I used to have 3 real pins in my living, swapping them at times, burning money in the process. All dot matrix from the 90´s.
If I may add one thing:
We only live once. I can spend forever playing all those virtual games; it is never finished. But if you choose one favorite pin, it gives you time to actually learn the machine in depth. Improve your game, instead of aimlessly and superficially browsing between 1000+ games. You´ll probably end up with one or two favorites anyway, and that´s what a Vpin is great for: To figure out which real life pins you want to buy. (My dream pinball used to be Stargate, but when I finally got one I was quite dissapointed. While Dr. Who, despite its terrible art, surprisingly became my fav.)
I don´t know about you guys, but it´s hard for me to bond with a TV screen, compared to an actual vintage machine: Trying to keep things going, get your hands dirty and curse once in a while :)
Whether it´s games, cars or dating, there´s a time for browsing and a time to be decisive. That Vpin is great, but as you said: The experience of the real deal is totally worth it.
I hear ya. Real pins are definitely awesome! Having both I feel is the best of both worlds :-)
Having both is the way to go for most folks. I need to visit a local barcade to try out the latest ones.
Agreed!
I'm currently debating between getting one from the pinball king or from xtreme in australia. They seem like they have truly the best one. 120 hz monitor, fully upgraded pc with 2060 and ryzen cpu, 2 terabytes storage vs 256 ssd for pinball king. The components are just hands down better. But then you deal with the shipping cost and the lag time. It's probably between 6-12 months to get it.
I hear what you are saying. I may upgrade to a 120hz monitor in thr future. Can't speak for the computer components. But before I purchased I reached out to Xtreme through email and multiple voicemails saying I was interested in purchasing. I never heard back from them. Maybe they are too busy but it put a bad taste in my mouth. I called pinball king and he got back to me by the end of the day and was eager to answer all my questions. This combined with being more local made me go with him.
Great video! As a person who lives in a tiny house now and has also owned 2 actual pinball machines in the past, I now have a homebuilt digital table that I love. You hit the nail on the head in this video. Actual physical pinball is amazing. But digital has many advantages as well. I felt lucky before when I had 2 machines at one time in my game room in my full size house. Now I can play hundreds of tables in my tiny game room. Are they 100% the same? No. Are they way more than just 'good enough'? Absolutely!
Nice! What pinballs did you own? Glad to hear you built your own table and it's getting lots of use!
@@JMGENTERPRISES I had a Jokerz! table and an old Stern EM table just called Pinball.
How does the VP Medieval Madness compare to the real version? In percentage, how does visuals, feel, sounds, compare side by side? What are the differences in gameplay between the two?
I would say as my game sits, its about 75% as real as the authentic MM. There are many tables of MM available and they all play/look a bit different. The sound is spot on. The bumpers and shakers make it really believable as well as they fire so quickly. I heard the pinball king is now including 120Hz monitors if desired. I recently got one of these and will be installing it soon. The higher Hz rate is supposes to eliminate the ball lag which is kind of noticeable on my current 60Hz monitor. I'll be sure to do any updated video once it's in!
I'm sold on the vpin
Great video btw! Your a natural presenter
Hey, thanks for the compliment :-)
@@JMGENTERPRISES
👍Credit where it's due
I'm interested in the AR features of 3d glasses etc. But that lag issue sounds like an issue. Side by side the Real one looks amazing ...like night and day. But the virtual can play shootemups with a stick.
I hear ya. I'm upgrading to a 120Hz screen soon which I heard eliminates the lag 😊
Thank you very nice video I’m a casual and just starting to get into pinball and want one for my apartment but idk if I should get a real one or virtual one and after watching this I’m going virtual for many reasons you just explained plus if you get a real one you would have to learn how to fix it on your own most likely and if you don’t know what your doing you just wasted 10k or more just sitting there 😅😂
For an apartment, yes I would recommend a virtual pinball. I would only get a real pinball if you know someone in the area that can repair it I'd need be!
Right now i do not have a few thousand to jump in to V-Pin, but are the lower cost tables worth it? At least until i can save up for the better tables? Thank you for sharing your work.
Honestly, I don't have experience with any other brands or tables. Maybe try searching UA-cam for reviews?
@@JMGENTERPRISES - no problem. appreciate you getting back to me. :)
Cool! But you missed the biggest point of Pinball Fx3: online tournaments!! That is THE thing that make the virtual table more fun than a mecanical table for many peoples! Thanks!
Great point! Totally spaced that one! Online tournaments are the best!
Monitor will have nothing to do with flipper lag. Flipper lag will be entirely related to computer hardware particularly video card and may not even be video card hardware but software related. Make sure you have correct driver installed and optimum video performance settings both in windows and in visual pinball or whatever pinball emulation software your running.
Well I recently upgraded to a 120Hz screen and I don't notice the flipper lag or gittering ball anymore 🤷♂️
Hey would it be possible to check out your machine in person? I'm interested in buying one but yours is the only one I know of in Seattle area.
Yeah that would be fine! I'll be out of town camping for the next week but when I return for sure
Great review! Thanks
Glad you thought so!!
Just purchased the same machine from the pinball king in January. Can you give an update as of today if your having any issues with the system or the owner if needed! Love the videos. Any information would be grateful! Thank you!
Awesome! I am sure you'll like your machine. Never any issues with the Michael the owner. Did have an led strip half way quit working. You can actually see it in my video on the right side of the table. Contacted Michael and he was quick to replace. Other than that. Nothing. Very happy with it. Super fun!
@@JMGENTERPRISES thank you for the reply! It was greatly appreciated, and that’s good to hear! Keep on making videos!
@@clintingle857 thanks and will do! When do you expect to receive your machine? What graphic artwork did you go with?
Thanks for the vid! I was going to order one, but Mike is so booked he told me it was 6 months out. That’s a long time…
Wow. Yeah I heard he's been booked out for a while. Looks like sales are good. Let me know if you end up getting a Vpin 😀
30 days with Rec Room World.
Terrific information.
Glad ya thought so! 😁
Where are you located? I would love to connect with someone in the Pacific Northwest who has a machine from the PK and possibly get a little hands-on experience before pulling the trigger on a purchase. I am in the Portland OR area
I am in Federal Way, WA. I am out of town for a couple months but will be around this summer!
@@JMGENTERPRISES let me know when you’re in town and I’ll make the drive up.
@@rickportune2753 Sounds good Rick!
The perfect scenario should be own like 5 pinball and 1 virtual pinball, but ya need to have plenty of bucks and a nice game room to accommodate those beauties.
Exactly!
You have the best from 2 worlds
Thanks! That's what I think too!
I had terrible flipper lag on my machine. Everything was set up correctly. I eventually found that the problem was with my HDMI cable. I replaced it with a good-quality cable and lag be gone!
That's awesome to hear! I'll have to give that a try on mine! Thanks for sharing
Which HDMI cable did you use?
HDMI cable "quality" isn't really an issue unless you're using long cable runs, and in that case you just don't get a signal, it's not like analog cables where you can see signal loss/static etc. - the only thing I can think of is that the display uses a high refresh rate and you were using a first-gen HDMI cable where IIRC you need HDMI 2.0+ or better to support high refresh.
@@yellowblanka6058 the lousy cable was shorter than the working cable. So you may be right about the HDMI 2.0+, too bad the cables don't come with clear labels, so I can't tell for sure. 😕
I use Oled (LG C2) and yea, oled is the shit, not only with refresh and response times, but immaculate contrast ratio with perfect blacks so it looks better too.
I will have to upgrade to OLED some day :-)
Good luck getting that price for MM now! Real pinball machine prices are coming WAY down.
I haven't been following pinball prices. Maybe I can pick up another real pinball while prices are down!! 😇
if your main game is medi.. you are in the straight swap market for anything really. I virtual table makes a lot of sense as a second machine
I agree. 😃
Real pinball is amazing....
But expensive and so much maintenance as they get older. And having one game gets tiring. So I sold my 3 and now want a virtual one.
So true. Which three tables did you use to own?
Which do you play more?
I would have to say about 50/50. When I am buy myself, I usually still play the Vpin more as I am still exploring all the tables and trying to rack up high scores. When friends and family are over, they usually like doing four player on the real pinball. The kids love the trolls and exploding castle.
Thanks! Almost ready to pull the trigger
A 10,000sqft warehouse....
Damn, the possibilities would be endless 😂
A warehouse that big would be my dream! Lol
You too can have a Vpin for a mere 7 grand lol I'll just run down to the local walmart and snag one while they're cheap 😂🤣😂 I kid I kid lol It would be cool to have a really well built one. I'm using the ATGAMES LEGENDS Pinball, running F/X 3 and VPX. The flipper lag was almost a real breaker on my atgames. The only thing that fixed it on that rig was killing the vsync. Kinda sucks that you would have to consider upgrading that screen so soon :/
Yeah, I hear ya. I think I am going to wait a couple years and hopefully the price on OLED 120hz screens comes down :-)
Is live music better than what you can get out of your phone/streaming services? Absolutely. But to eschew non-live music completely since concerts are better doesn't make sense to me. Virtual pinball provides a number of benefits over real - mainly you can play pretty much any table you want! My virtual cab is a way better investment than a real machine that costs the same or double for a machine I would really love. There are so many aspects of pinball that are replicated on virtual - art, sound, design, gameplay, etc that I can enjoy with a TV screen over a real ball. The realization that it's virtual disappears quickly after starting a game because I am locked in. My 4k 120hz setup helps that of course :-)
I completely agree! I do need to upgrade my monitor to a 120hz. Maybe when OLED gets cheaper, that will be a nice upgrade.
Damn... I'm so interested but, I just can't see dropping 7g on something I haven't seen and played in person. I'll have to look into the tech support also. I build my own PCs but, this thing is a beast.🤯
Also, good explanation on the flipper lag. You won't notice it unless you are comparing side to side with a physical pinball, makes perfect sense.
I may upgrade to a 120hz OLED screen which I heard removes it entirely :-)
There is no contest. Of course REAL pinball machines are the best. HOWEVER , I appreciate the virtual pinball machines because of all the reasons you described.
Exactly!
I like the virtual machine over the new mechanical machines any day but if it's the old ones then the old ones are better.
I hear ya. My medieval madness is original. They hold their value way better than the remakes.
These comparisons remind me of guitar amplifiers. The new digital modeling amps have been around for about 20 years and, have the capability of modeling a bunch of classic tube amps inside just one cabinet. To the ears of a guitar hobbyist, they can get close , however a tube amp purist usually isn't convinced, and to them it sounds too digital and phony, compared to the real thing, side by side. Still, these new digital modeling amps are obviously really versitle, and include a bunch of effects, eliminating the need for additional external guitar pedals . A classic tube amp will continue to appreciate in value, and are a LOT more expensive for a good one, compared to a digital modeling amp. The digital modeling amps aren't considered collectables and can very well become more obsolete as the technology continues to improve, although there hasn't been any real advancements over the last 10 years. So, If you want an amp to be an investment, a quality tube amp is the way to go, especially if your happy with that one great tone. Most players, however , really don't care much about the resale value of their amp, They want what's best for their needs for the moment. One good digital modeling amp covers a lot of ground.
Thanks for the education. I know nothing about amps. Lol. I guess there will always be pros and cons to both classic and new age tech.
Don't you just have to get a zero delay
Yes. I need a better monitor I believe
Nothing... really works as nice as a real machine. Obviously. But virtual pinball is a different animal. With lights and feedback and visual extras and MANY tables it does make sense. I had Indiana Jones, Cirqus Voltaire, and Theater of Magic. I did beat them ALL the time and got bored with them. They also tripled in price from what I paid so I sold them to pay my mortgage during the pandemic. Ugh. But seriously, when a mechanical failure happens... or a solenoid burns... you do super freak out with your pricey machines. Then you have to quickly become an electronics expert and soldering and board finding internet wizard to fix the darn things. Yup, REAL machines are totally worth it. But if you don't play them or get bored, it is $30,000 worth of toys sitting in your basement. (that do go up in value). Gosh I miss my Indiana Jones. I still have 5 machines, Elvira being one of them. It is hard to go back to virtual pinball when you realize how much you are missing. I also have a virtual pin that I built but as good as it gets, it is NO comparison.
Nice! Those are awesome pins to own! I love Indian Jones and Theatre of Magic too. But yes, spendy machines to have sitting around. But awesome they appreciate in value unlike virtual. But yes I tol get bored with my Medieval Madness after a while. Still, would rather have the money in a pinball machine than bank. What does your virtual pinball look like? How big is the playfield etc?
Rewatch. Love hearing comparisons. My machine is a Scorpion Williams Wide Body converted to 3 screen Vpin. 50 inch screen just BARELY fits in its ultrawide 27 inch widebody. It looks more old school since it isn't as deep as other newer cabs. I put Tales of the Arabian Nights official stickers on the side and backbox but had to mod it to fit the front. Topper has all my main toys from my machines like Theater Trunk, Indiana Jones Fertility Goddess, Ringmaster Voltaire, Genie, Genie Bottle, A SWAG Genie Lamp. White Tiger, Magician Hand, Magic Hat with rabbit, Elvira signed art, Spell book, lights. 5.1 sound. Would like to add solenoids and I have the 4k screen sitting next to it but I need to upgrade PC.Woofer Shaker Fan Undercab lights Like to add DOF and Pinup... whew I think I do have a lot@@JMGENTERPRISES
I have an original twilight zone…I’m thinking to sell it and go virtual
I love the Twilight Zone. Good table! Let me know if you end up getting a virtual pin!
@@JMGENTERPRISES if i can get a good price i will part company with it….here in Ireland there’s nobody to fix and service proper tables so the virtual table is a real draw
@@shaneoconnor5319 darn. Sorry to hear there aren't repairmen near ya. Yeah the virtuals do have their benefits
Real Arcades don't exist. They are Bar arcades with massively loud music and other people and you cannot enjoy even a real pinball machine. I spent over $25 on a Jersey Jack pirates REAL machine and I couldn't hear any of the sound as the bar was blasting music. They are all arcade bars. The real machines do have to be maintained well. A lot of them out in the world pay and play are trashed and have a lot of broken or glitchy problems.
I hear ya. That is one of my pet peeves is loud gatherings. Especially bars and nightclubs where the music is deafening. I want to be able to hear the games I am playing. Or hear the person(s) I am talking too. But I guess I am outnumbered and loud will always be a thing. Jersey Jack does make sound cool tables but yeah, I agree...if you can't hear them...that really takes away from it.
Depends where you live, we have one where I live. Look up Jedi alliance in Spokane valley
Many modern machines have headphone jacks, all Jersey Jack machines. If you cant afford the 20k a JJP POTC you gotta deal with other people in public I guess
Interesting. Personally I would never get electronic despite the price. Classic are unbeatable
I hear ya. Best to have both! Lol
Yeah some of the old machines are going to get harder and more pricey as time goes on I've got a VPN from a different company but what I find interesting is the old gottleb tables were hard to play but I've gotten better as time went on and feel my playing skill is twice as good at playing pinball then it ever has been so VPN tables do have a place.
I’ll stick with the mechanical all day-- more valuable than virtual machines. Because all pinball machines are meant have problems.
I hear ya. I like having both. Best of both worlds.
I like old mechanicals and virtual I saw the new stern and tried them there's a lot of slop and they wernt challenging I've they looked nice but I got bored with them in 10 minutes of playing what fascinates me of the vps is the old gottlieb games . At first seeing how wide most flippers were apart I thought I would not be able to make a high score but I became better and I felt like it was challenging that's why I like vps I get to play the old games.
Virtual pinball machine will never appreciate. The hardware is being outdated by the day.
This is true. But I find the benefits of VP far outway physical machines
Buy Real Pinball Machines there’s nothing that comes close.
For sure but that would be SOOOO expensive to buy 1200 real pinball machines. Lol
Or buy what you can afford and enjoy playing.
@@JMGENTERPRISES i prefer have only one real pinball machine than 100 virtual pinballmachine where its seem more a videogame
@@bestway6032 which game do you own?
@@JMGENTERPRISES i need to own a pinball machine? i just said that virtual pm seem to be a videogame and it seem so fake. when you play pinball machine you want all the real thing that a real pinball machine do.
just play, don’t talk.
Okay, will do in future videos! Lol