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Anvil F7C MKII VS Aegis Sabre! | Talking Ship!
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Ohh I had to return for this! I love my Saber! I'm Japanese so spent my childhood and youth watching anime like Macross (Robotech in the west) and other futuristic anime that always had fighters influenced by usually the F-14 Tomcat, and occasionally the F-15, so I love the Saber, just for the nostalgia I get from the design😊
My brother bought it for me without having to ask if I want it lol.
Are you really Japanese I used to live in Okinawa
The Macross vibe was the exact same reason I picked up the Sabre. It's sad that it has become a Hangar Queen for years....
@@marcuswynn89 Yes! I am from Minato prefecture in Tokyo and live in Vancouver Canada, for nearly half of my life. Okinawa, so your parents were military? Or you are?
@@lunamaria1048oh yo, Vancouver? I'm down farther in the valley.
The sabre's one of my favorites. I think with the range increases with MM it'll be fun to put some long range weapons in it and snipe.
Those 2x size 4s on the wings just look so out of place IMO
Anyways this feels like a power creep issue that is linked to ship sales and will probably never change.
Nice vid bruh, I like the Talking Ship series
Appreciate it
I don't mind the big brrt wing guns, they might look a lil better closer to the center though
Then again.. Gun pod attachments on real life aircraft can also look.. Interesting.. to say the least..
Sabre wins in atmosphere, Hornet wins in space. My opinion. I melted the Sabre for the Hornet. I prefer ballistics and the 3 size 4’s have a lot more ammo than size 3’s. Hornet does have cons it can lose wings and wing guns easily. However firepower and good aiming is amazing in master modes. Mobility does have its place especially in atmosphere. I think the Hornet may end up being a squad ship launched from Krakens or Idris or something. My thoughts.
In master mode you’ll be able to attack at long distances
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and putting together this comparison. I think if CIG tackles some of the Sabre's issues you mentioned, I would recommend they make its stealth comparable to Hornet Ghost. I like flying the Sabre, with only one caveat, that front exhaust/thrusters when you slow down at night really dominate your peripheral vision. I would love to take some of the devs on a night op sometime, these cockpit instruments lights also need to be user controlled. Great video.
Thanks for the review! Really appreciate your work on this. Great choice of ships to compare. The Sabre fight was not equal to the Hornet as there were 7 ship all in the same tight spot. The Hornet would have needed to run and recover as well.
I have both ships and have flown the Sabre for years, and the F7C mk2 for a few days of course. I do love how precise the new Hornet flies. Let go of the stick and it stops turning! No oversteer.
Space flight - They both have pretty similar flight characteristics. Fully loaded out, the Hornet will likely win more fights as it has more dps.
Atmosphere - The Sabre is possibly the best in the game for fighters. I think the Sabre will beat the Hornet on most fights with equal pilots. The new system might change that.
Both ships need a size 2 shield. They are medium fighters but have the same number of S1 shields as some of the cheapest ships in the game. This is really a joke and needs to be changed.
There is a HUGE issue that I have with Energy weapons. With every weapon you add, the damage of each decrease significantly. This should ONLY happen if your power plants do not have enough power to cover for extra power draw. This doesn't currently work. Sample: Sabre with Panther repeaters: 1 = 301, 2 = 234, 3 = 185, 4 = 153 - which totals - 612dps
If you use ballistics, you get full damage of course. 4x Deadbolt III = 2500
FYI: Another good similar ship is the Banu Defender. Flies much like the Sabre but has the mentioned size 2 shield.
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Okay, I've been flying the MKII for a few days. Here is my review.
There are a few things to note.
1st) The sabre is a stealth fighter, more akin to the hornet ghost, than the MKII.
2nd) You're flying it completely wrong. You are trying to use pitch and yaw to move your nose on target. Thats that works great in the sabre, but in the MKII your 'bucking' is basically the wings stalling out. To solve this you turn like you turn a real life aircraft. Roll into the turn and pull up.
3rd) This ships real power comes from having access to 3 size 4 gun mounts. Which gives you access to the balistic galling guns used on the redeemer. The only balistic guns currently in game, in my opinion, with a decent ammo count. Those guns will rip through targets like a hit knife through butter.
Sure the sabre is more intuitive to handle, but if nothing else learning to use the MKII properly will give you a better idea of how to handle future flight models. Just to be clear I've taken out Arrows in PvP scenerios with it. I'm not even a good pilot. Listening to players say how bad it handles in atmo, is like listening to cyclists complaining about not having training wheels on.
The MKI handles the same way the gladius and arrow also have the same issue. Rolling is what causes the ship to buck around
Sabre is what I have attached to my game package. I remember the old days when the sabre was king lol
Make the Sabre great again
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@@marcuswynn89 I honestly feel like there's too much unknown/not quite implemented yet to make any real decision. master modes, stealth, proper weapon balances. I agree that the Sabre needs some tweaking but its not bad. It's a sort of zoom and boom/energy fighter, akin to something like the F4U in WW2. Fly straight and fast with an energy advantage over your opponent, (instead of stronger guns, it has stronger missiles and stealth[soontm]) hit your target with as much firepower you can in one pass and zoom off and renengage when its safe to do so.
This means that CIG needs to implement stealth properly, countermeasures, EWAR, and detection properly before the Sabre can really be judged in space. We know it's likely to be great in atmo, but again because of its size, I'm confident it will retain its energy fighter-like qualities. If its left as is for now its not terrible, I think its just missing out due to missing/WIP game features.
Honestly, I a think they could give it the 3rd shield and upsize the guns slots (2 or all 4) but balance/control/limit it simply by balancing/limiting the Power plant values. Make it so you if you put all the max upgrades on the sabre its performance tanks across the board. Examples, if you install a 3rd shield the ship wont be able to fully power its guns and/or engines. Take that a step further by saying if you choose to put all upgrades/biggest guns in the ship, you will constantly have to monitor and adjust power distribution...if you dont systems will fry and you could lose power entirely when trying to actually use all the upgrades...
I think another way to explain this is to say the ship can maintain 100% power on all systems (at idle/low usage) with it's current loadout. If you add a shield, the entire ship will basically demand , lets say, 125% of your generator's total power...which is impossible, without overclocking (damages the stock powerplant and coolers), and so you have to drop other systems down to fit within the available power demand. Additionally, if you upsize (all or just 2) of its guns to bring it more in line with newer ship's power creep, you can use ballistics but with extremely low bullet count, or use energy weapons and perform the same changes as above.
I think a big part of CIG's problem is they seem to design from the outside in, "rule of cool" and "what sells better", instead of the inside out, as well as being far to strict about ship modularity. Outside of having ridiculously oversized weaponry or decisions that make no sense from a 'realism" perspective. They always decide "X" ship is going to be this big, and it will have 4 guns...that'll look cool and people will buy it.
In the case for the Sabre, its hey lets make a cool looking but relatively oversized stealth fighter with bigger missiles...we'll figure out how to 'engineer' it later that will sell well. More lazers and guns always sells better then: We made this oversized but somewhat delicate medium fighter that comes stock as a stealthy missile deliverer . It also has some upsized gun hardpoints and an extra small shield slot but installing those comes with the cost of having to downgrade/remove/upgrade other parts and/or tinker with the ships power balance, which means you'll have to sacrifices to turn it into a brawling dogfighter.
CIG design ships of the same model with variants as individual "fully loaded"/maximum upgrades without any actual drwabacks....
Sorry for the rant.
@@xShredsx you find things all over with different titles for it. interdiction, superiority ect.
what i dont get is why in the hell people are still running energy weapons on a stealth ship. meta hounds cant put pieces together. This ship wants to come in and hit hard it doesnt have time for shields. balistics are said to have lower signals and go through shields, plus wont need the recharge time of energy weapons if you have systems turned off.
the saber flys in and cripples a target before it shoots back thats what you do.
but i dont wanna reload my ammo... to bad you dont wanna reload your eclipse either. if you have a fleet of sabre and they get the drop on a fleet of fighters they can seriously cripple the enemy fleet and disengage.
50 fighters vs 50 fighters. sabre go in and seriously damage your fighers now you got 50 fighters at 70% health with damage components vs 50 sabre.
"from the back I like the Sabre"
i.e.: I hate to see you leave but I love to watch you go
Yes the Sabre needs some love.
We flew it last night. I did notice that on Microtech, atmo fights are a bit rough... I constantly lost control and had to reposition and get control of it again. I didnt notice it on Lyria. Not sure if they put planet gravity aspects in yet, but eh... Maybe so.
It depends on the atmosphere but I would imagine microtech being rough
I found flying in microtech is great practice for master modes training lol.. also, found tapping space brake on F7 when it stalls to tail whip ship back in control.. hopefully it wont become a bad habit of mine... however, they are saying the F7 is the closest design yet to be master mode ready..
Don't judge any ship entirely based off current stats; Especially a newly released one. I'd just wait till 3.23 when Master Modes get added honestly, and probably the patch after that
It is currently not tuned well for atmo (It shouldnt be insane, but it definitely does suck more than it should in atmo granted a MK1 hornet with its bugged 28G can reach over 400m/s in atmo)
@@UnclePorkchop Gotta disagree, the current F7C MK2 flight model is entirely thrown together place holder which was basically the pre-bug MK1 flight stats. Entire flight model for every ship being reworked. Also stalling isn't possible in SC due to us not having actual flight surfaces yet. All thrusters always push max output, atmo is just fucky in general for all ships though to be fair. The stalls you are experiencing is just due to the fucked atmospheric flight model slapped onto it, and they probably won't fix it (Or the 28G bug for the hornet MK1 apparently caused by the Fury somehow) along with any other boned ships until 3.23
Thanks@@UnclePorkchop Gonna try that brake thing. LOL It's what I'd do in a car, so maybe there is logic to it. hehe
I think they are trying to manage the Pitch Up angles in atmosphere. So it feels like you are in an airplane and not a spaceship.
This will let them make a gameplay difference between in atmospheric ships and space ships.
We need to be able to set angle of attack and that will fix a lot of the issues
With the classification of roles padd coming with MM i think some ships should be better brawlers vs others that are glass cannons. This will encourage team play. As well as some ships should perform better in space at the cost of poor performance in atmo as well the inverse poor in space better in atmo
i love that people fly in atmosphere like they are in space and the complain it not flying like in space.
you you want to fly like that in atmo you need to have a craft with that shape of a sphere to have least resistence in any diraction in atmosphere
Even your logic is flawed because there are no control surfaces 😂
the mk2 performs like a plane in atmosphere. You need to roll and pull back on your stick to turn rather than yawing to turn.
How when there are no control surfaces
Hornet looks like a sawed off shotgun..
Good video. I'd take the MK2 over the Sabre in every scenario, except atmo. The Sabre in atmo is great. The MK2 in 1v1s holds its own against everything but F8, for the most part. The nose and roll response feels great, and the turn rate is ok for a medium. That atmo though, MK2 is one of the worst ships in the game.
and for that reason i still use my f8 for most scenarios
But, there are some glaring holes in the F8. Pretty much any light can take it down pretty easily. Against an F7 Mk2 it definitely has the advantage though.@@marcuswynn89
where can i get that center ball turret?
Center mass
For PvP I would not recommend the Hornet but for ERTs with AD4 loadout it is decent.
Horner can hold its own depending on what it’s fighting
@@marcuswynn89 Very True.
I still think the Sabre hast stuff going for it. A little bit if stealth helps linking missiles or engaging on the right terms. One the Mk2 Ghost comes out that might be a different beast.
Everyone saying it doesn’t perform well in atmo. Sorry but that’s not true. It performs closer to an aircraft in atmo than anything else in game and it’s on purpose. We have long abused the flight model in atmo and as control surfaces and aerodynamics come up for other ships it’s going to completely change how everyone views these ships. I for one and excited for this.
Never seen a fighter jet buck around in atmo
The F7C Mk2 is still on sale
this is for the people who can't afford to buy it at the moment
@@marcuswynn89Ah, ok i thought you meant the real money sale had ended.
@Puerkl8r nah nah
Similiar firepower??? 3 ad4bs want to have a chat. See if you can make a sabre loadout that deletea a hammerhead in 10 sec.
why would a tank fly good in atmo? they add armor to their fighters for space combat thats the balance in the game. when all the systems are in the hornets are going to be beefier in a direct fight and fine in space but in atmo i can easily see them blowing a gasket and falling out of the air when a wing or engine is done for.
Stupid cop out all systems are not in the game, armor won’t matter it’s artificial buff it’s only going to slightly increase ttk. My point is if I want to a tank I will hop in the nova
@@marcuswynn89 my point is a military with jets on earth goes into space where weight isnt much of an issue and decides to put armor on its jets which increases durability and reliability in space battles but isnt well suited for atmosphere. Armor in star citizen isnt just a simple buff when its all done it gives some negation to weapon types and protects internal systems but also adds more weight ect to a ship which is why massive capital ships wont want to be in atmo if they cant land because all parts of the ships eventually will degrade and you will crash. so in atmo a jet thats 100 lb verses 1k lb is less protected but faster and has less wear on its parts flying around.
@Marlax-101 people have been flying the javelin in atmo already
@@marcuswynn89 i am aware, doesnt mean its planned for them to be able to maintain it. They already talked in the past about parts overheating ect so even if a jav could maintain itself in atmo its thrusters ect would be working hard to hold its weight which means if it gets into a fight and looses any of them it could fall to the ground and be stuck.
Why should human made ships be better in atmo? Aliens have atmospheres too.