ETA - You really gotta stop saying "M.2 SSD". It's either M.2 SATA or M.2 PCI-E (Also known as NVME) This is a - VERY - important distinction as this adaptor will NOT run NVME's at all, and people can buy the wrong SSDs. M.2 is just the form factor they use (the socket), SATA and PCI-E are very different.
@@satrrap what's the point of using an NVME drive on a raspberry pi, this adapter interfaces through USB 3.0, that's 5GBits/Second, that's not even enough to saturate the SATA III speeds.
Would you say NVMe is better than SATA, I see that the write speeds are better but does that really matter for someone who is going to be using it the way it's demonstrated here?
That's the big problem with Raspebry Pi 4 - it wants to be a fully-fledged desktop replacement... with microSD card for system and no easy way to change it without plugging anything. No. 1 on my wishlist in future Raspberries is m.2 slot to connect a small-size m.2 hard drive. Hope it can be achieved while retaining a small device size.
I was thinking the same thing. I think it's harder for him to get parts like this since he isn't in the US and with shipping as crazy as it is right now.
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 a 3d printer is a pretty expensive ordeal if you dont use it often enough to justify to cost. not everyone has enough money to just go out and buy one.
Geekworm do a case and a top hat with fan and power switch which supports this board too. So it all fits into a nice small unit. They are selling everything on Amazon.
The only advantage I can see is being neater. This is much slower than just plugging a ssd into the usb 3 port. I use an old 2.5" ssd connected straight to the usb 3 and my speeds are sequential: 251095, random write: 19366, and random speed of 9266.
Disregard all the above, performance will be better, even in game, there will be less stuttering. You can actually watch the opposite, trying gaming with an sd card on a regular computer and compare it to normal ssd powered gaming computers.
@@pali3329 - You are explaining cache-ing. Some games continue to load content into RAM after you start playing. Once a game is done cache-ing, it runs fine. If a game has load screens, those breaks in the game will be shorter with faster storage.
Go Lazada - they have B slot and NVMe M slot (x862and x872). The USB Connectors are dodgy so get a USB3 to USB 3 male to male lead - has never given me a problem
Perhaps for low latency yes, however the transfer speeds will be limited to the gigabit ethernet port, expect to see a maximum of 110~ MB/sec for transfers. (This is comparable to a 7200 RPM SATA drive)
I'm thinking if i can use a m.2 to pcie adapter and connect a gpu. Is it possible? Edit: sorry i didn't see that it's output is from usb so that it's not possiblr
It doesn't work like that, but a raspberry pi does have pcie internally. I think it's used for the usb and ethernet, but people have successfully taken of the chip and soldered wires on to let you use regular pcie cards. I don't think gpus are supported though, but that's just due to drivers. How many people would use them?
My Geekworm X862 V2.0 - The top USB connector to Pi shorts out my Pi 4, no lights, nothing. Insulated top of USB connector with 2 layers of anti-static film, and it boots. BUT NO WIFI! Massive RF leaks will not allow Any WiF connection- 2.4 or 5 Ghz. Junk design, shows total lack of Real-World testing. Returned to Amazon for refund! Total Piece of JUNK/CRAP.
Neat. All-be-it expensive solution. They also have some for USB 3.0 -> SATA for 2.5" drives, but I couldn't justify that when you could buy a cable and jerry rig something for < $10. That being said, it's good to have the option for nicer looking things in this space.
I thought Geekworm quit selling these since the speed of the M.2 drive was wasted on the USB 3 interface? For all practical purposes, the X825-C6 SATA shield kit with the case and power supply is a better deal. Just got one last week and it works fantastic! Coupled with a 1 TB. Crucial SSD, it boots and runs extremely fast, and no more worries about glitchy micro-SD cards. 28 bucks and change for the kit and $99 for the 1 TB. SSD. That plus $61 for a RPi 4B 4 gb., and you have a cheap fast computer for around $200 (provided you have a spare monitor or 2 and a keyboard and mouse lying around, like I do)😁
1) Put a micro sd card into your Pi 4 with raspberry os. Power it up. Make sure everything is updated (eeprom, firmware, etc.). 2) Change boot priority to USB. Power it off. 3) Remove the micro sd card. 4) Connect the SSD to a computer via USB, and write the image you want to be running on your Pi 4 onto it. Once written, eject the SSD. 5) Connect the SSD to your Pi 4 via USB. Power it on.
Would actually love if the pi foundation released a pi built into a keyboard case with hard drive and m.2 support. So it's a proper all in one machine like the machines it copied.
Are you planning taking a look at the X872 version which supports nvme m.2 drives. Would be interesting to see the speed gains from using the nvme version.
hey, hello ETA I just thought if we can add a graphics card to the pi 4 using m.2 to PCIe x4 as we have m.2 there. Maybe windows 10 on pi4 with 3gigs of RAM and a graphics card may increase gaming performance. Try it once.
Good review. I have to watch your reviews a few times cos you talk so fast and zip right thru everything in "record time"... 😅 But I enjoy them all. Never heard of BerryBoot before... Thanx
I see your IOPS are pretty low for an SSD. (1500/500 are target IOPS for a class A1 microSD card) Does your kernel have UASP support (check lsusb -t, driver should be listed as "uas") ? That should increase your SSD random I/O speed significantly.
I've been thinking about getting one of these, but now I'm not so sure. While the speeds are better than sd card, they're not the fastest. I recently got a USB 3.0 uasp sata adapter cable and I'm getting 292571 KB/s for sequential write speed, random write speed of 22850 IOPS, and random read speed of 17504 IOPS.
I am running another Pi 4 with a 240G Kingston 2.5 SSD - runs with a UAS compatible adapter and for Seq Writes i'm getting over 320,000 and randoms 4k of 75,000 and 67,000. Realistically the real rand speeds are 18900 and 16800 approx IOPS so for me is also a better option. Next week I will try a new 3rd Gen NVMe
The only thing keeping me from daily driving a pi instead of a PC is drive speeds. If they added a native way to utilize the lower latency and faster speeds of nvme (1000+ MB/s) I would use a pi all day.
Two questions. I have a project that will have up to 5 pi4b 4gb in a 19” rack mount chassis. These already have Poe top hats. Will this under hat work along with Poe hat? Can you provide any links for video showing pi4 Poe m.2?
I have your card in my Amazon cart. Question first. My project I will have 5 pi4b in a 5 bay hot swap rackmount case. The pi’s have Poe top hats. Will this work with the Poe? I need both. Thanks.
M.2 is just a form factor and connector. The drives and the adapter here are for SATA M.2, and SATA M.2 drives are the same thing as SATA 2.5" drives, just a different shape. You're thinking of NVMe, which can go over M.2, is PCIe-based, faster but more expensive.
while these products are great, it’s too bad that you are forced to pick between a clean assembly for an ssd or a nice case like an argon one with heat dissipation and cable layout. there’s always a tradeoff somewhere.
so ... I am shocked the m.2 is slower than my cheap ssd I am using via a geekworks sata adapter. pi@rpi4dave:~ $ cat rpdiags.txt Raspberry Pi Diagnostics - version 0.5 Wed Dec 9 10:46:00 2020 Test : SD Card Speed Test Run 1 prepare-file;0;0;327680;640 seq-write;0;0;312076;609 rand-4k-write;0;0;61134;15283 rand-4k-read;57437;14359;0;0 Sequential write speed 312076 KB/sec (target 10000) - PASS Random write speed 15283 IOPS (target 500) - PASS Random read speed 14359 IOPS (target 1500) - PASS Test PASS
Why you used M2 sata 3 if you can take normal sata3? Normal sata bigger then m2 and box from metal and this metal it radiator. USB 3.0 =5GB but u can take only 128 it very bad result. And USB adaptor to sata cheper then m2. Instal radiator or used fan on u SSD
the USB is the bottleneck... you can use a normal SSD on your USB and get the same results. Install the eeprom from 2020-07-16 and you have an USB-boot. I'm using an old 32gb ssd and an USB-to-SATA adapter for laptop hdds. Way cheaper than a M.2 and you get the same speed results...
What are you using to power this? I've got the Official RasPi 3amp PSU and a 1Tb Crucial SSD, and can't get it working (Pi works okay, SSD doesn't work with the X862).
Every time I try to copy/write OS image to SSD on Argon One M.2 , the Pi will halt and I must reboot Pi, Should I must to create bootable SSD outside the Pi ? Or M.2/Pi something wrong ?
Performance isn't going to be better vs a decent SATA SSD drive. So that NIESPi 4 case with SATA adapter works really well (or any other SATA adapter for Pi).
Will the increased write/read speeds on this setup make any positive performance increase if you're going to use the Pi as a low powered Plex/OpenMediaVault server?
They should have included 3.1 if they were going to keep USB A ports. You're still only getting 5GiB/s. They could not only increase that, but make a slimmer board if they had USB-C for everything
The adapter has two additional power supply ports (the barrel jack and the battery connector) - did you need to power one of these to get the SSD working, or did it draw enough power over USB3?
the twe additional power supply ports is only for some 2TB or more capacity SSDs, the power consumption is large and an external power supply is required
You can not use a Raspberry Pi touchscreen when using this board. The 180 degree connector uses the same usb3 connecor used for the screen. You have to use a connector that uses a different usb port.
I just got this and the connector bridge for some reason interferes with my wireless keyboard. I have to stand a foot away for it too work. If I take it out everything works fine. Anyone had this issue and how did you solve it?
Does this one cause WiFi issues to you? I haven't been able to connect to either 2.4 nor 5 GHz WiFi networks when this is connected. The only way I had to use it successfully was using a 50cm USB A to A shielded cable
John Hayden , it's hard to find proper A to A USB cables. I used the one which came with my Magewell HDMI capture card. Honestly I have given up on trying to get this Pi 4's WiFi to work in this particular case. It is situated near my switch so I tun it on Ethernet. When I receive my Argon ONE M.2 I'll update this thread. Would be nice if @ETA PRIME could chime in on this
@@ubidefeo I have also pre ordered a DeskPro enclosure that ETA reviewed. I left a reply on that video asking if he tested the wifi and explaining why. Hopefully he will answer. These products can still be useful but must come with full disclosure about their effect on wifi if this is not solvable via some new engineering.
hi @@jhhayden A few days ago I received my Argon One M.2 case and finally assembled it last night. It works great with both 2.4 and 5GHz WiFi networks I have at home. Not a hiccup. This means it's just down to the crappy quality of GeekWorm's builds. I mean, it's on the lower end of the spectrum, so not a huge surprise. It would be great if ETA Prime could participate in this small subthread, but I'm sure he's too busy to notice :)
@@ubidefeo As I said in my original post, I also have a DeskPI Pro on pre order. As soon as incomes in I will test it. If it works great but its also good to know that the Argon One M.2 works. Thanks for the info.
@@aderbalnunesm Probably just a different controller for the sd card. An emmc module would be a whole extra component, which would certainly add extra expense.
I don't know about that. eMMC's are piss poor devices to begin with. I'd rather have those GPIO's extended than have option for such a poor media. USB imo is good solution for storage. Though I'd like to see one port aligned above the board to use some small nano devices that wouldn't be able to yank out from cases when it's in use.
Another great video ETA! I have found that an external case for a SSD/M.2 does work a little better because i can plug into another device for fast backups. This is one area that the Pi World could improve on unless I'm missing something, which is probably the case lol..
BEWARE! Please be aware that if you plan to use this board AND your wifi, the wifi will NOT work! After reverting everything back to stock, I had my pi's wifi working. Set up to boot from the USB drive, removed the SD card and rebooted. No wifi. Put the SD card back in rebooted (with the USB dongle in), no wifi. Removed USB dongle and rebooted and wifi came back.
Your HDMI is giving off a lot of RF Noise. It is a current issue with Pi (apparently). I purchased very expensive HDMI Shielded cables with some better success but still some dropping out issues. I have an open rig with an Ice Tower Fan and a 2.5 in SSD board below. My solution is to build a Faraday Jacket around the original PI 4 supplied cable at the Pi end. I used some steel mesh and made a cover. This was then wrapped with aluminium foil and another plastic coat. It is the size of a business card and i wrapped it loosely around the HDMI Cable with a bit of sticky tape (after all it was an experiment). I also out of interest placed an old mini SSD Aluminium case between the power input and the HDMI input (insulated with an old business card). The results are outstanding when i measure with a RF Meter. Full signal, wifi has never dropped since
Stop rubbing your fingers all over the circuits. There was a memory company whose employee said they always used antistatic mats and antistatic wristbands, until one day, their management told employees that it would be optional to use them. They found that the number of defective products in manufacturing did not increase, so they decided to make this change permanent. Until a few months later, when RMAs for products going defective shot up from a few percent to over fifty percent. Every batch that went out without antistatic mats/wristbands used had a shortened lifespan and defected later. They reimplemented the rule to use antistatic mats and wristbands, and all batches that went out after that had the normal defect rate of a couple of a percent. You know when someone rubs their shoes in carpet and touches you and you see/feel the spark shocking you? Well, that's over 30,000 volts of electricity, believe it or not. It only take 10 volts of static to destroy memory, and the human body would not see or feel the static discharge if it is under 1,500 volts. So if you shorten the life of memory by touching it, you wouldn't even know it.
ETA - You really gotta stop saying "M.2 SSD". It's either M.2 SATA or M.2 PCI-E (Also known as NVME)
This is a - VERY - important distinction as this adaptor will NOT run NVME's at all, and people can buy the wrong SSDs. M.2 is just the form factor they use (the socket), SATA and PCI-E are very different.
This message should be pinned. I though that this is NVME compatible and hence is actually complete waste. Well I think it still is, but anyway.
Ty I kept asking this through the whole video until the close-up of the label said SATA III so that's when I knew which one.
@@satrrap what's the point of using an NVME drive on a raspberry pi, this adapter interfaces through USB 3.0, that's 5GBits/Second, that's not even enough to saturate the SATA III speeds.
@@satrrap yeah, that's reasonable
Would you say NVMe is better than SATA, I see that the write speeds are better but does that really matter for someone who is going to be using it the way it's demonstrated here?
That's the big problem with Raspebry Pi 4 - it wants to be a fully-fledged desktop replacement... with microSD card for system and no easy way to change it without plugging anything. No. 1 on my wishlist in future Raspberries is m.2 slot to connect a small-size m.2 hard drive. Hope it can be achieved while retaining a small device size.
Are there any tutorials on how to install a retro pie image on this set up?
is adding m.2 will make the fps highee in object detection in Raspberry pi
The guy from explaining computers made something like this with parts available to him. I think this is what he wanted
I was just thinking that
I was thinking the same thing. I think it's harder for him to get parts like this since he isn't in the US and with shipping as crazy as it is right now.
Ha ha I just sent the link to this video to his video on this saying exactly the same thing
Same. He spent a lot of time trying to jury rig what this adapter accomplished
We all watch the same channels haha
if only someone would create a fan-less aluminium case that fits all this inside.
You don't have an 3D printer ? It's 2020 ! Make it yourself !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 aluminium case
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 can you 3D print with aluminum?
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 a 3d printer is a pretty expensive ordeal if you dont use it often enough to justify to cost. not everyone has enough money to just go out and buy one.
Geekworm do a case and a top hat with fan and power switch which supports this board too. So it all fits into a nice small unit. They are selling everything on Amazon.
Any advantage to doing this instead of just a regular 2.5" ssd to usb adapter ? Besides this being a little neater?
It really come down to keeping it neatly packaged.
Absolutely not. Performance is actually really, really bad. Stick to sata drive always when possible.
@@adventureoflinkmk2 yeah i think he's looking for that C shaped USB3 adapter that goes underneath the board
@Beyondesp I have just that, an SSD of 2TB connected with a Sata to USB3 adapter. `hdparm -t /dev/sda` returns 242.86 MB/sec. I'm happy.
The only advantage I can see is being neater. This is much slower than just plugging a ssd into the usb 3 port. I use an old 2.5" ssd connected straight to the usb 3 and my speeds are sequential: 251095, random write: 19366, and random speed of 9266.
Question: Is the adapter usb only mode or does it go as UAS (USB Attached SCSI)? There is a big diffrence in speed as i have heard.
Can you do a video showing us gaming performance with RetroPie on this M.2 adapter?
It doesnt affect the performance i thing
Won't make any or little improvement. Maybe just everything load a bit faster.
Reiterate what others have said. It'll improve load times. Once in-game, performance will be identical.
Disregard all the above, performance will be better, even in game, there will be less stuttering. You can actually watch the opposite, trying gaming with an sd card on a regular computer and compare it to normal ssd powered gaming computers.
@@pali3329 - You are explaining cache-ing. Some games continue to load content into RAM after you start playing. Once a game is done cache-ing, it runs fine.
If a game has load screens, those breaks in the game will be shorter with faster storage.
Great view as ever! You should totally check this out with the Windows arm build for raspberry pi.
Would like to see that 👍
Lol just realized I typed view instead of video sorry ETA 🤣
Say goodbye to 2.4ghz WiFi and wireless keyboards and mice when you use one of these...
How do I know this?
Agree. What a bad surprise.
You forgot to mention, how unreliable microsd cards are and how much more often writable an SSD is comparison.
Same day as posted and Amazon ways M.2 board "Currently Unavailable" WTF?!?
Go Lazada - they have B slot and NVMe M slot (x862and x872). The USB Connectors are dodgy so get a USB3 to USB 3 male to male lead - has never given me a problem
Now all that's left is to get a casing for that raspberry pi 4 setup.
Very nice. There seem to be quite a few add ons or cases now for an M.2. The Argon seems to be the best imo as shown on explaining computers
Why not just use a USB 3.0 drive if it's going to be bottlenecked to USB 3.0 speeds anyway?
we can make very fast NAS with this thing
Perhaps for low latency yes, however the transfer speeds will be limited to the gigabit ethernet port, expect to see a maximum of 110~ MB/sec for transfers.
(This is comparable to a 7200 RPM SATA drive)
I'm thinking if i can use a m.2 to pcie adapter and connect a gpu. Is it possible?
Edit: sorry i didn't see that it's output is from usb so that it's not possiblr
even if it was running over pcie, finding drivers for the gpu would be a problem
Not possible, doesnt work over usb like that.
It's also not PCI but SATA*
It doesn't work like that, but a raspberry pi does have pcie internally. I think it's used for the usb and ethernet, but people have successfully taken of the chip and soldered wires on to let you use regular pcie cards. I don't think gpus are supported though, but that's just due to drivers. How many people would use them?
My Geekworm X862 V2.0 - The top USB connector to Pi shorts out my Pi 4, no lights, nothing. Insulated top of USB connector with 2 layers of anti-static film, and it boots. BUT NO WIFI! Massive RF leaks will not allow Any WiF connection- 2.4 or 5 Ghz.
Junk design, shows total lack of Real-World testing. Returned to Amazon for refund! Total Piece of JUNK/CRAP.
It works fine with newer version of the Pi4! If you are using Pi4 8G, you will not have any problem.
Neat. All-be-it expensive solution. They also have some for USB 3.0 -> SATA for 2.5" drives, but I couldn't justify that when you could buy a cable and jerry rig something for < $10.
That being said, it's good to have the option for nicer looking things in this space.
Oh man, send this to Explaining Computers Stat!!!!!
This thing is really awesome 😍
@Jay Dee You better directly email ETA prime about your beast m2
I thought Geekworm quit selling these since the speed of the M.2 drive was wasted on the USB 3 interface? For all practical purposes, the X825-C6 SATA shield kit with the case and power supply is a better deal. Just got one last week and it works fantastic! Coupled with a 1 TB. Crucial SSD, it boots and runs extremely fast, and no more worries about glitchy micro-SD cards. 28 bucks and change for the kit and $99 for the 1 TB. SSD. That plus $61 for a RPi 4B 4 gb., and you have a cheap fast computer for around $200 (provided you have a spare monitor or 2 and a keyboard and mouse lying around, like I do)😁
Hey build the cheapest pc with window 10
i want to run my pi from an ssd and can't figure out how and watched many videos on it.
1) Put a micro sd card into your Pi 4 with raspberry os. Power it up. Make sure everything is updated (eeprom, firmware, etc.).
2) Change boot priority to USB. Power it off.
3) Remove the micro sd card.
4) Connect the SSD to a computer via USB, and write the image you want to be running on your Pi 4 onto it. Once written, eject the SSD.
5) Connect the SSD to your Pi 4 via USB. Power it on.
Any there any 2.5" SSD cases out there for the Pi4?
Would actually love if the pi foundation released a pi built into a keyboard case with hard drive and m.2 support. So it's a proper all in one machine like the machines it copied.
They have! Pi 400
@@skinshowcase7998 thank you. I actually said this pre pi400 release. They obviously read my comment 🤣
Are you planning taking a look at the X872 version which supports nvme m.2 drives. Would be interesting to see the speed gains from using the nvme version.
hey, hello ETA I just thought if we can add a graphics card to the pi 4 using m.2 to PCIe x4 as we have m.2 there. Maybe windows 10 on pi4 with 3gigs of RAM and a graphics card may increase gaming performance. Try it once.
For what I can see in the video, the boards says it's a B key M.2, and only supports sata, so there's no PCIe support available
@J Fz thank you
@@miguelagueda3928 Thank you
Good review. I have to watch your reviews a few times cos you talk so fast and zip right thru everything in "record time"... 😅
But I enjoy them all. Never heard of BerryBoot before... Thanx
I have my M.2 in a $12 USB 3.0 Adaptor on very short cord, and get around 450 r/w, i really like the board, but it will not fit in any case, pity
The real game stopper from me on using Berry Boot is that it doesn’t support dual monitors on the raspberry pi
I see your IOPS are pretty low for an SSD. (1500/500 are target IOPS for a class A1 microSD card) Does your kernel have UASP support (check lsusb -t, driver should be listed as "uas") ? That should increase your SSD random I/O speed significantly.
I've been thinking about getting one of these, but now I'm not so sure. While the speeds are better than sd card, they're not the fastest. I recently got a USB 3.0 uasp sata adapter cable and I'm getting 292571 KB/s for sequential write speed, random write speed of 22850 IOPS, and random read speed of 17504 IOPS.
I am running another Pi 4 with a 240G Kingston 2.5 SSD - runs with a UAS compatible adapter and for Seq Writes i'm getting over 320,000 and randoms 4k of 75,000 and 67,000. Realistically the real rand speeds are 18900 and 16800 approx IOPS so for me is also a better option. Next week I will try a new 3rd Gen NVMe
@@alanwatson1867 can you share the links to the adapter and the ssd ?
*PLEASE ADD GPU ON RASBERRY PIE* 🙏🙏🙏
The only thing keeping me from daily driving a pi instead of a PC is drive speeds. If they added a native way to utilize the lower latency and faster speeds of nvme (1000+ MB/s) I would use a pi all day.
Excellent video, but i have always had issues with berry boot supporting a dual screen set up with my Pi 4
Two questions. I have a project that will have up to 5 pi4b 4gb in a 19” rack mount chassis. These already have Poe top hats. Will this under hat work along with Poe hat? Can you provide any links for video showing pi4 Poe m.2?
I have your card in my Amazon cart. Question first. My project I will have 5 pi4b in a 5 bay hot swap rackmount case. The pi’s have Poe top hats. Will this work with the Poe? I need both. Thanks.
you didnt link the eeprom flashing video like you insinuated with the berryboot video (1:50 - 2:13)
it doesn't worth using an M2 for that purpose: a regular SSD reaches 500 MB/s at a lower price than a regular M2 that should reach 2000 MB/s.
That's a SATA M.2 drive....
M.2 is just a form factor and connector. The drives and the adapter here are for SATA M.2, and SATA M.2 drives are the same thing as SATA 2.5" drives, just a different shape. You're thinking of NVMe, which can go over M.2, is PCIe-based, faster but more expensive.
while these products are great, it’s too bad that you are forced to pick between a clean assembly for an ssd or a nice case like an argon one with heat dissipation and cable layout. there’s always a tradeoff somewhere.
so ... I am shocked the m.2 is slower than my cheap ssd I am using via a geekworks sata adapter. pi@rpi4dave:~ $ cat rpdiags.txt
Raspberry Pi Diagnostics - version 0.5
Wed Dec 9 10:46:00 2020
Test : SD Card Speed Test
Run 1
prepare-file;0;0;327680;640
seq-write;0;0;312076;609
rand-4k-write;0;0;61134;15283
rand-4k-read;57437;14359;0;0
Sequential write speed 312076 KB/sec (target 10000) - PASS
Random write speed 15283 IOPS (target 500) - PASS
Random read speed 14359 IOPS (target 1500) - PASS
Test PASS
im using this setup with the geekworm case for my minecraft server. it’s awesome.
Why you used M2 sata 3 if you can take normal sata3? Normal sata bigger then m2 and box from metal and this metal it radiator. USB 3.0 =5GB but u can take only 128 it very bad result. And USB adaptor to sata cheper then m2.
Instal radiator or used fan on u SSD
the USB is the bottleneck... you can use a normal SSD on your USB and get the same results. Install the eeprom from 2020-07-16 and you have an USB-boot. I'm using an old 32gb ssd and an USB-to-SATA adapter for laptop hdds. Way cheaper than a M.2 and you get the same speed results...
Hey ETA prime, can you please check will this work with odroid n2?
What are you using to power this?
I've got the Official RasPi 3amp PSU and a 1Tb Crucial SSD, and can't get it working (Pi works okay, SSD doesn't work with the X862).
Every time I try to copy/write OS image to SSD on Argon One M.2 , the Pi will halt and I must reboot Pi, Should I must to create bootable SSD outside the Pi ? Or M.2/Pi something wrong ?
Performance isn't going to be better vs a decent SATA SSD drive. So that NIESPi 4 case with SATA adapter works really well (or any other SATA adapter for Pi).
Can this be used for googplemeet, zoom and microsoft team meetings?
I'm thinking of buying this or rock pi
(Pls be nice I just wanna know)
Will the increased write/read speeds on this setup make any positive performance increase if you're going to use the Pi as a low powered Plex/OpenMediaVault server?
256gb M.2 when I boot Raspberry Pi 4 M.2 does not detect what I can do to make M.2 boot Raspberry Pi 4 visible.
Will a DRAM cache m.2 SSD be faster, or does the USB 3.0 interface negate any speed advantage that a DRAM would offer?
They should have included 3.1 if they were going to keep USB A ports. You're still only getting 5GiB/s. They could not only increase that, but make a slimmer board if they had USB-C for everything
You need to do some of that rasPI game testing with this build.
You know you want to.
Good vid.
The adapter has two additional power supply ports (the barrel jack and the battery connector) - did you need to power one of these to get the SSD working, or did it draw enough power over USB3?
He said in the video if you're using a good power source for the RPi it will be able to draw enough power via USB to power the adapter & M.2 SSD.
@@Choralone422 Somehow I missed that. TYVM!
the twe additional power supply ports is only for some 2TB or more capacity SSDs, the power consumption is large and an external power supply is required
You can not use a Raspberry Pi touchscreen when using this board. The 180 degree connector uses the same usb3 connecor used for the screen. You have to use a connector that uses a different usb port.
If the speed is only 185M/s, even if an SSD (non NVME) would not be the bottleneck.
I just got this and the connector bridge for some reason interferes with my wireless keyboard. I have to stand a foot away for it too work. If I take it out everything works fine. Anyone had this issue and how did you solve it?
what about a cheap SSD enclosure and then connect to raspberry (Not aesthetic; but things get done cost effectively)
whats the speed difference between a usb stick that is usb 3.1 and this m.2? why pay more for m.2 memory when the stick does the same thing...
7:26 you said increase boot time.. it you mean decrease boot time..
Awesome!!! So hmm in that case can we just expand the memories on such devices like pi4 2gb ?
Does this one cause WiFi issues to you?
I haven't been able to connect to either 2.4 nor 5 GHz WiFi networks when this is connected.
The only way I had to use it successfully was using a 50cm USB A to A shielded cable
Same problem here. Can you recommend cable brand? Most of the stuff I looked at are very unclear on the shielding or lack of.
John Hayden , it's hard to find proper A to A USB cables.
I used the one which came with my Magewell HDMI capture card.
Honestly I have given up on trying to get this Pi 4's WiFi to work in this particular case.
It is situated near my switch so I tun it on Ethernet.
When I receive my Argon ONE M.2 I'll update this thread.
Would be nice if @ETA PRIME could chime in on this
@@ubidefeo I have also pre ordered a DeskPro enclosure that ETA reviewed. I left a reply on that video asking if he tested the wifi and explaining why. Hopefully he will answer. These products can still be useful but must come with full disclosure about their effect on wifi if this is not solvable via some new engineering.
hi @@jhhayden
A few days ago I received my Argon One M.2 case and finally assembled it last night.
It works great with both 2.4 and 5GHz WiFi networks I have at home.
Not a hiccup.
This means it's just down to the crappy quality of GeekWorm's builds.
I mean, it's on the lower end of the spectrum, so not a huge surprise.
It would be great if ETA Prime could participate in this small subthread, but I'm sure he's too busy to notice :)
@@ubidefeo As I said in my original post, I also have a DeskPI Pro on pre order. As soon as incomes in I will test it. If it works great but its also good to know that the Argon One M.2 works. Thanks for the info.
Why not using usb flash for the OS instead of spending money on the pcb board with a m2? Just wonder
What is the largest size SSD the raspberry Pi can handle? Is there a connector for full size SSD?
Probably do this later with my PS1-pi project. Trying to see what it will cost me total to reproduce it to sell here locally.
So what if I have an ssd I can't plug into my pc but have a pi adapter, can I format the OS on the ssd from the pi itself?
I try use X872 for m.2 but plug in win10 how can I detect and format?
Excuse my extreme ignorance, but why does it need to sit underneath? Couldn't it sit on top?
Why not just use a fast USB 3 memory key ?
Please can you make a video tutorial on how to install OS on ssd m.2 without using sd cards thank you in advance.
Would I be able to flash the M.2 with Retropie for an upgrade to emulation?
Anyone know if this causes issues with the WiFi and if it does can it be fixed by using an external card. Thanks
Raspberry 4 8gb 80€+30€ Ssd sata m2 adapter Board = too much
Imagine if you could add your own CPU via an accessory someone make that please
Why do you need Berry Boot when the latest firmware allows USB booting?
One thing that could come in the RPi5: emmc module for interchangeable flash memory. Then they would sell the modules separately. Just like Rock Pi.
or Pine64
microSD express would allow support of the NVME protocol - that seems like it would be a good enough solution, once the Pi 5 rolls around?
@@liamness it can be a solution too. But maybe it's more expensive
@@aderbalnunesm Probably just a different controller for the sd card. An emmc module would be a whole extra component, which would certainly add extra expense.
I don't know about that. eMMC's are piss poor devices to begin with. I'd rather have those GPIO's extended than have option for such a poor media. USB imo is good solution for storage. Though I'd like to see one port aligned above the board to use some small nano devices that wouldn't be able to yank out from cases when it's in use.
It's pretty cool but tbh over usb 3.0 I'd probably just get a sata adapter and a sata SSD
Waiting for my parts to arrive, I just wish there was some cheap boxes to install it into
Another great video ETA! I have found that an external case for a SSD/M.2 does work a little better because i can plug into another device for fast backups. This is one area that the Pi World could improve on unless I'm missing something, which is probably the case lol..
I followed your link to Amazon for this M. 2 adapter and it is currently unavailable.
Need to waits serval days...
Will an Ice Tower still mount on the pi with this?
How dose compare to a standard SSD connected to a USB3 port via a USB 3 to SATA adaptor ?
can this be mounted above the pi rather than under it? or do the standoffs not go far enough above the i.o. ports?
That adapter and a icecooler and a 8gb pi4b would make a livable budget desktop
Think there’s an NVME version of that adapter?
Yes: X873 v1.2
BEWARE! Please be aware that if you plan to use this board AND your wifi, the wifi will NOT work! After reverting everything back to stock, I had my pi's wifi working. Set up to boot from the USB drive, removed the SD card and rebooted. No wifi. Put the SD card back in rebooted (with the USB dongle in), no wifi. Removed USB dongle and rebooted and wifi came back.
Your HDMI is giving off a lot of RF Noise. It is a current issue with Pi (apparently). I purchased very expensive HDMI Shielded cables with some better success but still some dropping out issues. I have an open rig with an Ice Tower Fan and a 2.5 in SSD board below. My solution is to build a Faraday Jacket around the original PI 4 supplied cable at the Pi end. I used some steel mesh and made a cover. This was then wrapped with aluminium foil and another plastic coat. It is the size of a business card and i wrapped it loosely around the HDMI Cable with a bit of sticky tape (after all it was an experiment). I also out of interest placed an old mini SSD Aluminium case between the power input and the HDMI input (insulated with an old business card). The results are outstanding when i measure with a RF Meter. Full signal, wifi has never dropped since
Try and do a video without saying 'super'.......
I wonder if the effect is noticeable enough to justify the cost.
"And even increase boot time" heh.
yea... just what i wanted... my sdcard is booting too quickly... i cant even see the BIOS menu.
Would love to see NAS transfer speeds
on a new system can all this be done at the beginning. or do i need to put raspian os on sd first
Does anyone know how to get a retropie icon on your desktop like in this video?
Not compatible with PiBoy DMG 😟
Can you do this on a Pi 3B+
(Just need storage not speed)
Stick an ice tower on top of that and your sorted right..?
Does this support linux operating system?
Stop rubbing your fingers all over the circuits.
There was a memory company whose employee said they always used antistatic mats and antistatic wristbands, until one day, their management told employees that it would be optional to use them. They found that the number of defective products in manufacturing did not increase, so they decided to make this change permanent. Until a few months later, when RMAs for products going defective shot up from a few percent to over fifty percent. Every batch that went out without antistatic mats/wristbands used had a shortened lifespan and defected later. They reimplemented the rule to use antistatic mats and wristbands, and all batches that went out after that had the normal defect rate of a couple of a percent.
You know when someone rubs their shoes in carpet and touches you and you see/feel the spark shocking you? Well, that's over 30,000 volts of electricity, believe it or not.
It only take 10 volts of static to destroy memory, and the human body would not see or feel the static discharge if it is under 1,500 volts. So if you shorten the life of memory by touching it, you wouldn't even know it.