Compare: Krups Coffee Grinders
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Marc and Morgan from wholelattelove.comreview and compare two budget priced grinders from Krups: The GX6000 and GVX212. Both feature 18 grind settings, ceramic burrs and timed grinding.
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Krups GX6000
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Krups GVX212
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I have the GVX and I'm quite pleased with it, generally speaking. There are two things that I find a bit annoying. One is static electricity, which makes the coffee stick to the sides of the ground coffee holder and to its lid. The other is that the little switch which signals that the ground coffee holder has been correctly inserted is a bit unreliable. Oftentimes it won't start, and I must remove the holder and insert it back a few times until the machine eventually acknowledges its presence. But these are hardly show stoppers. I can live with them.
There's one thing I don't quite get. Why is the maximum level marked on the coffee bean hopper so low? What's the point in making such a tall hopper, if you can't use all of its volume? Does it actually need all that empty space? What would happen if you filled the hopper above the max line?
Hey VS, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Hi! I hope you still read the comments on this video, because i have a question :)
I bought the GVX2 to grind.... nuts!
because I wasn't getting a fine enough result with my Krups One Touch (that has a blade).
But the GVX2 spits out some hazelnut dust for 1/2 a second, and then ONE drop off hazelnut BUTTER, and that's it!
I even crushed the nuts first to make sure they'd fit through, but i got the same result.
Is this grinder different to the point that it works only on coffee beans and if so, why?
Hi b, I still do read the comments. These burr grinders were designed to grind coffee beans. My guess - confirmed by your experience is the hazelnuts are too oily.
@@Wholelattelovepage Aaah ! Thank you so much!
Hola:¿Dónde se puede comprar esa pieza de sustitución de arranque? Gracias
Hello: Where can I buy this starter replacement part? Thank you
Hola JS, deberás comunicarte con Krups para obtener la pieza.
Hi JS, You will need to contact Krups for the part.
Honest review...
And you are correct i just had krups gvx2 and its not for coarsest grind size😅 but works well for fine grind😉
Hi B, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Just bought a gvx212. hope it will grind coffee well for me :D just upgraded from using the spice grinder on my blender. This grinder is'nt much more expensive than the blade grinders so jokes on those who purchase the blade ones.
Hi Taco, I love tacos a whole latte! Anyway, burr grinder will be a huge upgrade over blade. You will get a much more balanced cup with a consistent grind particle size.
@@Wholelattelovepage hello..I just got a Krups GX5000.. although machine works well..what I didn't achieve is a very fine grind for espresso. Also the grind isn't consistent. I am thinking of returning but others hv really rated this grinder one of the best in its category. So either I am not grinding it correctly or I have got the grind size dosage wrongly calculated. Can I help me to decide.i cud show u the shot I pulled using the fine setting..how do I send?
l should have seen this video before I have bought used gvx2. You are 100% correct, I use manual grinder also and krups gvx2 can't grind fine enough for opened portafilter, no mater what I do :) Tnx for clarification
Thanks for sharing
Hi dear , please I’m looking for ur advice , i’m so beginner and i really don’t understand in coffees , well recently i bought a normal coffee machine from mellerware with 20 Bar , i don’t really like the results i feel like so normal , for the bins i use the spice grinder it’s like a fan from inside , and i use the default basket comes with the machine . So the question is if i bought new basket not pressurized the one that opened from the bottom , with the grinder gvx2 , it may improve the results or i’m going to wast my money , really waiting for u answer ♥️♥️♥️
Hi AE, Thanks for the question. I believe your espresso maker was designed to work with pressurized baskets. I think it's unlikely you'll see any benefit from using a non-pressurized basket. I do believe you can improve your espresso a bit by using a burr grinder rather than a blade grinder. Hope that helps!
Marc
Lol!! That grinder on the left, the GX6000, made me laugh every time Marc tried to put the grounds container back in the machine and kept accidentally turning it on. And how long it took to unscrew, then screw in the upper burr/bean hopper! Sorry...I just found it a bit amusing. :)
+helpfulnatural No worries. Not a grinder I use very often!
I have the cheap little one on the right. I've been happy with the results, and it has improved the quality of the espresso I drink as it is now very convenient to grind when I need it. Mostly its a nice little item. I have two big complaints. The on off switch is fragile and mine broke quite early on and apparently this is a common problem. Second, there seems to be no easy way to clean the inside, and oily beans will stick requiring that you shake the whole unit to get the beans through. Neither would be outright deal breakers for me. If this died and I couldn't afford something better I'd replace it with the same unit, but its annoying.
Hi David, Thanks for sharing your impressions! These are budget level grinders for sure. To keep the price low there are compromises made in components. If looking for something a little more rugged you might consider something like the Capresso Infinity: www.wholelattelove.com/products/jura-capresso-infinity-burr-grinder-stainless-steel-abs-plastic-finish It's ~$30 more and still a lot of plastic but a lot more reliable.
Hello, why wouldn’t you use them for espresso? I’ve got a Delonghi Dedica espresso machine and want to grind my beans not sure to go for an electric or manual grinder
Hi PF, A stock Dedica uses a pressurized filter basket which is more forgiving of grind size being not quite right. I would not use these grinders for making espresso in standard non-pressurized filter baskets which require precise control of grind size for good results.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for the advice. I’m moving from Nespresso and saw quite a few good reviews on the dedica some even went into using an after market non pressurised portafilter saying it works well. I’ll give this grinder a miss, any suggestions for ideally a lower budget grinder? Happy with a hand grinder too
Why not for espresso? I’ve got the gvx2 and I use the finest setting and make (what I consider) to be okay espresso, I get good crema.
Hi Ben, Thanks for the question. Any chance you are using a pressurized filter basket for espresso? Grind size is always critical when making espresso but far less so if using a pressurized basket at the expense of espresso quality. Pressurized filter baskets fake the crema to some extent by pushing the espresso thru one tiny hole. As it exits the hole pressure is rapidly released which causes bubbles to come out of solution producing a pseudo crema. It gives the look but's somewhat different than crema produced from extraction using standard non-pressurized filter basket.
Marc
Whole Latte Love thanks for the reply. No it’s not a pressurised filter. I mean I say it’s good espresso, you may say otherwise haha but if I was you I’d try and pull a shot on the finest setting and see what you think. I know it’s a little fast but it’ll do for me. Thanks again mate
Glad I looked up a video on the GVX2. The coarsest grind looks to fine for a french press. Am I right?
Yes.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the review! Was about to make a purchase decision for GVX2 to use with french press. But grind size doesn't look very useful.
Im curious to know for both machines, do the hopper provides seal? Like is it ok for me to leave the beans in the hopper for a long time?
Hi Haziq, Thanks for the question. The hoppers have lids but not exactly an air tight seal. I would not leave beans in the hopper for a long time. Depends how critical you are but I'd recommend only loading with what you'd use in a day.
Marc
If you are on a budget, the way to go is a blade grinder. What you said about a blade grinder depends on which one.
Hey alan, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Unfortunately I've yet to find a blade grinder capable of producing a reasonably consistent grind size.
Hi sir please i would like to take ur advice regarding the burr grinder (kitchenAid ) KCG0702ER , it’s pretty pricy but i dunno if it’s good for espresso or no , cuz i have noticed there are just 8 degrees to get the finest shape ! , while my krups gvx2 has 17 degrees and still can’t get espresso degree ?
Hi AE, I have not used that kitchen aid grinder. I'm skeptical in its ability to grind for espresso with so few grind size settings yet claims to grind from espresso through to coarse for press coffee.
Marc
I have a breville barista mini and i don t know what coffe grinder should i buy. I need to grind for espresso. This krups are good for me? Thanks
Hi IV, Thanks for the question. Your espresso maker uses a pressurized filter basket which at s light expense to finished espresso quality is forgiving of less than perfect grind size. You do want a very fine grind with a consistency near table salt. The Krups could get you there but my favorite for your situation is the Capresso Infinity: www.wholelattelove.com/products/capresso-infinity-plus-conical-burr-coffee-grinder-in-black
Hope that helps!
Marc
Can these make espresso ground
Hi Ek, Not a good choice for espresso grinding. Might get away with it in a pressurized filter basket but espresso quality suffers.
Marc
Can I do french press with GVX212? You said it wasn't really coarse even in the all the way coarse setting
This was an great video. Can I use this to grind Japanese green tea?
Hi AB, Thanks for the comment. Honestly do not know about grinding tea as I've never tried. Sorry!
Marc
Hi, Thanks for your Video. I have the GVX2 Grinder which I use on the finest setting for my Delonghi E220 Espresso Machine, modified with a Bottomless filter. You said that you wouldn't use the above grinders for espresso because you would want a finer grind. However, I find that if I tamp a little too hard my machine has trouble pushing the coffee through the filter. Does this mean that my 15Bars Delonghi isn't really powerful enough ? If I could go finer, I don't think my machine would be capable of pushing the coffee through the filter? I have heard that 15Bars is more than you really need? Any ideas please ? Thank You.
Hi Bret, You are welcome. 15bar is more than you want or need. Espresso brewing should happen at 8-9bar. Manufacturers use the more is better approach in marketing brewing pressure - especially in entry-level/economy machines designed to work with pressurized filter baskets. Can the pump put out 15 bar? Maybe. In most cases actually brewing at 15bar would cause a serious over-extraction and a rather bitter cup. In higher level machines you will find OPV valves (over pressure relief) set to limit brewing pressure to 9-10bar max even though the pumps in these machines can put out a lot more pressure. I do not know if the E220 uses any type of over pressure relief. I'd also be very surprised if it actually generated 15bar of pressure at the portafilter. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it did 9bar. Reason being the machine is designed to work with a pressurized filter basket. In normal operation of this type of machine it's the tiny hole in the filter basket that causes the pressure to build up and not the coffee puck. It's possible your machine is choking on the fine grind as it's not getting up to that 8-9 bar of pressure at the PF. I don't know this for sure however. Only way to find out is to put a pressure measuring device on a portafilter connected to the machine. We have Scace devices we use to setup prosumer level machines that does just that. Looks like this: www.espressoparts.com/scace-2-espresso-machine-thermofilter-temperature-pressure-device
We do not have a Scace device that fits the smaller group heads on machines like yours so can't measure.
As for the grinder... It's possible your grinder can go fine enough to choke your machine. Question is: is it choking because the grind is so fine or because it's not getting up to a typical brewing pressure? I may have oversimplified my comments with regards to grind size in the video. The real problems with this type of grinder for espresso are the lack of fine control of grind size, and variation of particle size due to a very small burr set. If this type of grinder worked well for espresso a lot more people would be using it with more expensive machines.
All that said, you have modified your PF to brew with a non-pressurized filter basket. We know users do this. But honestly, the machine was designed to brew with pressurized baskets. While it's possible to use non-pressurized baskets and have some success it's difficult at best and outside of how the machine was designed to operate.
Hi Mark, Thank You so much for your quick reply and for taking up your valuable time to explain things so clearly for me.
I am persevering with the non-pressurized filter and it is working very well even though I know my Machine is not designed for it.
This morning I released some of the pressure by turning the frother knob slightly while pulling a shot and letting some water go out through the frother tube into a cup at the side. And you are right, less pressure does make nicer coffee. (less bitter). I think it also helped it not to spatter, so I quickly had a nice steady, single stream of coffee from the centre of the filter going into the cup.
Although I understand that my budget machine is extremely unlikely to be giving the correct Pressure or even Temperature to make coffee as good as it should be made, God willing, one day I will be able to get a good quality Conical grinder and a more refined Espresso Machine now that I've learned more about it from your videos and others on youtube, ( I'd like to try some top quality Beans as well - any recommendations ?).
But for now, by God's grace I am getting away with a lot I think, and making some lovely Cappuccinos at home with some modest art on top too. :) Thanks again Mark. So pleased to read your reply.
Bret. London UK
Hi Bret, You are welcome. Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm like you - don't mind hacking a bit to save some money! But in espresso there's only so far you can go until you just need the better control of variables that a more capable machine and grinder will give you. For beans, I personally enjoy 2 very different types. For straight espresso my favorites are high altitude, single origin, medium roast which are very fresh - within a few weeks from roast. There's an incredible diversity of flavor. I've had good ones from Kenya, Papua New Guinea and Peru to name a few regions. I like the high altitude coffee for it's bright (acidic) flavors. I also enjoy Italian style bean blends. With these freshness is IMO not a big deal so long as beans are stored properly. I typically use these in flat whites (wet capp). My favorite in this class is Maromas Orphea which contains a good variety of the often maligned Robusta bean. Not sure if Maromas is available in the UK - but guessing it probably is by mail. After that an old standby is Lavazza Top Class. Again I'd usually not drink this as straight espresso but I do like it in a latte - especially when pulled a little long, say 35 sec from first drip for 2oz/60ml from a 17-18 gram dose.
Thanks again Mark. I have to admit a lot of the enjoyment I have had comes from 'Hacking and Modding my Delonghi' LOL. I might make a youtube video of my set up when I get the best results.
I have seen other hacks of my Delonghi which haven't gone as far as what I am doing, but it got me started in moving away from 'Pressurized Filters' and I haven't looked back. I look forward to exploring some of these Beans that you've kindly recommended. Thank You. The easiest for me to try will be the Lavazza Top Class. I'll make some Cappuccinos and Lattes and let you know how I like them. At the moment I am 'cheaping out' on Taylors Rich Italian Beans which I like above the others I've tried to date. Bfn Bret UK (Novice ) :)
Hi Bret, Let me know if you like the Lavazza. Would love to see a video!
I am divided on this one. I have had some great long lasting products from krups but my espresso maker xp5020 is not one of them. It is easy to use and makes OK coffee but it doesn't last, specially because they stop making parts after less than 7 years.
Another thing, when I use medium ground coffee I got nice results and can tamp the coffee to give it pressure but when I trine fine ground coffee I can't seem to tamp it. I press it hard and it sort of comes back to here it started and it produces coffee with no crema.
I am using a non pressurised basket, one of those slightly conic ones. Any ideas why this happens?
Hi DPM, No crema can be either the coffee or the grind. If coffee is a known cream producer then the advice is to grind finer. If your basket has a conical look I'm guessing it's a single shot basket. Very difficult to produce good single shots on some home equipment.
See the Americas Tesat Kitchen video on blade and burr grinders. The Krups at $18.00 works fine.
okay
Marc implies in this video (and I've noticed the same thing in other videos as well) that flat burrs are in general inferior to conical burrs. Can you clarify why? Note that the Baratza actually start their line with conical burrs, then switch to flat burrs in the more expensive ones (Vario, Forte), which would imply the opposite. I have both kinds (Vario - flat; Smart Grinder - conical) and I think flat burrs produce more consistent particle size, but they grind much slower.
+ascosta I think you are referring to my comment: "In a slightly more expensive grinder you're going to get a conical burr." The key part of that comment is the "...slightly more expensive" part. As you said Baratza grinders start with a conical burr. Least expensive Baratza is slightly more expensive than these Krups grinders. Note that these Krups grinders use very small flat burrs which spin at high rpm. For general purpose grinding (not espresso) in lower cost grinders a conical burr gives more grinding surface area. Strictly my opinion but conical burrs in grinders like the lower cost Baratza grinders produce a more uniform particle size in medium to coarse grind sizes. For espresso grinding it's a different story. Very small flat burrs like in the Krups do not produce good results. Larger conical burrs do a better job and larger flat burrs at lower rpms like in Vario/Forte or Rocky and MDF are even better. My personal favorite and go to espresso grinder is the Ceado E37s. It has large flat burrs, sealed adjustment thread, easy cleaning without re-calibration and the upper burr is locked in place rather than riding on springs.
If you buy an espresso machine with a pressurised filter basket would these grinders be good for espresso then?
Hi Jose, Not the best choice as repetitive grinding for espresso will stress these grinders. If looking for lower cost grinder for use with pressurized filter basket only have a look at the Baratza Encore: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-encore-conical-burr-grinder
Marc
Thank you, sir, for the demonstration.
Very welcome
Hi, I have delonghi ec685, and i am looking for budgetary grinder to make nice latte, with espresso. so is this Krups KRP GVX242 is good chooise ? I am investigating this for a long time but still couldn't find something reasonable price for espresso grinding. Thanks a lot
Hi G, Thanks for the question. It can work for brewing in a pressurized basket machine like yours. Not recommended for standard non-pressurized filter basket extractions.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks a lot
Hi Marc, do you think the coarsest grind on the GVX212 is good for V60? Thanks in advance!
Hi Pedro, Yes.
Marc
I almost purchased the GVX2 , but need a grinder that will produce a powder for Turkish coffee.
And is available in the UK.
What are your thoughts please?
Krups GVX231 or Delonghi KG89? Which one is better?
Hi JJ, I'd go with the Delonghi.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc
Which are better for espresso, gvx2, encore, or bcg? I use for manual, such as rok presso or cafflano compresso.
Of those 3 I'd go with the BGC.
Marc
Hello Marc, would you recommend budget electric grinders, like these, or a manual grinder like the Hario Skerton? Here their prices does not have that much big of a difference. thank you in advance! :)
Chie Parras Hi, the Hario is kind of a pain to use and has a wobbly shaft leading to some variation in grind size. My favorite manual is the ROK www.wholelattelove.com/the-rok-coffee-grinder
Best hand grinder for the money. If you prefer electric these are okay entry level products
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks so much for the reply and the tip :)
Hi there!! I am thinking about buying Krups GVX grinder. I make my coffee using an Italian coffee maker, is this machine appropiate to grind my coffee? Thanks in advance
Hi GSdV, Thanks for the question. If you are referring to a moka pot as your Italian coffee maker the GVX can grind fine enough. It's not exactly fast at that grind size and the grinds are a little clumpy but it will work.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage yes, I refer to a moka pot. It's the first coffee grinder I'm buying, so I don't need it to be superb, I just want to make a coffee with freshly grinded beans in my moka pot to get a better coffee. Cheers for your advice!! Happy holidays and new year!!
Happy New Year to you as well! It's a good choice for a first grinder. Do understand it is an appliance grade grinder so if you like the fresh grinding you will most likely be replacing it in the future.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Cheers!! Any advice for my future grinder?
@@guillesolano8 One step up is the Baratza Encore: www.wholelattelove.com/baratza-encore-conical-burr-grinder It's still appliance grade but far better build quality. To get into a machine grade grinder prices go up quick! First entry in the category is the Rancilio Rocky: www.wholelattelove.com/rancilio-rocky-doserless-coffee-grinder
Cheers!
Is it better to use this grinder or pre-ground for espresso?
This grinder would be better than pre-ground. But we only recommend this level of grinder for espresso if you are pulling shots with a pressurized filter basket in your machine. These are the type found on most entry level espresso machines. These grinders will not do well when using standard non-pressurized filter baskets. Those require more finesse of particle size to produce good espresso.
I think about buying Krups XP5620! Would that be a good combo?
Fairly certain that Krups model uses the smaller pressurized filter baskets - we do not carry that model. But all other Krups machines do use them so you should be good.
Ok thanks for the info. Keep up the good work! :)
We will!
Hello! In the GVX212, which fineness setting would you put it on for moka preparations? Also, is it really not good enough for espresso preparations? Thank you!
Hi AW, Thanks for the question. Hard to say exactly but you will want it close to the finest setting. You want a grind that's a bit finer than granulated sugar. If you find your moka prep is too bitter use a slightly coarser grind. As for espresso... Problem with these grinders for espresso is lack of precise grind size control. Very small changes in grind size can have big impact on espresso extraction.
Marc
I see.. Thank you for the very informative reply Marc :)
NP
Whole Latte Love Hi, Marc. What about Flair presso? Can I make a tasty cup of espresso produced by GVX2? 🙏🏽
Hi, Marc, I really need a final piece of advise on buying one of these grinders.
I use Hario manual grinder for getting espresso on my machine which is a cheap local brand and I have been able to get decent shots of espresso despite its limitation in terms of temperature control. But some times I find the finest setting of Hario ginder too fine or course probably depending on the moisture in air or roast levels. As we all all know one of the most important and first factor for espresso is a fine and consistent grind size no matter how good or cheap an espresso machine is.
So, what I want to ask you is that before I think of ugrading my machine, if I were to upgrade my coffee grinder in a more budget friendly way, would GVX212 be better than a Hario manual grinder to get more flexibility in terms of finness and consistent grind size for home espresso?
Thanks.
Hi SK, While these grinders can do espresso grinding I only recommend them for use with machines using pressurized filter baskets which are forgiving of slightly off grind size. They may do a little better than the Hario but not much. One big problem with using a Hario for espresso is the wobble in the shaft of the grinder. That allows the spacing to change between the burrs while grinding.
So how loud is the GVX2?
Hi Oinc, I'd say it's average. Similar in noise level to other grinders in this price range. If looking for a grinder of this type/level that's a little quieter than most check out the Capresso Infinity. It's probably the most respected grinder in this class: www.wholelattelove.com/jura-capresso-infinity-burr-grinder-stainless-steel-abs-plastic-finish
It costs a little more but it's worth it. A gear reduction system results in lower RPM and more torque than the Krups.
Krups gvx doesn't make fine enough for espresso. İf you are using dual wall basket its ok but with bottomless portafilter, the result will be horrible. İ figured it out that it was because of the grind size. İ am crushing the coffee a bit after the grind
Edit: I just hacked this machine.
If you broke the grind size mill on the left, it grinds even Turkish coffee and it works perfectly. Just broke the mill push it down, reverse clockwise until it breaks 😀👍
Btw don't run it long it's getting hot
The krups gvx2 grinder u have sucks... Coarse grind gives u a few tbsp of fine powder even on coarse... So it no good for perculators or presses .great review....
Hi m, Thank you for the comment and sharing your experience!
Marc
Oh, hi mark
Oh hi Joe! LOL my kids say "Oh hi Marc" to me all the time! Have not watched the Room all the way through yet but did watch the Disaster Artist a copuple days ago.Marc
Burrs flying very very fast BECAUSE THERE WERE NO BEANS IN THERE!
But Krups gvx2 is not ceramic
So, respectfully, when doing reviews of various things, its' best to start with an overview of the products and not just start disassembling one to show some detail. Start with the big picture!
Epic fails from Germany))