I always liked this scene. Pinhead in essence is protecting Tiffany; there are rules to follow. Tiffany didn't desire to open the box - she was doing so at the behest of Channard who was abusing her abilities, and Pinhead recognises this. Under the rules therefore, Tiffany must not be harmed!
Tiffany is to be harmed but only once she matures. The unspoken code hints more at conscious awareness and accountability. It is fully within an adult's responsibility to understand their own darkness. Ironic that most avoid this for most of their lives. Your deathbed is NOT the place where you want your shadow work to begin. Just saying. Fans that witness some sort of Justice here fail to understand Barker's intent. These beings and this realm are beyond good and evil. It is an endless maze of torments and darkness. Everything that it comes in contact with, it looks to envelop, indiscriminately. Similar to the Jehovah-Ra collective. It's only goal to consume souls much like a venus fly trap. Tiffany will be claimed by Leviathan in the end.
@@tailong9548 I politely disagree. There is even a bit in the opening chapter of the book where Pinhead warns the Frank when he has opened the box that should he choose to proceed forward to pursue his "pleasure", there will be no going back. "Are you sure you want this?" he asks Frank - essentially giving him one final chance to turn back. Frank of course declines, and then once Pinhead starts his work, he very quickly regrets his decision. It seems to be at least as of there is a form of limits, an unknown code perhaps. But that's just my opinion :)
They didn't have humanity. They had sensibility. They didn't spare Tiffany because she was innocent, but because she genuinely had no desire to explore the puzzle.
Until Hellraiser III, the Cenobites used to be human, including Pinhead (he was Captain Elliot Spencer). Before Dr. Channard (as a Cenobite) bloodily kills them, Kirsty Cotten reminds them that they were once human, therefor having humanity. The pinhead in Hellraiser III consisted of the plain leftovers of the excess "Evil" that Elliot had grown, and that is another story. So yes, I believe Pinhead in Hellraiser II was part Elliot Spencer, and before he was exposed as "once human" had at least some empathy. -Including the decision not to kill the girl. Pinhead in hellraiser III wouldn't of only killed her, but enjoyed it at the same time.
I suppose u could argue that kirsty technically did have desire in calling them down to her morbid curiosity of what the box is, what it does and why frank was so protective over it
Kristy unknowingly did what she did...... Hands and curious hands called them in the first movie. What Pinhead meant by desire called them meaning Dr. Channards desire of wanting the box opened called them.
Because Kirsty had desire. Desire to solve the puzzle box and understand what Frank and Julia were up to. But also desire for her own pleasure (the film does portray her as someone about to get sexual with her boyfriend Steve). Kirsty didn't know about the Cenobites, but she had everything "in her" to be a perfect recipient for their twisted dogma. Tiffany, on the other hand, was pure and innocent.
@@illiteratealphabetagency9716 It's the best movie hands down, even the 2022 Hellraiser remake took notes on this film the most. There is no better Hellraiser film that supercedes Hellbound: Hellraiser 2.
Are you serious? The Remake made the Cenobites worse. Far from being amoralistic heralds of infernal pleasures to those that seek it, the new box apparently can simply transfer the Cenobite's target to anyone by just stabbing them. That removes all complexity, the villain (or anybody really) can easily solve the box (wear chainmail gloves or something) and just stab anyone with it. This negates their purpose to bring pleasure and pain *only to those that seek it* , as OG Pinhead mentions "it is not hands that call us, but desire". They dove even deeper into the "they're now just common slasher villains" instead of being rather complex horror icons that they started as.
@@deeya yes. And also the new cenobites look like rubber suits, they look too fake, too clean, they're supposed to have open wounds but there's no blood and the skin looks like rubber, they're so lame compared to the originals. And the filter they used makes them look like a video game, it doesn't look realistic.
The line makes sense though. Pinhead is saying Tiffany physically solving the puzzle isn't what called them, it was someone else's desire, Channard's. But they mistakenly believed it was Kirsty.
They would've taken her despite her innocence. So long as she was CURIOUS, she would've been subject to their torment but since she was misled and didn't understand the box, they set her aside and sought the one who DESIRED the box.
@NocturneSoul true...but has nothing to do with "hands" as the Hellpriest ('Pinhead') says here - it's about the *conscious DESIRE to want to "explore" what the box is about etc Channard (and Julia) manipulated these events and 'Pinhead' at least sensed that, even if he couldn't pinpoint exactly WHO it was (why he assumed it was Kirsty later on)
Disagree. Tiffany is clearly portrayed as someone stunted. Solving puzzles is her coping mechanism. Innocence had nothing to do with Pinhead sparring here. It is the lack of deeper understanding and the fact she was just a tool for Doctor to summon them. Her hands did the deed on someone elses wishes od desires if you will
Film 1 and 2 the cenobites are cold and come for the ones opening the box looking for the ultimate pleasure. From film 3 they just go apeshit. Not What its supposed to be. Totally wrong
the movie looks that much better, pretty amazing! It was already great but now the sights are 10 times more terrifying.
I always liked this scene. Pinhead in essence is protecting Tiffany; there are rules to follow. Tiffany didn't desire to open the box - she was doing so at the behest of Channard who was abusing her abilities, and Pinhead recognises this. Under the rules therefore, Tiffany must not be harmed!
Tiffany is to be harmed but only once she matures.
The unspoken code hints more at conscious awareness and accountability.
It is fully within an adult's responsibility to understand their own darkness. Ironic that most avoid this for most of their lives.
Your deathbed is NOT the place where you want your shadow work to begin. Just saying.
Fans that witness some sort of Justice here fail to understand Barker's intent.
These beings and this realm are beyond good and evil. It is an endless maze of torments and darkness. Everything that it comes in contact with, it looks to envelop, indiscriminately.
Similar to the Jehovah-Ra collective. It's only goal to consume souls much like a venus fly trap.
Tiffany will be claimed by Leviathan in the end.
@@tailong9548 I politely disagree. There is even a bit in the opening chapter of the book where Pinhead warns the Frank when he has opened the box that should he choose to proceed forward to pursue his "pleasure", there will be no going back. "Are you sure you want this?" he asks Frank - essentially giving him one final chance to turn back. Frank of course declines, and then once Pinhead starts his work, he very quickly regrets his decision.
It seems to be at least as of there is a form of limits, an unknown code perhaps. But that's just my opinion :)
What the hell! we only asked her to tidy her room in case we have visitors : {
Well technically she did have visitors.
But we didn't expect these...kind of visitors
They pardoned her. It shows the original Cenobites had enough humanity to spare her. Pinhead was pure evil in Hellraiser III.
They didn't have humanity. They had sensibility.
They didn't spare Tiffany because she was innocent, but because she genuinely had no desire to explore the puzzle.
He was there to turn up the volume in Hellraiser III
They have rules, not humanity. They're lawful evil, unlike most slasher monsters.
Until Hellraiser III, the Cenobites used to be human, including Pinhead (he was Captain Elliot Spencer). Before Dr. Channard (as a Cenobite) bloodily kills them, Kirsty Cotten reminds them that they were once human, therefor having humanity. The pinhead in Hellraiser III consisted of the plain leftovers of the excess "Evil" that Elliot had grown, and that is another story. So yes, I believe Pinhead in Hellraiser II was part Elliot Spencer, and before he was exposed as "once human" had at least some empathy. -Including the decision not to kill the girl. Pinhead in hellraiser III wouldn't of only killed her, but enjoyed it at the same time.
The third and later movies are so far removed from the story these creatures were based on it is a travesty.
Tiffany opens THE BOX.
Why did they go after Kirsty in the first one if desire summons them?
I suppose u could argue that kirsty technically did have desire in calling them down to her morbid curiosity of what the box is, what it does and why frank was so protective over it
Kristy unknowingly did what she did...... Hands and curious hands called them in the first movie. What Pinhead meant by desire called them meaning Dr. Channards desire of wanting the box opened called them.
Because Kirsty had desire.
Desire to solve the puzzle box and understand what Frank and Julia were up to.
But also desire for her own pleasure (the film does portray her as someone about to get sexual with her boyfriend Steve).
Kirsty didn't know about the Cenobites, but she had everything "in her" to be a perfect recipient for their twisted dogma.
Tiffany, on the other hand, was pure and innocent.
Cause it said so in the script
Compared to the first, this movie is really fleshed out better . . . giggity . . . . a real cut above.
@@illiteratealphabetagency9716 It's the best movie hands down, even the 2022 Hellraiser remake took notes on this film the most. There is no better Hellraiser film that supercedes Hellbound: Hellraiser 2.
@@kristophermeharg7048 Very true. Hellbound is the best.
1,2,4 and the remake are the best ones😊
What Is The Light For.
@@attilaamihan6196 Which movie?
The remake was so bad 🤦🏻♂️
Are you serious? The Remake made the Cenobites worse.
Far from being amoralistic heralds of infernal pleasures to those that seek it, the new box apparently can simply transfer the Cenobite's target to anyone by just stabbing them. That removes all complexity, the villain (or anybody really) can easily solve the box (wear chainmail gloves or something) and just stab anyone with it. This negates their purpose to bring pleasure and pain *only to those that seek it* , as OG Pinhead mentions "it is not hands that call us, but desire". They dove even deeper into the "they're now just common slasher villains" instead of being rather complex horror icons that they started as.
@@deeya yes. And also the new cenobites look like rubber suits, they look too fake, too clean, they're supposed to have open wounds but there's no blood and the skin looks like rubber, they're so lame compared to the originals. And the filter they used makes them look like a video game, it doesn't look realistic.
God bless Nailhead
Pinnnhead
Great movie
1:43 - the line should’ve been, “It is not innocence that calls us; it is desire.”
The line makes sense though. Pinhead is saying Tiffany physically solving the puzzle isn't what called them, it was someone else's desire, Channard's. But they mistakenly believed it was Kirsty.
They would've taken her despite her innocence. So long as she was CURIOUS, she would've been subject to their torment but since she was misled and didn't understand the box, they set her aside and sought the one who DESIRED the box.
The box was solved by her hands
@NocturneSoul true...but has nothing to do with "hands" as the Hellpriest ('Pinhead') says here - it's about the *conscious DESIRE to want to "explore" what the box is about etc
Channard (and Julia) manipulated these events and 'Pinhead' at least sensed that, even if he couldn't pinpoint exactly WHO it was (why he assumed it was Kirsty later on)
Disagree. Tiffany is clearly portrayed as someone stunted. Solving puzzles is her coping mechanism. Innocence had nothing to do with Pinhead sparring here. It is the lack of deeper understanding and the fact she was just a tool for Doctor to summon them. Her hands did the deed on someone elses wishes od desires if you will
Film 1 and 2 the cenobites are cold and come for the ones opening the box looking for the ultimate pleasure. From film 3 they just go apeshit. Not What its supposed to be. Totally wrong
That girl looks like Brad Pitt !