Let's stop and honor and appreciate the firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks great job great catches as usual still going strong way to go great looking tower very impressed buy them a soda or something they deserve alot of credit you guys rock thanks ! Joe
Keep in mind that tiller is anywhere from 3-6’ longer even taking the basket into consideration. This is why I hate the rear mount with a basket it’s like driving around with a Prius hanging in front of you.
I'm sorry but if I look at this it is just a pure design flaw. European turntable ladders are all rear-mounts, they're a lot shorter, newer ones have rear axle steering and the ladder is placed at the very rear. The one in the video at least is wasting a ton of space by having the ladder mounted so far in front.
Thats only because American Companys who build those Tower Trucks with Baskets still dont use and build collapsible Baskets, like the Rest of the World uses them ( and especially Companys like Rosenbauer and Metz are building them since over 20 Years now) Example for a New L32 XS3 from Rosenbauer for a Fire Department called Mori here in Germany(You can watch it without the annoying Music): ua-cam.com/video/pmCLMGZmGcw/v-deo.html&ab_channel=FeuerwehrMori I know that there are Difference for the use of those Things between America and the Rest of the World, but there should be a Reason why those Designs are worldwide used, while America is still the only Country ( there are some poorer Countrys that also dont have such good Equipment but that is something different) who uses Ladder Trucks like in this Video.
They make it look so efftorsly great looking tower like the style way to go your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard love you guys job well done you should be amazed and proud way to go ! Joe
1st truck made it look harder than it was. Could've pushed through those branches with the basket. The property owner would've sued because, well, Murica.
If your going to do a comparison test don't fake it. There was plenty of street left to go forward when the platform started its turn. I'm not saying it would have made it, but at least give it a fair shot.
I'd still rather work from a platform rather than a straight stick. I love the look of a rear mount platform but a mid mount platform is the better choice. You don't have to worry about tree branches , low wires and better visibility.
So we set up the platform in a turn it shouldn’t have been driven through. Go down an intersection where there is no tree. Know your territory. There are huge advantages to having a bucket, water, and pump. Both have their uses. It does not have to be one over the other.
How high do both ladders go? I would have loved an European ladder truck in comparison, too. They seem significantly shorter than the first truck, e.g. the basket is folded and takes less space in front of the drive
Well, in germany our ladders are a lot more compact but taller anyways (That doesn’t mean your equipment is trash, every firefighter is doing a great job!). That’s why we don’t have these problems with turns like that
Yes, your Ladder Trucks _are_ a lot more compact and some reach a lot higher, which can be quite advantageous. But I believe that most are typically staffed by only 2 people. And to the best of my knowledge they aren't utilized as "rolling toolboxes" like many of the Ladder Trucks here in the States. This is in no way a criticism, I'm just pointing reasons for the difference in the size. I am most familiar with the FDNY here in NYC, and all of their 143 Ladder Companies are staffed with 6 people, including the Company Officer. And the assigned duties of Ladder Companies ("Truck Companies") are many. In addition to laddering they perform forcible entry, ventilation, search & rescue, overhaul, securing of gas, electric and water utilities, vehicle extrications, operating elevator emergencies, etc., etc. Therefore they are obliged to carry many tools, thus necessitating a lot more space on their trucks. Back in the 1960s the FDNY purchased two 144' Magirus ladders and they were mounted to a Mack chassis. High Ladder 1 & High Ladder 2. Ultimately it was decided to remain with using 100' aerials.
@@azul8811 yup, everything of what youve said is 100% true. Our ladders are staffed with 2 or 3 people. There are some with 6 people too, but especially at airports or big chemical industries. In Germany for equipment we have the „rüstwagen“ which can be translated as „equipment truck“. These badboys are filled with tons of equipment. Thanks for your very detailed comment, I really appreciate that! It’s always super interesting to talk about fire services all around the world as there are so many differences in tactics, equipment etc.
@@azul8811 A very well put and detailed comment, I would like to add though that your US ladder companies act in a similar way to our (UK) Pump (Or as you would call them engines) do, our pumps carry vehicle extrication, a small amount of water and rope rescue equipment, Ventilation, general tools, medical supplies and backboards etc. I believe that the system of using the pump as the all round tool for the job is best as you rarely need a large Turntable Ladder or ALP on a generic call. This is why where I live in the UK our pumps at the main stations are crewed 24/7 by people there at the station, the second pump or ALP is crewed by retained staff (Retained meaning on call with a pager), This system enables most calls to be attended by a small, nimble and compact apparatus with most equipment to deal with the most common calls; All our specialist units where I am are on retained crewing ( Technical rescue, Water rescue, ALP, Breathing Apparatus support and Incident command units). Also, certain units that are only used on the rare occasion are on prime movers, These vehicles are ones which can change which vehicle they are with a sort of roll on-roll off system, The pods which attach to these prime movers are USAR (Urban Search and Rescue), HVP (High Volume Pump), Hose layers and Hazmat/CBRNE units.
Great looking tower like the style your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks to everyone who responds keep them safe out there job well done you should be proud love respect and appreciate you guys thanks great catch as usual ! Joe
which conveniently got moved between takes. Don't get me wrong, I see the advantages. But fair is fair. Would have had to get out while on that line with the tractor drawn and move the can.... or tap it and roll on an emergent call
Just go left over the grass aiming for the left of the porch (?) and there will be no problem, Some lawn versus getting to the emergency is no contest. Love both the platform and tiller.
Not to brag but our 21 year old 105’ Quint has Pierce All Steer and has put the local tiller company to shame many times with our ability to turn and get positioning.
Love All Steer to death. Our 105’ Rear Mount Straight Stick Quint has gotten into positions the local tiller company could only dream of and its 21 years old. We still get special requested every few years just for the All Steer.
They could’ve just cut through the grass. They had so much clearance on the left before the pole. 0:07 You guys may worry about grass or property but in an emergency, saving lives matters more. Operating an emergency vehicle, I know my rig’s limitation and what it can do.
You go on grass and this thing will sink like a rock. What is the weight of a truck like that? The weight bearing of wet grass is about 2 tons, dry grass can be anything up to 10 tons. Forget leaving the tarmac if you don't want to get stuck. Maybe you should build smaller rigs as we do in Europe....
Comes down to money not safety and easiest! Ladder truck 500k-750k, tiller truck 1-1.5 million dollars! Politicians only see money not safety. I think you can take NYC as an example but don’t quote me on that since I haven’t done the research but I believe they had more tillers until the 80’s-90’s. Then budget cuts’
Ladder trucks start at around $800K. Tillers start at a cool $1M. A Pierce Ascendent 100' on a single axle would of made that turn easily. And no I don't work for Pierce.
Like the rigid would even do that duri g real emergency!!!! It would just go round the corner and take out a tree and the bin!!............who makes up this shit?
The reason american truck's are bigger, because it's a all in one system. Instead of having truck with less storage. Plus that rig isn't old. That's very much new
@@subjectc7505 dutch trucks has also everything all in one system. Watch the speed of american fire truck. it doesn't even progress. Until that bulky truck arrives at 911 emergency call, people have already died.
@@aliciastam8122 American fire trucks carry tools as well. From what I've seen from the other European commenters, European trucks need an entire extra truck just for the tools. I'm guessing American firefighters decided it was faster for them to bring their equipment on the same truck as themselves.
Haha! Looks like Tiller is slightly panicking because the platform type trucks are in every other way superior compared to these old fashioned ladder thingies you guys still use in the US. The rest of the World is laughing at you and your ladder trucks 🤣 And you can also buy platform trucks with a steering rear axle to avoid this problem pictured in the video. ua-cam.com/video/zd6SwlR5-As/v-deo.html
It's stupid ad. In Europe, where we have in some places even narrower streets than this, we got normal platform fire trucks, and I don't see any problems.
We have had to back up on narrow streets in our district several times with our ladder. Our city finally got two tillers for this exact same reason and our rear mount platform is going away for a pierce ascendant 100’ mid mount platform.
staged? going to a job? it was a side by side comparison as to the turning capabilities or lack thereof of each one. and i can guarantee you had no one got out and spotted the driver backing up in this video people like you would have scorched it! you know, being the social justice warrior you are and all.
This is total horseshit. The fact the Rigid has a huge basket overhang isn't really a fair comparison. Use one without that overhang and they are far better than Tillers. As much as I love Tillers they are crap at some jobs, and vice versa
Let's stop and honor and appreciate the firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks great job great catches as usual still going strong way to go great looking tower very impressed buy them a soda or something they deserve alot of credit you guys rock thanks ! Joe
Platform: struggles to get around corner
Tiller: *hold my beer*
True though. XD
The tiller makes it look so easy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tiller doesn't "make it look easy"...its the truth
But it can't put out a fire. I has to have help doubling the cost to the taxpayers.
@@j81870 yes it can if you put a pump on it
The perks of having driving wheels at both ends.
@joe ain’t gonna be no fire if they have to back up and turn every time they make more than a 90 degree angle
Keep in mind that tiller is anywhere from 3-6’ longer even taking the basket into consideration. This is why I hate the rear mount with a basket it’s like driving around with a Prius hanging in front of you.
Always loved trying to see the traffic light change, especially if it's a smaller intersection and you're the first row.
I personally am more of a fan of mid mount towers
I'm sorry but if I look at this it is just a pure design flaw. European turntable ladders are all rear-mounts, they're a lot shorter, newer ones have rear axle steering and the ladder is placed at the very rear. The one in the video at least is wasting a ton of space by having the ladder mounted so far in front.
@Friendly Polar Bear You do realize Was talking about the same ladder size though?
Thats only because American Companys who build those Tower Trucks with Baskets still dont use and build collapsible Baskets, like the Rest of the World uses them ( and especially Companys like Rosenbauer and Metz are building them since over 20 Years now)
Example for a New L32 XS3 from Rosenbauer for a Fire Department called Mori here in Germany(You can watch it without the annoying Music): ua-cam.com/video/pmCLMGZmGcw/v-deo.html&ab_channel=FeuerwehrMori
I know that there are Difference for the use of those Things between America and the Rest of the World, but there should be a Reason why those Designs are worldwide used, while America is still the only Country ( there are some poorer Countrys that also dont have such good Equipment but that is something different) who uses Ladder Trucks like in this Video.
This never gets old.
it gets older every day just like everything
My Town needs a tiller😹it's very tight on some streets here
Good looking tower like the style way to go your service is deeply appreciated thanks take best wishes to everyone who responds keep up the good ! Joe
They make it look so efftorsly great looking tower like the style way to go your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard love you guys job well done you should be amazed and proud way to go ! Joe
OK, I'm a big TDA guy but either the crew on the tower was exaggerting to make a point or the operator can;t drive for sh#t.
tiller just finessed that corner
1st truck made it look harder than it was. Could've pushed through those branches with the basket. The property owner would've sued because, well, Murica.
If your going to do a comparison test don't fake it. There was plenty of street left to go forward when the platform started its turn. I'm not saying it would have made it, but at least give it a fair shot.
I'd still rather work from a platform rather than a straight stick. I love the look of a rear mount platform but a mid mount platform is the better choice. You don't have to worry about tree branches , low wires and better visibility.
I was literally just thinking of what the advantages of a TDA vs a typical aerial were aside from storage space... I think UA-cam is reading my mind
So we set up the platform in a turn it shouldn’t have been driven through. Go down an intersection where there is no tree. Know your territory. There are huge advantages to having a bucket, water, and pump. Both have their uses. It does not have to be one over the other.
How high do both ladders go? I would have loved an European ladder truck in comparison, too. They seem significantly shorter than the first truck, e.g. the basket is folded and takes less space in front of the drive
Great looking torew
Is it possible to have a platform arial on a tiller?
Well, in germany our ladders are a lot more compact but taller anyways (That doesn’t mean your equipment is trash, every firefighter is doing a great job!). That’s why we don’t have these problems with turns like that
Yes, your Ladder Trucks _are_ a lot more compact and some reach a lot higher, which can be quite advantageous. But I believe that most are typically staffed by only 2 people. And to the best of my knowledge they aren't utilized as "rolling toolboxes" like many of the Ladder Trucks here in the States. This is in no way a criticism, I'm just pointing reasons for the difference in the size.
I am most familiar with the FDNY here in NYC, and all of their 143 Ladder Companies are staffed with 6 people, including the Company Officer. And the assigned duties of Ladder Companies ("Truck Companies") are many. In addition to laddering they perform forcible entry, ventilation, search & rescue, overhaul, securing of gas, electric and water utilities, vehicle extrications, operating elevator emergencies, etc., etc. Therefore they are obliged to carry many tools, thus necessitating a lot more space on their trucks.
Back in the 1960s the FDNY purchased two 144' Magirus ladders and they were mounted to a Mack chassis. High Ladder 1 & High Ladder 2. Ultimately it was decided to remain with using 100' aerials.
@@azul8811 yup, everything of what youve said is 100% true. Our ladders are staffed with 2 or 3 people. There are some with 6 people too, but especially at airports or big chemical industries. In Germany for equipment we have the „rüstwagen“ which can be translated as „equipment truck“. These badboys are filled with tons of equipment.
Thanks for your very detailed comment, I really appreciate that!
It’s always super interesting to talk about fire services all around the world as there are so many differences in tactics, equipment etc.
@@azul8811 A very well put and detailed comment, I would like to add though that your US ladder companies act in a similar way to our (UK) Pump (Or as you would call them engines) do, our pumps carry vehicle extrication, a small amount of water and rope rescue equipment, Ventilation, general tools, medical supplies and backboards etc. I believe that the system of using the pump as the all round tool for the job is best as you rarely need a large Turntable Ladder or ALP on a generic call. This is why where I live in the UK our pumps at the main stations are crewed 24/7 by people there at the station, the second pump or ALP is crewed by retained staff (Retained meaning on call with a pager), This system enables most calls to be attended by a small, nimble and compact apparatus with most equipment to deal with the most common calls; All our specialist units where I am are on retained crewing ( Technical rescue, Water rescue, ALP, Breathing Apparatus support and Incident command units). Also, certain units that are only used on the rare occasion are on prime movers, These vehicles are ones which can change which vehicle they are with a sort of roll on-roll off system, The pods which attach to these prime movers are USAR (Urban Search and Rescue), HVP (High Volume Pump), Hose layers and Hazmat/CBRNE units.
It’s called NFPA in the USA
sorry, but if it's a fire I'm taking that brush out with that basket
it's not gonna hurt it
That first truck must kill their response times. When making turns like this.
Bravo!
Great looking tower like the style your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks to everyone who responds keep them safe out there job well done you should be proud love respect and appreciate you guys thanks great catch as usual ! Joe
It's not the truck but it's the people
Awesome.
Mad skills..............
What is the title of the music
You should have a mid mount go through it as well.
So much longer yet better at manuaverbility.
But in every other way shittier 🤣 plus you could buy a rear axle steered version instead of a Tiller ladder truck.
Nuf said!
Which platform has the longest ladder?
Most of them have similar length which often from 90-110 feet. Currently about 140 is the tallest.
About 2mm from that dumpster on the right
which conveniently got moved between takes. Don't get me wrong, I see the advantages. But fair is fair. Would have had to get out while on that line with the tractor drawn and move the can.... or tap it and roll on an emergent call
Nobody:
Me: *waiting for the tiller to crash*
Also me: *forgetting that the tilller is unstoppable*
Articulation and 2 points of steering is always going to be more maneuverable
They probably were using this video to justify to their department the higher cost and expense of a tiller.
@L.K.1985 we seem to do ok without those trucks in the UK and Europe, so I'd say the one that is fit for purpose.
wow.
Who else thought that he was going to hit the trash can with teh end of the tiller
On it's face I'm like Tiller truck def won't make it....shows just how important a tiller driver is wow
If you had a mid mount platform you could’ve made it in one shot. Rear mount typically have a longer wheelbase
100% correct. FDNY maneuvers those big Seagrave Aerialscopes through some pretty tight areas just fine.
Drift Tiller.
Tillers are the best.
no shit 3o years on a tiller there great
GG
In Australia we got no tillers, only Ladder Platforms 😂
Ay ahah, makes life easier
How about comparing a rear mount tower to a mid-mount? I bet a mid-mount could make that turn without any issues.
that's what we do.. when you're good at what you do....
Yessir
Fancy
Just go left over the grass aiming for the left of the porch (?) and there will be no problem, Some lawn versus getting to the emergency is no contest. Love both the platform and tiller.
You can’t just go over someone’s front lawn
@@landonroush73_yt62 Actually, it looks like they would be going through the right of way so it is not their lawn.
I’m liking the music more than the video
Not to brag but our 21 year old 105’ Quint has Pierce All Steer and has put the local tiller company to shame many times with our ability to turn and get positioning.
hmmmmmmmm, i can confirm this opinion, perhaps we would be talking about the same truck if you purchased this Pierce used about 7 years ago...
@@cfl941 No we bought ours new
Nice.
Aerial Platform its hard to go
No all steer on the straight truck?
Love All Steer to death. Our 105’ Rear Mount Straight Stick Quint has gotten into positions the local tiller company could only dream of and its 21 years old. We still get special requested every few years just for the All Steer.
They could’ve just cut through the grass. They had so much clearance on the left before the pole. 0:07 You guys may worry about grass or property but in an emergency, saving lives matters more. Operating an emergency vehicle, I know my rig’s limitation and what it can do.
You go on grass and this thing will sink like a rock. What is the weight of a truck like that? The weight bearing of wet grass is about 2 tons, dry grass can be anything up to 10 tons. Forget leaving the tarmac if you don't want to get stuck. Maybe you should build smaller rigs as we do in Europe....
TOKYO DRIFT
Case closed
Maybe dont make them bigger than they need to be, or atleast use steering axles on the rear with the normal rigid..
How are they going to carry everything? That's why ladder truck are big.
Wtf are u staying its a ladder truck it needs to be big 😑
Tower couldve made that turn
Should of Just Went down the straight a way Street to the left so you didn't have to make a left.
Are American streets really designed this poorly? 😬
Try a steerable axle - greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Tower ladders are still better looking
Well damn next thing we’ll see is all fire trucks with rear wheel drive
The tower needs rear steer wheels
Comes down to money not safety and easiest! Ladder truck 500k-750k, tiller truck 1-1.5 million dollars! Politicians only see money not safety. I think you can take NYC as an example but don’t quote me on that since I haven’t done the research but I believe they had more tillers until the 80’s-90’s. Then budget cuts’
Taxpayers usually only see money and not safety too.
NYC is bigger. Also who doesn't like tiller's? It a NYC thing.
Ladder trucks start at around $800K. Tillers start at a cool $1M. A Pierce Ascendent 100' on a single axle would of made that turn easily. And no I don't work for Pierce.
@@subjectc7505 Fdny has plenty of tillers.
Like the rigid would even do that duri g real emergency!!!! It would just go round the corner and take out a tree and the bin!!............who makes up this shit?
why are you using those bulky big old fire trucks? those things are slow and big. take is an example of Dutch fire trucks.
The reason american truck's are bigger, because it's a all in one system. Instead of having truck with less storage. Plus that rig isn't old. That's very much new
@@subjectc7505 dutch trucks has also everything all in one system. Watch the speed of american fire truck. it doesn't even progress. Until that bulky truck arrives at 911 emergency call, people have already died.
@@aliciastam8122 American fire trucks carry tools as well. From what I've seen from the other European commenters, European trucks need an entire extra truck just for the tools. I'm guessing American firefighters decided it was faster for them to bring their equipment on the same truck as themselves.
Or just put rear steering on ladder or stop having hugely oversized trucks lol
Not comparing apples to apples here.
But normally all U.S.A. streets are wide. Now do you see why we use in Europe smaller apparatus.
The ladder could’ve just went on the grass if you ask me
That's a ladder truck, not a tiller.
The first one is what people call "ladder trucks", the second is a tiller truck because IT HAS A TILLER (TRAILER) AND ISN'T JUST ONE FRAME.
Haha! Looks like Tiller is slightly panicking because the platform type trucks are in every other way superior compared to these old fashioned ladder thingies you guys still use in the US. The rest of the World is laughing at you and your ladder trucks 🤣 And you can also buy platform trucks with a steering rear axle to avoid this problem pictured in the video. ua-cam.com/video/zd6SwlR5-As/v-deo.html
It's stupid ad. In Europe, where we have in some places even narrower streets than this, we got normal platform fire trucks, and I don't see any problems.
Did they practice not to hit the garbage can or got extremely lucky.
lmao so staged. no ones getting out to back up the rig going to a job.
We have had to back up on narrow streets in our district several times with our ladder. Our city finally got two tillers for this exact same reason and our rear mount platform is going away for a pierce ascendant 100’ mid mount platform.
Lmao you’re a doofus, Gun Rack. Yes, it happens.
Well of course it’s staged genius it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Yes this time it was staged, but it does happen in real life. Probably a lot on this same exact corner.
staged? going to a job? it was a side by side comparison as to the turning capabilities or lack thereof of each one. and i can guarantee you had no one got out and spotted the driver backing up in this video people like you would have scorched it! you know, being the social justice warrior you are and all.
This is total horseshit. The fact the Rigid has a huge basket overhang isn't really a fair comparison. Use one without that overhang and they are far better than Tillers. As much as I love Tillers they are crap at some jobs, and vice versa
That’s not a tiller
He turn his front wheels to soon left should have gone father to the far side looks like he did purpose
Could of made that turn easily just ain’t got enough driving experience
You must fill out lots of accident reports
Good morning j
I am chief Ale fire department
It's a Ladder truck