The Bernoulli Integral is ridiculous

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  • @SilverLining1
    @SilverLining1 11 місяців тому +407

    WARNING: At 2:40, he replaces a function (e^xlnx) with its taylor series. This only works because the taylor series of e^x converges everywhere, so e^f(x) converges everywhere for all functions f(x). However, if you try to do this with a function whose interval of convergence does not cover the interval of integration, then you end up integrating with the a different function outside the interval of convergence than what you started with

    • @AH-jt6wc
      @AH-jt6wc 2 місяці тому +2

      the exp(x) function diverge when x tend to infinity right ? you said converge everywhere

    • @elquesohombre9931
      @elquesohombre9931 2 місяці тому +9

      @@AH-jt6wcthe Taylor series expansion will converge to the values of exp(x) at any given point. Convergence here is not being used with end behavior in mind.
      There are functions (example: 1/(1+x^2)) that are not analytic and will not converge to the function it is trying to approximate beyond a certain radius. For this particular example, that radius will be 1 given that you use an expansion at the origin, because the series expansion tries to approximate it for all values including the imaginary unit i, and it doesn’t do well with irregularities like dividing by zero.
      exp(x) doesn’t have this issue so the Taylor series expansion will converge to exp(x) rather than being limited by something like the previous example.

  • @imeprezime1285
    @imeprezime1285 Рік тому +863

    The Bernoullis reproduced like rabbits. Should have better studied Fibonacci kind of problems

    • @railx2005
      @railx2005 Рік тому +36

      Goddamn intelligence runs in the family

    • @darkking2436
      @darkking2436 Рік тому +6

      The Fibonacci sequence grows in an exponential order so maybe that's not such a great idea either

    • @bonks4395
      @bonks4395 Рік тому +12

      @@darkking2436 Makes a 69 sort of pattern, so less kids, more fun

    • @combcomclrlsr
      @combcomclrlsr Рік тому +2

      Okay. That was good.

    •  Рік тому +1

      I would have hoped they would have involved more people outside the family when reproducing, than Fibonacci's rabbits did.

  • @bhavesh.adhikari
    @bhavesh.adhikari Рік тому +627

    this professor never lets me stay away from mathematics.

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +99

      math will grip you forever! :D

    • @paulthompson9668
      @paulthompson9668 Рік тому +3

      @@DrTrefor The limit of y=x^x as x approaches 0 is undefined. Doesn't that mean that the integral in your video is undefined?

    • @cnutsiggardason2014
      @cnutsiggardason2014 Рік тому +2

      @@paulthompson9668 plus you only really need it to exist almost everywhere to integrate so having the endpoint undefined doesnt matter

    • @paulthompson9668
      @paulthompson9668 Рік тому +2

      @@cnutsiggardason2014 Is that a rule for integration? I'm not trying to be pedantic, but sometimes a single point matters and sometimes it doesn't.

    • @Unprotected1232
      @Unprotected1232 Рік тому +3

      He will find you and he will math you. There is no escape. Even UA-cam is not safe.

  • @andraspongracz5996
    @andraspongracz5996 Рік тому +368

    At 5:41 when you plug in, you should put e^(-u) in a big pair of parentheses, to emphasize that you execute this exponentiation first, and then raise the result to the power (n+1). The way you wrote it, by convention, means that e is raised to the power (-u)^(n+1), and that is totally different.

    • @mathopo237
      @mathopo237 Рік тому +4

      I was going to write the exact same comment on the exponent. Still good videos though

    • @ES-md1pm
      @ES-md1pm Рік тому +5

      Thanks for pointing out. I was also confused how this could be equal. The quote position is actually not correct.

    • @Inception1338
      @Inception1338 Рік тому

      ​@@amrm155that's like remote punch right into the stomach.

    • @stephenarthurhadley
      @stephenarthurhadley Рік тому +1

      Thanks for pointing this out. I was having the same issue as other people and thought he was doing some ninja math.

    • @bozzigmupp510
      @bozzigmupp510 Рік тому

      @amr m Don't you always write i=0 under the sigma

  • @DrTrefor
    @DrTrefor  Рік тому +221

    TYPO 1: I got a bit silly with whether my index variable is called i or n. It doesn't matter, it just needs to be the same throughout!
    TYPO 2: At 6:30 I use a power rule (a^b)^c=a^(bc). However, I should have make it explicit that there is brackets around all of e^(-u).
    Clarification: The key trick in solving this integral was writing the integrand as a power series and then interchanging the integral and the summation. If the sum of the integral of the absolute value of a sequence of functions converges, then we can do this interchange (this is a consequence of Fubini's Theorem). In our case, the integrands are either all positive or all negative, depending on n, so taking absolute values is equivalent to removing the negative signs in the resulting series which we can show converges via the ratio test. This justifies the interchange.

    • @kasiphia
      @kasiphia Рік тому +2

      Integral of the cube root of tan(x)?

    • @stackalloc7741
      @stackalloc7741 Рік тому +5

      thanks, I was really confused by the second typo.

    • @PrasiddhTrivedi
      @PrasiddhTrivedi Рік тому +4

      ​@@stackalloc7741 me too! I came to the comments to ask precisely that and see it was already clarified.

    • @zhongyuanchen8424
      @zhongyuanchen8424 Рік тому

      You also made use of the fact that the integral over the product measure of a discrete counting measure and a given measure is the same as summing outside of the integral.

  • @jppagetoo
    @jppagetoo Рік тому +122

    Back when I was a math major, we tackled this very integral in one of my advanced calculus courses. After I left college I went into programming. Sadly, I never used much of the math again. So forgive me 40 years of eroded skills. I still love this stuff. Having a strong math backgroud has always served me well.

  • @evansaschow
    @evansaschow Рік тому +165

    I always forget you can’t always swap sums and integrals. My physics profs always just do it without comment

    • @niepowiem5894
      @niepowiem5894 Рік тому +7

      But you shouldn't tell that to mathematicians! ;)

    • @r_bear
      @r_bear Рік тому +43

      The nice thing about physics is that most things in the world are sufficiently nonpathological such that you can play fast and loose pretty safely 😅

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 11 місяців тому

      Wait, why not? I was always taught that “the sum of the integrals is the integral of the sum”.

    • @obelustilde9427
      @obelustilde9427 11 місяців тому +13

      ​@@OtherTheDave Yes that works for finite sums, but infinite sums are defined as the limit of a series. So when you want to interchange them with an integral, you have to interchange a limit and an integral, which isn't always possible.

    • @socraticmathtutor1869
      @socraticmathtutor1869 10 місяців тому +5

      From a math standpoint, it's fine to do the integral switcheroo thing without justification, so long as you present your findings as a mere conjecture and not as a proof. So in some sense, there's nothing wrong with physicists omitting the justification. They just have to understand that what they've done is found a plausible answer to the question they're asking, but without a proof of the correctness of that answer. Unfortunately, a lot of physics types don't really get and/or worry about these kinds of "subtle" distinctions, despite that they're obviously important, and actually not very subtle at all.

  • @p.kalyanachakravarty7530
    @p.kalyanachakravarty7530 Рік тому +11

    Your presentation of this problem is really motivating me to try on my own such incredible integrals !

  • @JaimePenaAlvarez
    @JaimePenaAlvarez Рік тому +2

    Absolutely loved this video. Thank you Trefor for bringing this gorgeous integral ^^

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Ramsey_erdos
    @Ramsey_erdos Рік тому +23

    If u look up cambridge step 3, 2009 question 8 it is on this exact integral and its a very excellent question i remember doing it when studying. Very fun to figure out and pleasing result :)

  • @mr2.0facts84
    @mr2.0facts84 Рік тому +4

    Never stop makin videos professor u are an absolute gem of a person

  • @Straigo
    @Straigo Рік тому +1

    Oh neat, the tetrate x^^2.
    Wonderfully done. I throughly enjoyed your process and pacing.

  • @padraiggluck2980
    @padraiggluck2980 4 місяці тому +1

    Excellent presentation, professor. ⭐️

  • @MiguelHD04
    @MiguelHD04 Рік тому +7

    Hello everyone! I might be kinda late, but here's my generalized approach for limits from a to b, being both real numbers. When Dr.Treffor said right before trying to get the gamma function for the answer that you can integrate by parts x^n*ln(x)^n, you can and the formula for the series that will appear is actually easy but a headache to get: Σ (0=k to n) of (x^(n+1)ln(x)^(n-k)*(-1)^k*n!)/((n+1)^(k+1)*(n-k)!). You guys can plug in the values for the summatory and will see how they work. Finally, we can use the Taylor series of e^x to get a generalized integral which can be evaluated from a to b. We get Σ (n=0 to inf) of (1/(n!)*(the aforementioned summatory)). Then just use Barrow's law.
    Despite it is theoretically correct and perfectly usable, for a computer to evaluate it the summatory will have an error because, obviously, the limit will be a real number and not infinity, not to mention evaluating it manually. Thus, I'd like that the ones that have an extended knowledge in the field can tell me whether it is plausible for the formula to be simplified in some way or method.

  • @terrycole472
    @terrycole472 Рік тому +2

    What might be fun is a short video discussing what I was taught to call "Indeterminate forms" such as your example - zero to the power of zero - but including:
    - anything divided by zero,
    - infinity (or at least the cardinality of the continuum) to the power of zero,
    - anything to the power of infinity,
    and so forth, with attention to the way some make even less sense than others.

  • @farrasabdelnour
    @farrasabdelnour Рік тому

    Brilliant, beautiful derivation. Thank you

  • @jadenb6281
    @jadenb6281 Рік тому +1

    Really trending video, great job!

  • @violintegral
    @violintegral Рік тому +28

    Another clever way to evaluate the integral from 0 to 1 of x^n*(ln(x))^n w.r.t. x is to use Feynman's trick, i.e. differentiation under the integral sign, a special case of the Leibniz integral rule. Start with the integral I(t), defined as the integral from 0 to 1 of x^t w.r.t. x, with t being a nonnegative continuous variable. I(t) is the first and easiest integral anyone learns in calculus, evaluating to 1/(t+1) after applying the reverse power rule and the Fundamental theorem of calculus. Next notice that, upon differentiation w.r.t. t and exchanging the integral and derivative operators (the derivative becoming a partial derivative under the integral sign), that I'(t) is the integral from 0 to 1 of x^t*ln(x) w.r.t. x. So differentiating I(t) once chains out a single factor of ln(x). This pattern continues, meaning I''(t) is the integral from 0 to 1 of x^t*(ln(x))^2 w.r.t. x, I'''(t) is the integral from 0 to 1 of x^t*(ln(x))^3 w.r.t. x, and so on, since d/dt(x^t) = x^t*ln(x) and ln(x) is a constant with respect to t. Therefore, differentiating I(t) n times and evaluating at t = n returns the integral in question, so I^(n)(n) is the integral from 0 to 1 of x^n*(ln(x))^n w.r.t. x. To evaluate I^(n)(t), look back at I(t). Since I(t) = 1/(t+1), I^(n)(t) = d^n/dt^n(1/(t+1)). Now a seemingly difficult problem of integration has been transformed into a rather simple problem of differentiation. To evaluate this nth derivative, look at the derivative for the first few values of n and try to recognize a pattern. I^(0)(t) = 1/(t+1) = (-1)^0*0!/(t+1)^(0+1), I^(1)(t) = -1/(t+1)^2 = (-1)^1*1!*1/(t+1)^(1+1), I^(2)(t) = 2/(t+1)^3 = (-1)^2*2!*1/(t+1)^(2+1), I^(3)(t) = -6/(t+1)^4 = (-1)^3*3!*1/(t+1)^(3+1)... , the pattern continuing on up to I^(n)(t), suggesting that I^(n)(t) = (-1)^n*n!/(t+1)^(n+1), which can be proved by induction. Finally, evaluating I^(n)(t) at t = n gives the desired result: I^(n)(n) = (-1)^n*n!/(n+1)^(n+1). Some lessons to take away from this solution are 1) that recognizing and exploiting patterns can be very helpful when solving math problems and 2) starting with a similar-looking problem that you know how to solve can often provide some insight into the solution of a more difficult problem. As an aside, this method of differentiation under the integral sign can equivalently be used to prove that Gamma(n+1) = n!, giving a greater intution as to why this technique gives the same result as that of this video, but I will leave that up to you!

    • @TheEternalVortex42
      @TheEternalVortex42 Рік тому +4

      This is basically the same as iterating integration by parts

    • @violintegral
      @violintegral Рік тому +2

      @@TheEternalVortex42 How? It seems to me that, although both solutions give the same answer, they are fundamentally different.

  • @runenorderhaug7646
    @runenorderhaug7646 Рік тому

    I admit I like to think about the way interections within the function suggest limitations on them. For example consider this, the existence of the power rule for derivatives seems to suggest that for whole number all odd slope that are on a x of odd power will have come from a fraction and that for a whole number c that could represent any number, there is potentiolly a limit on how low it can actually be if all numbers are whole due to how power will keep multiplying up. I have a 44 page paper on the collatz conjecture, but my record of passing math classes is admittily not perfect due to several issues with hand writing and expression of knowledge on tests themselves... your channel is always a good reminder for fun. Sometimes difficult to find less known rules that you discover yourself but that makes it interesting until you want to confirm they exist already lol XD

  • @MichaelRothwell1
    @MichaelRothwell1 Рік тому +16

    Thanks for this beautiful solution to the Bernoulli integral ∫₀¹xˣdx.
    Just a small point about the value of 0⁰. At the start of the video you mentioned the apparent contradiction between the rules x⁰=1 and 0ˣ=0, and wondered which rule should take priority when x=0.
    As far as I am concerned, the x⁰=1 rule definitely takes priority.
    This is because it is valid for all real x≠0, whilst the 0ˣ=0 rule, on the other hand, only applies for x>0, with 0ˣ being undefined for x0 it is 0, for x0. If we let a→0 and take the pointwise limit of these functions, we get 0 for x>0, 1 for x=0 and ∞ for x

    • @charetjc
      @charetjc Рік тому +3

      0^7 is zero multiplied seven times. Zero multiplied by anything is zero.
      x^0 is x multiplied zero times. If you assume an implicit coefficient of 1, then you get 1 multiplied by nothing (not even zero), which is still 1.
      0^0 is zero multiplied zero times. Again, assuming an implicit coefficient of 1, then you get 1, because that implicit 1 was never multiplied by zero (there are none).

    • @MichaelRothwell1
      @MichaelRothwell1 Рік тому +3

      @@charetjc Agreed. The empty product argument is an excellent justification for 0⁰=1. It is the basis of BriTheMathGuy's video "The Most Controversial Number in Math" (ua-cam.com/video/jNhjB4UfR9A/v-deo.html ).
      Another excellent argument (but probably too abstract to be understood by non-Mathematicians) is the map counting argument: if A and B are finite sets with cardinality m and n respectively, then the number of maps A→B (essentially, the number of m-tuples with values in B), written Bᴬ, has cardinality bᵃ. This rule is certainly true if A and B are not both empty, so it is logical to extend it to that case also. There is exactly one map ∅→∅, and that is the empty map ∅. So we get 0⁰=1.

    • @BlankTH
      @BlankTH Рік тому +1

      And on top of that, when dealing with integrals we're really only dealing with the open set of values within the boundaries of the integral. And since x^x approaches 1 as x approaches 0 this is the value we're after, not the value at x^x when x=0, regardless of what it is.

  • @hamunami
    @hamunami Рік тому

    すばらしい。どうしても解けなかった問題を解いてくれた。

  • @doctorb9264
    @doctorb9264 2 місяці тому

    Excellent and enjoyable presentation.

  • @sergiolucas38
    @sergiolucas38 Рік тому +1

    Great video, you're an excellent professor :)

  • @belalsherif553
    @belalsherif553 Рік тому +3

    that's one great piece of math right there!! thank you

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +2

      Glad you think so!

    • @belalsherif553
      @belalsherif553 Рік тому

      @Dr. Trefor Bazett I really learned a lot from you and am still learning. I appreciate your great work.

  • @michaelbaum6796
    @michaelbaum6796 Рік тому

    Excellent explanation - great👌

  • @PeterParker-gt3xl
    @PeterParker-gt3xl Рік тому

    This beautiful solution by Johann Bernoulli is justly shown here by the professor, involving e/ln, integration of x, lnx b/w 1 and 0; IBP was not used then, the same Johann who was stumped with Basel problem, and got to admire Euler's solution, (sadly w/o Jakob). You are a teacher I am looking for.

  • @airsquid8532
    @airsquid8532 Рік тому +1

    Love your content !!

  • @Daniel-yc2ur
    @Daniel-yc2ur 4 місяці тому

    To finish it off split the series into the odd and even parts to get rid of the (-1)^n, then re index the two sums to get the Basel problem and plug in pi^2/6

  • @sirB0nes
    @sirB0nes 9 місяців тому +3

    Sorry if I'm the 80th person to point this out, but your final summation is indexed by i while the terms are indexed by n. It was correct when you first introduced the Maclaurin series for the exponential function but, after you computed the integrals and put the whole series back together to finish the problem, that was when the i showed up.

  • @farhanahmed2508
    @farhanahmed2508 Рік тому +3

    Professor you blow my mind

  • @wingdinggaster6737
    @wingdinggaster6737 Рік тому

    With the first graph, if you plug it in in Desmos, even though desmos doesnt understand imaginary numbers, when you click home it sometimes shows things such as -1/3 as a value, although you cant click on it because buggy desmos

  • @putin_navsegda6487
    @putin_navsegda6487 Рік тому +1

    nice video, thank you!

  • @powerfulmath1914
    @powerfulmath1914 Рік тому

    You are my inspiration Sir!

  • @coffeeconfessor4747
    @coffeeconfessor4747 Рік тому +2

    This was a fun one. Made a good break after my finance class. Question, do you think a Fuchsian group can be rendered in 3-dimensional hyperbolic space? Since hyperbolic space is weird, and Fuchsian groups are just projections into the hyperbolic space. (Sorry, doing research on Fuchsian groups and the question has been niggling at my brain for a minute.)

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +2

      Thank you! I have no idea, I'd have to think about that one:D

  • @toanhockhaiphong
    @toanhockhaiphong Рік тому

    Very good computation ❤

  • @agostinhogabrielbrito-nf6vf
    @agostinhogabrielbrito-nf6vf Рік тому +1

    I Liked too much this solution, I hope more videos

  • @skyetharsis7136
    @skyetharsis7136 Місяць тому

    i once actually did the n-fold integration by parts cus i thought it was interesting. honestly im surprised i haven't seen anyone cover that method in a video

  • @Hank-ry9bz
    @Hank-ry9bz 28 днів тому +1

    0^0 is obviously 1 since it is the cardinality of the set of functions which map the empty set to itself, namely the empty function an no others

  • @danielstets8649
    @danielstets8649 Рік тому

    When you switched the integral with the sum in the beginning even before you said it I was thinking dominated convergence theorem or monotone/bounded CT

  • @MathOrient
    @MathOrient Рік тому +1

    Fascinating.

  • @MrMichkov
    @MrMichkov Рік тому +1

    It has some real values for negative xs, so like the gamma function. 😀

  • @mohammadjaveed7404
    @mohammadjaveed7404 Рік тому

    Fantastic method.

  • @goognamgoognw6637
    @goognamgoognw6637 Рік тому

    clicking on your video i already figured out that 0^0 = 1 from knowing the behavior of root n of x function tend to grow toward a step function at n=infinity (power of 0). and 1^1 = 1.

  • @SolomonUcko
    @SolomonUcko Рік тому

    integral from 0 to 1 of x^x dx = - sum of n from 1 to infinity of (-1)^n * n^-n

  • @blankj5250
    @blankj5250 4 місяці тому +1

    Could you tell me where you purchased that beautiful T-shirt? Plz :)

  • @edunation1296
    @edunation1296 Рік тому +11

    Thanks for this showing this beautiful piece of mathematics btw I am so tiny to praise you sir 😅but I have a question which I want to ask
    Which shape (2d,3d) covers most area for least perimeter. I think it should be circle for regular shapes since it has highest area perimeter ratio but don't know if any complex shape in 3D space ( some sort of bent circular shape, like Pringles or anything) does so.

    • @cara-setun
      @cara-setun Рік тому

      @amr m I think they meant higher dimensional versions of perimeter, for 3d it would be surface area, for 4d it would be volume, etc
      Either way, the correct answer is a sphere. In fact, I believe spheres get more efficient in higher and higher dimensions

    • @cara-setun
      @cara-setun Рік тому

      Sphere is always going to be the best. Technically you can define a sphere as a shape with the highest volume to surface area ratio.

  • @micheltenvoorde
    @micheltenvoorde Рік тому +31

    x^x is such a bad boy. You've gotta be a math nerd to understand, but I just like that function. I am curious however whether it actually represents something in the real world, in the same way that n! expresses the number of permutations of n objects.

    • @bengal_tiger1984
      @bengal_tiger1984 Рік тому +4

      How many possible mappings are there of a set of cardinality n with itself? Each element can be mapped to any of n possible elements, since there are n elements, we have n times n times n... n times, so n^n. Combinatorially, a^n is more versatile. If I have a 4 digit pin, there are 10^4 pins I could choose from, since for the first number there are 10 options, for the second 10 options, same for third and fourth. Similar principle. This kind of discrete math appears a lot in applications.

    • @cara-setun
      @cara-setun Рік тому +1

      n^n occasionally came up when calculating entropy, but I’m not a thermodynamist, so I can’t tell you how often it useful it is

  • @moshyroth
    @moshyroth Рік тому +1

    That was pretty creative

  • @derderrr7220
    @derderrr7220 Рік тому +1

    i think i need to learn more algebra absolutely love it.

  • @jebarijihed
    @jebarijihed 11 місяців тому +1

    Well we could make it even more cleaner by assuming that (-1)^n =-(-1)^(n+1) than make a shift by one in the serie expression to fin the resulat equal to the sum from 1 to infinity of -(-1/n)^n

  • @Risu0chan
    @Risu0chan 9 місяців тому

    Eeeeh waitaminute. @8:40 The condition of absolute convergence is not a thing (it has other properties, though, such as the re-ordering of the terms). In order to swap the integral and the summation signs, you need either:
    1) uniform convergence; this is the case, because the exponential series Σ y^n /n! has a infinite radius, therefore UC, and even normal convergence is guaranted on [-1,0] or whatever interval (x ln x) spans;
    2) dominated convergence; on the interval [0,1], | x^x | = | exp(x lnx) | < 1 and ∫ 1 dx is well defined on [0..1] so it's ok;
    3) monotonous convergence; (x lnx)^n / n! < 0 so the series is strictly decreasing as n goes to ∞, so it's ok.
    Forgive me if I'm completely mistaken, because it's 1 AM, I just came back from a festival, I'm exhausted and I'm doing math, ah ah.

  • @watchmakerful
    @watchmakerful Рік тому +1

    The numerical approximation strongly reminds me Pi/4. Is it true for a longer series sum?

  • @jesili2634
    @jesili2634 Рік тому +1

    great answer thankj you

  • @vichea24
    @vichea24 Рік тому +1

    Thanks 🙏🏻 teacher . Me from Cambodia 🇰🇭

  • @GoatzAreEpic
    @GoatzAreEpic Рік тому +1

    Love the t-shirt!

  • @MamouSimo
    @MamouSimo 2 місяці тому

    Great video thanks,
    In the challenge examples at the end, the first one should be :
    Int 0 to 1 (1/(x^x)) dx = sum (n=1 to inf) 1/(n^n) and not 1/(n^2)

  • @Alex-jk2qy
    @Alex-jk2qy Рік тому +2

    Lovely integral bud

  • @Fandikusnadi1979
    @Fandikusnadi1979 11 місяців тому

    can you make video about bernoulli number , with some contour integration behind it ? thank you so much.

  • @fahrrad187
    @fahrrad187 Рік тому +4

    great explanations! Could it be that you you messed up the variables i and n since the sum counted the variable i but you used n?

    • @fahrrad187
      @fahrrad187 Рік тому +2

      regarding minute 7:38 onwards

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +2

      Quite right, thank you!

  • @michaeledwardharris
    @michaeledwardharris Рік тому +1

    That was pretty crazy.

  • @himankpoddar
    @himankpoddar Рік тому +2

    Can you make a playlist on series and sequences

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +1

      Check out my calc II playlist!

  • @jons5943
    @jons5943 Рік тому +1

    Using the Basal problem and the steps to solve it, you can get a final solution to this as n goes to infinity of pi^2/12

  • @perspicacity89
    @perspicacity89 5 місяців тому

    What is the indefinite triple integral of x raised to the power of y, and then y raised to the power of z, with respect to dx, dy, and dz?
    Thanks and love you!

  • @derschwarzerabe9848
    @derschwarzerabe9848 Рік тому +1

    good job

  • @williamsaraiva4562
    @williamsaraiva4562 Рік тому

    Simple Math, but beautiful! Congratulation!

  • @invinciblemaverick22
    @invinciblemaverick22 Рік тому

    i'm preparing for JEE Advanced, sir.....one small query....what were the ratio tests etc u talked to check if its converging or not, coz lot of times I misunderstand it to be a part fo taylor's expansions

    • @epikherolol8189
      @epikherolol8189 4 місяці тому +1

      For jee advanced we mustn't involve into the concept of convergence/divergence of a series ig.
      I'm also prepping for jee and for us the series will rather be just used as a formula

  • @steverainingagain7956
    @steverainingagain7956 Рік тому +23

    When he said "i will leave this as an exercise for you" i got severe PTSD of my maths professors at uni. Very rarely did they show us how results came about lol

    • @OpiatedBliss
      @OpiatedBliss 11 місяців тому +2

      The answer is intuitively obvious and left as an exercise for the student..

    • @steverainingagain7956
      @steverainingagain7956 11 місяців тому +3

      @@OpiatedBliss what is intuitively obvious for a college professor who has years of research under their belt may not be the case for students. I dont feel like leaving properties or theorems for students to find on their own is particularly useful when the work is relatively new to the students. Feel like it rarely had the desired effect and instead led to a lot of acceptance of mathematical facts without knowing why, a teaching practice which is holistically frowned upon in mathematics

    • @badnoodlez
      @badnoodlez 10 місяців тому

      ​@@steverainingagain7956so you don't think students should work and obviously the prof spent their PhD ruminating over trivial exercises.
      😂😂😂😂

    • @steverainingagain7956
      @steverainingagain7956 10 місяців тому +2

      @@badnoodlez what an absolutely gross misinterpretation of what I said. You don't think students have enough work to do without being left to piece together theorems and properties from work that is relatively new to them (the entire concept of 'proofs' was a very new thing to myself in my maths degree)? Challenging students to discover for themselves is a great tool when used correctly, but was totally abused by professors during my own degree experience. It came across that they clearly prioritised their other work and research over lecturing and used this "leave this to you as an exercise" as a mere shortcut so that they didn't have to bother spending any more time elaborating. Most of what they asked us to prove on our own as students we were not capable of and they rarely provided solutions for those who were unsure. Myself and many others had to resort to online tutorials and lectures over our own professors.

  • @TheDhdk
    @TheDhdk 10 місяців тому

    Could a similar method be used to integrate x^e^x?

  • @linhnguyenvu4241
    @linhnguyenvu4241 Рік тому

    Hehe I have another trick to calculate this integral and is equal to exp(-1/4), but your work is really cool

  • @aimersclasseslko9089
    @aimersclasseslko9089 Рік тому +2

    Sir Pls make a Video series On Beta and Gamma Function Seperately 🙏.

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +2

      Good idea! I've done gamma in a few places, but beta function would be a good one.

  • @kskim1951
    @kskim1951 Рік тому +4

    I’m 73 and my math knowledge stays at the level of sophomore in college.
    Still I find your topics are always interesting and intriguing.😊😊😊

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +2

      I love that you are still learning!

  • @Meomega
    @Meomega Рік тому +1

    Great integral

  • @wolfgangroth6265
    @wolfgangroth6265 Рік тому

    The integral of x^-x from 0 to infinity cash be solved basically the same way and turns out to be 1 + 1/2^2 + 1/3^3 +1/4^4…. (Even more beautiful) but here is my Question: is there a (similar) way to calculate the Integral from 1 to inf of f(x)=x^-x ? (It definitely has to be a finite number because this function is getting smaller than any f(x)= 1/x^n for any n >1 and and all integrals from 1 to inf of f(x)/x^n are finite for n>1 )

  • @trimethoxy4637
    @trimethoxy4637 Рік тому

    if you enjoy format of maple, you should definitely try wolfram mathematica

  • @MarioDSLife
    @MarioDSLife 6 місяців тому

    I remember a similar integral being called Sophomore’s Dream, the integrand is x^-x instead of x^x

  • @QwDragon
    @QwDragon Рік тому

    7:13 Animation of power n is strange when left and right are swapping.

  • @abhisheksoni9774
    @abhisheksoni9774 Рік тому

    Can you tell me how to create png images of these beautiful mathematics equations

  • @looney1023
    @looney1023 3 місяці тому

    This, along with an even nicer integral, is collectively known as the "Sophomore's Dream"! The other integrand is x^-x and the result is even nicer:
    integral(x^-x) = sum(n^-n)

  • @HRNDRX
    @HRNDRX 4 місяці тому

    in 9:31 the "challenge examples" in the first integral of 1/x^x the result is not the sum of 1/n^2 it's the sum of 1/n^n

  • @mohan153doshi
    @mohan153doshi Рік тому +1

    Absolutely awesome and clear explanation. Dr. Trefor Bazett makes learning math such great fun.

  • @artelcampos
    @artelcampos Рік тому +1

    6:30 it looked like n+1 was the exponent on -u alone so I didn't think you could do that step like that

    • @Lory_1502
      @Lory_1502 Рік тому +1

      I was thinking the same, then I rewatched the video and saw that it come from x^n --> (e^-u)^(n+1), so it's correct what he did. It's for the notation that it seems wrong. Anyway, very good video

  • @toomanyhobbies2011
    @toomanyhobbies2011 Рік тому +7

    Thank you for this journey down memory lane. Once we realized that Calculus is Algebra with limits, mostly Algebra, it became much easier.
    Just remember that the endpoints of an integral are not included in the value, because it's ultimately a limit operation.
    Using a program to evaluate something like 0^0 is just accepting a definition, they simply define 0^0 to be 1. Computers are detrimental to understanding.

  • @ryan8749
    @ryan8749 Рік тому

    I understand none of this, but it’s truly fascinating. Hopefully in one year after calc BC I will 😅

  • @user-ld6is4ni3d
    @user-ld6is4ni3d Рік тому +2

    Can someone explain why when converting x^n in terms of u, you add 1 to n? In other words why does the exponent become n+1 and not just n?

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +2

      In the conversion from du to dx there is one more x factor there

    • @user-ld6is4ni3d
      @user-ld6is4ni3d Рік тому

      Oh I see now, thanks Dr. Bazett!

  • @whilewecan
    @whilewecan 2 місяці тому

    Nice!!

  • @abhisheksoni9774
    @abhisheksoni9774 Рік тому

    I just noticed your T Shirt, Where Hypotenuse means hippopatamus 😅

  • @petelok9969
    @petelok9969 Рік тому +1

    I don't follow the rule of exponents thing at around 6:35 where you bring down the (n+1)...I mean isn't it like saying exp(X**3) = exp(3x)?

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +1

      I didn't put the brackets in explicitly, but the derivation has it as (e^a)^b not e^(a^b)

    • @petelok9969
      @petelok9969 Рік тому

      @@DrTrefor ah ok, gottit. Power of a power rule Thanks very much 😊. P

  • @arestes
    @arestes 2 місяці тому

    I would still ask for proof of speed of convergence. What if converges really slowly and terms appear to stabilize only to change a lot later on in the expansion?

  • @pradipbandyopadhyay9689
    @pradipbandyopadhyay9689 Рік тому +1

    So so elegant

  • @stephenarthurhadley
    @stephenarthurhadley Рік тому

    Could you write out the reduction of e^-u^(n+1) to e^-(n+1)u

  • @kls4770
    @kls4770 Рік тому

    any help for this integral sin(x)/ln(x)

  • @sebastiandierks7919
    @sebastiandierks7919 Рік тому +8

    5:44 The brackets should enclose the entire e-function, not only the exponent. There are already a couple of other comments wondering how you simplified further using the power rule, which was correct, but didn't make sense if the brackets are only about the -u in the exponent.

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +1

      Yes, I should have been explicit, I'll add a note

  • @qpr543
    @qpr543 Рік тому

    He reminds of my maths professor who used to gesticulate a lot, in funny manner. 😄

  • @PlasmaFuzer
    @PlasmaFuzer Рік тому

    The retroactive justification based on absolute convergence works, but can't you justify the swap on the basis that the Taylor series for the exponential function has an infinite radius of convergence (meaning it is analytic on the whole complex plane thus complete)? You can't swap the sum and integral if the bounds of integration extend beyond the radius of convergence since this pretty much guarantees the resulting solution will not converge.

  • @wdfusroy8463
    @wdfusroy8463 Рік тому

    Is there any important link between this integral and the integral of x TO THE -X FROM 0 TO INFINITY? [Sorry keyboard is broken>}

  • @Alex-xu3mo
    @Alex-xu3mo Рік тому

    3:03
    The taylor series for e^(xlnx) cant just be expanded like that from e^x
    xlnx is undefined for zero, so the best expansion we can get is e^xlnx=sum of (xlnx-1)^n/n!

    • @bfrobin446
      @bfrobin446 Рік тому

      It’s legal to make a substitution that turns a proper integral into an improper integral (e.g. by making the integrand undefined at one endpoint of the interval) as long as the relevant limits exist when we need to take limits.

    • @Alex-xu3mo
      @Alex-xu3mo Рік тому

      @@bfrobin446 well the limit of lnx is -inf as x approaches 0, so e^xlnx is undefined . I am still confused and not sure how you can write this expansion as that

    • @bfrobin446
      @bfrobin446 Рік тому

      @@Alex-xu3mo e^(x ln x) is defined on the entire integration interval except at x=0, and the Taylor series that’s shown is correct everywhere the original expression is defined. So we make the substitution and then implicitly treat the integral as an improper integral: instead of integrating from 0 to 1, integrate from ε to 1 and then take the limit as epsilon goes to zero from the right.

    • @Alex-xu3mo
      @Alex-xu3mo Рік тому

      ​​@@bfrobin446 @Ben Robinson i dont understand how that particular substitution can be made. We have the function e^xlnx which's first derivative is e^xlnx(lnx+1) and the following ones have more lnx+1 and 1/x in them. I dont get how we can build a taylor series from that so that any derivative at particular value in the series becomes 1, and we get neat expression xlnx^n/n!
      Precisely i dont get how ((e^(alna))^(n)*(xlnx-a)^n)/n! taylor series n member can become ((xlnx)^n)/n!

    • @bfrobin446
      @bfrobin446 Рік тому

      @@Alex-xu3mo Let u = x ln x. Write the Taylor series for e^u, then change each u in that series back to an x ln x.

  • @TsuzuraYuuki
    @TsuzuraYuuki Рік тому +2

    That's an interesting question, and I really enjoy the process of learning about it. I do have a small comment though, at 2:24, when you do the animation from \ln x^x to x\ln x, I am worried that some who are just curious but not familiar with maths will think that's the general rule to handle logarithm function. Something I noticed need to pay more attention to when teaching students that are not as proficient in maths

    • @cookiequeen5430
      @cookiequeen5430 Рік тому +3

      But this is a general rule?

    • @spiffinn_music_lists
      @spiffinn_music_lists Рік тому

      He says it right (the *exponent* can come out to the front), but the wrong x (the base) is animated as moving: ln(b^p) = p ln(b) != b ln(p)

  • @omerhassan5543
    @omerhassan5543 Рік тому +1

    You are very very smart and remarkably incredible

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +1

      Well I don't know about that, but thank you!

  • @TheMemesofDestruction
    @TheMemesofDestruction Рік тому +1

    Groovy!

  • @alboris8203
    @alboris8203 Рік тому +1

    Is it possible to get a closed form of the final result?