Changed My Rav 4 at 1200miles for the first change, filter looked about the same as yours. Second change had 2 flakes. Been clean since. Break in metals, adhesives, sealants, shop dust, machining particles and highest level of combustion products while the rings seal up, so much crap in a first change. The first one is the most important.
Thank You, Mr. Melton. This is exactly what I needed to see. I plan to get the same exact model as you have and you and I have the same goals of making it last. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
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I really like the Oil Filter Magnet idea. Thanks for presenting this. The Filter Magnet does not discriminate iron particle size like the oil filter does. IE Toyota engine oil filter is around Beta 20, 95% @ 20 Microns, meaning the oil filter media captures 95% of all particles larger than 20 um. A really good engine oil filter with Beta Rating of 75, 98.6% vs 95% Efficient at 20 UM captures 90% more particles than a 95% Efficient Filter. The Oil Filter media catches other things as well, like dirt from changing the oil, combustion products, carbon particles that get by the piston rings and silicates from road dust escaping through your air filter, these especially are very abrasive and also in large sizes, well over 50 um. The Magnetic Filter on your filter is capable of capturing up to 100% of all metal particles, all sizes and shapes. Magnetic Filtration is a powerful tool/method of reducing engine wear, does not discriminate particle size like the oil filter media does, magnet get all sizes. The benefit is that using a high efficient engine oil filter and the filter magnet, you can also use a Rare Earth,Neodymium SS Drain Plug magnet, [VOTEX, Toyota Part No: DP006 M12x1.25mm] then you are capturing & preventing these particles from being pumped through the engine bearings & lubrication system, and at the rate of 7-9 GPM. Good & Efficient filtration captures & reduces the particle sizes flowing in the oil while engine running, it is capturing the particles that cause excessive wear. The metal particles are being pumped at 60 PSI constantly through the bearings. By capturing the larger wear particles using good filtration, you could effectively reduce wear and extend engine life up to 5 times, yes...beyond 1,000,000 miles. I really like your Engine Break in Video, trapping and cleaning the engine with the short drain interval oil changes and using the filter magnet is very effective in extending the useful life of your engine. Well done! Thanks
I'm soon going to get a brand new MX-5 and i'm going to do the same if not very similar procedure (using Break-in mineral high zddp oil and doing at least 3 changes). The thing is, if you are on leasing or buying this car and planning it to have it for the next 5 or 10 years, you might not care as much and it would make sense to follow the manual. On the other hand if you would like to keep this car to last for 20 or 30 years with 300 or 500k miles, this is the way to go i think.
I changed my RAV4 oil at the first 500 miles too. The dealership changed it for free the first year every 5k miles stating they didn't agree with Toyota's 10k oil change policy. Toyota states that they break in the engine at the factory. Change your oil and it'll run 300k miles.
That's pretty bad the Toyota dealer don't agree with Toyota. lol I appreciate your comment. Thanks for watching, please Like & Subscribe. I'm trying to reach 10k subs before I kick the bucket.
I changed mine at 1k. It had plenty of metal shine. So it definitely helps to get that oil out! I will change again in 2500, then 5k. Then 5k intervals if it looks good. Always use 💯 % synthetic! You will be good to go! Alot of people just gas and go. That's bad not to at least change the oil! I have seen black air filters! 😮
@johnmartin7158 AMS OIL is a great oil, but not changing your oil for a year is a Joke! Lol Can I get an AMEN? Hahaha 😆 Thanks for watching! Please like and subscribe, I need as many disciples as I can get. 😆 I'm done with the corny church lingo...my dad was a preacher so I couldn't help myself. Lol Have a great night!
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING God bless you Matthew. One year even for me is ridiculous. Thanks for sharing your views about oil changes. I do mine every 8000km which I think is equivalent to 5000m. I have to be careful in NZ of using the Fram oil filter as if anything went wrong Toyota NZ will find any excuses not to pay and make my warranty void. Cheers Ak, NZ.
@@Piznick64 I was a bit tongue-in-cheek. Like I meant, don’t live next door to an Amsoil or Amsway consultant. They’ll be knocking on your door regularly preaching the product.
Thanks. Now I feel vindicated. At 69 my 1st new car is a 24 rav4. I had the 1st oil change between 5 and 6 hundred mi. The dealership folks without saying so seemed to think it was early. I grew up with the 3 or 3 rule.my next was planned at 5000 or 6 months. At less than 2 months as of tonight 10 / 06 / 24 I've passed 4800 mi. I'll have it done maybe next weekend. I still work 40 + hrs a week. Thanks again.. (With toyota oil). You have answered another oil question. Bill
You really did prove the valid claims made by those magnets over oil filters. Also noticed in my Walmart Pennzoil synthetic has come out with a 0W-16. Pennzoil has tested out better than Mobil 1 in other weights.
Yes, I totally agree with changing the transmission fluid out earlier, then recommend by Toyota. Fluid is cheap compared to replacing the transmission.
Our daughter just bought a 2018 RAV4, only 21,845 kms (13,543 Miles) here in May, 2024. This vehicle owned by an elderly couple that did not drive it very far, all short city trips or very often, Ontario Canada. I am thinking about what condition the transmission oil would be in. I decided to do a complete service the automatic transmission. The service shop pulled the trans drain pan off and he called me to come in and see the debris captured by the transmission drain pan magnets, there are four and they are removable so can be cleaned. We both were surprised, the surface of the four magnets was completely covered with very small metal particles surrounded with a light grey metallic greasy film. So, just over six years since new, never serviced as low kms on vehicle and only 21,845 kms. So glad we got this trans serviced now. Finding the full magnets and colour of the oil was surprising! The complete auto Transmission fill for a 2018 RAV4 is 6.9 Qts, when you drain the transmission you only get out 2.9 Qts. So when your Toyota Dealer does a transmission service, they only get out 2.9 Qts, still 4 Qts left in the system. Some owners will do this 3x method of servicing the trans oil 3x {Take for a 20 Minute Drive between drains] in one day, you get most of the old oil out. It is effective and you can do it yourself. I recommend taking off the drain pan and cleaning the pan and magnets first , then do two more drains and refill. Put the drain pan back on and fill with 3 Qts new oil. Remove the trans oil cooler return line add a piece of 3/8" clear plastic hose and and put into a bucket on the floor. Now start the engine and the torq converter will pump out the used oil through the cooler lines and rad cooler back into the bucket. This method of using the engine running to pump out the used oil still in the torque converter and cooler lines and rad cooler is 100% effective. You need to shut off the engine and top up the oil in the trans a couple times as the oil in trans level will get low. do this until you see nice clean oil coming out of the return line, then shut off the engine and properly top off the trans oil level using the Toyota method.
Great video and thank you , I have Rav4 Hybrid 2023 ,the first oil change I took to the Toyota Dealer in Portugal for my surprise they put the 0W-20 instead of the 0W-16 I questioned why and the answer I got was Portugal is a hot country in the Summer and Toyota Portugal decided that 0w-20 is the best choice , which completley disagree , because the manual says the right oil 0w-16 only if case is not available it can be youse the 0w-20 , I´m realy frustrated with this situation.
I know this sounds bad but when I go to get any service done I secretly record everything because I no longer trust people and the BS they will tell you. lol Thanks for watching , please Like & Subscribe. :)
The Factory 0w-16 recommendation is somewhat political based, absolutely nothing to do with the reliability or extending useful life of the engine. . From my prospective as a Reliability Engineer, using a higher viscosity oil, going up one grade to a 0w-20 improves reliability and will extend the useful life of your engine. This is proven using Oil Condition Monitoring, sampling the oil using a Lab to trend iron & other wear particles, by quantity and size in each ml of the used oil. I have been sampling used oil since the early 80's. Upgrading the oil one viscosity grade will greatly extend the useful life of your engine, period. Especially more effective as the mileage increases.
Thanks for the well explained video Matthew. Looking at all the metallic particles caught by the magnet and the filter media it looks like a good idea to change the oil early as you did. Were the bigger pieces in the pleats ferrous or aluminium? Be interested to see how you get on with oil analysis in the future - have subscribed. I change the oil on my 2019 Rav4 hybrid every 6 months (approx 3000 miles) as it is used for shorter local journeys and the oil smells of gasoline after that amount of time.
Thank you Brady! I appreciate you watching and for the torq spec I always forget and have to google it. lol Please Like & Sub I'm trying to reach 10,000 subs and I'm a long ways away. lol Have a great night!
The magnet trick and Toyota source oil only is not gonna hurt. I'm going with the car nut1000 mile break oil filter, store 0-16 Mobil Mahe oil filter 5000 miles oil change or once a year.
they sell the valve cover that you talking about if you go in toyota that is made for lowering the noise of the engine.. but they cut cost in my c hr toyota hybrid they took off too but is the same engine of prius corolla and other 1.8 and toyota selling you if you want just pap on the valve cover, theres allready some stuff ready to pup on them
Pretty much all car manufacturers deliberately push the oil change service interval to 10-15k so that they can do the bare minimum all the while its nearing the end of the vehicles factory service warranty! And unknowingly to the consumers that follows the manufacturers service intervals are inadvertently causing the engine to wear out prematurely that then leads to oil burning! Almost all modern cars have direct injection engines which causes oil dilltion which thins out the oil which causes all of these problems to begin with. My family bought a 2005 Honda Odyssey brand new and the dealer recommended 15k oil changes for its service interval; safe to say we stuck with 5k oci at minimum and every third oil change we took it to the dealer. We still have the Odyssey today at 280k with no issues except for VCM oil burning issues which was remedied quickly with a vcm mzzler. I guess people nowadays don't bother with doing any thing this preventive nowadays because they don't plan on keeping the vehicle long term. Anyways, I appreciate how you explain everything concisely and clearly!
Hey I really appreciate the kind words! I tried my best to show people proof in this video so people will see for themselves but you always have a few that wanna fuss and act like your crazy. lol I like doing maintenance work on my cars it is rewarding when it pays off. 280k miles is amazing!!! Thanks for watching, please LIKE & SUB I need all the help I can get. :)
I agree with that I just do it a few extra times to flush out as many wear particles as possible. Thanks for watching! Please Like & Subscribe I need all the help I can get.
Not sure about you car but the 23 and up highlanders have a cover design that lets air go between the engine and the cover. So you wouldn’t want to take that one off. Just something to check on.
I'll probably have my transmission fluid changed pretty early just in case they change it and my transmission starts having problems, then it will still be under warranty. As far as differential fluid I don't worry about that since mine is a fwd model.
Hi Matthew, really enjoyed your informative and well put together video, well done and thanks. I run a 2021 rav 4 hybrid currently on 17500 miles. Totally dealer serviced but after watching your video I wish I had serviced it myself !! One thing I have noticed over the last year is oil dilution which I imagine is caused by my short journeys ? Is this something you have knowledge of Matthew ?
@user-hk3lr5pr5s thanks for the kind words! I appreciate you watching! The only thing I know fow oil dilution is to take longer trips every couple of days or change your oil more frequently.
Ive seen a lot of these videos where they cut the oil filter and look inside. but isnt that the job of the oil filter to begin with? so it doesn't circulate through the engine. changing the oil is cheap so why not but i haven't seen any videos after the 2nd oils change to see if there is anything in the filter.
@ryanmac7377 There are always going to be wear particles inside your engine, but they are substantially higher during those first 10,000 miles because everything is being broken in, and that's when most engine wear occurs. So I'm gonna change my oil a lot more in those first 10,000 miles and then every 5,000 miles after that. I will give more video updates on my findings because it's unbelievable just how much metal you will collect.
That dadgum Toyota….. Given the situation with the engines in the new Tundra, I wouldn’t be surprised if that debris you found in the oil filter was left over from the manufacturing process of the Rav4 engines.
Hahaha it is actually pretty normal for a new engine to have this much break-in fragments in the the oil and filter it just makes us all scared to see it on our $30,000+ personal investments. lol Thanks for watching, please like and subscribe because I have lots of RAV4 content. Have a great night!
those engine are already tested you don't even need to go slowly for the first thousand miles no more....i thing always gona find this metal stuff in the filter even if it is supposed to stop them is just normal usage of the engine, i mean not because is a new engine, but the way is not a bad idea this is an extra care that you do. and silicon is contained in the oil toyota oil have more than other brands, more than mobil 1 that make the oil for toyota but the recipe is different for toyota, i saw a result of oils tests with all the mineral and stuff inside brand new oil.. and they have silicone inside and also toyota have more additive than mobil 1 but i understood that they are not the same even if mobil 1 make the toyota oil.
@fords8433 That's true, but you seen all of the ferous metal that the magnets picked up. That's even less wear particles floating around your oil and taking up room in the filter. The more things you can do to prevent wear the better.
"They don't tell you" to change your oil 'early', because you don't have to. Where's your actual evidence? Did you do an oil analysis? Many manufacturers install a specific 'break-in oil' that helps the engine break in. Break-in involves 'lapping' moving parts to remove high spots so that all parts have minimum friction while creating optimal seal of the rings that is CRUCIAL to the designed compression ratio with minimal oil consumption. Remove this oil early and the break-in won't proceed as it's supposed to... "Oil filters won't catch all particles on first pass"...??? Where do you get this info? Filter elements are designed to have specific gaps to catch suspended particles. These gaps don't change significantly, so if a particle is big enough to be caught, it likely will get caught on the first pass. Magnets aren't a bad idea. Just remember that much of the wear surfaces on modern engines is NOT Iron. It's typically aluminum, bronze, chrome, silicon, etc. that a magnet has ZERO effect on. Cylinders typically have treated aluminum bores with aluminum/silicon pistons. Bearings, valve-guides, etc. are typically bronze and-or copper alloys. None of this is attracted to a magnet, no matter how strong it is... Those wear items will remain in the oil until it passes through the filter. The few Iron wear surfaces in modern engines are often only the piston rings. Most of the particles you found in the filter would not have made it past the filter element... Yes, you would expect some machining residue in a new engine, but engine wear DOES NOT OCCUR in chunks big enough to see... Every modern filter will catch that before they circulate. If there are pieces after the initial change it's more likely due to a failed bearing or other component... 'Beauty covers' are also effective sound absorbers... Crush washers are designed as SINGLE USE... The BIGGEST cause of wear in most engines is SEVERE SERVICE. Short commutes are deadly for engine life. Essentially all the moisture, unburned fuel, and combustion by-products that blow-by the rings on every combustion stroke will accumulate and cause sludge in cold oil. You must have regular extended highway runs of 20-miles or more to get the oil to full operating temperature long enough to boil off these combustion by-products before they start to accumulate and degrade your oil's lubricating ability. More frequent oil changes will help, but not as much as highway miles will.
Gary, you obviously didn't watch the entire video or pay much attention. The reason I change my oil 4 times in the 1st 5000 miles is based off science not speculation and Lake Speed Jr proved it. Watch his video in my description he is a tribologist and owns his own oil analysis company. You are correct that magnets pic up steel. But I also ran a better filtering oil filter with good flow characteristics to pick up most of the other contaminants and wear particles and changing the oil several times in the 1st few thousand miles just cleans a lot of the wear particles out from break in. These engines don't have break in oil in them. They are factory filled with 0w16 Toyota Oil just like I used and was tested by Lake Speed Jr.
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING What science? Where's the actual evidence that changing your oil 4 times in 5,0000-mi. actually made any difference in how long your engine lasts? Science means using evidence to establish a principle. Again, what evidence? You have not demonstrated that the small flakes found in your filter weren't simply machining residue that occurs in every engine ever put in a vehicle, and which gets caught in their first pass through the filter. Had you shown similar evidence after the second or third oil change you might have something, but you didn't. You just made the clearly unsupported assumption these chunks of metal constantly flow through your engine during break-in, and you need to change your oil frequently to 'save your engine'. Sorry, but assumptions without actual evidence are exactly that - unsupported assumptions. Similarly, you assume manufacturers don't know how to look after their engines, and every owner who doesn't follow your advice is doomed for early engine failure. Frankly there are lots of ways an owner can abuse their engine and cause early wear. I mentioned SEVERE SERVICE previously as one. There's millions of high mileage engines out there whose owners did not follow your advice, and did not have premature wear. Your going to have to do a lot better by providing actual data that supports your claims, before anyone with half a brain will see them as credible...
No, you don't get to make credible claims without backing them up with evidence. Those 'pieces of metal' were not signs of wear while breaking in your engine. They were bits of machining residue that occur in every new engine, that the oil picked up and trapped in the filter on the first pass through. There's no possibility such pieces would not be caught on the first pass by even the cheapest filter and removed from circulation. Also, your claim every engine needs multiple oil changes in the first 5000-miles or so has no evidence to support it. Finding 'residue' in your filter doesn't 'demonstrate' anything, other than the filter is doing exactly what it's supposed to do... Millions of cars and trucks have significantly exceeded 300,000 miles without 'premature wear' caused by not changing their oil so many times during break-in. To demonstrate your unsupported claim, you need to provide actual evidence that documented and compared the wear profiles of owners' engines which followed your advice vs those who did not. You say Lake Speed has such 'proof'. Why don't you provide it then? There's lots of ways owners can shorten the lifespan of their engines. The BIGGEST one is SEVERE SERVICE. Essentially short commutes are the worst thing you can do to your engine, as they don't get engine oil to full operating temperature long enough to boil off the unburned fuel, moisture, and combustion by-products that pass by the rings on every combustion stroke. (FYI - Piston rings are typically fully broken in within 500-miles or so.) Engine oil takes significantly longer to get to 200-deg. F. than does engine coolant. And this is worse in cold winter months. You need at least 20-miles or so of highway driving after the coolant temp. is up to get the oil hot enough to boil off these contaminants, and even then you need to shorten the oil change frequency, as advised by the owner's manual for Severe Service.
@garymaclean6903 Gary quit being a Karen and go watch Lake Speed Jr's video that I have posted in my description. I don't have time to go back and forth reading your ranting. Lol Relax and have a good night before you stroke out.
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING So now name-calling is your sharpest tool??? Not surprising you don't want to respond to me when I raise questions regarding the logic of your claims. The reality seems that you can't back up your claims with anything like actual evidence. Or you would have... I know the benefits of an oil analysis, and fully agree with having one done periodically to see what's going on with your oil. You didn't mention anything about you doing one on your engine. Where are your results? Or are you just dumping your oil because you found machining bits in your filter, with no actual evidence of how good, or bad, your oil actually is? BTW - It is totally 'normal' for an engine's oil to show somewhat higher levels of iron, copper, bronze, silicon, aluminum, etc. that show 'signs of wear' during break-in. That's exactly how an engine breaks-in. The question remains - do these normal break-in 'signs of wear' demonstrate there's harm being done to your engine? Does break-in harm your engine? THAT'S what you need to demonstrate...!!!
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING whatever it doesnt catch it wont be that bad, I am an auto mechanic and aircraft mechanic, 500 miles oil change is your decision which i never said dont do it, all i said was it is not necessary
@@minhnguyen-mk9om. I get ya, I kinda think this good you-tube guy’s philosophy is good, but one can go a bit overboard. I bought some Mobil OW-20 advanced fuel economy on special and that’s more than good enough. The owner’s manual for NZ is 20. For USA is 16. Every single oil change video I’ve watched has their own angle and all are well intentioned. The bottom line is do it regularly. For me I do it every 8k km. But yah I know doing it double the frequency is probably unnecessary, more peace of mind for me. I bought my 2024 Rav 4 Hybrid in May. Cheers.
@minhnguyen-mk9om watch Lake Speed Jr's video regarding this, and he proves it with scientific facts. His video is in the description. Science, not speculation, is what he preaches.
they dont tell you because you dont need to change after 500 miles, sure if you want to change your oil every week that would be fantastic if you can afford it, have you ever ever seen any engine didnt change oil after 500 miles that went bad? hello
@minhnguyen-mk9om Don't take my word about the 500-mile oil change that's fine, but all the professionals who build engines for a living all do an engine break in oil change.
Changed My Rav 4 at 1200miles for the first change, filter looked about the same as yours. Second change had 2 flakes. Been clean since. Break in metals, adhesives, sealants, shop dust, machining particles and highest level of combustion products while the rings seal up, so much crap in a first change. The first one is the most important.
You are right that 1st one is very important! Thanks for watching, please Like & Subscribe.
I'm watching while my 2024 Rav4 Hybrid Limited has 207 miles on it. Perfect time for this to show up in my feed. :)
It will help your car in the long run. Thanks for watching, please like and subscribe I have tons of RAV4 content.
Thank You, Mr. Melton. This is exactly what I needed to see. I plan to get the same exact model as you have and you and I have the same goals of making it last. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
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I really like the Oil Filter Magnet idea. Thanks for presenting this. The Filter Magnet does not discriminate iron particle size like the oil filter does. IE Toyota engine oil filter is around Beta 20, 95% @ 20 Microns, meaning the oil filter media captures 95% of all particles larger than 20 um. A really good engine oil filter with Beta Rating of 75, 98.6% vs 95% Efficient at 20 UM captures 90% more particles than a 95% Efficient Filter. The Oil Filter media catches other things as well, like dirt from changing the oil, combustion products, carbon particles that get by the piston rings and silicates from road dust escaping through your air filter, these especially are very abrasive and also in large sizes, well over 50 um.
The Magnetic Filter on your filter is capable of capturing up to 100% of all metal particles, all sizes and shapes. Magnetic Filtration is a powerful tool/method of reducing engine wear, does not discriminate particle size like the oil filter media does, magnet get all sizes.
The benefit is that using a high efficient engine oil filter and the filter magnet, you can also use a Rare Earth,Neodymium SS Drain Plug magnet, [VOTEX, Toyota Part No: DP006 M12x1.25mm] then you are capturing & preventing these particles from being pumped through the engine bearings & lubrication system, and at the rate of 7-9 GPM.
Good & Efficient filtration captures & reduces the particle sizes flowing in the oil while engine running, it is capturing the particles that cause excessive wear. The metal particles are being pumped at 60 PSI constantly through the bearings. By capturing the larger wear particles using good filtration, you could effectively reduce wear and extend engine life up to 5 times, yes...beyond 1,000,000 miles. I really like your Engine Break in Video, trapping and cleaning the engine with the short drain interval oil changes and using the filter magnet is very effective in extending the useful life of your engine. Well done! Thanks
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I'm soon going to get a brand new MX-5 and i'm going to do the same if not very similar procedure (using Break-in mineral high zddp oil and doing at least 3 changes). The thing is, if you are on leasing or buying this car and planning it to have it for the next 5 or 10 years, you might not care as much and it would make sense to follow the manual. On the other hand if you would like to keep this car to last for 20 or 30 years with 300 or 500k miles, this is the way to go i think.
I hope this is my last car because they are expensive. lol
Great video. I appreciate how you explain everything so clearly. Thank you very much.
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I changed my RAV4 oil at the first 500 miles too. The dealership changed it for free the first year every 5k miles stating they didn't agree with Toyota's 10k oil change policy. Toyota states that they break in the engine at the factory. Change your oil and it'll run 300k miles.
That's pretty bad the Toyota dealer don't agree with Toyota. lol I appreciate your comment. Thanks for watching, please Like & Subscribe. I'm trying to reach 10k subs before I kick the bucket.
I changed mine at 1k. It had plenty of metal shine. So it definitely helps to get that oil out! I will change again in 2500, then 5k. Then 5k intervals if it looks good. Always use 💯 % synthetic! You will be good to go! Alot of people just gas and go. That's bad not to at least change the oil! I have seen black air filters! 😮
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At least you’re not preaching AMS oil.
Good video.
@johnmartin7158 AMS OIL is a great oil, but not changing your oil for a year is a Joke! Lol
Can I get an AMEN? Hahaha 😆
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@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING God bless you Matthew. One year even for me is ridiculous. Thanks for sharing your views about oil changes. I do mine every 8000km which I think is equivalent to 5000m. I have to be careful in NZ of using the Fram oil filter as if anything went wrong Toyota NZ will find any excuses not to pay and make my warranty void.
Cheers Ak, NZ.
It's the best oil but I still change at 5-7k miles
@@Piznick64 I was a bit tongue-in-cheek. Like I meant, don’t live next door to an Amsoil or Amsway consultant. They’ll be knocking on your door regularly preaching the product.
I do 3 oil changes before 5k miles. 1st at 1k, then at 3k, the rest at 4k. Engine is smooth and quiet.(2021).
i changed my engine after 7000 miles it still runs smooth too,
@@minhnguyen-mk9omlol
What a colossal waste of resources!
i changed oil every between 5k to 7k synthetic engine is smooth and quiet too
Thanks. Now I feel vindicated. At 69 my 1st new car is a 24 rav4. I had the 1st oil change between 5 and 6 hundred mi. The dealership folks without saying so seemed to think it was early. I grew up with the 3 or 3 rule.my next was planned at 5000 or 6 months. At less than 2 months as of tonight 10 / 06 / 24 I've passed 4800 mi. I'll have it done maybe next weekend. I still work 40 + hrs a week. Thanks again.. (With toyota oil). You have answered another oil question. Bill
You really did prove the valid claims made by those magnets over oil filters. Also noticed in my Walmart Pennzoil synthetic has come out with a 0W-16. Pennzoil has tested out better than Mobil 1 in other weights.
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Good job, very informative.
My '25 Lexus NX hybrid oil changes will be at 500, 1500 and 5000...then 5000 after that OR six months.
Great video! Thanks
Shouldn't you also do the break in oil change on the transmission? I'm sure there'll be lots of metal shavings there, as well.
Yes, I totally agree with changing the transmission fluid out earlier, then recommend by Toyota. Fluid is cheap compared to replacing the transmission.
Differentials!!! I was shocked at the black gear oil that came out of the rear diff (AWD) at 3,000. Took 3 drains to clean it out
Our daughter just bought a 2018 RAV4, only 21,845 kms (13,543 Miles) here in May, 2024. This vehicle owned by an elderly couple that did not drive it very far, all short city trips or very often, Ontario Canada. I am thinking about what condition the transmission oil would be in. I decided to do a complete service the automatic transmission. The service shop pulled the trans drain pan off and he called me to come in and see the debris captured by the transmission drain pan magnets, there are four and they are removable so can be cleaned. We both were surprised, the surface of the four magnets was completely covered with very small metal particles surrounded with a light grey metallic greasy film. So, just over six years since new, never serviced as low kms on vehicle and only 21,845 kms. So glad we got this trans serviced now. Finding the full magnets and colour of the oil was surprising!
The complete auto Transmission fill for a 2018 RAV4 is 6.9 Qts, when you drain the transmission you only get out 2.9 Qts. So when your Toyota Dealer does a transmission service, they only get out 2.9 Qts, still 4 Qts left in the system. Some owners will do this 3x method of servicing the trans oil 3x {Take for a 20 Minute Drive between drains] in one day, you get most of the old oil out. It is effective and you can do it yourself. I recommend taking off the drain pan and cleaning the pan and magnets first , then do two more drains and refill.
Put the drain pan back on and fill with 3 Qts new oil. Remove the trans oil cooler return line add a piece of 3/8" clear plastic hose and and put into a bucket on the floor. Now start the engine and the torq converter will pump out the used oil through the cooler lines and rad cooler back into the bucket.
This method of using the engine running to pump out the used oil still in the torque converter and cooler lines and rad cooler is 100% effective. You need to shut off the engine and top up the oil in the trans a couple times as the oil in trans level will get low. do this until you see nice clean oil coming out of the return line, then shut off the engine and properly top off the trans oil level using the Toyota method.
Just did a break i oil change on my sons new civic today at 700 miles. Gonna go hacksaw that filter open and see what we see.
Awesome, let me know the results John! Thanks for Watching! Please LIKE & SUB it really helps me out.
Great video and thank you , I have Rav4 Hybrid 2023 ,the first oil change I took to the Toyota Dealer in Portugal for my surprise they put the 0W-20 instead of the 0W-16 I questioned why and the answer I got was Portugal is a hot country in the Summer and Toyota Portugal decided that 0w-20 is the best choice , which completley disagree , because the manual says the right oil 0w-16 only if case is not available it can be youse the 0w-20 , I´m realy frustrated with this situation.
I know this sounds bad but when I go to get any service done I secretly record everything because I no longer trust people and the BS they will tell you. lol Thanks for watching , please Like & Subscribe. :)
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Exactly the same happens in Greece
My manual says 0W-20 and I put 0W-30
The Factory 0w-16 recommendation is somewhat political based, absolutely nothing to do with the reliability or extending useful life of the engine. . From my prospective as a Reliability Engineer, using a higher viscosity oil, going up one grade to a 0w-20 improves reliability and will extend the useful life of your engine. This is proven using Oil Condition Monitoring, sampling the oil using a Lab to trend iron & other wear particles, by quantity and size in each ml of the used oil. I have been sampling used oil since the early 80's. Upgrading the oil one viscosity grade will greatly extend the useful life of your engine, period. Especially more effective as the mileage increases.
Please make more you tubes about your rav4
Thanks for the well explained video Matthew. Looking at all the metallic particles caught by the magnet and the filter media it looks like a good idea to change the oil early as you did. Were the bigger pieces in the pleats ferrous or aluminium? Be interested to see how you get on with oil analysis in the future - have subscribed. I change the oil on my 2019 Rav4 hybrid every 6 months (approx 3000 miles) as it is used for shorter local journeys and the oil smells of gasoline after that amount of time.
28 ft lbs for the drain plug. Good video!
Thank you Brady! I appreciate you watching and for the torq spec I always forget and have to google it. lol Please Like & Sub I'm trying to reach 10,000 subs and I'm a long ways away. lol Have a great night!
The magnet trick and Toyota source oil only is not gonna hurt. I'm going with the car nut1000 mile break oil filter, store 0-16 Mobil Mahe oil filter 5000 miles oil change or once a year.
they sell the valve cover that you talking about if you go in toyota that is made for lowering the noise of the engine.. but they cut cost in my c hr toyota hybrid they took off too but is the same engine of prius corolla and other 1.8 and toyota selling you if you want just pap on the valve cover, theres allready some stuff ready to pup on them
Pretty much all car manufacturers deliberately push the oil change service interval to 10-15k so that they can do the bare minimum all the while its nearing the end of the vehicles factory service warranty! And unknowingly to the consumers that follows the manufacturers service intervals are inadvertently causing the engine to wear out prematurely that then leads to oil burning! Almost all modern cars have direct injection engines which causes oil dilltion which thins out the oil which causes all of these problems to begin with. My family bought a 2005 Honda Odyssey brand new and the dealer recommended 15k oil changes for its service interval; safe to say we stuck with 5k oci at minimum and every third oil change we took it to the dealer. We still have the Odyssey today at 280k with no issues except for VCM oil burning issues which was remedied quickly with a vcm mzzler. I guess people nowadays don't bother with doing any thing this preventive nowadays because they don't plan on keeping the vehicle long term. Anyways, I appreciate how you explain everything concisely and clearly!
Good summary.
Hey I really appreciate the kind words! I tried my best to show people proof in this video so people will see for themselves but you always have a few that wanna fuss and act like your crazy. lol I like doing maintenance work on my cars it is rewarding when it pays off.
280k miles is amazing!!! Thanks for watching, please LIKE & SUB I need all the help I can get. :)
@@moorefacts6605 Thank you so much!
Kevin, you nailed it, very well explained, Thanks!
100 % right
I appreciate it!
Great Video. Where did you get the ramps? Thanks
Thank you! Here are some similar to mine on Amazon for $66--- amzn.to/3XH89NW Thanks for watching, please LIKE & SUB.
AMD does tell you to change oil after break in.
I agree with that I just do it a few extra times to flush out as many wear particles as possible. Thanks for watching! Please Like & Subscribe I need all the help I can get.
Not sure about you car but the 23 and up highlanders have a cover design that lets air go between the engine and the cover. So you wouldn’t want to take that one off. Just something to check on.
On how many miles you recomend transmission oil and how many miles you recomend rear differential oil change awd on new 2024 rav4 . Thank you
I'll probably have my transmission fluid changed pretty early just in case they change it and my transmission starts having problems, then it will still be under warranty. As far as differential fluid I don't worry about that since mine is a fwd model.
Hi Matthew, really enjoyed your informative and well put together video, well done and thanks. I run a 2021 rav 4 hybrid currently on 17500 miles. Totally dealer serviced but after watching your video I wish I had serviced it myself !! One thing I have noticed over the last year is oil dilution which I imagine is caused by my short journeys ? Is this something you have knowledge of Matthew ?
@user-hk3lr5pr5s thanks for the kind words! I appreciate you watching! The only thing I know fow oil dilution is to take longer trips every couple of days or change your oil more frequently.
Your dealer took you for a ride on that oil. My dealer sells that oil for 5.45 all the day. No minimum purchase.
I called 5 or 6 dealers and even looked on eBay and Amazon and couldn't find it cheaper. What is your dealerships name and location?
On how many miles you gonna change transmission oil how many miles you think ??
Car Care Nut says 60k for AT?
He didn't say Toyota makes it's own. He said Mobil 1 puts different additives into the Toyota Oil when it makes it.
Ive seen a lot of these videos where they cut the oil filter and look inside. but isnt that the job of the oil filter to begin with? so it doesn't circulate through the engine. changing the oil is cheap so why not but i haven't seen any videos after the 2nd oils change to see if there is anything in the filter.
@ryanmac7377 There are always going to be wear particles inside your engine, but they are substantially higher during those first 10,000 miles because everything is being broken in, and that's when most engine wear occurs. So I'm gonna change my oil a lot more in those first 10,000 miles and then every 5,000 miles after that.
I will give more video updates on my findings because it's unbelievable just how much metal you will collect.
That dadgum Toyota…..
Given the situation with the engines in the new Tundra, I wouldn’t be surprised if that debris you found in the oil filter was left over from the manufacturing process of the Rav4 engines.
Hahaha it is actually pretty normal for a new engine to have this much break-in fragments in the the oil and filter it just makes us all scared to see it on our $30,000+ personal investments. lol Thanks for watching, please like and subscribe because I have lots of RAV4 content. Have a great night!
My Dealer uses Mobil 1 0-16 W also?
those engine are already tested you don't even need to go slowly for the first thousand miles no more....i thing always gona find this metal stuff in the filter even if it is supposed to stop them is just normal usage of the engine, i mean not because is a new engine, but the way is not a bad idea this is an extra care that you do. and silicon is contained in the oil toyota oil have more than other brands, more than mobil 1 that make the oil for toyota but the recipe is different for toyota, i saw a result of oils tests with all the mineral and stuff inside brand new oil.. and they have silicone inside and also toyota have more additive than mobil 1 but i understood that they are not the same even if mobil 1 make the toyota oil.
everything is going to be ok...can I leave now.
do whatever you want puss boy. lol
This one is just another paranoid guy.
@Roberto-nj5yr science not speculation Roberto.
Aluminum Heads, Block and Pistons. Aluminum not magnetic!
@fords8433 That's true, but you seen all of the ferous metal that the magnets picked up. That's even less wear particles floating around your oil and taking up room in the filter. The more things you can do to prevent wear the better.
"They don't tell you" to change your oil 'early', because you don't have to. Where's your actual evidence? Did you do an oil analysis? Many manufacturers install a specific 'break-in oil' that helps the engine break in. Break-in involves 'lapping' moving parts to remove high spots so that all parts have minimum friction while creating optimal seal of the rings that is CRUCIAL to the designed compression ratio with minimal oil consumption. Remove this oil early and the break-in won't proceed as it's supposed to...
"Oil filters won't catch all particles on first pass"...??? Where do you get this info? Filter elements are designed to have specific gaps to catch suspended particles. These gaps don't change significantly, so if a particle is big enough to be caught, it likely will get caught on the first pass.
Magnets aren't a bad idea. Just remember that much of the wear surfaces on modern engines is NOT Iron. It's typically aluminum, bronze, chrome, silicon, etc. that a magnet has ZERO effect on. Cylinders typically have treated aluminum bores with aluminum/silicon pistons. Bearings, valve-guides, etc. are typically bronze and-or copper alloys. None of this is attracted to a magnet, no matter how strong it is... Those wear items will remain in the oil until it passes through the filter. The few Iron wear surfaces in modern engines are often only the piston rings. Most of the particles you found in the filter would not have made it past the filter element... Yes, you would expect some machining residue in a new engine, but engine wear DOES NOT OCCUR in chunks big enough to see... Every modern filter will catch that before they circulate. If there are pieces after the initial change it's more likely due to a failed bearing or other component...
'Beauty covers' are also effective sound absorbers...
Crush washers are designed as SINGLE USE...
The BIGGEST cause of wear in most engines is SEVERE SERVICE. Short commutes are deadly for engine life. Essentially all the moisture, unburned fuel, and combustion by-products that blow-by the rings on every combustion stroke will accumulate and cause sludge in cold oil. You must have regular extended highway runs of 20-miles or more to get the oil to full operating temperature long enough to boil off these combustion by-products before they start to accumulate and degrade your oil's lubricating ability. More frequent oil changes will help, but not as much as highway miles will.
Gary, you obviously didn't watch the entire video or pay much attention. The reason I change my oil 4 times in the 1st 5000 miles is based off science not speculation and Lake Speed Jr proved it. Watch his video in my description he is a tribologist and owns his own oil analysis company. You are correct that magnets pic up steel. But I also ran a better filtering oil filter with good flow characteristics to pick up most of the other contaminants and wear particles and changing the oil several times in the 1st few thousand miles just cleans a lot of the wear particles out from break in. These engines don't have break in oil in them. They are factory filled with 0w16 Toyota Oil just like I used and was tested by Lake Speed Jr.
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING What science? Where's the actual evidence that changing your oil 4 times in 5,0000-mi. actually made any difference in how long your engine lasts? Science means using evidence to establish a principle. Again, what evidence?
You have not demonstrated that the small flakes found in your filter weren't simply machining residue that occurs in every engine ever put in a vehicle, and which gets caught in their first pass through the filter. Had you shown similar evidence after the second or third oil change you might have something, but you didn't. You just made the clearly unsupported assumption these chunks of metal constantly flow through your engine during break-in, and you need to change your oil frequently to 'save your engine'. Sorry, but assumptions without actual evidence are exactly that - unsupported assumptions.
Similarly, you assume manufacturers don't know how to look after their engines, and every owner who doesn't follow your advice is doomed for early engine failure. Frankly there are lots of ways an owner can abuse their engine and cause early wear. I mentioned SEVERE SERVICE previously as one. There's millions of high mileage engines out there whose owners did not follow your advice, and did not have premature wear.
Your going to have to do a lot better by providing actual data that supports your claims, before anyone with half a brain will see them as credible...
No, you don't get to make credible claims without backing them up with evidence. Those 'pieces of metal' were not signs of wear while breaking in your engine. They were bits of machining residue that occur in every new engine, that the oil picked up and trapped in the filter on the first pass through. There's no possibility such pieces would not be caught on the first pass by even the cheapest filter and removed from circulation.
Also, your claim every engine needs multiple oil changes in the first 5000-miles or so has no evidence to support it. Finding 'residue' in your filter doesn't 'demonstrate' anything, other than the filter is doing exactly what it's supposed to do...
Millions of cars and trucks have significantly exceeded 300,000 miles without 'premature wear' caused by not changing their oil so many times during break-in. To demonstrate your unsupported claim, you need to provide actual evidence that documented and compared the wear profiles of owners' engines which followed your advice vs those who did not. You say Lake Speed has such 'proof'. Why don't you provide it then?
There's lots of ways owners can shorten the lifespan of their engines. The BIGGEST one is SEVERE SERVICE. Essentially short commutes are the worst thing you can do to your engine, as they don't get engine oil to full operating temperature long enough to boil off the unburned fuel, moisture, and combustion by-products that pass by the rings on every combustion stroke. (FYI - Piston rings are typically fully broken in within 500-miles or so.) Engine oil takes significantly longer to get to 200-deg. F. than does engine coolant. And this is worse in cold winter months. You need at least 20-miles or so of highway driving after the coolant temp. is up to get the oil hot enough to boil off these contaminants, and even then you need to shorten the oil change frequency, as advised by the owner's manual for Severe Service.
@garymaclean6903 Gary quit being a Karen and go watch Lake Speed Jr's video that I have posted in my description. I don't have time to go back and forth reading your ranting. Lol
Relax and have a good night before you stroke out.
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING So now name-calling is your sharpest tool???
Not surprising you don't want to respond to me when I raise questions regarding the logic of your claims. The reality seems that you can't back up your claims with anything like actual evidence. Or you would have...
I know the benefits of an oil analysis, and fully agree with having one done periodically to see what's going on with your oil. You didn't mention anything about you doing one on your engine. Where are your results? Or are you just dumping your oil because you found machining bits in your filter, with no actual evidence of how good, or bad, your oil actually is?
BTW - It is totally 'normal' for an engine's oil to show somewhat higher levels of iron, copper, bronze, silicon, aluminum, etc. that show 'signs of wear' during break-in. That's exactly how an engine breaks-in. The question remains - do these normal break-in 'signs of wear' demonstrate there's harm being done to your engine? Does break-in harm your engine? THAT'S what you need to demonstrate...!!!
Toyota just don't make their own oil you are very wrong sir
Toyota's 0w-16 oil is made by Mobile to Toyota's specifications. It has a really heafty additive package compared to other oils.
6:40 Thank me later
TK Sir great video
Hey I appreciate that! Please like & sub I need all the help I can get. :)
there is no recirculating particles in the engine because of the oil filter, hello
@minhnguyen-mk9om if you think the oil filter catches everything you are delusional. Look at the drain plug 🧲.
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING whatever it doesnt catch it wont be that bad, I am an auto mechanic and aircraft mechanic, 500 miles oil change is your decision which i never said dont do it, all i said was it is not necessary
@@minhnguyen-mk9om. I get ya, I kinda think this good you-tube guy’s philosophy is good, but one can go a bit overboard. I bought some Mobil OW-20 advanced fuel economy on special and that’s more than good enough. The owner’s manual for NZ is 20. For USA is 16. Every single oil change video I’ve watched has their own angle and all are well intentioned. The bottom line is do it regularly.
For me I do it every 8k km. But yah I know doing it double the frequency is probably unnecessary, more peace of mind for me. I bought my 2024 Rav 4 Hybrid in May.
Cheers.
@minhnguyen-mk9om watch Lake Speed Jr's video regarding this, and he proves it with scientific facts. His video is in the description. Science, not speculation, is what he preaches.
they dont tell you because you dont need to change after 500 miles, sure if you want to change your oil every week that would be fantastic if you can afford it, have you ever ever seen any engine didnt change oil after 500 miles that went bad? hello
@minhnguyen-mk9om Don't take my word about the 500-mile oil change that's fine, but all the professionals who build engines for a living all do an engine break in oil change.
@@matthewmeltonTEAMMELTONFISHING yes there are some particles from new engine but they are all trapped in the oil filter