Love your detailed and very helpful explanations of the differences and answering the many why’s I had when I started and couldn’t find in any of the videos I watched. Your video reinforced my understanding with the little experience I have so far with making pourovers. Thank you and keep up the good work! 😊
Some good points, but one of the main benefits of the V60 is less variation (as a percentage) in the depth of the coffee bed, with varying amounts of coffee. For many coffee nerds, the depth of the coffee bed is important for a tasty cup. Also, V60 papers are everywhere, including Amazon. I have a ceramic V60, that sits in my closet, I have been using the plastic ones for many years, they are very inexpensive and they are extremely durable. There are many ways to make good coffee, and as long as you find a way that works, life is good!
I've been playing around with the Kalita Wave after using a Chemex for my main pour over brewing method. The questions that I have is what recipe do you use when brewing? How many g's? Timing and size of pours?
Good question! So, before I jump into recipe, the main thing to keep in mind transitioning from Chemex to Kalita is grind size. You’ll go finer with the Wave due to the differences in filtration. This is my go-to recipe: 20g coffee beans, ground to a medium-fine setting 1:15 ratio coffee to water (300g out at 94°C) 1. Start by blooming with 60ml of water and wait for 30 seconds. Make sure to fully saturate the coffee bed. 2. After 30 seconds, pour the next 60ml in a spiral motion and stir to settle the grounds. 3. At the 1 minute mark, pour 60ml again in a spiral motion. No agitation. 4. At 1:30mins, pour the remaining 120ml in a consistent, center, slow stream. 5. It should be drained between 2:45 to 3mins. 6. Serve and enjoy! Note: as the Autumn weather sets in, I also prefer to pre-heat my cups for better temperature retention. Hope this helps!
@@lizhappybeans thanks Liz. Yeah I’ve been dialing in grind size on my Encore ESP. It’s been a tad challenging and I’m getting there. Will try your timing next time. It’s been quite a journey trying to pull it all together into a beautiful and bright cup.
the kalita wave has a huge clogging issue, you're constantly wanting to go finer on the grind size but at the same time fearing it will be too fine and clog it and the wave design traps grinds also making it extract less evenly
This can be true! I've found that I need to grind coarser for Kalita than V60 to avoid having this issue, with this in mind, the brews rarely clog and the taste is fantastic!
I currently brew with a v60 and a clever dripper. Now I will order a kalita to test your conclusions, which make sense. I personally love the clever dripper, it is consistent and forgiving as well. Best method on clever dripper is to put water in first then add coffee. Makes an excellent cup. Keep up the good work. Btw the coffee bar looks great good job.
Yes! I hope you enjoy the Kalita as well! Each brewer definitely has their pros and cons and I love them all for different purposes. I also really enjoy the Clever dripper! What a convenient brewer that is. I use it exactly as you describe, especially when brewing 2 or more cups. And thank you! It’s an ever growing work in progress but in love with the current state of the coffee bar 💛
I was thinking of getting the sandstone kalita wave, but wasn’t sure if I should since I already have a v60. But if the kalita is more forgiving I will definitively buy one! It’s too early in the morning to be fighting with the v60 haha great video btw!
Hahaha I hear you! Leave the V60 for when you’re well awake and rested, or for the funky, weird coffees you wanna play around with. I’ve found the Kalita is a safe option to brew coffee before you’ve had your coffee in the morning 😆
I don't have a Kalita but I do own an April brewer. Overall, I really like it but my deal breaker are the filters. I personally get a very strong paper aftertaste from the Kalita filters, and the ones April make are just too expensive. With Hario you can get Cafec's filters which are fantastic and cost as much as the Hario tabbed ones. For me, it's enough to be a deal breaker for flat bottom filters. Edit: 1. Where I live, there are no alternatives to Kalita filters. 2. The Cafec filters are a massive improvement over the tabbed Hario filters. They significantly reduce the chance for clogging.
Amazing input! Thanks for sharing! Do you get that after taste even if you rinse the filter prior to brewing? (this is out of pure curiosity on my end)
@@lizhappybeans Thanks for the reply, and for the video! Yes, I tried rinsing it under the sink and then with some hot water to ensure I get rid of the taste, but I just can't seem to do it. I guess I'm just sensitive.
I have fallen in love with the UFO dripper. It bridges the gap between flat and V60. It is so forgiving vs the stalling that drives me crazy with the kalita.
Thanks for the comparison. Wondering if you tried a different flat bed brewer? I have an Oreo v3. Also have you tried the Origami? It works with V60-style papers and similarly low contact you mention for the Kalimantan. On top, the Origami also works with Kapitän-style flat filters. Thus, very versatile…just the design in two pieces is not my favorite but still not a dealbreaker.
These are two brewers I haven’t had a chance to try yet but would absolutely love to! Thank you for this comment. I’ll do my best to get my hands on those and do a full comparison among brewers! Also, the aesthetics of Origami are just 🤌🏼🤩
Thank you so much for this video , Liz! I always enjoy your stuff, but this one seems extra pertinent because I've been thinking about the v60. After watching, I'm seriously thinking about a kalita. Do you know if either one of these brewer shapes come in a collapsible version for more compact travel?
You are so welcome! Honestly, as far as I'm aware, neither the Kalita or the V60 comes in a collapsible version. However, for quick setup and travel, you could do with a Pourigami. I made a short video about it a while ago, you can watch it here: ua-cam.com/users/shortsfzdyxHHhMwA?si=WimI0qvlZBKyn7tb Shoot me a message if you've got any questions!
Love your detailed and very helpful explanations of the differences and answering the many why’s I had when I started and couldn’t find in any of the videos I watched. Your video reinforced my understanding with the little experience I have so far with making pourovers. Thank you and keep up the good work! 😊
Amazing! Thank you for sharing! ❤️
Some good points, but one of the main benefits of the V60 is less variation (as a percentage) in the depth of the coffee bed, with varying amounts of coffee. For many coffee nerds, the depth of the coffee bed is important for a tasty cup. Also, V60 papers are everywhere, including Amazon. I have a ceramic V60, that sits in my closet, I have been using the plastic ones for many years, they are very inexpensive and they are extremely durable. There are many ways to make good coffee, and as long as you find a way that works, life is good!
100% agreed! The most important part of finding the best fit for you. Thank you for watching and providing your input, I love to read it! ☕️
I've been playing around with the Kalita Wave after using a Chemex for my main pour over brewing method.
The questions that I have is what recipe do you use when brewing? How many g's? Timing and size of pours?
Good question! So, before I jump into recipe, the main thing to keep in mind transitioning from Chemex to Kalita is grind size. You’ll go finer with the Wave due to the differences in filtration.
This is my go-to recipe:
20g coffee beans, ground to a medium-fine setting
1:15 ratio coffee to water (300g out at 94°C)
1. Start by blooming with 60ml of water and wait for 30 seconds. Make sure to fully saturate the coffee bed.
2. After 30 seconds, pour the next 60ml in a spiral motion and stir to settle the grounds.
3. At the 1 minute mark, pour 60ml again in a spiral motion. No agitation.
4. At 1:30mins, pour the remaining 120ml in a consistent, center, slow stream.
5. It should be drained between 2:45 to 3mins.
6. Serve and enjoy!
Note: as the Autumn weather sets in, I also prefer to pre-heat my cups for better temperature retention.
Hope this helps!
@@lizhappybeans thanks Liz. Yeah I’ve been dialing in grind size on my Encore ESP. It’s been a tad challenging and I’m getting there.
Will try your timing next time. It’s been quite a journey trying to pull it all together into a beautiful and bright cup.
@@lizhappybeans did you mean 130 ml in step 4 - taking it to 300 ml of water total?
@@SteveVencl oh! Yes! I’m sorry, I meant 120ml in step 4. I’ll edit above so it’s correct 👍
the kalita wave has a huge clogging issue,
you're constantly wanting to go finer on the grind size but at the same time fearing it will be too fine and clog it
and the wave design traps grinds also making it extract less evenly
This can be true! I've found that I need to grind coarser for Kalita than V60 to avoid having this issue, with this in mind, the brews rarely clog and the taste is fantastic!
I currently brew with a v60 and a clever dripper. Now I will order a kalita to test your conclusions, which make sense. I personally love the clever dripper, it is consistent and forgiving as well. Best method on clever dripper is to put water in first then add coffee. Makes an excellent cup. Keep up the good work. Btw the coffee bar looks great good job.
Yes! I hope you enjoy the Kalita as well! Each brewer definitely has their pros and cons and I love them all for different purposes. I also really enjoy the Clever dripper! What a convenient brewer that is. I use it exactly as you describe, especially when brewing 2 or more cups.
And thank you! It’s an ever growing work in progress but in love with the current state of the coffee bar 💛
I was absolutely shocked at how good the easy driper is, i seriously threw it away.
Kalita 102 now, ,V60 is hiding in garage 😆
Clever driper
@@Pollyanna-cc3et I’m curious as to why you threw away such a good dripper. ?
@@billpiotter8190 frustrated by how easy it was
Love the video! Thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching! ☺️❤️ see you around for more
I was thinking of getting the sandstone kalita wave, but wasn’t sure if I should since I already have a v60. But if the kalita is more forgiving I will definitively buy one! It’s too early in the morning to be fighting with the v60 haha great video btw!
Hahaha I hear you! Leave the V60 for when you’re well awake and rested, or for the funky, weird coffees you wanna play around with. I’ve found the Kalita is a safe option to brew coffee before you’ve had your coffee in the morning 😆
I don't have a Kalita but I do own an April brewer. Overall, I really like it but my deal breaker are the filters. I personally get a very strong paper aftertaste from the Kalita filters, and the ones April make are just too expensive. With Hario you can get Cafec's filters which are fantastic and cost as much as the Hario tabbed ones. For me, it's enough to be a deal breaker for flat bottom filters.
Edit:
1. Where I live, there are no alternatives to Kalita filters.
2. The Cafec filters are a massive improvement over the tabbed Hario filters. They significantly reduce the chance for clogging.
Amazing input! Thanks for sharing!
Do you get that after taste even if you rinse the filter prior to brewing? (this is out of pure curiosity on my end)
@@lizhappybeans Thanks for the reply, and for the video!
Yes, I tried rinsing it under the sink and then with some hot water to ensure I get rid of the taste, but I just can't seem to do it. I guess I'm just sensitive.
I have fallen in love with the UFO dripper. It bridges the gap between flat and V60. It is so forgiving vs the stalling that drives me crazy with the kalita.
I have heard wonderful things about it! Really considering getting one to try ❤️
The UFO looks like a solid alternative. I’d like to see it compared to these two, and the Origami!
Thanks for the comparison. Wondering if you tried a different flat bed brewer? I have an Oreo v3. Also have you tried the Origami? It works with V60-style papers and similarly low contact you mention for the Kalimantan. On top, the Origami also works with Kapitän-style flat filters. Thus, very versatile…just the design in two pieces is not my favorite but still not a dealbreaker.
These are two brewers I haven’t had a chance to try yet but would absolutely love to! Thank you for this comment. I’ll do my best to get my hands on those and do a full comparison among brewers! Also, the aesthetics of Origami are just 🤌🏼🤩
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Thank you so much for this video , Liz! I always enjoy your stuff, but this one seems extra pertinent because I've been thinking about the v60. After watching, I'm seriously thinking about a kalita. Do you know if either one of these brewer shapes come in a collapsible version for more compact travel?
You are so welcome! Honestly, as far as I'm aware, neither the Kalita or the V60 comes in a collapsible version. However, for quick setup and travel, you could do with a Pourigami. I made a short video about it a while ago, you can watch it here: ua-cam.com/users/shortsfzdyxHHhMwA?si=WimI0qvlZBKyn7tb
Shoot me a message if you've got any questions!