I have a 2019 Tiger 800 Xrt for 9 months and 6500 km and saw a similar video before buying it, fortunately I haven't had any problems with my tiger and really love it.
One of the best bike reviews that I have ever watched and I have watched a lot. I had an tiger 800 xc in 2011 and would say that it was one of the best bikes that I ever had and I am now thinking of another one. Thanks for honest review. It was the screen that had put me off slightly but it seems that the screen on yours is the answer.
Thanks for the feedback. I've already had the display, switchgear and headlight replaced under warranty, the indicator also has damp in it so that's next and Leanna's cam chain tensioner in hers has just failed.
11:08 As someone who owned a 2013 and 2015 Tiger 800 for a combined 70.000km and is now about 1,5 years and 18.000km into riding a Tiger 1200 I can't find fault with your arguments in favour of the 800. But I do feel that as an instructor who presumably spends a lot of time in the saddle you'd be able to appreciate the extra comfort the 1200 provides, not to mention the extra manoeuvrability. With more steering lock and better ground clearance for the footpegs the 1200 will turn much shorter and actually feels more nimble than an 800 in spite of weighing significantly more.
Very helpful video. Proper independent and honest review. I do find the gushing reviews you get from some UA-camrs are obviously missing the cons out, when covering the bike. I’m trying to decide between 800/1200 and BMW or Triumph.
Nice review. I am just getting back in to riding after 8 years away and really wanted an adventure bike. I had kind of given up on finding something as I am a short arse at 5'7". But just discovered this yesterday. This is just what I need/want. Thank you.
My brother has the 660 and I have the 800, so we've ridden them both back to back. The 660 is a cracking bike, but I'm not keen on the smaller screen and higher engine pitch (being picky). When my brother rode mine, he said it was REALLY comfortable compared to his 660 🙂
I just bought a '19 800 XRT and so far the only complaint I have is the engine heat which seems quite excessive. Just a couple days ago I removed the little windscreen winglets and have found it improves the airflow over my legs dramatically and makes the heat manageable. I plan on putting them back on on the fall/winter because the heat will be very appreciated then. Other than that I think the bike is nearly perfect. Hopefully after I hit 2k my brakes and TFT are still in working order. This might make me spring for the extended warranty though.
Hi Russ. Great video as ever with a honest owners review of the bike. I took out an XRT 800 for a test ride on Saturday afternoon. Awful weather conditions but she felt so stable and reliable both in town, motorway and on urban twisties. I reluctantly (after two hours) took her back to Pidcots smiling like a Cheshire cat. I am definitely getting one after I persuade the better half that it is an absolute necessity :-)
I think I watched every one of Russ' videos when I was on my Learner Motorcycle Permit (Australian Market). They really helped to consolidate ideas and concepts that I was being exposed to fornthe first time. Oh and just graduated to Full licence, no infringement tickets so far. Thanks Roadcraft Nottingham for the videos.
@@RoadcraftNottingham well I wouldn't want to be taught by anybody else... U teach ppl how to he a safe rider & I'd pay any price to be taught properly & there's only one place I'd go 😘😘
I'll rent a Tiger 800 next week for a couple days in the Black Hills of South Dakota. Your review has me even a little more fired up than I was before. I look forward to putting the bike through its paces out on the plains and in the hills. Some miles on gravel can't be ruled out either.
My rental was a '16 XRX. I liked it! The bike was very good on the tight and technical roads in the Black Hills: plenty of power, steady handling, and excellent cruise control--way better than my Super Duke's cruise. And, Like you, I find the engine's flexibility was quite impressive and made riding unfamiliar roads much easier. I also did about 35 miles of gravel where the bike proved very sure footed. The one place where the bike came up short was out on the open prairie. The roads out there in the western Dakotas and eastern Montana and Wyoming are very open, fast, and lightly traveled. I found cruising much above 6k RPM (82 mph) just put fuel consumption in the toilet, and made the bike feel a little frantic. And given how far apart gas stations are out there, that's not ideal. I'd agree that in most places, the Tiger has adequate power, but someplace like that, I'd really prefer a big GS or KTM for that contemptuously easy 90-100 mph cruise. Bottom line, the Tiger 800 XRX is a really good bike..I'm just really jaded power-wise.
A very thorough review Russ, and it is a lovely bike. Funny, when I test rode an 800 Tiger, many years ago, I was really inexperienced so didn't exactly know why I loved some of it or disliked some of it. I did dislike the steering though, my X felt much nimbler, like it wanted to tip into corners but the Tiger needed "to be told". My main opinion was that it wasn't worth (to me) more than double what the CB cost. I do agree with your advice completely - without exaggerating, that particular advice that I saw and heard from you is what has saved me many times, I am certain of it. And you should keep repeating it because there are always new riders who will benefit from it . Early on I gave up on "near-miss" videos, as they were truly every ride, and just thanked my stars for the attitude you helped me to develop which kept them as being "misses" and not crashes. . As for the Arrow - wifey has one on her CB500F and I do like it more than my Staintune... I get deathly looks if I seem to be thinking about nicking it though!! ...how does she even know??? :) That camera view is a real favourite of mine - excellent to show the fun bits.
Very interesting point you make on these TFT dashes I have been looking at these bikes just lately to use as an all weather bike and all these gismos are fine until they aren't and then the bills start mounting up fast .For this reason I am looking at older models with less on them . Good review and interesting you mention the Shiver I was thinking of that too ,I ride an XJR 1200 in the warmer months and the Tiger has a very similar if not the same power output but a good few kilo's lighter too so could be a good shot for me although I am not tall .Now subbed and will do some catching up on your channel .👍
i have had mine for 11 months and love it went for a run up to mallaig yesterday with some friends who were riding a 1200 gs and k1600 gtl and they were impressed by how well my tiger went kept pace with the bigger bikes no prob what so ever if any thing it was less tiring to ride ps i have had to have a new head light unit fitted due to condensation problem but i love my tiger
I have a 2015 xrx that has done over 24000 miles. I love it, it’s been reliable and is reasonably well built. It’s hardly been washed over winter and been dropped 3 times and still holding up well despite not having any crash bars. I think the electronics are pretty bang on. I like the throttle map in sport mode but I switch to rain in the wet. Never had the abs or t/c kick in unless provoked. I agree that the stock Metzelers are shocking, I don’t know why triumph persist with them. Changed to Road 5s and it now handles like it should. 👍🏻
Just traded my 1200 xca in for a new 800 xca! I have found that the weight of the 1200 as I get older is taking away from the pleasure of my motorcycling. I haven't done any miles on my 800 yet but have ridden demonstrators, I hope I'm not disappointed long term!
Just sat on one for the first time today. Got my mod 1 & 2 on Friday so no test ride yet. But it felt so comfortable and really didn't notice that it was 200+ kg, it actually felt surprisingly light. I suppose the weight must be down low. Shame about the TFT. Hopefully it's not a common fault otherwise I will look at something else.
great video and great bike. I really wanted to get a 2013 model that was reasonably priced. But when I got on, it made me want to go really fast. plus i am in america and not many places sell or service. So for that reason I passed. Still want one, still love the whirring of the engine....enjoy
Great review! Bought a 2018 800 XRx about a month ago, and I love it. 12k miles on the clock, but I'm sure I can hear every moving part in the engine, lots of clatter which sounds like valve train noise. Guess this is normal (ish)?
Done 8000 miles on the non-low version and couldn't agree more about the tyres. Can't believe Triumph actually sell them as standard as they're so bad.
On the steering, would you not measure the SAG and see if your steering might improve with more/less preload on the rear, i.e. is the steering really tight or is it just the effect of a low rear end? Not enough rear preload (bike sitting low at the back) Long fast corners: Bike runs wide, bike sits up (understeered). Short slow corners: Bike falls down to the inside (oversteered).
It's literally like there's a worn bearing where the steering centres and slightly weaves in a straight line, past experience is when customers have overtightened it.
Thanks for posting this , I'm about to take delivery of one myself. Hopefully in next couple of days. Bit concerned about the tyres and instrument screen now though !
i just traded my guzzi v85tt for the normal xrx. cant wait to pick it up. the guzzi had its pros, better brakes and easier to steer but not exciting like the triple and my previous v7 3 had a better character. i had the metzelers on the guzzi and thought they were pretty good. i deffinetely felt the tighter steering, almost like it has a dampner on. but thats my only real criticism from my test ride. cant wait... first triumph
Yes, Triumph triples and their transmissions are really something special. I also use the Tomtom rider, works with gloves on. A cool hack is the ability to go in and change the splash screen when it starts up. I put my speed Triple R logo on it. Pointless but fun.
My Tiger 800 from 2017 xrx has still the analog rev counter and lcd for the other informations like the speed. Seems to be an advantage. I have heard the newer one have a slightly shorter first gear. I would appreciate that. Greetings from Germany. I like your videos
Nice review Russ. I rode one of these on Saturday and was very impressed. The only reason I have the 1200 is for the shaft drive (I'm lazy and dislike oiling, cleaning and keeping the back wheel clean). I wonder if anyone does a belt drive conversion? My 1200 also has a little brake oscillation when just coming to a stop. There is also a small amount when at the bite point of the clutch. The bite point being a long way out doesn't help. Like you I'm impressed with the fueling on my bike. So many modern bikes are awful unless you are 'on it'. First bike I've had with cruise control. Thought it would be a gimmick (although I use the car one a lot). I'm surprised how much I use it. Tyres! Pah, the Tourance are awful and a pair of Michelin Road Trail 5 are going on this week.
My clutch has a very slight oscillation too! Gonna wait till closer to the warranty end then may report it if annoying. I agree about the chain cleaning malarky but the extra weight of the shaft would make the 800 WAYYY too heavy and at 5 feet 8 and getting old, I'm probably gonna sell the Goldwing as it is. The cruise was a very surprising bonus, love it.
@@RoadcraftNottingham I did wonder if the clutch feel is pulses because of the triple configuration. I've spent many many years on silky smooth 4 cylinders.
I have a 2019 Tiger 800 XRx Low and had shaft drive bikes previously as well. I added a Scottoiler eSystem with Scorpion dual oiler to my bike for reduced chain maintenance as there is no center stand available with the Low version. Just returned from a 3.5k mile trip and didn’t touch the chain once; once flow rate is dialed in properly the chain (and wheel) stayed clean and well lubed. No TFT issues yet; my only complaint is excessive vibration on the throttle side, my hand is numb within 5 minutes so I’ve used the cruise control extensively.
If you don’t mind, what other bikes have you ridden that have good slow speed throttle response and fuel injection mapping? I am struggling to find a bike that is not jerky. This one seems great.
Got 2019 xrt to , no expert on tyres at all, but jeez the Metzelers are shite, what do you think about the Pr5 , what tyre do you have on and has it transformed the bike handling and what horn you put on? Sorry for all the questions Great video again
john the plumber had my XRT for 11 months my main gripe are the vibrating mirrors at motorway speeds have you had any problems like this with your bike other vlogers have reported this
Hi Russ just seen your review on the triumph sounds like a good motorcycle, I would like some advice please, I have a Honda VFR 800 cc on a Y reg its a lovely motorcycle to ride but it as a slight problem when i rag it and try to change gear it will not go up the box but when i drive it slow and smooth then no problem changing up is this normal or do i have a problem, oh its done 50,000 Kind regards Steph Moore
I really like this bike. I just wish the brakes had more teeth. I think I was just spoilt having the M50’s on my Street Triple, I now have a Speed S. Going to Triumph @ Hinckley on Friday for their factory tour :) looking forward to it :)
When you mentioned the steering could be better with a slight adjustment at 8.40 - what were you referring to ? I have a 2019 and I find my bars shake slightly at 50mph. Having checked the tyre pressures and had them re-balanced I wonder if this is what you are referring to and which bit to loosen off ?
Very interested in this bike at the moment but ground clearance is an issue for me as I use a ramp to access my parking area, may I ask you to measure the ground clearance on yours from an upright stance, 130 mm is a safe reading for me, many thanks.
Yes, TFT dash! As a motor tec , I knew this was going to be a problem, I will avoid them until at least the 3rd generation. I've got a 2014 Tiger, No TFT, yipee.
Good review. I must agree tft screens do look cool but can fail. And as mentioned will cost a lot and stop you riding legally till fixed. And you could say it isn’t the only bit of tech kit that could ruin a ride or trip that are being put on new bikes and in some cases rushed out on the market. another bit of kit that I can see issues with is keyless bikes. At the mo I am looking to change my bike witch is an bmw rt 2011, probably going with a Goldwing 2012-2017 mainly due I am doing more long tours and also two uping and I found the rt to be a good bike, But is uncomfortable for passenger on long stints, also I found rt eats oil on hot days and being bmw has a special grade that I have only found at dealerships bmw. Also having slightly more storage capacity could be handy. I enjoy you’re vids and find them helpful and helps me keep learning and improving my riding.
Hi Russ, what's the problem with the Metzler tyres? I own a XRX and it is my first bike, I have been riding less than a year (I know; big bike for a newbie but it is looking after me well, and I'm loving it). I have nothing to compare the tyres with. I tend to put any nervousness or wobbles down to the eejit in the saddle rather than the tyres, but in general the whole package is really confidence inspiring. Just wondering now if it could be even better? Thanks for all videos by the way. You were on repeat play during my lessons and tests!
Continuo a chiedermi come mai le prove fatte sulla tiger 800 xrx sono in lingua straniera e non si capisce un ca...o ,visto che lo mandate in onda in italia perché non traducete la prova ?grazie
Nice review Russ! I have lessons with an ex-police motorcycle instructor and he told me the 'Think Bike' sign is to remind me that I'm on a bike!! The thingymabob that you have on the throttle control, would you recommend it, and where did you get it please? PS Like may others, I watch all your videos and you certainly have helped me, thank you for taking the time :-)
I like the new sound, it's more robust and bass than the previous models. :) i am not quite a fan of the screen tho :( and i miss the little duck beak from the front :)
Have you maybe used it yet with a passenger? I am currently looking to maybe get one for me and my wife. I am also 170cm and wife shorter. Both of us all geared up will be around 210kg. Currently have a Suzuki GSX S750 which is an awesome bike but not most comfortable for a passenger. Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers
I can tell you. Mine 800xr 2016, with 75000 kmts Not lower version, I don't need that I am 1,7mts and my wife 1.62? I've riden this bike in all situations including offroad. The bike can go very fast, if you are experienced a 1200 won't let you back. Traveling with my wife and a lot of gears is not a problem, the bike is so capable. We've travel Spain, Morocco, Portugal, Suiss alps etc. I never felt I'd need a big engine, she is so reliable and I can do 4,6lts/100km with no problem. Having 180mm suspension travel is so convinient when traveling with weight. The bike has a decent ground clerance, it has proven useful because I tend to put myself in difficult situations from time to time. It is a pleasure to put the motorbike where you like, and climb on very narrows path, reach the top..... Etc. It is a large motorbike, with a lot of room. And it is not so heavy. All the best
Thanks for this video Russ! One question. You are clearly an experienced rider, why did you choose to purchase the low version? I'm asking as someone that considers buying this motorcycle.
I can touch the floor on almost any bike so that wasn't the reason. After riding a low version it seemed so much more..... Around me, if that makes sense. Instead of sitting ON the bike I'm sitting IN it. Now I know how tall people feel when riding normal bikes. ☺
Agree with your sticker, never rely on the observation and skills of others. Where did you get the horn from. I have 1200 version which I also think is excellent but very heavy
Hi Helen, I'm fortunate enough to be able to touch the floor on most bikes but this just adds that extra footing. Now I know how tall people feel riding bikes. I rode Leanna's and thought it felt perfect
@@RoadcraftNottingham I'm usually on the balls of my feet with most bikes so a bit of extra footing can't be bad for the confidence. Great review and cheers for the reply.
Hi very good video, its funny how we perceive things differently, I have the exact same bike only a 2018 model, and my only gripe is the ride, its not wonderful in my opinion I feel all the bumps I`m afraid, the front end seems to be the problem which sadly not adjustable, I have had no problem with the TFT screen myself but as you say a costly problem should it arise, the Metzler tyres on my bike are okay, much better than my previous Tiger (2015) next year the 800 becomes the 900 look forward to seeing that, regards.
That's weird, I'm normally the first to moan about handling, check out my tracer 900 review. Maybe those Avon av54 tyres are that good. Yes, I'd be interested in testing the 900 tiger when it's out.
If you're from the UK, send me a stamp addressed envelope to 431a Beechdale Road, Aspley, Nottingham. NG83LF and I will pop some in for you. Maybe donate something to blood bikes or air ambulance?
@@RoadcraftNottingham ok mate, I am UK, so will do that. I fancy the idea of being a blood biker myself but not had the money for the advanced training yet. Leave it with me, I'll sort it.
Another great video hun xx do u think u will sell ur pan? Would be sad to see it go tbh 😞 I'll pop in soon hun for a coffee, I've got ur blinking book 😂😂
@@RoadcraftNottingham I'm not surprised hun xx wot will u do with the white one? Are u holding on to it 😘 Lol sorrrry lol 😂😂 U can stick kettle on this time 🤣🤣
Cost of R&D and economies of scale. The R&D cost of a cheap android phone may be higher (but may perhaps also benefit from tech developed for higher end phones), but they will also sell millions of them. Whereas these display units will maybe sell a few hundred thousand (Triumph sold 60.000 bikes in 2017, not all of which use this display). Then add the fact that it's a proprietary part that has no competition...
I suppose you could fit a cheapo cycle computer which would give you a mileometer function (in day light at least). You can't beat anologue, clockwork, clocks.
@@stevetaylor8698 Except there hasn't been a bike made in at least the past decade that has a true analog clock, but rather an analog display driven by electric motors being fed signals by electronics to tell it what value to show.
I was reading an article on The Verge yesterday that actually provided more insight to this. The article was about Tesla's decision to use consumer grade displays rather than automotive grade. The latter are tested against much more stringent standards in terms of resistance to heat, cold, massive temperature fluctuations, vibrations etc. This would be another factor as to why automotive grade electronics are more expensive than consumer grade.
I think the engine is great but dont like all the whiz bang electronic guff on modern bikes. I think it is all just waiting to fail later down the line and end up costing a fortune..My ducati dash was fried by a dealers workshop when it went for a service , luckily they replaced it with a new one which showed zero miles. The bike had done 6000 miles already and they couldnt figure out how to add 6000 miles to new dash so we kept it quite , just a thought.
Excellent real world review as always. £900 for TFT....wow! Do you think they would be able to repair them the way they do with some car binnacles ? Interesting you swopped the tyres, just swopped a front on my old Honda for a Bridgestone B23 (was Dunlop Arrowmax but they have changed the speed rating and the price has doubled) Any experience with the B23? I find it 'tracks' something rotten, I'll need a new rear soon, and I've heard they are not great in the wet either, not sure what to do now.... any advice gratefully received ...
Unfortunately, in this throw away world I doubt its repairable but you never know. I've not experienced your tyres but I love my Avon trail rider av54. Great dry or wet and no tracking I know of.
Interesting. I rode my other half’s tiger 800 low recently and was very disappointed. It found it rather resistant to turn into corners (compared to my Z1000sx) and the tyres follow imperfections in the road surface very badly. She recently replaced rear tyre (Michelin Tourance to match front) to cure this and it makes no difference. May have to try the Avon’s. It also has a very whiny engine and vibey bars at low revs.
An interesting video and couldn't agree more about safety. I have a 2012 Explorer and i'd say the ride is choppy, throttle is a bit snatchy and the cruise control is a pain to use being on the right and a stretch for the thumb.
I have a 2019 Tiger 800 Xrt for 9 months and 6500 km and saw a similar video before buying it, fortunately I haven't had any problems with my tiger and really love it.
I'm really pleased for you. They're a fantastic bike. Have fun.
One of the best bike reviews that I have ever watched and I have watched a lot. I had an tiger 800 xc in 2011 and would say that it was one of the best bikes that I ever had and I am now thinking of another one. Thanks for honest review. It was the screen that had put me off slightly but it seems that the screen on yours is the answer.
Thanks for the feedback. I've already had the display, switchgear and headlight replaced under warranty, the indicator also has damp in it so that's next and Leanna's cam chain tensioner in hers has just failed.
11:08 As someone who owned a 2013 and 2015 Tiger 800 for a combined 70.000km and is now about 1,5 years and 18.000km into riding a Tiger 1200 I can't find fault with your arguments in favour of the 800. But I do feel that as an instructor who presumably spends a lot of time in the saddle you'd be able to appreciate the extra comfort the 1200 provides, not to mention the extra manoeuvrability. With more steering lock and better ground clearance for the footpegs the 1200 will turn much shorter and actually feels more nimble than an 800 in spite of weighing significantly more.
Very fair point but the size and weight are a put off for me unfortunately.
Very helpful video. Proper independent and honest review. I do find the gushing reviews you get from some UA-camrs are obviously missing the cons out, when covering the bike. I’m trying to decide between 800/1200 and BMW or Triumph.
Nice review. I am just getting back in to riding after 8 years away and really wanted an adventure bike. I had kind of given up on finding something as I am a short arse at 5'7". But just discovered this yesterday. This is just what I need/want. Thank you.
Lovely bikes. Enjoy. ☺
Really interesting video ! Have tiger 660 at the moment,but saw 800 in showroom recently and thought there is my next bike ! Thanks Philip
My brother has the 660 and I have the 800, so we've ridden them both back to back. The 660 is a cracking bike, but I'm not keen on the smaller screen and higher engine pitch (being picky). When my brother rode mine, he said it was REALLY comfortable compared to his 660 🙂
A great review. I also have a Tiger 800 and am more than happy with it. It’s a bike for all purposes.
I just bought a '19 800 XRT and so far the only complaint I have is the engine heat which seems quite excessive. Just a couple days ago I removed the little windscreen winglets and have found it improves the airflow over my legs dramatically and makes the heat manageable. I plan on putting them back on on the fall/winter because the heat will be very appreciated then.
Other than that I think the bike is nearly perfect. Hopefully after I hit 2k my brakes and TFT are still in working order. This might make me spring for the extended warranty though.
Hi Russ. Great video as ever with a honest owners review of the bike. I took out an XRT 800 for a test ride on Saturday afternoon. Awful weather conditions but she felt so stable and reliable both in town, motorway and on urban twisties. I reluctantly (after two hours) took her back to Pidcots smiling like a Cheshire cat. I am definitely getting one after I persuade the better half that it is an absolute necessity :-)
I took a 2012 model out today and it was agricultural compared to mine. These new ones are really refined.
When you said the Tiger had replaced the Pan the rest of the vlog was made redundant. Praise indeed!
Makes me a little sad to say it too.
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Notification squad! Love the videos Russ you got me into motorcycling!
I think I watched every one of Russ' videos when I was on my Learner Motorcycle Permit (Australian Market). They really helped to consolidate ideas and concepts that I was being exposed to fornthe first time.
Oh and just graduated to Full licence, no infringement tickets so far. Thanks Roadcraft Nottingham for the videos.
It's great to know that I have such a legacy, helping people become safer and inspiring others to start riding. Thanks for the feedback.
@@RoadcraftNottingham well I wouldn't want to be taught by anybody else... U teach ppl how to he a safe rider & I'd pay any price to be taught properly & there's only one place I'd go 😘😘
I'll rent a Tiger 800 next week for a couple days in the Black Hills of South Dakota. Your review has me even a little more fired up than I was before. I look forward to putting the bike through its paces out on the plains and in the hills. Some miles on gravel can't be ruled out either.
Let me know what you think. ☺
My rental was a '16 XRX. I liked it! The bike was very good on the tight and technical roads in the Black Hills: plenty of power, steady handling, and excellent cruise control--way better than my Super Duke's cruise. And, Like you, I find the engine's flexibility was quite impressive and made riding unfamiliar roads much easier. I also did about 35 miles of gravel where the bike proved very sure footed. The one place where the bike came up short was out on the open prairie. The roads out there in the western Dakotas and eastern Montana and Wyoming are very open, fast, and lightly traveled. I found cruising much above 6k RPM (82 mph) just put fuel consumption in the toilet, and made the bike feel a little frantic. And given how far apart gas stations are out there, that's not ideal. I'd agree that in most places, the Tiger has adequate power, but someplace like that, I'd really prefer a big GS or KTM for that contemptuously easy 90-100 mph cruise. Bottom line, the Tiger 800 XRX is a really good bike..I'm just really jaded power-wise.
A very thorough review Russ, and it is a lovely bike.
Funny, when I test rode an 800 Tiger, many years ago, I was really inexperienced so didn't exactly know why I loved some of it or disliked some of it. I did dislike the steering though, my X felt much nimbler, like it wanted to tip into corners but the Tiger needed "to be told".
My main opinion was that it wasn't worth (to me) more than double what the CB cost.
I do agree with your advice completely - without exaggerating, that particular advice that I saw and heard from you is what has saved me many times, I am certain of it. And you should keep repeating it because there are always new riders who will benefit from it . Early on I gave up on "near-miss" videos, as they were truly every ride, and just thanked my stars for the attitude you helped me to develop which kept them as being "misses" and not crashes. .
As for the Arrow - wifey has one on her CB500F and I do like it more than my Staintune... I get deathly looks if I seem to be thinking about nicking it though!! ...how does she even know??? :)
That camera view is a real favourite of mine - excellent to show the fun bits.
which advice are you talking about? (1 year later :p)
Bikers think car, don't rely on others for your safety.
Very interesting point you make on these TFT dashes I have been looking at these bikes just lately to use as an all weather bike and all these gismos are fine until they aren't and then the bills start mounting up fast .For this reason I am looking at older models with less on them . Good review and interesting you mention the Shiver I was thinking of that too ,I ride an XJR 1200 in the warmer months and the Tiger has a very similar if not the same power output but a good few kilo's lighter too so could be a good shot for me although I am not tall .Now subbed and will do some catching up on your channel .👍
i have had mine for 11 months and love it went for a run up to mallaig yesterday with some friends who were riding a 1200 gs and k1600 gtl and they were impressed by how well my tiger went kept pace with the bigger bikes no prob what so ever if any thing it was less tiring to ride ps i have had to have a new head light unit fitted due to condensation problem but i love my tiger
Yes, I have a bit of condensation too but not too worried at the moment. With the right rider, the 800 will keep up with most bikes on public roads.
Blinker fluid does not go in the headlight. :-)
I have a 2015 xrx that has done over 24000 miles. I love it, it’s been reliable and is reasonably well built. It’s hardly been washed over winter and been dropped 3 times and still holding up well despite not having any crash bars. I think the electronics are pretty bang on. I like the throttle map in sport mode but I switch to rain in the wet. Never had the abs or t/c kick in unless provoked.
I agree that the stock Metzelers are shocking, I don’t know why triumph persist with them.
Changed to Road 5s and it now handles like it should. 👍🏻
Just traded my 1200 xca in for a new 800 xca! I have found that the weight of the 1200 as I get older is taking away from the pleasure of my motorcycling. I haven't done any miles on my 800 yet but have ridden demonstrators, I hope I'm not disappointed long term!
Just sat on one for the first time today. Got my mod 1 & 2 on Friday so no test ride yet. But it felt so comfortable and really didn't notice that it was 200+ kg, it actually felt surprisingly light. I suppose the weight must be down low. Shame about the TFT. Hopefully it's not a common fault otherwise I will look at something else.
great video and great bike. I really wanted to get a 2013 model that was reasonably priced. But when I got on, it made me want to go really fast. plus i am in america and not many places sell or service. So for that reason I passed. Still want one, still love the whirring of the engine....enjoy
I was getting all ready to start serious looking for one to replace my Pan until I read about the warranty work .... that's shocking. Excellent review
I'll do an upload about the 5 things it went back for soon. Sold it now.
Roadcraft Nottingham .... did I see you back on the ST1100 .... if so says a lot about the Hondas
Yep, so pleased I kept it and such a shame about Triumph.
@@RoadcraftNottingham you sold the Triumph so fast? should I consider not buying the 2019 xrx or is it good after all?
@@maikoui wait till you see my upload but maybe consider an older one without the tft clocks.
I have a 2019 Tiger 800 XRx and am also very pleased with it. My only negative is I find that the seat pushes me forward, owing to its angle.
Hi, thanks for your your suggestion, but I read in the owner’s handbook that it is unsafe to do that.
Awesome. I’m so in love ♥️ with this bike !
I’ve got a 2018 XRT & love it, great choice 👍🏻
Failed 'tft'....give me the earlier non tech dash, thank you very much!.. otherwise great machine & sensible, honest review!
Such a shame... Sold it before the warranty ran out . 😔
5:57 I agree with you on this one completely.
is paint starting to fade on left sided buttons ?
Great review! Bought a 2018 800 XRx about a month ago, and I love it. 12k miles on the clock, but I'm sure I can hear every moving part in the engine, lots of clatter which sounds like valve train noise. Guess this is normal (ish)?
I did love it but watch my reasons I sold it. Love your profile pic by the way.. MEEEEEOOOWWWWWWOWWWWWW "Charlie said... "
@@RoadcraftNottingham He he, yeah the old public information films were great 🙂
Done 8000 miles on the non-low version and couldn't agree more about the tyres.
Can't believe Triumph actually sell them as standard as they're so bad.
On the steering, would you not measure the SAG and see if your steering might improve with more/less preload on the rear, i.e. is the steering really tight or is it just the effect of a low rear end? Not enough rear preload (bike sitting low at the back) Long fast corners: Bike runs wide, bike sits up (understeered). Short slow corners: Bike falls down to the inside (oversteered).
It's literally like there's a worn bearing where the steering centres and slightly weaves in a straight line, past experience is when customers have overtightened it.
My Street 765, the dash had a life of it's own and was changed within 2 year warranty. Followed a ride in torrential storm.
Thanks for posting this , I'm about to take delivery of one myself. Hopefully in next couple of days. Bit concerned about the tyres and instrument screen now though !
Don't be concerned, they're a fantastic bike. Just line up a pair of Avon av54 and it'll be perfect. ☺
i just traded my guzzi v85tt for the normal xrx. cant wait to pick it up. the guzzi had its pros, better brakes and easier to steer but not exciting like the triple and my previous v7 3 had a better character. i had the metzelers on the guzzi and thought they were pretty good. i deffinetely felt the tighter steering, almost like it has a dampner on. but thats my only real criticism from my test ride. cant wait...
first triumph
What happened to the previous dual review?
I've just got mine this week and I hope I am not going to have problems with the tft screen which I like better!
Loved it
Yes, Triumph triples and their transmissions are really something special.
I also use the Tomtom rider, works with gloves on. A cool hack is the ability to go in and change the splash screen when it starts up. I put my speed Triple R logo on it. Pointless but fun.
Thanks for the review! 900euro for a new dash seems unnecessary!
Just curious, when you said 63 mpg is that imperial or US gallons?
Hello Russ, I don’t suppose you could tell me which horns you fitted on the tiger please?
They're Fiamm horns.
Thank you 😊
Hi, this must be some fantastic bike to please you. I’ve got a triumph tiger 1050 2010 and I love it but you don’t rate them that much in your review.
My Tiger 800 from 2017 xrx has still the analog rev counter and lcd for the other informations like the speed. Seems to be an advantage.
I have heard the newer one have a slightly shorter first gear. I would appreciate that.
Greetings from Germany. I like your videos
If you want a shorter 1st gear fit a front sprocket with 1 tooth smaller. That'll help you.
Nice review Russ. I rode one of these on Saturday and was very impressed. The only reason I have the 1200 is for the shaft drive (I'm lazy and dislike oiling, cleaning and keeping the back wheel clean). I wonder if anyone does a belt drive conversion? My 1200 also has a little brake oscillation when just coming to a stop. There is also a small amount when at the bite point of the clutch. The bite point being a long way out doesn't help. Like you I'm impressed with the fueling on my bike. So many modern bikes are awful unless you are 'on it'. First bike I've had with cruise control. Thought it would be a gimmick (although I use the car one a lot). I'm surprised how much I use it. Tyres! Pah, the Tourance are awful and a pair of Michelin Road Trail 5 are going on this week.
My clutch has a very slight oscillation too! Gonna wait till closer to the warranty end then may report it if annoying. I agree about the chain cleaning malarky but the extra weight of the shaft would make the 800 WAYYY too heavy and at 5 feet 8 and getting old, I'm probably gonna sell the Goldwing as it is. The cruise was a very surprising bonus, love it.
@@RoadcraftNottingham I did wonder if the clutch feel is pulses because of the triple configuration. I've spent many many years on silky smooth 4 cylinders.
I have a 2019 Tiger 800 XRx Low and had shaft drive bikes previously as well. I added a Scottoiler eSystem with Scorpion dual oiler to my bike for reduced chain maintenance as there is no center stand available with the Low version. Just returned from a 3.5k mile trip and didn’t touch the chain once; once flow rate is dialed in properly the chain (and wheel) stayed clean and well lubed. No TFT issues yet; my only complaint is excessive vibration on the throttle side, my hand is numb within 5 minutes so I’ve used the cruise control extensively.
@@rogerfranklin5339 It's the coated wheel and riding trousers that I so dislike. 😉
If you don’t mind, what other bikes have you ridden that have good slow speed throttle response and fuel injection mapping? I am struggling to find a bike that is not jerky. This one seems great.
Only really the sv650 and 08 cbr600 rr. I hate most of them
Roadcraft Nottingham Thank you.
Got 2019 xrt to , no expert on tyres at all, but jeez the Metzelers are shite, what do you think about the Pr5 , what tyre do you have on and has it transformed the bike handling and what horn you put on? Sorry for all the questions Great video again
Hi. Not tried the pr5, I have the Avon trail rider and they're Fiamm horns. ☺
As much of a fan as you were of your Pan 11, I'm actually surprised that you didn't opt for a Pan 13. But the Tiger is cool, too!
I did a comparison review. Search it. ☺
Do you have an opinion about my bike, a Yamaha XJ 600 S Diversion?
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@@RoadcraftNottingham the older one mate, its from 1996. But still, thanks, now i feel like a celebriti after getting a reply.
Does the arrow still have the baffles in? cos it sounds deep
Yeah baffles are in. This is the US version which I think is louder. Sounds great eh?
john the plumber had my XRT for 11 months my main gripe are the vibrating mirrors at motorway speeds have you had any problems like this with your bike other vlogers have reported this
My mirrors are perfect but it's known for people to put the mirrors from the Adventure 1200 on instead.
only in my right mirror above 7000 ??
john the plumber I have exactly the same issue, once I get up to about 60/70 the vibration of the mirrors are terrible.
Hi Russ just seen your review on the triumph sounds like a good motorcycle,
I would like some advice please,
I have a Honda VFR 800 cc on a Y reg its a lovely motorcycle to ride but it as a slight problem when i rag it and try to change gear it will not go up the box but when i drive it slow and smooth then no problem changing up is this normal or do i have a problem, oh its done 50,000
Kind regards
Steph Moore
Hi Steph, that's nothing I can comment on without seeing it, sorry.... and I sold the Triumph, take a look at my later upload.
I really like this bike. I just wish the brakes had more teeth. I think I was just spoilt having the M50’s on my Street Triple, I now have a Speed S. Going to Triumph @ Hinckley on Friday for their factory tour :) looking forward to it :)
It's an interesting tour if you're technically minded. If it's Roy or Ian say Russ says hi.
When you mentioned the steering could be better with a slight adjustment at 8.40 - what were you referring to ? I have a 2019 and I find my bars shake slightly at 50mph. Having checked the tyre pressures and had them re-balanced I wonder if this is what you are referring to and which bit to loosen off ?
My experience is different. Mine feels overtightened at slow speed so I slightly loosened the steering nut. Much smoother now
Very interested in this bike at the moment but ground clearance is an issue for me as I use a ramp to access my parking area, may I ask you to measure the ground clearance on yours from an upright stance, 130 mm is a safe reading for me, many thanks.
I buy Triumph Tiger 800 xrx 2019 has 1100 km and have problems with the center led light not working . Triumph what says about the TFT screen?
Nice review! What's your height?
I'm 5 feet 8 but have longer legs
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Hello, thanks for the nice review. How tall are you and what is your inseam? And about engine heat?
Hi, I'm 5 feet 8 and about 30 inch inseam. Yes, I felt the heat when stopped in summer.
This is gonna be my last dream bike...love the sticker thou...very meaningful
Was there a significant difference in softness or comfort with the comfort seat? Asking because I have a boney bum as well.
Once you've done some miles (500 ish) you do notice a difference. It's a bit naughty they purposely make an "uncomfortable" seat.
Can I confirm if the XRX rear suspension adjustable?
Yes, TFT dash! As a motor tec , I knew this was going to be a problem, I will avoid them until at least the 3rd generation. I've got a 2014 Tiger, No TFT, yipee.
Good review. I must agree tft screens do look cool but can fail. And as mentioned will cost a lot and stop you riding legally till fixed. And you could say it isn’t the only bit of tech kit that could ruin a ride or trip that are being put on new bikes and in some cases rushed out on the market. another bit of kit that I can see issues with is keyless bikes.
At the mo I am looking to change my bike witch is an bmw rt 2011, probably going with a Goldwing 2012-2017 mainly due I am doing more long tours and also two uping and I found the rt to be a good bike, But is uncomfortable for passenger on long stints, also I found rt eats oil on hot days and being bmw has a special grade that I have only found at dealerships bmw. Also having slightly more storage capacity could be handy.
I enjoy you’re vids and find them helpful and helps me keep learning and improving my riding.
Hi Russ, what's the problem with the Metzler tyres? I own a XRX and it is my first bike, I have been riding less than a year (I know; big bike for a newbie but it is looking after me well, and I'm loving it). I have nothing to compare the tyres with. I tend to put any nervousness or wobbles down to the eejit in the saddle rather than the tyres, but in general the whole package is really confidence inspiring. Just wondering now if it could be even better? Thanks for all videos by the way. You were on repeat play during my lessons and tests!
The Metzelers just weren't smooth whilst going round roundabouts etc. I'm gonna do the comparison with the Avons very soon.
Having trouble at slow idle in traffic. You don't seemed to have any issues.
Maybe get the dealer to reset it
Curious. How much did you pay for this bike?
Continuo a chiedermi come mai le prove fatte sulla tiger 800 xrx sono in lingua straniera e non si capisce un ca...o ,visto che lo mandate in onda in italia perché non traducete la prova ?grazie
Nice review Russ! I have lessons with an ex-police motorcycle instructor and he told me the 'Think Bike' sign is to remind me that I'm on a bike!!
The thingymabob that you have on the throttle control, would you recommend it, and where did you get it please?
PS Like may others, I watch all your videos and you certainly have helped me, thank you for taking the time :-)
Hi, search cramp buster in eBay and yes I'd recommend it.
@@RoadcraftNottingham Cheers!
You chose the low seat, how tal are you?
I'm 5 feet 8 but can touch the floor on most bikes. Just felt more comfortable on this one.
Nuno Cristino I’m 5’3” and own a 2015 xox low. Great bike and can touch the ground! Had a F700 gs low but it was to slow.
I like the new sound, it's more robust and bass than the previous models. :) i am not quite a fan of the screen tho :( and i miss the little duck beak from the front :)
Have you maybe used it yet with a passenger? I am currently looking to maybe get one for me and my wife. I am also 170cm and wife shorter. Both of us all geared up will be around 210kg. Currently have a Suzuki GSX S750 which is an awesome bike but not most comfortable for a passenger. Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers
Hi, my best advice would be to try one. The ground clearance is relatively limited. Good luck.
I can tell you.
Mine 800xr 2016, with 75000 kmts
Not lower version, I don't need that
I am 1,7mts and my wife 1.62?
I've riden this bike in all situations including offroad.
The bike can go very fast, if you are experienced a 1200 won't let you back.
Traveling with my wife and a lot of gears is not a problem, the bike is so capable. We've travel Spain, Morocco, Portugal, Suiss alps etc.
I never felt I'd need a big engine, she is so reliable and I can do 4,6lts/100km with no problem.
Having 180mm suspension travel is so convinient when traveling with weight.
The bike has a decent ground clerance, it has proven useful because I tend to put myself in difficult situations from time to time.
It is a pleasure to put the motorbike where you like, and climb on very narrows path, reach the top..... Etc.
It is a large motorbike, with a lot of room. And it is not so heavy.
All the best
Thanks for this video Russ! One question. You are clearly an experienced rider, why did you choose to purchase the low version? I'm asking as someone that considers buying this motorcycle.
I can touch the floor on almost any bike so that wasn't the reason. After riding a low version it seemed so much more..... Around me, if that makes sense. Instead of sitting ON the bike I'm sitting IN it. Now I know how tall people feel when riding normal bikes. ☺
Agree with your sticker, never rely on the observation and skills of others. Where did you get the horn from.
I have 1200 version which I also think is excellent but very heavy
The horns are by Fiamm. Very loud and I think they look good too. ☺
@@RoadcraftNottingham Easy to fit ... ?
I'm 5'6" and am considering the low version. I see you're 5.8, did you try the normal seat height first? What swayed you to get the low version?
Hi Helen,
I'm fortunate enough to be able to touch the floor on most bikes but this just adds that extra footing. Now I know how tall people feel riding bikes. I rode Leanna's and thought it felt perfect
Only tried it on low seat. You'll love it
Helen Hancox e
@@RoadcraftNottingham I'm usually on the balls of my feet with most bikes so a bit of extra footing can't be bad for the confidence. Great review and cheers for the reply.
Hi very good video, its funny how we perceive things differently, I have the exact same bike only a 2018 model, and my only gripe is the ride, its not wonderful in my opinion I feel all the bumps I`m afraid, the front end seems to be the problem which sadly not adjustable, I have had no problem with the TFT screen myself but as you say a costly problem should it arise, the Metzler tyres on my bike are okay, much better than my previous Tiger (2015) next year the 800 becomes the 900 look forward to seeing that, regards.
That's weird, I'm normally the first to moan about handling, check out my tracer 900 review. Maybe those Avon av54 tyres are that good. Yes, I'd be interested in testing the 900 tiger when it's out.
... Oh and its "I've not had a problem with the tft screen YET" 😂
Try an Africa Twin at all?
No but wouldn't mind having a play. Not sure they do a lowered version.
Russ, can I buy one of those stickers anywhere mate?
If you're from the UK, send me a stamp addressed envelope to 431a Beechdale Road, Aspley, Nottingham. NG83LF and I will pop some in for you. Maybe donate something to blood bikes or air ambulance?
@@RoadcraftNottingham ok mate, I am UK, so will do that. I fancy the idea of being a blood biker myself but not had the money for the advanced training yet. Leave it with me, I'll sort it.
Also one of my local bike rallies donates to both so that's easily sorted.
Ian Collings Hi Russ, and if I am in New Zealand how can I get my hands on some stickers please? Excellent idea
What's your height
I'm 5 feet 8"
you still got your pan?
At the moment, yes.
Lovely video. I like your pants, care to share the model? cheers
Triumph Terra Jean. ☺
Another great video hun xx do u think u will sell ur pan? Would be sad to see it go tbh 😞
I'll pop in soon hun for a coffee, I've got ur blinking book 😂😂
Yeah I think it'd make sense to sell the pan but I'll be sad. Yes, get my book back to me ya thief! 😂
@@RoadcraftNottingham I'm not surprised hun xx wot will u do with the white one? Are u holding on to it 😘
Lol sorrrry lol 😂😂
U can stick kettle on this time 🤣🤣
They'd have to sort those screens out before I'd think about buying one @ £900 a pop.
£900 for an LCD dash but £50 for a cheapo Android phone I wonder why they're so expensive
Cost of R&D and economies of scale.
The R&D cost of a cheap android phone may be higher (but may perhaps also benefit from tech developed for higher end phones), but they will also sell millions of them. Whereas these display units will maybe sell a few hundred thousand (Triumph sold 60.000 bikes in 2017, not all of which use this display).
Then add the fact that it's a proprietary part that has no competition...
I suppose you could fit a cheapo cycle computer which would give you a mileometer function (in day light at least). You can't beat anologue, clockwork, clocks.
@@stevetaylor8698 Except there hasn't been a bike made in at least the past decade that has a true analog clock, but rather an analog display driven by electric motors being fed signals by electronics to tell it what value to show.
I was reading an article on The Verge yesterday that actually provided more insight to this. The article was about Tesla's decision to use consumer grade displays rather than automotive grade. The latter are tested against much more stringent standards in terms of resistance to heat, cold, massive temperature fluctuations, vibrations etc. This would be another factor as to why automotive grade electronics are more expensive than consumer grade.
I think the engine is great but dont like all the whiz bang electronic guff on modern bikes. I think it is all just waiting to fail later down the line and end up costing a fortune..My ducati dash was fried by a dealers workshop when it went for a service , luckily they replaced it with a new one which showed zero miles. The bike had done 6000 miles already and they couldnt figure out how to add 6000 miles to new dash so we kept it quite , just a thought.
You could have used a gps speedo app on your phone
Excellent real world review as always. £900 for TFT....wow! Do you think they would be able to repair them the way they do with some car binnacles ? Interesting you swopped the tyres, just swopped a front on my old Honda for a Bridgestone B23 (was Dunlop Arrowmax but they have changed the speed rating and the price has doubled) Any experience with the B23? I find it 'tracks' something rotten, I'll need a new rear soon, and I've heard they are not great in the wet either, not sure what to do now.... any advice gratefully received ...
Unfortunately, in this throw away world I doubt its repairable but you never know. I've not experienced your tyres but I love my Avon trail rider av54. Great dry or wet and no tracking I know of.
Aah, you mean bt23.... Yes, they track something awful. ☺
Interesting. I rode my other half’s tiger 800 low recently and was very disappointed. It found it rather resistant to turn into corners (compared to my Z1000sx) and the tyres follow imperfections in the road surface very badly. She recently replaced rear tyre (Michelin Tourance to match front) to cure this and it makes no difference. May have to try the Avon’s. It also has a very whiny engine and vibey bars at low revs.
Deffo go for the Avon AV54. I know someone who had a vibraty tiger. Just bad luck I guess
Every bike should have clocks.
An interesting video and couldn't agree more about safety. I have a 2012 Explorer and i'd say the ride is choppy, throttle is a bit snatchy and the cruise control is a pain to use being on the right and a stretch for the thumb.
john the plumber
you can ride without a speedo, but if you're caught speeding its your look out.
No you can't, not in the UK anyway. See The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, regulation 35.