I'm sure they have the info, but what a great political football it is. It's not about solving problems, it's about arguing about problems until the pension is locked in and the checks for "public service" are consistent and reliable.
Interesting and educational (as always). I remember my Dad saying that the Vikings girdled the trees they used for boatbuilding so they dried standing up. Then they cut them down when they were ready to build the boat.
They also used torrefecation which is heating up the wood without any oxygen present which made the Oak virtually water proof and much stonger and lighter. Which you can imagine how hard that is to do on a plank thats over 50 feet long. But yeah they would need over 100 Oak trees of perfect dimensions and with the correct curve for the bows. I did a project on the Gokstad ship in my school and I found some water speed tests and the viking were about dead on with the most efficient way a boat of that size could move through the water. If I remember like 18-20 knots with only a square sail of a couple hundred square feet.
I am totally in agreement with the posted comment on you going in front of Congress with your impressive wisdom. The "Service" of the; USFS definately needs an Education, a staff cut from the top down and a yearly continued Education certification course and test to remain employed.
The problem isn't that the forest service doesn't know how to do this, it's that they've got hundreds of thousands of square miles and only 30,000 employees. Nowhere near enough for this kind of intensive management of individual trees.
@whynotcaptaincrunch please; tell us more. I watched a 418'000acre fire burn every hard earned tax paid for, dollar of my retirement up. And it started on table top from one tree struck by lightning that the head supervisor of the NSF, on 12 news said; they had on there computor showing its inital strike point and that they were aware of it and were monitoring it feeling the one tree would burn its self out. Now get this; admittal to being aware, and monitering it, in a town/city, with a rehabed airport turned into a U.S. airforce training flight school, "plenty of aircraft fuel", a NSF fire Plane and heli at the ready 65 miles east of the AF base, a 6 decades old reseivore Klamath Lake 12 miles from the lightning strike, and numerous states fire contractors parked awaiting just outside a high power supply line. Providing California with power, ready and willing too go into that wild fire that WAS NOT licking mine nor anyone else's heels as we complied with thee evactuate now orders,, and those contractor's were told to stand down and protect those HV power lines if it broke thru. This was the Bootleg Wild fire started 30-35 miles west on one tree encomposed 12 acres at day one. They monitored it alright,, as it burned, homes and families and your si called; wildlife management of numerous species like the protected "Ponderosa" spotted owl nesting trees. And the protected spongi ground covered dead and down 3ft high kindeling box Forest floor. The NFS needs educated from there neally weally pattern of wreckless work less and let mother nature "lightning", do the work of medigation of catastrophic results, all while doing as there told, clock in, clock out enjoy there weekly pay, benefits while building there retirement pay. It's called a; "SERVICE", for a reason. Any service requires physical management by WORKING. Teach them that and re-evaluate that with annually given continued educational training and testing. My retirement from back breaking labor of 35 years as a Contract construction Plumbing life, scraping and saving every dime to enjoy in my later years burnt up on my 17.88 acre land along with wildlife and over 4000 various 100+ year old live trees.
I girdled me a couple trees yesterday. One was a white pine crowding out a couple hickory saplings and a dogwood. I didn't feel like cleaning up the slash so I girdled it. Call me lazy.
it's a good thing you came back tomorrow to talk about timing it so the bugs wouldn't use them for breeding grounds, because I would have asked that if you didn't. and sorry, I don't know any bug trainers.
Michael: Question: Why not put those smaller trees on the ground to speed up breaking them down? In my much smaller forest, the undesirable trees I cut and leave them on the ground. I do leave a few bigger trees for bugs and birds, but lots of smaller ones I drop. Interested to why. Thanks.
Great video again mate, well done. However here in Australia it's illegal to ring bark a tree with a circumference greater than 1 metre or trees more than 3 metres high, or with a crown of more than 2 metres, they will require a permit to remove, unless it's a declared pest species. I can't seem to find out why, but "The standard LEP, Local Environment Plans (LEPs), make (it illegal to ringbark, cut down, top, lop, remove, injure or wilfully destroy any prescribed trees." Of course there are ways around this, we live in a bushfire prone area so if you claim to be doing it for fire management no-one dares to question you. 🙂
Maybe it’s just your microphone, but that saw sounds better than all the other electric saws I’ve heard that make a horrible sound in the part of my hearing I have left. 👍🏼
I was always told madrone trees are a coastal tree and don't do well very far inland. And here you are with a good number of the on your eastern side land, how can that be so??
I tried to keep shade when we had to take millions of acres of Mountain Pine beetle fuel down to mitigate Gi Normous forest fire in lightning prone zones. lol and along come the skidder, having fun knocking all that shade down. lol.
I was wondering that in the first half of the video, but he mostly covered it by the end. #1: You don't have to harvest it (work). Especially important when it's not marketable and not near a road. Why do a lot of hard work if you aren't going to get paid for it? #2 Felling the trees may damage the neighboring trees that you are saving #3 Dead trees leaves habitat for bugs, birds, etc. #3: Neighboring trees can adapt to the increased sunlight over one or more seasons, instead of having to cope with a sudden drastic increase in sunlight. I found this super interesting. I was always told that standing deadwood needs to be removed for fire management (the bunk never let it burn theory). I was only familiar with girdling as a way to prepare next year's firewood. Basically, it dries standing that way, and can be put to immediate use when harvested. Also used in log cabin construction, and (traditionally) to dry wood standing before floating logs downriver.
@that.schamp thank you. I do have some more questions tho, as i don't fully understand reasons 1, 2 and 3. If you fell the tree, you don't necessarily have to get firewood / lumber out of it, you can just leave the tree on the ground? That way it still leaves a habitat for the bugs. Maybe less for birds but still other animals. I can see how you don't want to damage the other trees by felling it, but if you kill it, the tree will fall on its own in idk how many years. Maybe the tree will lost a bit of its branches and also some weight due to rotting, but then the tree just falls wherever gravity wants to take it. The trees will have grown too, so the gap of where it can fall without creating a huge mess and damaging other trees will only grow smaller. Reason 4 is something I didn't think of and might be a good reason. I don't really know how a sudden increase in sunlight negatively impacts the tree as it's not really a stress factor like wind or cold or rain, but a gradual change surely can't be bad.
in a future video can you explain why the Madrone look the way they do, with most of the bark missing? I live in Maine, and it is interesting to me as we do not have this species here. Thanks, great work love the videos. JeffinMaine.
The bark peels off as an adaptation to remove pests and fungi, anything else that wants to grow on a tree. Similar to a eucalyptus. Madrone is a relative of manzanita
A limited amount, but a calculated risk. Removing the lowest branches is far more important. Snags (standing dead) are super-valuable to hundreds of avian, mammalian and buggy species and each create a micro-habitat.
If you mean the smooth looking ones they are the madrones aka arbutus species , they are thin barked and also exfoliate themselves yearly which helps them shed any pests that may have laid eggs etc in the bark layer .
400 acres of timberland outside of Eugene, OR. Do you have plans to clearcut and replant? I ask because your stand looks a little stressed. Hard to tell through a video but it seems like you got a lot of dead or dying trees. Also, I was amused with the small saw used in this video vs. the Stihl with the 32-inch bar used to cut a small tree in the "leaning tree vid" :):)
Tricky cause madrones appear symbiotic with pine? Felling and leaving the trunk on the grd, then peeling off the bark slows spread and the birds can have a feast. The larvae and beetles live right under the outer layer of ponderosa bark. On the grd winged beetles cannot fly from tree top to tree top if left standing. Its a changing world.
I understand about liability and all, but could a non profit or a high school class…or a chain gang of non violent prisoners be able to help out? My son donates firewood off the tree farm he manages to a honor camp and they help clean the land up. May be impractical but just throwing it out there
Someone like you needs to go in front of Congress and explain to them what proper forest management is.
I'm sure they have the info, but what a great political football it is.
It's not about solving problems, it's about arguing about problems until the pension is locked in and the checks for "public service" are consistent and reliable.
The politicians aren’t interested in real life solutions unfortunately
Congress needs 'Assistance' with every single element it is attempting to handle.
Until a big company goes and explains to congress what money is and ways to get more of it.
And just think how beautiful and productive a properly managed forest would be
Interesting and educational (as always). I remember my Dad saying that the Vikings girdled the trees they used for boatbuilding so they dried standing up. Then they cut them down when they were ready to build the boat.
They also used torrefecation which is heating up the wood without any oxygen present which made the Oak virtually water proof and much stonger and lighter. Which you can imagine how hard that is to do on a plank thats over 50 feet long. But yeah they would need over 100 Oak trees of perfect dimensions and with the correct curve for the bows. I did a project on the Gokstad ship in my school and I found some water speed tests and the viking were about dead on with the most efficient way a boat of that size could move through the water. If I remember like 18-20 knots with only a square sail of a couple hundred square feet.
This guy deserves a million subscribers
I enjoy your humor.
Hey mate, in Australia we call that ringbarking, same process same results. Love your channel, keep on keeping on
Good to see you have worked out the jobs for battery saw.
"That' why I wear a hard hat" Love it lol
I am totally in agreement with the posted comment on you going in front of Congress with your impressive wisdom. The "Service" of the; USFS definately needs an Education, a staff cut from the top down and a yearly continued Education certification course and test to remain employed.
The problem isn't that the forest service doesn't know how to do this, it's that they've got hundreds of thousands of square miles and only 30,000 employees. Nowhere near enough for this kind of intensive management of individual trees.
@whynotcaptaincrunch please; tell us more. I watched a 418'000acre fire burn every hard earned tax paid for, dollar of my retirement up. And it started on table top from one tree struck by lightning that the head supervisor of the NSF, on 12 news said; they had on there computor showing its inital strike point and that they were aware of it and were monitoring it feeling the one tree would burn its self out.
Now get this; admittal to being aware, and monitering it, in a town/city, with a rehabed airport turned into a U.S. airforce training flight school, "plenty of aircraft fuel", a NSF fire Plane and heli at the ready 65 miles east of the AF base, a 6 decades old reseivore Klamath Lake 12 miles from the lightning strike, and numerous states fire contractors parked awaiting just outside a high power supply line. Providing California with power, ready and willing too go into that wild fire that WAS NOT licking mine nor anyone else's heels as we complied with thee evactuate now orders,, and those contractor's were told to stand down and protect those HV power lines if it broke thru.
This was the Bootleg Wild fire started 30-35 miles west on one tree encomposed 12 acres at day one.
They monitored it alright,, as it burned, homes and families and your si called; wildlife management of numerous species like the protected "Ponderosa" spotted owl nesting trees. And the protected spongi ground covered dead and down 3ft high kindeling box Forest floor. The NFS needs educated from there neally weally pattern of wreckless work less and let mother nature "lightning", do the work of medigation of catastrophic results, all while doing as there told, clock in, clock out enjoy there weekly pay, benefits while building there retirement pay. It's called a; "SERVICE", for a reason. Any service requires physical management by WORKING. Teach them that and re-evaluate that with annually given continued educational training and testing.
My retirement from back breaking labor of 35 years as a Contract construction Plumbing life, scraping and saving every dime to enjoy in my later years burnt up on my 17.88 acre land along with wildlife and over 4000 various 100+ year old live trees.
Looks like you and that battery pack saw are getting along pretty good. I'm liking it😊
I girdled me a couple trees yesterday. One was a white pine crowding out a couple hickory saplings and a dogwood. I didn't feel like cleaning up the slash so I girdled it. Call me lazy.
Wilson is our “ringer” in the forestry world.
The forest is beautiful, and your tree-cutting skills are truly amazing! 🎉
Here here brother , thank you, Strength And Love.
it's a good thing you came back tomorrow to talk about timing it so the bugs wouldn't use them for breeding grounds, because I would have asked that if you didn't. and sorry, I don't know any bug trainers.
Thanks for your efforts and content!
Winderdome Resort!
Michael: Question: Why not put those smaller trees on the ground to speed up breaking them down? In my much smaller forest, the undesirable trees I cut and leave them on the ground. I do leave a few bigger trees for bugs and birds, but lots of smaller ones I drop. Interested to why. Thanks.
I just learned about that. Cool.
Can we get that large tree falling as the intro!! Great content and keep up the good work.
Great video again mate, well done. However here in Australia it's illegal to ring bark a tree with a circumference greater than 1 metre or trees more than 3 metres high, or with a crown of more than 2 metres, they will require a permit to remove, unless it's a declared pest species. I can't seem to find out why, but "The standard LEP, Local Environment Plans (LEPs), make (it illegal to ringbark, cut down, top, lop, remove, injure or wilfully destroy any prescribed trees." Of course there are ways around this, we live in a bushfire prone area so if you claim to be doing it for fire management no-one dares to question you. 🙂
Nice to know electric chainsaws don’t require chaps! Love your content, keep it up!
Maybe it’s just your microphone, but that saw sounds better than all the other electric saws I’ve heard that make a horrible sound in the part of my hearing I have left. 👍🏼
I love the humor 🤣, bug trainer
I have never seen anything so strange. The unwanted trees are removed and nothing else.
Mint
HI FROM ARGENTINA!!!! GREAT CAHNNELL!!! NEXT TIME PUT ON SOME CHAPS BUDDY!!!
I was always told madrone trees are a coastal tree and don't do well very far inland. And here you are with a good number of the on your eastern side land, how can that be so??
I tried to keep shade when we had to take millions of acres of Mountain Pine beetle fuel down to mitigate Gi Normous forest fire in lightning prone zones. lol and along come the skidder, having fun knocking all that shade down. lol.
What would be the benefits of girdling instead of felling the tree, especially if you're not gonna harvest the wood?
I was wondering that in the first half of the video, but he mostly covered it by the end.
#1: You don't have to harvest it (work). Especially important when it's not marketable and not near a road. Why do a lot of hard work if you aren't going to get paid for it?
#2 Felling the trees may damage the neighboring trees that you are saving
#3 Dead trees leaves habitat for bugs, birds, etc.
#3: Neighboring trees can adapt to the increased sunlight over one or more seasons, instead of having to cope with a sudden drastic increase in sunlight.
I found this super interesting. I was always told that standing deadwood needs to be removed for fire management (the bunk never let it burn theory). I was only familiar with girdling as a way to prepare next year's firewood. Basically, it dries standing that way, and can be put to immediate use when harvested. Also used in log cabin construction, and (traditionally) to dry wood standing before floating logs downriver.
@that.schamp thank you.
I do have some more questions tho, as i don't fully understand reasons 1, 2 and 3.
If you fell the tree, you don't necessarily have to get firewood / lumber out of it, you can just leave the tree on the ground? That way it still leaves a habitat for the bugs. Maybe less for birds but still other animals.
I can see how you don't want to damage the other trees by felling it, but if you kill it, the tree will fall on its own in idk how many years. Maybe the tree will lost a bit of its branches and also some weight due to rotting, but then the tree just falls wherever gravity wants to take it. The trees will have grown too, so the gap of where it can fall without creating a huge mess and damaging other trees will only grow smaller.
Reason 4 is something I didn't think of and might be a good reason. I don't really know how a sudden increase in sunlight negatively impacts the tree as it's not really a stress factor like wind or cold or rain, but a gradual change surely can't be bad.
Does the electric saw appear to be safer against kickback?
in a future video can you explain why the Madrone look the way they do, with most of the bark missing? I live in Maine, and it is interesting to me as we do not have this species here. Thanks, great work love the videos. JeffinMaine.
The bark peels off as an adaptation to remove pests and fungi, anything else that wants to grow on a tree. Similar to a eucalyptus. Madrone is a relative of manzanita
@@bonespur2728 thanks
I would love a video on the value in leaving wild life snags. Sorry if i missed it in the back catalogue.
Are you adding to the fuel load by leaving the standing snags?
A limited amount, but a calculated risk. Removing the lowest branches is far more important.
Snags (standing dead) are super-valuable to hundreds of avian, mammalian and buggy species and each create a micro-habitat.
@@lpeterman Thanx, I posted this before he completed the video and he explained these factors.
@@ryoungatlmidotnet No problem. I didn't wait for him to 'splain before I jumped in.
Western Oregon is pretty damp right about now.
What are the trees with no bark? Are they dead or close to it?
If you mean the smooth looking ones they are the madrones aka arbutus species , they are thin barked and also exfoliate themselves yearly which helps them shed any pests that may have laid eggs etc in the bark layer .
I think that's just what madrone looks like
Ok. Here in Nova Scotia 🇨🇦 we don’t have that type of tree.
400 acres of timberland outside of Eugene, OR. Do you have plans to clearcut and replant? I ask because your stand looks a little stressed. Hard to tell through a video but it seems like you got a lot of dead or dying trees. Also, I was amused with the small saw used in this video vs. the Stihl with the 32-inch bar used to cut a small tree in the "leaning tree vid" :):)
These ones... I can't help but ask, is it necessary?
Tricky cause madrones appear symbiotic with pine? Felling and leaving the trunk on the grd, then peeling off the bark slows spread and the birds can have a feast. The larvae and beetles live right under the outer layer of ponderosa bark. On the grd winged beetles cannot fly from tree top to tree top if left standing. Its a changing world.
I understand about liability and all, but could a non profit or a high school class…or a chain gang of non violent prisoners be able to help out? My son donates firewood off the tree farm he manages to a honor camp and they help clean the land up. May be impractical but just throwing it out there
What's that thar thing yer girdlin' with, a sewing machine? Sure sounds funny!
Why don't you have any birch trees.?
In Maine fir trees are garbage. We do Not burn coniferous trees. Only hardwood.
Your west coast dug fir don't impress one tiny bit.
I don't think you can say that leaving the tree in place helps the birds. Anything that stops their flight-path is a hazard to Aerial Navigation.
Eventually, the girdled trees are going to fall. By not felling them now, don't you leave it to chance that they will fall and damage valuable trees?
They all are smaller trees won’t damage the larger ones enough
If left to dry standing up, they can be used as firewood with little to no drying time in the wood shed.
They won’t fall for several years yet.
They usually fall piece by piece, plus the dry wood is a lot lighter than green and there's no mass from leaves or needles.
Hay Captain obvious your videos have a lot better impact when you use the 32" Stihl...
No, they really don't.
Halloween special!
Making it tough for the environmentalists to argue since you are using an electric saw to kill the trees.
*pseudoenvironmentalists.
But he didn't hug a single tree first .
Crap I'm an indoor tree
Here here brother , thank you, Strength And Love.