My trip to Danley Sound Labs || Hyperion! Mindblowing!
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
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Thanks Erin for sharing your initial impression of this prototype. All the praise, coming from you, has sparked my interest in knowing more about this future offering. I will wait for their public announcement of the MSRP, but we'll aware that if I have to ask, I most assuredly can't afford them... Great clip, thanks again!
Thank you for introducing this speakers. I never heard about them, mega interested. I hope DSL share plans and sell the drivers for diy cabinetry, we are in south America and got very affordable cabinet builders here.
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Full range group delay measurement or full range phase (same thing) would be what could show it. Also, harmonic distortion measurement. The Danley synergy horns have acoustic crossovers that help eliminate distortion. I've learned over time with Danley also is that their speakers typically output way more than necessary so at 95dB they are using about one watt. The magic is how the Danleys sound accurate at all volumes and all frequencies and most speakers aren't dynamic at all frequencies. I'm very familiar with all Danley models and I use them mixing live audio a few times per week. In home or live audio they are incredible. I've yet to hear speakers that sound better than theirs and I've heard hundreds of live and audiophile/home speakers. I agree with you I've heard speakers costing $200k plus and they do not compare to a $10k pair of Danley speakers lol.
I heard my first Unity Horns back in the early 2000s and it was a revelation. I was a horn hater until hearing these and I can't say I've heard anything better. I built my own 14 years ago and haven't looked back.
Thanks for a great report. I suspect that the large room contributed significantly to the lack of listening fatigue. When would really have to try high output speakers in the same word very least similar spaces before a tributing the lack of fatigue to the speaker. Another factor that may diminish listener fatigue is speaker related: intermodulation distortion. The horn in the 215-in woofers will certainly reduce this although a two-way will push things in the other direction. Thanks again!
Loving that intro. PB Sack lunch used to be so amazing.
Thanks for sharing your road trip experience. That type of horn always has intrigued me and I am sure done right, like these guys do it, you get coherent sound top to bottom for the wide range they cover.
You would probably need to plan on using DSP/ Dirac to make these work in a normal room without overwhelming the lower ranges. But with the $$$ you need to invest in these, that is probably a given.
13:09… the BEST PA speaker I’ve ever heard. Blew me away!
You need to demo Alcons Audio pro ribbon speakers! They have the best imaging in the world in my opinion. Their tech is crazy how from 80-20khz the waveform is so perfect. DSL produce great products as well and were on my list of finalists. I want some for my garage setup at some point.
So youve auditioned every speaker!? Now thats impressive!
Man now I want to hear these speakers even more. End game speakers. Regarding the lack of ear fatigue, my JTR 212RTs do the same thing(though probably not to that level). My Genelec 8351b can play really loud and clean, but I still find that the JTRs can play 8-10dB louder with about the same level of ear fatigue. I'm guessing these are even a level above that.
I think ear fatigue is about being "loud in one spot" e.g. there is a resonance or a frequency that sticks out like a sore thumb, and if it happens to be in the range of 500 to 7000 Hz where the ear is most sensitive. Also harmonic distortion can cause a lot more content in this range when you turn it up. Bass frequencies won't generally give you ear fatigue, unless they are at a level which makes you feel like your ears have "popped", which is usually higher than you reach in a home audio setting.
Interesting take Erin even though a bit disappointing for not having a peep of the DSL and a chat with lads there.
I don’t have the kind of audio equipment (mics, boom, etc) to do in-person interviews. But maybe one day. 👍
I've got a powered pair of SH50 horns, I'd love to hear the Hyperions! It's been years since I visited the Danley office.
Impressive if you like it! Need a smaller stand mounted version now!
There is one, it is the Studio 2.Same technology, different speakers and different amp and DSP. It is in my room right now and sounds absolutely fantastic.
One of the benefits of large pro speakers, is that they transfer the energy into the air more efficiently than home speakers. The coupling of sound to the air produces more realism, dynamacism (your term,) or jump factor.
Probably the lack of distortion and resonances made it so the volume isn’t as draining that loud.
incredible video !! i know that meyer sound had pretty extensive research on the phase linearity / soundsstage quality correlation for their bluehorn system, however i dunno how much is public. that should help in understanding why coax tend to be "better" at spatialisation (maybe linked to on/ off axis linearity )
Meyer Sound blue isn’t in the same league of design.
Really interesting! Thank you very much for your time and input informing many of us not familiar with this technology.
Any chance to test their studio monitors out? Good going on the day trip, sounds like a long journey for one day. Another great idea listening and testing out non mainstream designs. Thanks for the continued effort and videos.
Possibly.
Have u heard the jbl m2 set up most dynamic setup I've heard even more than the focal utopia em there big half million dollor speaker something about a horn done right just has out of this world dynamics
I haven't. Maybe one day.
Hey Erin, I really enjoyed this vid. Awesome that you were able to visit DSL and hear the Hyperions, as well a bring one of Tom's Synergy Horns home to put on the NSF!!! :)
I'm very interested to hear about your findings in regards to the required test procedures for it, and ultimately how "it measures". Do you know yet how low in frequency (F3) this Synergy Horn reaches on its own without the 15" woofers?
Cool stuff, and dammit, now I'm craving a PB&J, LOL!
Tom is my audio grandfather lol xx
Low distortion speakers produce much lower ear fatigue. Distortion produces more ear damage than volume (within reason of course) from my experience.
Wow this anecdote really has me wanting to build a pair of high sensitivity towers with the b&c coaxial horn drivers. Luckily they are way to expensive for me to justify right now lol. I’ve been wanting to pair them with either a pair of eminence lab 12s or 15s for some full range speakers. Either that or get some higher sensitivity woofers to pair with them and just have dedicated subs.
Anyway, great video! Nothing but quality from you and I can’t wait for what you have next.
Seaton Cat12c utilizes coax B&C drivers, quite capably I might add.
If you're doing vented maybe one of the Eminence kilomax 18 drivers as they are good for boxes tuned in the upper 20s and probably play higher than a lab and use less amp power
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Nice field trip Erin, beats going to the museum. Did they say what drivers they are using?
I don't recall the specific models but they were BMS and Faital drivers.
Did you ever get to try out the ILE3?
My DIY speakers are not coaxial but are DSP distance-corrected for my listening position, and their imaging is spookily palpable. I also resonate with Erin's comment about the challenge of verbally characterizing the sound of a speaker that seems to just get out of the way of the music. It has to be heard to be understood. You know you are on the right track when your focus shifts from judging the speaker to judging the recording and you find yourself seeking out the exceptional recordings that have successfully captured the spatial and timbral magic of a musical event.
I also have the same 4 channel DSP with Smaart software, this sounds like a super expensive system that you will not find in almost any speaker store and the FS is 27 Hz, lower makes no sense anymore as that 27 Hz is already like a heavy thunderstorm sounds above your head.
I had a party in my house we play all night long music very loud on my JBL M2 same happened, but I dont Use Crown I class amp, istead I use ols school 4x Urei 6260 🙃
I have JBL M2 drive 4xUREI 6260 also loud but not fatigue…
When you say you can pick out lower frequencies but not high frequencies . . . What your experience is demonstrating is the psychoacoustic "critical band." We hear less accurately as we progress to higher frequencies. These bands of audio are much more forgiving when it comes to speaker response.
Erin dutch dutch you tired they went to 20hz right
I think they started to roll off around 25Hz (anechoically). But in room they got DOWN.
Any update on the measurements of the SH-50?
Not yet. Hopefully I can start next weekend.
Erin, MSRP is $24,999 and they are powered. You are correct on output being in the 120 range as well as magnitude response going down to 15Hz. They are an experience for sure.
The pair or each?
@@nicktube3904 price is for each. If you want an actual quote and don't mind telling me your location I could get you info.
When you’re ready to road trip to Ft Smith Arkansas holla at cha boy!
I’m gonna camp in your backyard!
@@ErinsAudioCorner yo I gotta studio! I got chu
I’m not even gonna fart in it. That’s how much I respect you.
That DSL Hyperion prototype looks like a domestic high end product, not a high end PA monitor..
That’s what it is. It’s their home audio speaker. 😎
@@ErinsAudioCorner Oh cool!! It’s about time DSL goes into the home audio market.. I mean there have been (patented?) kits from Australia from Red Spade Audio, etc.. But really nothing in the mainstream..
You could use those speakers in an actual cinema let alone home cinema.
You don’t actually say whether they said yes to taking home the synergy module, but it seems they said yes (?) since I see one with your Kippel rig. Any forecast on testing?
Not yet. I was going to last week but I couldn't lift it on the platform even with my neighbor helping me. It's too dang heavy. I'm literally going to have to buy an engine lift so I can get it on the platform. Dead serious. Shopping them now. 😮
They are probably quite cheap compared to 2 Chainz blowing $300k on omnidirectional speakers in a place with the acoustics of a public bathroom.
Yeah, I believe those were the MBL speakers. (I saw that episode along with some of his other "most expensivist shit" episodes).
JTR new company RTJ Audioholics measured in room bass at 2 HZ
👍👍!
Looks amazing
Curious what electronics did they use?
I don’t even recall. Most likely PA amps. I believe the music was even streamed off a phone via Bluetooth at one point. 😃
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@@ErinsAudioCorner that sounds a bit perplexing - so a compressed BT stream on these speakers sounded better to you than any other system you've heard ?? This is where those preaching blind testing as " the only valid subjective method" would have a field day
@@BogdanWeiss it’s really isn’t, speaker quality dominates the subjective audio quality. It’s far easier to hear the difference in speakers than audio files
@@Azzy_Mazzy I agree.. then when when you directly compare against higher quality sources, then the delta is just that much wider between mediocre speakers and outstanding ones..
Website says password protected?
Worried about looking like a super nerd by pulling his phone out but owns his own Klippel......errrrr, OK.
WHERE IS THE TOUR? OR THE FIELD TRIP? All I saw was one person giving a monologue. Whatever.
I bet you’re fun at parties.