I still cant get over how upbeat you seem about Gen3. It's proved to be no more raceable, way more fragile and way more expensive overall - revealing itself to have major design flaws that need constant re-engineering. Thanks for the updates Brad but I do feel for you.
Sounds a bit like Grandpa's axe. Sure it's had a new head, two new handles and a new wedge, but it's grandpa's axe! If you replace everything forward of the rear roll hoop, is it really chassis 12, or is it a new chassis with 12's rear end grafted on? I imagine the difference is important for Super2 where no new builds are allowed at the moment. By calling it a "repair" to chassis 12 it still has main game pedigree and is therefore eligible for Super2 whereas a fresh new build won't be.
I think the purpose of the rule is to make sure there is value in old main game cars beyond top tier running rather than performance. Particularly with the ZBs which there are not a lot of in the super 2 pool.
@@spearo16 I expect it's as you say but also to try and keep costs down in Super2. If new builds were allowed, it would be easy to imagine Super2 moving a the point where an aspiring young racing driver who wanted to compete for the Super2 title would have to buy/build a fresh new chassis to level the playing field with the other drivers who've done the same. Which makes a 1 or 2 year Super2 campaign much more expensive. If everyone has a "used" car no one needs to spend on a new build to be competitive.
@@JimOHalloranbut as you say, when you’re essentially rebuilding everything, bar one small section, at what point does it become a new build, just rebadged as Chassis 12
@@ck867 I know all of the CoTF chassis (and presumably Gen3 too) have a Supercars inspection plate and serial number attached to them. So maybe as long as that plate and some parts from the old chassis find it's way onto the "new" chassis it's not a new build? I dunno.
So a engineer designed a chrome moly chassis with basically 1.6mm exhaust tube wall thickness , so now there is torsional twist which will lead to tube fatigue. Some one needs to go back to engineering school or go and see how a Nascar chassis is built.
Thanks to aircraft grade chrome moly tubing which i had a great hand in it ,when i visited perkins engineering in moorabbin and sprke to larry and russell ingall back in 1998/99 time period. Now they make it in all different angles and shapes to suit various car shapes, pre made, but because of gen rules they make it all to spck based on the gen 3 rules, no getting around it at all? 🦘🦘👌👌✌✌👍👍😎😎
Thanks Brad. Very interesting, as usual.
Thanks Brad. Go well in Tas
I still cant get over how upbeat you seem about Gen3. It's proved to be no more raceable, way more fragile and way more expensive overall - revealing itself to have major design flaws that need constant re-engineering.
Thanks for the updates Brad but I do feel for you.
Agree....it will always be Tailem Bend to me....
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Curious as to how much extra weight has been added to a bare chassis with modifications over the life of the current generation?
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Sounds a bit like Grandpa's axe. Sure it's had a new head, two new handles and a new wedge, but it's grandpa's axe! If you replace everything forward of the rear roll hoop, is it really chassis 12, or is it a new chassis with 12's rear end grafted on? I imagine the difference is important for Super2 where no new builds are allowed at the moment. By calling it a "repair" to chassis 12 it still has main game pedigree and is therefore eligible for Super2 whereas a fresh new build won't be.
I think the purpose of the rule is to make sure there is value in old main game cars beyond top tier running rather than performance. Particularly with the ZBs which there are not a lot of in the super 2 pool.
@@spearo16 I expect it's as you say but also to try and keep costs down in Super2. If new builds were allowed, it would be easy to imagine Super2 moving a the point where an aspiring young racing driver who wanted to compete for the Super2 title would have to buy/build a fresh new chassis to level the playing field with the other drivers who've done the same. Which makes a 1 or 2 year Super2 campaign much more expensive. If everyone has a "used" car no one needs to spend on a new build to be competitive.
@@JimOHalloran part of it as well no doubt but if there is money to spend they will figure out how to spend it 😂
@@JimOHalloranbut as you say, when you’re essentially rebuilding everything, bar one small section, at what point does it become a new build, just rebadged as Chassis 12
@@ck867 I know all of the CoTF chassis (and presumably Gen3 too) have a Supercars inspection plate and serial number attached to them. So maybe as long as that plate and some parts from the old chassis find it's way onto the "new" chassis it's not a new build? I dunno.
So a engineer designed a chrome moly chassis with basically 1.6mm exhaust tube wall thickness , so now there is torsional twist which will lead to tube fatigue. Some one needs to go back to engineering school or go and see how a Nascar chassis is built.
Thanks to aircraft grade chrome moly tubing which i had a great hand in it ,when i visited perkins engineering in moorabbin and sprke to larry and russell ingall back in 1998/99 time period. Now they make it in all different angles and shapes to suit various car shapes, pre made, but because of gen rules they make it all to spck based on the gen 3 rules, no getting around it at all? 🦘🦘👌👌✌✌👍👍😎😎