Pretty much. If we go by canon powerscalling she would wipe most of the cast from smash with little difficulty outside of some of the kid icarus characters and Kirby.
READ MY LIPS.. IF YOU USE A ZERO TO DEATH TACTIC OR BREAK THE RULES, YOU DESERVE THE HATE. PLAY THE GAME AND HAVE HONOR, DONT JUST SPAM OR ZERO TO DEATH TO WIN
I don't think I missed anything, you choose to do those things, to act unsportsmanlike to use those tactics and you deserve the ridicule. Nobody cares about making a system fair just the winning.
@Charles Wolfanger It isn't. A guest character is someone from outside of the franchise. Smash is a compilation of characters that have appeared in Nintendo consoles, nobody there is a guest.
>Simping over Bayonetta until she gets put into the game. >She is OP >You complain that she is OP and hate her. >You play her because you wants free wins. This is called corruption. You are part of the problem.
@Nicholas Davis Don’t know much about melee, but I swear people have complained about fox for ages; maybe they just kind of resigned to it. Makes sense for a game both that old, and unable to be patched
That's Nintendo's response to literally everything the smash community has ever said/asked for. They're by far the most neglected community in esports, despite being one of the most devoted ones.
Two takes: One, it's less that a character ruined the game, and more that... a very immature and toxic community threw a collective temper tantrum (which is sadly common for the more "vocal" Nintendo stans, from what I've seen). Two, Bayonetta would LOVE to know that she pissed this many people off, and that's hilarious to me.
I wish people could stop complaining and just ban Bayo, then make a Bayo exclusive bracket. And, of course have the top champions in each fight to see if any champion can beat her.
Welllll tbh I can relate a lot because the same thing happened to OW and Brig. Brig broke the game... viewership dropped and people left and the community was frustrated for a year and a half while Blizzard figured out what to do about goats. It was a painful experience and someone who loves the game so I guess I can relate.
People throw a tantrum because it ruins the fun of the game. No one wants to play a game where one character is just absolute OP, it's a kusoge and people will trash it to play something better.
Should’ve mentioned that MKleo picked Bayonetta at the smash ultimate invitationals hosted by Nintendo with Sakurai watching to make sure Bayonetta got gutted
@@equinox3861 It did, it was crazy watching the live stream Edit: And his opponent was playing Ridley so yeah crazy doesn't even begin to describe that moment
@@equinox3861 Yeah Sakurai realized the balance team hadn't done enough to prevent her ladder combos and so they gutted her a bunch by making her move set much laggier then it was in Smash 4. Now she is low/mid tier and everything is alright in the world.
@@appleant1083 she was fun in smash 4 as well just because of how satisfying her combos are to pull off. they aren’t hard, but it’s like a little dopamine button when you 0-death someone
Im not that good at Smash and only played Bayonetta because she one of my favorite game characters in general xD Then ppl said "OH I hate her! she's so OP!"
ikr, it looked like he was scared he was gonna get hit. By the look on his face it was probably one of his first tournaments too so that makes it even more sad.
@@asifmetal666 Yes, but to what degree. some communities are more disgusting than others. i know the game is loved by many but the reason people think gamers are incel freaks is because of overreactions like this. Bayonetta was available and they chose her, they obeyed the rules and when they didn't they got penalized and then abided by them. All is legal, even spams and other cheese moves. Blame Nintendo for the buffs but don't behave like man-children. i don't like the sjw journalists like at kotaku but sometimes they are right with how toxic and sad some gamers are. PS- Ceresa is my love. Can't wait for BAYONETTA 3.
@Frax That makes no sense. different communities revolve around different franchises and certain people gravitate to what franchise interest them. thus some communities are more prone to have toxic people. thus various degrees of toxicity exists.
Yeah, that part of the video made me laugh. I mean if a video game character has ruined your life well... you didn't have much of a life to begin with.
@Frax that is my point. a game can attract certain people. these people may have certain behaviors that become toxic over time. The game may have been aimed at a demographic but no developer can tell how the demographic will behave over time. They tailor to people not deplorable behaviour. it is out of the game's and developers hands in most cases. Example the SJWs in the Overwatch community. they are addicted to lgbtq to the point they bully others. Thus some communities are more toxic than others. i prefer the smash community over the Overcrotch community.
bro worked his ass off with his favorite character and his opponent raged like a baby in a public setting, its honestly no ones fault but the opponents to get angry in a setting like that, he can go be angry once hes not in the venue anymore but thats really immature
"She almost ruined the lifes of the players who picked her" This makes for a neat summary but i hate it cause it deflects responsibility of smash's infamously toxic competitive community.
Again I say: games that weren't designed to be played competitively, shouldn't be played competitively. Want a competitive fighting game? Tekken, Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, DoA. Smash has been, is, and will always be, a party fighting game. Not a competitive. Otherwise what is the point of having items, moving maps, and final smashes? They aren't tournament legal, and they're core functions to the game.
@@silentcalling smash has been competitive for more than a decade, It is competitive by design and a history of balance issues does not chance that. Sure, It has s Lot of casual content with fun itens and lots of rng, but none of that extra content is a "core mechanic".
It just bums me out. Like, fellas, these guys have souls to you know. Hate on Puff, or Bayo or Hero all you want, but please for the love God at least show the players common human decency
i was going to say this. Bayonnetta didn't ruin anyone's lives. The community's reaction to her did. Not saying she wasn't a problem but this isn't the last time a really powerful character will be introduced to smash. We need to do a better job a dealing with toxicity
@Darkzeroprojects the ballot is a first past the post system and everyone voted for meme characters like Goku and Shrek, so literally, most of the votes had to be discarded. Bayo ended up being the character with the highest amount of votes at the end
@@xlectraheart This is such a dumb fucking take. Many of the nintendo characters are broken as hell in their own games, but people arent complaining about how they are tuned down in Smash because its how you balance the game. People wanted Bayo in the game expecting her being toned down, naturally. I really cant believe it when people bring this shit up.
@@lyrickredwater7067 that game looks like shit lol. I think ill just stick to doom and interesting single player campaigns. Whatever the fuck shes from. 0 interest.
I remember being so excited, because I love the Bayonetta games, but every time I played her, my friend would just groan, even though I barely knew how to use her. Sucks to be someone who just likes a character, even when you have no competitive standing, lol
I play bayonetta in smash ultimate (my first real smash game) and my friends still complain because I know how to combo with her, like yes I can rack up damage but that damage is nothing without reliable kills
Sad thing is your friend who complained about her despite you barely knowing how to play her was literally just like 65% of the smash community lol they complaining bout basic little avoidable things over simply learning the matchup. The energy they spent complaining could of been put towards getting better
@Genocide is fun u say it was impossible to beat her yet she won only 3 majors in her time lmao that don't sound like impossible to beat n also yeah pro players complained about her but guess what else pro players did? They learned the matchup, they studied how to beat her, they actually put the work in compared the typical casual who complained about her yet still decided to never learn how to di or sdi n continued to be overly aggressive vs a character that had the best counter in the game. Yes, if played by a pro player the best character in a game will be very tough to face but at a casual level spending a little bit of time learning the matchup instead of complaining makes a massive difference. Y'all act as if every person that picked up bayo could read sdi, adjust their combos, play optimally in neutral n take advantage of every little mistake
You can only hate on Bayo players so much before they start hating you back. People at my local hate me bc I always get top 5 with Bayo in ultimate. One dude when disconnected his controller bc I combod him once *while he was winning*. People don’t hate Bayo bc she’s still good. People want her to still be good bc they hate her.
@@nomanm.5884 lol that's what i was thinking too. people must be underestimating salem because he used a busted character in smash 4. he's still a top player with solid fundamentals and can put in work with anyone. his results in ultimate have still been good with various characters.
@Tesseracthanos The topic of discussion isn't to do with Bayo, it's about the skill gap between the two players. It's quite tight in my opinion and if they both played with their best characters 100 times in a row, the games would really go down to the wire. You guys are seriously underestimating Salem's skill, just because he used a broken character in sm4sh you all think he was carried.
This is why I really don't like alot of the people in the Smash community and maybe the Nintendo community in general, a majority of the people here are either always complaining about a game and can never be happy until there ideal perfection of a game has been reached or they are fucking no personallity nerds that rage quit if you beat them.
Weiner Lover idk the average game, yes, but competitively not really. Pro Players don’t get shit talked for playing a certain character because everyone knows that for competitive games top tear champions will be played
A more recent version of this is Leroy for Tekken 7 in Evo Japan 2020. All the top players who refused to play Leroy got beat. This resulted in a Top 8 with 6 Leroy players. I don't think any of the former champions and usual favorites got to Top 8. And the champion ended up being a Leroy player of course. When he won he said "pick Leroy". From what I remember, people were more angry at the Devs than the players. The players didn't get much hate, probably because there was so many of them.
The reason the bayo players got so much hate wasn't the character, it was homophobia. Regardless of sexuality the players were flamboyant and the community hated seeing them win on an easy character.
There’s a difference between one character winning all the time, and one player winning all the time. Joker is a top tier character, but you don’t see every joker player winning every tournament. But any pro that was never even close to getting in winners finals could pick up bayonetta and just dominate every game. That’s why players like Lima and captain zack got to grand finals but wouldn’t get so lucky in ultimate when bayo was not the same as in smash 4.
KerimCan_ZBZ 98 I never played 4, but from what I can tell it arguably ruined the competitive scene, I can see why the community was upset to say the least
If something is absurdly busted and you continue to use it and only it, you kinda deserve the hate. It happens all the time in other genres, especially in games like DotA, where a certain strategy is so stupidly powerful, yet boring to watch, that people will rage if they see you even try anything similar.
It's called variety bro, if sports like basketball was just LeBron vs a LeBron clone for a season it would lose appeal. Look at smash ultimate variety kept it strong, I seen joker, zss, olimar, Mario, among other win tournaments and produce amazing match ups.
When thousands of players claim Bayo was an unbalanced character there is a simple solution: ban it. Continuing to play it at competitive level was entirely on them, they can't complain.
There were a lot of people who wanted her banned at the time, but there were also a lot of people defending the character so she never got banned. Some of the main arguments against banning included: - You can SDI out of her combos (she can still kill you if she reads your SDI and at the very least you still take a lot of damage) - Statistically speaking, she didn't have super high representation or enough placements to warrant a ban (At local/regional levels, there were other characters with similar if not better usage rates. Wasn't super dominant at top level for a long time, and by the time she started to become noticably dominant it was already too late) - Brawl Meta Knight didn't get banned, and he was much more OP (he was going to get banned, but the only reason that didn't happen was because all the top players who played Meta Knight threatened to boycott tournaments that banned him) Nowadays the consensus is that she should have been banned (even most of her then-defenders agree), but at the time it was a very contentious topic. It is really interesting to see though, since there are a lot of parallels with Smash 4 Bayo and the current trajectory of Steve in Smash Ultimate. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself
Seeing how an action game character like Bayonetta literally ruined the experience for most players, I can kinda understand why they haven't put Dante in Smash...
when i heard that bayonetta wasin smash, i knew that her move setd would be op cause i saw her moves in the real game where she can do aerial attacks well and even, air dodge. She's broken cause she can do air dodge.. guess they kinda forgot to play test her.
The Smash Community made me stop playing smash. Even in local tournaments you'd have adults raging against kids and that made me think why do I want to be identified with this? so I stopped playing smash all together. It's just not worth it.
Same. I went to a big local event and while I had a lot of fun playing the actual matches (like for real, i got excited every time me or my opponents made a cool play), and playing on stage was one of the highlights of my life, I simply couldn't be around all the people there. Everybody that went acted like a kid, even the adults. It was weird and I felt out of place and too mature
No need to concern yourself with a part of the community that is a bit toxic for you just enjoy the game... Not the competitive scene since some of the complaints may come from people over there and those who watch it...
I mean if your talking UA-cam revenue maybe, but yeah, saying she ruined people’s lives seems a little over the top, like being sent death threats just for playing as her
@@zhaoyun255 I fell in love with Lars in Tekken 6, I still play him this very day, even with the heavy nerfs he received, but Lars was not dominating in many tournaments as much as Bob and Jack to ruin the game. Bob was mostly the reason Tekken 6 Esports was ruined
@@nousername191 I'd of done it too ngl. When a character in a game is so insanely broken it wrecks the competitive format, and doesn't get nerfed? They deserve the disrespect
That’s the thing though. They treated the grand final like it was just a friendly match, gave up a stock and stalled as a joke. They were doing it to piss off the community, and sure maybe that was warranted, but they shouldn’t expect any respect whatsoever after that.
@@olympian00 after receiving such ridiculous hate for playing the character most suitable for the situation I think being friendly with someone in the same situation as you while giving the finger to the haters is something I can respect lol
money that viewers paid to watch their game. pros can't be selfish and say i play to win and pick one sided hero and just ruin the fun out of tournaments.
Lima also still uses Bayonetta in Ultimate, showing that he’s fine with not getting carried, and still is an amazing player. Zack switched to Peach (an arguable top tier) and got bodied before he got banned.
Bayonetta was busted, but the gap between bayo and the rest of the cast wasn't as big as the gap between metaknight and brawls cast, putting her in a place where there were still a lot of people defending her. Also twitter wasn't such a big thing back then
@@Flamingpaperbag Meta Knight felt like a Melee character stuck in Brawl, it was ridiculous. IIRC the only non advantage matchups he had were Bowser and Diddy Kong. I had to pick-up Bowser as an alt to hold my own against the 11 meta knights dominating my scene. It was bonkers.
I always imagined Bayonetta watching Smash 4 streams and going "Jeanne, the babies are crying about me again." Then they both start laughing and literally feed off their tears. Lol
Funnily enough I hear her say "Piss off not my fault yall whiners can't handle a strong female fighter. Y'all let a fur scarf be top of the game" or something along those lines
@@toluolomolaiye6433 I can understand how it can be confused "it sucks how good bayonetta is" would probably be a better way for OP to write the sentence
@Julio Paulino calm down. Don’t get pissed at me for almost nothing. In case you’re unaware if something sucks it means it’s bad. All I said is that she didn’t suck because she wasn’t bad. You say I have no common sense yet you don’t seem to understand the meaning of one of the most commonly used words nowadays. OP is not a synonym for sucks so like I said, don’t insult me for my common sense when you don’t seem to have much either
Cereza, you’ve done it again. Our contract with hell will forever last due to these weaklings being sacrificed everyday. May the clan forever be. Sincerely, Jeanne.
The reason is not that it’s the best, it’s that it was completely unbalanced. Tourneys are supposed to test skill, and Bayo made it so you died before you could even freaking act at all.
They didn’t get mad because of bayo being op it was because they treated Evo grands like a joke and combined with playing an op character they made the whole tournament look bad
Ironic in the end. We caused our own destruction. I remember getting her back then and was happy that a character like her made it in. I played my cousins copy of Bayanetta which was more reason to excited. I stopped playing the game after becasue I would get bullied for using her. When you get bullied for using your favorite video game character.
Dagoberto Bobadilla Jr it is a sad truth. I played game bayonetta loving her character and everything about her. She was someone I wanted to play so much. And still play her game to this day. And seeing this breaks my heart seeing people bullied over using a character THEY VOTED TO BE IN THE GAME
mohammed jafer there’s a different between made up fighters and crossover characters. Made up characters are usually the game developer’s own idea about their own ip characters so it’s usually balanced after many tests. While, crossover characters are usually intended to be from their original source depends on how their own game functions work. Like Bayonetta, she usually can jump high and does sick combos in her own game.
@@trongtran8951 yea true makes sense, it was hard for them to create to many balanced crossover characters , I think what brawlhalla did is create fighter and just use crossover skins which was smart
@4:32 Dude wanted to pop-off but after seeing the violent control throwing and table smashing by his opponent, thought it was best to just sit quietly, rein in the victory fist pumping, clench your sweatshirt and pray he does not go off on you.
@@Player-jh4ko its a video game man. Who gives a rats arse. Don't be a baby and play the game. If you have a serious problem with it start a petition to ban it in tournaments you know. Blaming players using every legal move to win is just sad baby rage. Hmm I could win money by spending ages learning to play someone, or I could win money by playing this character that's in the game and not banned. Ez choice. Other gamed ban players. But the community was so busy crying at the players blaming them they did nothing. Take dota 2 for example, when they add a new hero that character from launch is automatically banned from all tournaments for several months to insure the integrity of the Pro scene. And when they feel its ready, gets added to the available hero's in the roster. Smash was just a dying scene that didn't know how to handle and obvious situation, while the community were a bunch of neckbeard babies who are the sort of people who would DM in an xbox message that they fucked your mum or would find and kill them
Salem is very good. He was definitely the best solo bayo. He's also doing very well in ultimate. Not as well as he was doing in sm4sh. Which does show that bayo did help him into the top 10. But to say that he is "carried" is too far
@@perplexity8260 I actually barely touched Bayo in Sm4sh because: 1) I played mostly on 3DS, which I didnt want to risk breaking the control stick over playing one character. 2) She didnt seem very appealing at all. 3) Sm4sh is a very defensive game, which I mostly preferred playing characters like Palutena, Zelda, and Marth. That isnt to say Bayo was fair. It's clear that they changed her combos in Ultimate to the point where the slightest DI will affect them. The problem is that Bayo doesnt have anything else to compensate for. She only has combos. When you remove a combo character's ability to combo well, they're not going to excel.
"How one character destroyed an Entire Game" *theScore esports: Talks about Bayonetta* Briggite for the first year after she came out in OW: Allow me to introduce myself
This all could’ve been avoided if they just banned bayo in competitive play, every class-based competitive game does when a character is OP, why couldn’t smash do it?
Because there was counterplay. Bayonetta was strong sure but She did have a few unfavourable matchups being Cloud,Diddy and Rosalina as an example. If the whole game was just Pick Bayonetta or you lose then there would’ve been a major ban towards the character. Like Hero in Ultimate he wasn’t banned because he was mid tier at best.
Fox is nowhere near as broken as Bayo. Not only that but the skill it takes to actually play it properly is way higher than that of playing as Bayo. And even then, Fox has a considerable amount of losing matchups in the higher tiers.
But theres falco or cpt falcon which are both great matches to fight fox. Fox is nuts but the thing is that he isnt OP... thats all that really matters in a fighting game. The better player should be the winner every time.
@eternity cosplay "Trust me this was the community fault for voting for that champion in first place." Naniiiiiii ???!!!! It could've gone either way, the hell ? Either *the developers* programmed the character in a fair way, or another way
The same thing could be said about sports but differently, if you play something competitively where you make large amounts money chances are you’re gonna take it seriously
I watched this again after watching Sephiroth reveal in Smash trailer, let's see what he'll bring. Because if he is even slightly lore accurate... then Smash will be facing a real *tyrant*
Yeah... No. If Smash was actually accurate, it would be Kirby>>Bayonetta>>>Pit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Like, everyone else. The three I mentioned are strong enough to accidently kill Sephiroth.
Bayonetta is one of my favorite series, and if you’ve played it, the idea that she invaded another game and ruined it by being broken and overpowered seems very on brand for her and I kind of love it.
I absolutely agree! This indeed transfers to Smash Ultimate. It's yet another reason why I'm proud to be a King K. Rool main. He may be a low/mid tier, but when given the chance to show what he can do, I believe he's more hype than any top-tier could ever dream of. Mostly because you rarely ever see what he's capable of along with many other lower tier characters. Honestly, I don't even like watching tournaments where top tiers are in the finals for this reason. I'm just sick of seeing the same characters like Joker and Pyra/Mythra for the 1,000th time! I mean let's face it... Their BS is not impressive anymore. Even then, there are some characters that are technically considered high/top tiers, but are criminally underrated. Inkling, my secondary, is a perfect example. Yes, she has her flaws, but players who take the time to learn her can prove she is capable of really cool stuff! It just upsets me that she's just outclassed by other top tiers to the point where there's no real reason to choose her over them. After all, why select a Squid that requires actual effort to be good when you could just play a Phantom Thief that's relatively easy to play and has a comeback mechanic (that is also very easy to get) that basically lets you take stocks for free... However, I won't let this madness stop me. I have a strong passion for the characters I play, and I'm not going to let the meta discourage me!
Mid and Low tiers (especially mid tiers) in ultimate are getting a good amount of usage in the game. Incineroar has been getting some solid results as of late for example thanks to Skyjay.
Meta Knight proceeds to get ladder comboed to death over and over. If he hits her she just counters with witch time and one shots him. with a Smash attack.
@@hayabuzon8219 Despite the brokenness of Meta Knight in Brawl, Bayo would probably win due to Smash 4's faster gameplay and Bayo's absurd combos. Meta Knight would be better on larger maps in comparison to Bayo, though, due to his near infinite recovery.
@@michalkopij7356 Smash 4 Bayo has less of a speed disadvantage than 90% of brawl's cast. She also has witch time and an unparalleled combo game, as well as a great recovery.
It's always an interesting discussion when a character is very powerful in a game. Many people will argue that characters carry players and this is rarely the case as most of the times those players have put in insane time practicing matchups to make it work. Bayo on the other hand is a shining example of a character that is so fundamentally powerful in the standards of Sm4sh that we saw a lot of players perform at high level with her that have since disappeared once Ultimate launched. Top Smash players quit playing Smash 4 for it's last half a year of competitive play because they knew the scene would be full of Bayo players, which it was.
Any game should be alwais played for fun. But ppl want to push the competitive button to make events and grab cash and post online how long their D is so it's alwais about close friends to have fun with or "the rest" to be judged, to never feel pleased by your own results etc.
@@sasuke65743 i guess my comment was off. I ment this game is only for fun do to it being a party game. Sure everything can be competitive and people take the fun out of everything but when compared to say sf or mk that are ment to be competitive its silly to think this is. Yes everything can be a competition but should it be? Maybe this makes more sense.
@@ASliceOfYoyleCake im old i guess. i use to play games when they were finished lol. but the buffs and nerfs come from competitive play. if no one played the game on a competitive lvl im pretty sure not much buffs or nerfs would come out except for say bugs. also im saying how the game use to be and for most part i think still is. its a party game. all the crazy stuff drops and smash attacks and what not. but also is the game not for fun? are you saying unfun games need to be buffed and nerfed? i dont understand 100% what you are saying. but think about all the craziness that happens in this game. anything can be competitive thou. slapping someone in the face to speed running zelda. to me at the end of the day smash is a party game ment to be played for fun. sure get a cpl friends together and have say a tournament. but buffs and nerfs have no meaning. hell there is a perfect way to play monopoly. people can make anything a compitition. hope this helps cause im kinda tired of explaining/talking about this.
@@gojoewhite1234 If for mk you are meaning Mario Kart then no, that game is also for fun. You can have your chill race, be a prick and camp on a crate generator or just aim to be first but it's alwais the players who determine if a game is competitive or not. And to be honest, that game lately became a fucking roulette, you never know how many shells or cheats you are up against online. Like ppl getting it by shells but instead to roll and stop like you, they keep going rolling but as nothing happened. It's sickening -.-
She is the most action character in a game ever, was made to be broken on her own games (a hacknslash game), but they brought too much from her original game mechanically.
@@obscure_genesis ganon side b is a command grab and wouldn't have activated witch time, worst case scenario is that she doesn't get grabbed by virtue of intangibility frames(which i think were a thing in smash 4 witch time iirc)
If the situation has taught me anything, it's how childish people are. The tantrums thrown over Bayonetta were embarrassing. And no, the character itself didn't ruin anyone's life. It's the community.
both of you are correct. Especially the 2nd reply. The whole community, (well maybe not the whole community, but still the majority), we’re asking for her, and the minute they get her, they fucking complain. I mean come on… Even Sakurai himself said that smash wasn’t supposed to be, and was never meant to be, (even though they still do it), a game played seriously. It was meant to be a game to play and to have fun.
@LiL Speng Maybe they shouldn't have been actively harassing everyone who played Bayo. Isn't there some unspoken rule in the competitive smash community...No John or something? Basically "yeah it's OP and broken. Stop complaining"?
She's still pretty good in Ultimate. Nowadays, you have to really work for the Smash 4 kills with Ultimate's balancing, but this time around, those kills feel earned, even if you don't survive the way back to the stage
I still remember that day at evo 2018. A lot of people rushed to watch grand finals and then a chunk left when it came to the 2 Beyonetta mains to face off. I can also remember everyone cheering for when the Sheik player nearly Ko’d Zack.
@@gregoriolupercio5535 I don't give a rats ass if she was broken. Almost every competitive format for video games has the intelligence to ban an op character. This was a toxic community problem
@@nikkiev1662 yeah...even Pokemon regularly bans OP Mons, don't really know why the community just didn't ban bayo to be playable in the tournaments. But it's kinda evident that a decent vocal part(atleast the ones on twitter) of the smash community are still immature crybabies if the DLC reveal reactions are anything to go by
@Julio Paulino ZSS taunts too, especially the down taunt. jokers gun is fake, but you would need to be familiar with the source material to know that. finally, palutena side taunt. how can they slip in a pole dance, yet mai cannot be shown even as a spirit?
There’s something hilarious about Bayonetta just coming in and clearing everyone and that being the end of Smash 4 😂 The fact that people voted for her as well makes it funnier. And people were saying they wanted Goku in Ultimate, and I’m guilty of wanting Dante.
They made a character that was, quite frankly, way too accurate to how she was in the game she came from.
Pretty much. If we go by canon powerscalling she would wipe most of the cast from smash with little difficulty outside of some of the kid icarus characters and Kirby.
Completly disagree, the problem was the 0-Death combo .. in a fighting game
@@soulplayrt463 I think you missed the point of what he said.
READ MY LIPS.. IF YOU USE A ZERO TO DEATH TACTIC OR BREAK THE RULES, YOU DESERVE THE HATE. PLAY THE GAME AND HAVE HONOR, DONT JUST SPAM OR ZERO TO DEATH TO WIN
I don't think I missed anything, you choose to do those things, to act unsportsmanlike to use those tactics and you deserve the ridicule. Nobody cares about making a system fair just the winning.
Community: hates Bayonetta
Nintendo: Hold on, this whole operation was your idea
Except the part were they made her so broken
It was our idea to add her into the game it was their idea to make her busted and over tuned.
@@Taintsnicely5434 *busty
@@Taintsnicely5434 If you spoke Japanese then, they'd listen.
Except it was actually Sakurai's.
“Bayonetta was the most hated smash character”
Meta knight: I’ve escaped this one
Brawl mk wasn't hated at all
Meta knight was the best
@@basileus295 but he was sick, most people liked him
Meta Knight was actually fun lol
We all loved using him, because he just felt so good
I mean her birth literally toppled the balance of light and dark in her game.
She is best girl
That's badass
Yeah she's op people just hate her because they where lost agianst her XD
Yup
@@justadragonnamemarcus1751 yup
@@justadragonnamemarcus1751 I mean yea that was the problem with her lol, she was easy to use and op just like how Meta Knight was in Brawl
Bayonetta: The Only Video Game Queen that could ruin a Game she is a Guest Character in.
Every single thing gets BlOcKeD
Hail to The Umbran Queen.
Nobody is a guest character in Smash. The whole premise of the game is that it's a crossover.
@Charles Wolfanger It isn't. A guest character is someone from outside of the franchise. Smash is a compilation of characters that have appeared in Nintendo consoles, nobody there is a guest.
@Genocide is fun No, because they all belong there due to the game's premise.
>Simping over Bayonetta until she gets put into the game.
>She is OP
>You complain that she is OP and hate her.
>You play her because you wants free wins.
This is called corruption. You are part of the problem.
Trust me I don’t hate her character but she was Broken af and I did hate playing against her
3 months later... Minecraft Steve tame Bayonetta
I hate the word Simp
@@gazzgaspay4841 SIMP THE SIMP
@Nicholas Davis
Don’t know much about melee, but I swear people have complained about fox for ages; maybe they just kind of resigned to it.
Makes sense for a game both that old, and unable to be patched
“I feel like a fu**ing celebrity in this town!”
haha
"See that? Everyone rushes at me like crazed fans. They still haven't figured out that I don't give autographs"
@@mekhiwatkins1535 Hehe...
What's this reference from?
@@Niceguyhidden first Bayonetta game
Smash 4: “yea I play her because I liked her games”
Ultimate: *drops her entirely*
She was never their mains, she just carried them.
at least bayonetta is still in the game. im ok with that.
@@rentheinferior8427 THE WINNER agrees 👍
Lima still plays bayo
Bayonetta is just a solid character now which is fine. From the Smash 4 DLC batch now Roy is the one that’s broken.
I main Roy lmao
"There were 3 Bayonettas in top 8 at Evo that year"
*laughs in Leroy*
Dbfz; LAUGHS IN GT GOKU , BARDOCK , AND KID BUU
Yes but this was Bayonetta post several nerfs, that how op she was
All the pros had o do is Battle expert bots with Bayonetta
Didn’t have to go down like this
Michael of Cainhurst yeah but leroy comes from a game with real competitive patches
Community: I hate this character
Nintendo: I missed the part where that’s my problem
Period
That's Nintendo's response to literally everything the smash community has ever said/asked for. They're by far the most neglected community in esports, despite being one of the most devoted ones.
@@noominiacal Cause they complain about too much
WE wAnt tHIS
*gets it*
WE dON't W aNT THis *cries in dumbass*
@@Animotion3D forgot the part that she was overpowered as fuck
A lore accurate character for one, just imagine if Dante gets in the game now.
Rip smash
They’ll be screaming their heads off lol
They're mad because it's in her mechanics from her own game.
Blame the creators
Dante in smash lol ok
Or Vergil
Two takes: One, it's less that a character ruined the game, and more that... a very immature and toxic community threw a collective temper tantrum (which is sadly common for the more "vocal" Nintendo stans, from what I've seen). Two, Bayonetta would LOVE to know that she pissed this many people off, and that's hilarious to me.
100% accurate on both account.
I wish people could stop complaining and just ban Bayo, then make a Bayo exclusive bracket. And, of course have the top champions in each fight to see if any champion can beat her.
Welllll
tbh
I can relate a lot because the same thing happened to OW and Brig.
Brig broke the game... viewership dropped and people left and the community was frustrated for a year and a half while Blizzard figured out what to do about goats.
It was a painful experience and someone who loves the game so I guess I can relate.
People throw a tantrum because it ruins the fun of the game. No one wants to play a game where one character is just absolute OP, it's a kusoge and people will trash it to play something better.
@@NihongoWakannai ruining the "fun" of the game doesnt mean ruining the lives of people who play the best pick in a competitive tournament...
Should’ve mentioned that MKleo picked Bayonetta at the smash ultimate invitationals hosted by Nintendo with Sakurai watching to make sure Bayonetta got gutted
Did that actually happen?
@@equinox3861 It did, it was crazy watching the live stream
Edit: And his opponent was playing Ridley so yeah crazy doesn't even begin to describe that moment
@@equinox3861 ua-cam.com/video/oR8TAwPWbYI/v-deo.html
@@equinox3861 Yeah Sakurai realized the balance team hadn't done enough to prevent her ladder combos and so they gutted her a bunch by making her move set much laggier then it was in Smash 4. Now she is low/mid tier and everything is alright in the world.
@@ryanduty4237 I still remember the moment when Sakurai realized "Oh no shes still stupid" with the small head shake
"I'm getting a little tired of these weaklings they keep throwing at me. Maybe I should aim for something a bit more...high class."
-Bayonetta
They better recognize, they are lucky that Sheba or Madama butterfly isn’t her final smash
@@sacredgemini4457 imagine arsen style umbran climax
@@octoberon that’s when Bayonetta tapped into her Angela Basset moments
Hello
@@octoberon gets final smash time for the final climax!!!!!!!!!!! -Bayonetta
“Bayonetta is arguably the most hated character”
Sonic: we’ll see about that
Bayonetta is still more hated
Mykal Richardson
Grow tf up kid
@@sullivans2004 I'm an Adult and I'm spitting Straight Facts
@@Richmykal1212 not really,people are baning sonic faster than people banned bayonetta,and funnily enough both are sega mascots.
bayonetta is most hated but greninja is kinda hated cause people get mad cause i win with 3 stocks and cant hit me
I wouldn’t say she almost ruined the lives of Bayonetta players, just the integrity of Smash 4
She basically did because all the peopke who played smash 4 or smash quit because bayonetta and they may not have anything left
@@gamersworld9289 doesn’t help that one of the biggest Bayonetta players in Smash 4 turned out to be a MASSIVE piece of shit.
Yeah that and smash 4 was way more aerial than the others
Which even fits bayonetta
Your comment is why I can't stand hardcore Smash Bros. players.
@@agreedboarart3188 i don’t even play smash
People: Bayonetta is OP
Me who only plays Smash when I go to my friend’s house and tried out Bayonetta because she was hot: 👁👄👁
yeah man, she has it rough in ultimate though
@@appleant1083 I mean.. Yeah
@@appleant1083 she was fun in smash 4 as well just because of how satisfying her combos are to pull off. they aren’t hard, but it’s like a little dopamine button when you 0-death someone
Im not that good at Smash and only played Bayonetta because she one of my favorite game characters in general xD Then ppl said "OH I hate her! she's so OP!"
THAT WAS LITERALLY ME FLDKDHFHSKIDD
4:30 feeling bad for this dude. Just enjoying the game and gets his smile wiped off completely by his opponents rage
ikr, it looked like he was scared he was gonna get hit. By the look on his face it was probably one of his first tournaments too so that makes it even more sad.
I blame the character
i blame the fact that they made her tooo op
yeah its really sad how toxic the smash community is
So sad for him. Yea he used an op character, but he deserves to feel like be won...because he did.
A character in a game did not ruin the players life, the toxicity in the community did. Hold people accountable.
Toxicity exist in all community. Look at Xbox Fanboys. They r worst at it
@@asifmetal666 Yes, but to what degree. some communities are more disgusting than others. i know the game is loved by many but the reason people think gamers are incel freaks is because of overreactions like this. Bayonetta was available and they chose her, they obeyed the rules and when they didn't they got penalized and then abided by them. All is legal, even spams and other cheese moves. Blame Nintendo for the buffs but don't behave like man-children. i don't like the sjw journalists like at kotaku but sometimes they are right with how toxic and sad some gamers are.
PS- Ceresa is my love. Can't wait for BAYONETTA 3.
@Frax That makes no sense. different communities revolve around different franchises and certain people gravitate to what franchise interest them. thus some communities are more prone to have toxic people. thus various degrees of toxicity exists.
Yeah, that part of the video made me laugh. I mean if a video game character has ruined your life well... you didn't have much of a life to begin with.
@Frax that is my point. a game can attract certain people. these people may have certain behaviors that become toxic over time. The game may have been aimed at a demographic but no developer can tell how the demographic will behave over time. They tailor to people not deplorable behaviour. it is out of the game's and developers hands in most cases. Example the SJWs in the Overwatch community. they are addicted to lgbtq to the point they bully others. Thus some communities are more toxic than others. i prefer the smash community over the Overcrotch community.
4:34 he went from being all fucking happy to terrified in like 2 seconds
Ikr. Poor guy
It makes me sad 🥲 he was so happy…
bro worked his ass off with his favorite character and his opponent raged like a baby in a public setting, its honestly no ones fault but the opponents to get angry in a setting like that, he can go be angry once hes not in the venue anymore but thats really immature
@@Myst1c_OW worked his ass off lmfao he mashed buttons and won for free with a brain dead payuto win character
@@bearzdlc2172 who hurt you?? ohh right bayonetta...
"She almost ruined the lifes of the players who picked her"
This makes for a neat summary but i hate it cause it deflects responsibility of smash's infamously toxic competitive community.
Again I say: games that weren't designed to be played competitively, shouldn't be played competitively. Want a competitive fighting game? Tekken, Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, DoA.
Smash has been, is, and will always be, a party fighting game. Not a competitive. Otherwise what is the point of having items, moving maps, and final smashes? They aren't tournament legal, and they're core functions to the game.
@@silentcalling smash has been competitive for more than a decade, It is competitive by design and a history of balance issues does not chance that.
Sure, It has s Lot of casual content with fun itens and lots of rng, but none of that extra content is a "core mechanic".
It just bums me out. Like, fellas, these guys have souls to you know. Hate on Puff, or Bayo or Hero all you want, but please for the love God at least show the players common human decency
i was going to say this. Bayonnetta didn't ruin anyone's lives. The community's reaction to her did. Not saying she wasn't a problem but this isn't the last time a really powerful character will be introduced to smash. We need to do a better job a dealing with toxicity
@@jennytulls6369 sorry, but that is not how society works, let alone a competitive fighing game community.
And then there’s me playing her cause her attacks looked cool
I only played her since she was a relatable character. Edit: She also looks like my friend who plays Animal Crossing with me.
I just thought she was pretty 😭 same with zero suit samus lol
I played her when someone teabagged me in a local so I took my revenge
@@man-spider8365 I literally main her and got revenge several times (if you count trying to get peace KOed trying to get Pauline)
I play her cause she is strong.
Community: WE WANT BAYO! WE WANT BAYO!
Sakurai: makes Bayo extremely strong as she was no.1 wanted character
Communtiy: WE HATE BAYO! WE HATE BAYO!
No one asked for a OP Bayo.
@@stigma2936
this is literally how she is in her own game
@Darkzeroprojects the ballot is a first past the post system and everyone voted for meme characters like Goku and Shrek, so literally, most of the votes had to be discarded. Bayo ended up being the character with the highest amount of votes at the end
@Darkzeroprojects yes, but they weren't interested in meme characters back then.
@@xlectraheart This is such a dumb fucking take. Many of the nintendo characters are broken as hell in their own games, but people arent complaining about how they are tuned down in Smash because its how you balance the game. People wanted Bayo in the game expecting her being toned down, naturally. I really cant believe it when people bring this shit up.
I mean it’s Bayo, what were y’all expecting?💀 she’s an icon, she’s a legend, and she is the moment, like come on now🔥
Lol she is garbage asf, if you want someone good or decent try Pikachu or MewTwo, fuck even gano is a better choice.
@@ThatGuyRaging somebody hasn’t played her games..
@@lyrickredwater7067 that game looks like shit lol. I think ill just stick to doom and interesting single player campaigns. Whatever the fuck shes from. 0 interest.
@@ThatGuyRaging she's literally in a single player game. Lol doom is somehow magical now?
@@surtrlombarde4243 Doom was always awesome.
I remember being so excited, because I love the Bayonetta games, but every time I played her, my friend would just groan, even though I barely knew how to use her.
Sucks to be someone who just likes a character, even when you have no competitive standing, lol
I feel ya bud.
I play bayonetta in smash ultimate (my first real smash game) and my friends still complain because I know how to combo with her, like yes I can rack up damage but that damage is nothing without reliable kills
Sad thing is your friend who complained about her despite you barely knowing how to play her was literally just like 65% of the smash community lol they complaining bout basic little avoidable things over simply learning the matchup. The energy they spent complaining could of been put towards getting better
@Genocide is fun u say it was impossible to beat her yet she won only 3 majors in her time lmao that don't sound like impossible to beat n also yeah pro players complained about her but guess what else pro players did? They learned the matchup, they studied how to beat her, they actually put the work in compared the typical casual who complained about her yet still decided to never learn how to di or sdi n continued to be overly aggressive vs a character that had the best counter in the game. Yes, if played by a pro player the best character in a game will be very tough to face but at a casual level spending a little bit of time learning the matchup instead of complaining makes a massive difference. Y'all act as if every person that picked up bayo could read sdi, adjust their combos, play optimally in neutral n take advantage of every little mistake
Genocide is fun dude tell me where they were “denouncing their skill”
Community: hates bayonetta players
bayonetta players: gives them literally the dirty finger in an evo finals
Community: *surprised pikachu face*
Hate is an understatement. There were homophobic slurs, death threats, and the likes aimed towards kids.
@@inplane9970 Wow. That is bad what is this world coming to.
It’s called playing the heel.
You can only hate on Bayo players so much before they start hating you back. People at my local hate me bc I always get top 5 with Bayo in ultimate. One dude when disconnected his controller bc I combod him once *while he was winning*.
People don’t hate Bayo bc she’s still good. People want her to still be good bc they hate her.
ikr
I feel so bad for that Dunk Hunt player he looked like he was about to cry. He worked so hard only to get killed at 50 when he was winning the match.
@J Lebleu Say goodbye to your life then. Salem and Raito are both PGR top 30 so it would be close games
@@nomanm.5884 lol that's what i was thinking too. people must be underestimating salem because he used a busted character in smash 4. he's still a top player with solid fundamentals and can put in work with anyone. his results in ultimate have still been good with various characters.
@Tesseracthanos The topic of discussion isn't to do with Bayo, it's about the skill gap between the two players. It's quite tight in my opinion and if they both played with their best characters 100 times in a row, the games would really go down to the wire. You guys are seriously underestimating Salem's skill, just because he used a broken character in sm4sh you all think he was carried.
J Lebleu in the clip it was Captain Zack
IDK why people are saying that was Salem, that was CaptainZack
If bayonetta's character knew about this, she'd love it😂
"Ruined the lives of those who played her"? Wow, that's over exaggerating and at the same time shows how petty can a community get.
This is why I really don't like alot of the people in the Smash community and maybe the Nintendo community in general, a majority of the people here are either always complaining about a game and can never be happy until there ideal perfection of a game has been reached or they are fucking no personallity nerds that rage quit if you beat them.
Any community that doesn't have a life outside the internet.
@@Jxichi So basically they're like LTG?
@@Jxichi no one likes the smash community except the smash community. If every smash game was banned from evo they wouldn't be missed.
Right??
Hbox saying he would have got shot for stalling is the saddest truth I’ve ever heard.
But it's not and he isn't a stranger to it. While it isn't exactly stalling it's not like we've never seen him ledge camping.
How fucking toxic is the competitive Smash community? I thought league had the worst one but I guess I was wrong.
@@GodOfWarBG LMAO nah dude league is WAY worse.
Weiner Lover idk the average game, yes, but competitively not really. Pro Players don’t get shit talked for playing a certain character because everyone knows that for competitive games top tear champions will be played
@@GodOfWarBG
League is way worse... But smash is not that far.
A more recent version of this is Leroy for Tekken 7 in Evo Japan 2020. All the top players who refused to play Leroy got beat. This resulted in a Top 8 with 6 Leroy players. I don't think any of the former champions and usual favorites got to Top 8. And the champion ended up being a Leroy player of course. When he won he said "pick Leroy".
From what I remember, people were more angry at the Devs than the players. The players didn't get much hate, probably because there was so many of them.
you should watch that clip of Atif vs Zubair with Atif destroying Zubair’s Leroy with BigAss
No it's just that the smash community is a toxic environment
Yup. Most fans are understand that the pros were played to win. So of course they choose *very* best tool available from the devs, which was Leroy....
The reason the bayo players got so much hate wasn't the character, it was homophobia. Regardless of sexuality the players were flamboyant and the community hated seeing them win on an easy character.
@@soulforged7157 Uhm... what?
There’s a difference between one character winning all the time, and one player winning all the time. Joker is a top tier character, but you don’t see every joker player winning every tournament. But any pro that was never even close to getting in winners finals could pick up bayonetta and just dominate every game. That’s why players like Lima and captain zack got to grand finals but wouldn’t get so lucky in ultimate when bayo was not the same as in smash 4.
Overwatch Fans: "First time?"
Ikr I was reading this and I'm like, brig, Sig, Ana were all worse than this a some point lol.
😂😂😂
Don’t get me started on Brig😂💀
Not first time. We've been here before.
@@professional591 have ypu heard of metanight?
People: *hates bayoneta
Also people: “wait is that how she plays in her games?”
Yeah thinking that is normal...
She could do more stuff in her games by changing her weapons and stuff , I am happy that mechanic wasn't included
@@samarthgour3026 if it was everyone would be like “haha gottem ggs”
@@ami-kun lmao
It's different, in her game she has something to fight, on smash not, she don't belong to smash, she is just too much
"NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST PICK THE STRONGEST CHARACTER AND WIN THE COMPETITION"
I can't believe people were like this
KerimCan_ZBZ 98 I never played 4, but from what I can tell it arguably ruined the competitive scene, I can see why the community was upset to say the least
I remember her RUINING EVERYTHING. They honestly had a point
If something is absurdly busted and you continue to use it and only it, you kinda deserve the hate. It happens all the time in other genres, especially in games like DotA, where a certain strategy is so stupidly powerful, yet boring to watch, that people will rage if they see you even try anything similar.
But like, imagine Bayonetta losing to a monkey..
It's called variety bro, if sports like basketball was just LeBron vs a LeBron clone for a season it would lose appeal. Look at smash ultimate variety kept it strong, I seen joker, zss, olimar, Mario, among other win tournaments and produce amazing match ups.
When thousands of players claim Bayo was an unbalanced character there is a simple solution: ban it. Continuing to play it at competitive level was entirely on them, they can't complain.
I think a lot of people wanted her banned, but most if not all of the events never ban Bayo, the community didn’t really have a say in anything.
there are crowds that were disgruntled on her ban.
There were a lot of people who wanted her banned at the time, but there were also a lot of people defending the character so she never got banned. Some of the main arguments against banning included:
- You can SDI out of her combos (she can still kill you if she reads your SDI and at the very least you still take a lot of damage)
- Statistically speaking, she didn't have super high representation or enough placements to warrant a ban (At local/regional levels, there were other characters with similar if not better usage rates. Wasn't super dominant at top level for a long time, and by the time she started to become noticably dominant it was already too late)
- Brawl Meta Knight didn't get banned, and he was much more OP (he was going to get banned, but the only reason that didn't happen was because all the top players who played Meta Knight threatened to boycott tournaments that banned him)
Nowadays the consensus is that she should have been banned (even most of her then-defenders agree), but at the time it was a very contentious topic. It is really interesting to see though, since there are a lot of parallels with Smash 4 Bayo and the current trajectory of Steve in Smash Ultimate. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself
@@Chario_ I know nothing about this topic. But this was very informative, so thanks.
@@Chario_ I'm just wondering what people had on their minds when they said they'd "boycott" tournaments, like what did they want to do?
Seeing how an action game character like Bayonetta literally ruined the experience for most players, I can kinda understand why they haven't put Dante in Smash...
Hopefully Sakurai learns from his mistakes if and when he debuts Dante... or more Fire Emblem characters.
@@MarquisVonMonster moral of the story, don't put Hideki Kamiya's characters in Smash.
when i heard that bayonetta wasin smash, i knew that her move setd would be op cause i saw her moves in the real game where she can do aerial attacks well and even, air dodge. She's broken cause she can do air dodge..
guess they kinda forgot to play test her.
@@MarquisVonMonster lol I got that reference!
@@shun-li8204 smash doesn't deserve dante or any hideki kaiya;s characters
The Smash Community made me stop playing smash. Even in local tournaments you'd have adults raging against kids and that made me think why do I want to be identified with this? so I stopped playing smash all together. It's just not worth it.
You shouldn’t let a community kill the game for you.
Same. I went to a big local event and while I had a lot of fun playing the actual matches (like for real, i got excited every time me or my opponents made a cool play), and playing on stage was one of the highlights of my life, I simply couldn't be around all the people there. Everybody that went acted like a kid, even the adults. It was weird and I felt out of place and too mature
Yeah the community can be pretty bad. Some just take too seriously and thats coming from me, a competitive player
play melee, no patches for people to babyrage about. plus the players are usually older anyways
No need to concern yourself with a part of the community that is a bit toxic for you just enjoy the game... Not the competitive scene since some of the complaints may come from people over there and those who watch it...
That one kid that hits for real during imaginary duels
Ruined the life of people who played her? Really? That's so petty..
I mean if your talking UA-cam revenue maybe, but yeah, saying she ruined people’s lives seems a little over the top, like being sent death threats just for playing as her
@@korhol2065 Entirely deserved.
@@cooldud7071 for playing a good character? Nah fam lol
This is Smash Community
Wasnt captain zack banned from the community
How one character ALMOST destroyed an entire game: Leroy Smith
@SOD IT -w- That is why I said: ALMOST
@SOD IT -w- Yeah but in that 2 months he completely ruined EVO Japan.
ProDucktions Because he’s an American?
You sir didn't know the terror of Bob and Lars in Tekken 6. Not only 2 months but THE ENTIRE TEKKEN 6 LIFE SPAN.
@@zhaoyun255 I fell in love with Lars in Tekken 6, I still play him this very day, even with the heavy nerfs he received, but Lars was not dominating in many tournaments as much as Bob and Jack to ruin the game. Bob was mostly the reason Tekken 6 Esports was ruined
9:20 Yo imagine if they both got dq'd and Nietono won Evo since he got 3rd. That would have been a dope way to end smash 4.
Superpokemaster I don’t think nietono would want to win by dq tho, it would just be anticlimactic in any case
Nietono won EVO 2018 and Kameme won EVO 2016.
I'd take that ending over what we got. At least Evo would not have been disrespected without consequences.
@@nousername191 I'd of done it too ngl. When a character in a game is so insanely broken it wrecks the competitive format, and doesn't get nerfed? They deserve the disrespect
Nevertheless, it won't change how Sm4sh ended at such a low note
What did people expect?
It's a tournament for money. You pick the best characters to win, not have fun.
That’s the thing though. They treated the grand final like it was just a friendly match, gave up a stock and stalled as a joke. They were doing it to piss off the community, and sure maybe that was warranted, but they shouldn’t expect any respect whatsoever after that.
You can have fun, as well as compete. They did both, really.
@@olympian00 yall take smash way too seriously.
@@olympian00 after receiving such ridiculous hate for playing the character most suitable for the situation I think being friendly with someone in the same situation as you while giving the finger to the haters is something I can respect lol
money that viewers paid to watch their game. pros can't be selfish and say i play to win and pick one sided hero and just ruin the fun out of tournaments.
Let’s be real: Lima’s the only one that didn’t really deserve hate. Captain Zack is just a genuinely bad person.
Lima also still uses Bayonetta in Ultimate, showing that he’s fine with not getting carried, and still is an amazing player. Zack switched to Peach (an arguable top tier) and got bodied before he got banned.
@@yankees2864 Lima’s Bayo is sick, while one of the Europe ‘s best player, Bloom, mains Bayo
I never really paid attention to Captain Zack so what exactly makes him a bad person?
@@redmage8719 Everything that happened between him and Nairo. Guy is an asshole.
@@sushii8984 Didn't Nairo get banned too?
This video: **exists**
Brawl’s Meta Knight: *f o o l*
Meta knight was definitely more game breaking but Bayonetta was much more irritating
"You've much yet to learn, witch"
Bayonetta was busted, but the gap between bayo and the rest of the cast wasn't as big as the gap between metaknight and brawls cast, putting her in a place where there were still a lot of people defending her. Also twitter wasn't such a big thing back then
@@Flamingpaperbag Meta Knight felt like a Melee character stuck in Brawl, it was ridiculous. IIRC the only non advantage matchups he had were Bowser and Diddy Kong. I had to pick-up Bowser as an alt to hold my own against the 11 meta knights dominating my scene. It was bonkers.
@@RaengStinger I believe that Pikachu had the best match-up against meta knight
I always imagined Bayonetta watching Smash 4 streams and going "Jeanne, the babies are crying about me again." Then they both start laughing and literally feed off their tears. Lol
Most likely it would be them watching it from a tv mounted in the fitting room while Jeanne tries out clothes or something like that 😂
This is canon change my mind
Bayonetta would be mad because she hates crying babies.
Funnily enough I hear her say "Piss off not my fault yall whiners can't handle a strong female fighter. Y'all let a fur scarf be top of the game" or something along those lines
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In Ultimate: How One Game Destroyed an Entire Character
LooooooL
Bayo: "Is it all nerfs?"
Ultimate: "🔫Yes."
Damn
In smash 4, SEGA’s characters were the best, in Ultimate, unusable.
@@Sydney_Angelyt
Sonic? Joker?
Bayonetta to Palutena: Enough talk goddess.
Palutena in ult: *Palutena remembered that*
Community:we want bayonetta
Nintendo:ok
Community: we hate bayonetta
Nintendo:bro wtf
No she didn’t suck. She actually had the opposite problem. She was too good
@Julio Paulino then they should’ve said we don’t like Bayonetta or something like that
@@toluolomolaiye6433 I can understand how it can be confused
"it sucks how good bayonetta is" would probably be a better way for OP to write the sentence
@Julio Paulino don’t insult me for my common sense when you don’t seem to have much either
@Julio Paulino calm down. Don’t get pissed at me for almost nothing. In case you’re unaware if something sucks it means it’s bad. All I said is that she didn’t suck because she wasn’t bad. You say I have no common sense yet you don’t seem to understand the meaning of one of the most commonly used words nowadays. OP is not a synonym for sucks so like I said, don’t insult me for my common sense when you don’t seem to have much either
Vergil: “Don’t get so cocky!”
Eh, I mean sure Vergil was in a lot of teams, but you still saw plenty of different team compositions in MvC3.
B: Don't f@k with a witch💋
Hi Mather,BTW wobba wobba
@@AirLancer Lets not forget Dark phoenix. You might give someone ptsd if you just yell I CANiT CONTROL IT
@@xocu9221 there are jod clones now?
4:30 kid got so scared when they guy started raging
I know, poor guy lmao.
Yeah, that was crazy looking.
Always hating on the baddest witch !
Cereza, you’ve done it again. Our contract with hell will forever last due to these weaklings being sacrificed everyday. May the clan forever be.
Sincerely, Jeanne.
Mamamoo and Bayo stan? I love you
The Shadow Remains Casted
Dinosaint 987 PERIOD
@@gumiho8352 periodt*
Imagine getting salty at the players for picking the most broken characters when that's literally what happens in any esport.
@EmberMist annoying or not, you usually play what's meta to win.
The reason is not that it’s the best, it’s that it was completely unbalanced. Tourneys are supposed to test skill, and Bayo made it so you died before you could even freaking act at all.
@@miraruiz3585 still not their fault if the game is not balanced. You play to win, not to entertain
They didn’t get mad because of bayo being op it was because they treated Evo grands like a joke and combined with playing an op character they made the whole tournament look bad
@@95onimusha but if you dont entertain there will be no tournament to play
Ironic in the end. We caused our own destruction. I remember getting her back then and was happy that a character like her made it in. I played my cousins copy of Bayanetta which was more reason to excited. I stopped playing the game after becasue I would get bullied for using her. When you get bullied for using your favorite video game character.
Dagoberto Bobadilla Jr it is a sad truth. I played game bayonetta loving her character and everything about her. She was someone I wanted to play so much. And still play her game to this day. And seeing this breaks my heart seeing people bullied over using a character THEY VOTED TO BE IN THE GAME
I am honestly surprised a game like Brawlhalla did not step the wrong foot
mohammed jafer there’s a different between made up fighters and crossover characters.
Made up characters are usually the game developer’s own idea about their own ip characters so it’s usually balanced after many tests.
While, crossover characters are usually intended to be from their original source depends on how their own game functions work. Like Bayonetta, she usually can jump high and does sick combos in her own game.
@@trongtran8951 yea true makes sense, it was hard for them to create to many balanced crossover characters , I think what brawlhalla did is create fighter and just use crossover skins which was smart
I'm glad that's not the case for megaman
@4:32 Dude wanted to pop-off but after seeing the violent control throwing and table smashing by his opponent, thought it was best to just sit quietly, rein in the victory fist pumping, clench your sweatshirt and pray he does not go off on you.
I mean pop off for using a character that carried you? I think not.
@@Player-jh4ko its a video game man. Who gives a rats arse. Don't be a baby and play the game. If you have a serious problem with it start a petition to ban it in tournaments you know. Blaming players using every legal move to win is just sad baby rage.
Hmm I could win money by spending ages learning to play someone, or I could win money by playing this character that's in the game and not banned.
Ez choice.
Other gamed ban players. But the community was so busy crying at the players blaming them they did nothing.
Take dota 2 for example, when they add a new hero that character from launch is automatically banned from all tournaments for several months to insure the integrity of the Pro scene. And when they feel its ready, gets added to the available hero's in the roster.
Smash was just a dying scene that didn't know how to handle and obvious situation, while the community were a bunch of neckbeard babies who are the sort of people who would DM in an xbox message that they fucked your mum or would find and kill them
"How one character destroyed an entire game."
*J U S T M O N I K A*
Dank Even if she lose, Monika would probably just hack the game and delete them. Flawless efforts.
#JustMonika
What game is Monika from?
@@phredbookley183 doki doki literature club
J U S T M O N I K A
No! Steve is better
Salem wasn't carried by Bayonetta, he was carried by his years of research...
No, he was just carried by Bayonetta.
Snake sukks
Well, Bayonetta is research in a nutshell really 😜
Salem is carried by whale lol ꉂꉂ😁#JustForFun #ItsJustJoke #RWBY
Salem is rated 22nd on the pgr. He is a very good player
Salem is very good. He was definitely the best solo bayo. He's also doing very well in ultimate. Not as well as he was doing in sm4sh. Which does show that bayo did help him into the top 10. But to say that he is "carried" is too far
"Almost ruined the lives of the people who played her"
Ally knows all about that
@Random Person honestly
Poor Ally the best mario
@Random Person he was
Any one know what ally is even doing now ?
@@nv4896 He's still playing Smash and some minor scene invite him sometimes. No big comeback any time soon.
Hearing Zero's voice nowadays makes me feel way different than last year
Same
Yeah you can say that again
Everytime I see someone die at 50 to a bayonetta over 150%, I die a little inside
50??? more like 0
Except that literally doesnt happen to anyone who knows how to hold the control stick diagonally downwards when Bayo hits them.
@@inplane9970 someone was bayonetta main in smash 4...
@@perplexity8260 I actually barely touched Bayo in Sm4sh because:
1) I played mostly on 3DS, which I didnt want to risk breaking the control stick over playing one character.
2) She didnt seem very appealing at all.
3) Sm4sh is a very defensive game, which I mostly preferred playing characters like Palutena, Zelda, and Marth.
That isnt to say Bayo was fair. It's clear that they changed her combos in Ultimate to the point where the slightest DI will affect them. The problem is that Bayo doesnt have anything else to compensate for. She only has combos. When you remove a combo character's ability to combo well, they're not going to excel.
@@inplane9970 are we talking Smash4 or Ultimate bayo? Because ye Ultimate bayo is trash.
"How one character destroyed an Entire Game"
*theScore esports: Talks about Bayonetta*
Briggite for the first year after she came out in OW: Allow me to introduce myself
the difference is that Overwatch isn't completely dead LMAO
@@ednamode9048 tru
@@JimmyR42 cool
I still like Brig even after her nerfs
@@JimmyR42 holy shit dude you just murdered that guy lol
The classic “don’t hate the player. Hate the game” story
Makes me wonder how people would react if Vergil from Devil May Cry came to Smash. Just imagine how broken he could be
Or Asura's Wrath
This all could’ve been avoided if they just banned bayo in competitive play, every class-based competitive game does when a character is OP, why couldn’t smash do it?
They probably could not do that on Evo though, because Nintendo was a sponsor
because smash is a fighting game, not a moba
Because there was counterplay. Bayonetta was strong sure but She did have a few unfavourable matchups being Cloud,Diddy and Rosalina as an example. If the whole game was just Pick Bayonetta or you lose then there would’ve been a major ban towards the character.
Like Hero in Ultimate he wasn’t banned because he was mid tier at best.
@@shovemylagoon speaking facts my boi
@@shovemylagoon wasn’t hero banned though? Or am I on some bad intel
meanwhile everyone has been picking Fox in melee for 19 years
Yeah but Fox isn't a woman
fox doesnt always kill you for getting touched and when he does it takes a helluva lot more technical skill than side b-ing into a ladder combo
Fox is nowhere near as broken as Bayo. Not only that but the skill it takes to actually play it properly is way higher than that of playing as Bayo. And even then, Fox has a considerable amount of losing matchups in the higher tiers.
But theres falco or cpt falcon which are both great matches to fight fox. Fox is nuts but the thing is that he isnt OP... thats all that really matters in a fighting game. The better player should be the winner every time.
Soyboy fox didn’t kill 0 to death, fox was the strongest but he actually needed skill to play
Anyone who quits because their OP character was gutted was never a pro.
Frank Lee lmao that so true
Tell that to Armada LMAO
William Rosado Martínez Armada never quit because of that???
@@iUseDemFrapz he quit pit in pm cause he got mega nerfed
@eternity cosplay
"Trust me this was the community fault for voting for that champion in first place."
Naniiiiiii ???!!!! It could've gone either way, the hell ? Either *the developers* programmed the character in a fair way, or another way
Steve: "Wanna see me do it again?"
*"How one character destroyed an Entire Game"*
I am expecting a Part 2 featuring Ip Man from Tekken 7
At the least he got well nerfed. Nerfed but viable.
Smash's dev couldn't even do that properly.
If anything Julia saved the game by getting second.
He died after 2 months but he’s still broke tho
The Tekken community dealt with Leroy far better than the Smash community dealt with...well anything.
Part 3 with 2B in Soul Calibur 6
All the anger, broken controllers, broken friendships...
Over pixels on a casual party game rated E10 for ages 10 and up.
Bayonetta is hardly rated E10.
The same thing could be said about sports but differently, if you play something competitively where you make large amounts money chances are you’re gonna take it seriously
Imagine getting punching a wall and breaking your couch over a ball game 6 year olds play.
Money is on the line.
@@eegernades why not getting a job where money is sure to come every 15 days.
I watched this again after watching Sephiroth reveal in Smash trailer, let's see what he'll bring. Because if he is even slightly lore accurate... then Smash will be facing a real *tyrant*
*gets super-murdered by kirby*
@@rayhankazianga6817 Can't argue with that...
@@petrusstreamrock5315 I’m sorry but it is known that Kirby is the most powerful character in smash canonically....
I am here for no reason Idk why not THE but among sure
Yeah... No. If Smash was actually accurate, it would be Kirby>>Bayonetta>>>Pit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Like, everyone else. The three I mentioned are strong enough to accidently kill Sephiroth.
Bayonetta is one of my favorite series, and if you’ve played it, the idea that she invaded another game and ruined it by being broken and overpowered seems very on brand for her and I kind of love it.
"Years of research!"
200 yrs of experience
@@TCSyndicate throwing shade at league of legends...i like it
200+
200 years of *_C O L L E C T I V E_* experience
This is why I love watching low tier characters and low tier competitions
So much diversity
Mid tier and low tier characters getting the spotlight always makes me more interested than the top tiers
Underrated comment honestly...
I absolutely agree! This indeed transfers to Smash Ultimate.
It's yet another reason why I'm proud to be a King K. Rool main. He may be a low/mid tier, but when given the chance to show what he can do, I believe he's more hype than any top-tier could ever dream of. Mostly because you rarely ever see what he's capable of along with many other lower tier characters.
Honestly, I don't even like watching tournaments where top tiers are in the finals for this reason. I'm just sick of seeing the same characters like Joker and Pyra/Mythra for the 1,000th time! I mean let's face it... Their BS is not impressive anymore.
Even then, there are some characters that are technically considered high/top tiers, but are criminally underrated. Inkling, my secondary, is a perfect example. Yes, she has her flaws, but players who take the time to learn her can prove she is capable of really cool stuff!
It just upsets me that she's just outclassed by other top tiers to the point where there's no real reason to choose her over them. After all, why select a Squid that requires actual effort to be good when you could just play a Phantom Thief that's relatively easy to play and has a comeback mechanic (that is also very easy to get) that basically lets you take stocks for free...
However, I won't let this madness stop me. I have a strong passion for the characters I play, and I'm not going to let the meta discourage me!
Mid and Low tiers (especially mid tiers) in ultimate are getting a good amount of usage in the game. Incineroar has been getting some solid results as of late for example thanks to Skyjay.
Brawl meta knight: finally a true rival! Our fight will be *legendary!*
Meta Knight proceeds to get ladder comboed to death over and over.
If he hits her she just counters with witch time and one shots him. with a Smash attack.
@@skuarf sure bud, im sure you can time it perfectly to which time meta knights attacks
@@hayabuzon8219 Despite the brokenness of Meta Knight in Brawl, Bayo would probably win due to Smash 4's faster gameplay and Bayo's absurd combos. Meta Knight would be better on larger maps in comparison to Bayo, though, due to his near infinite recovery.
Dragonslayerz smash 4 wasn’t faster than Brawl MK.
@@michalkopij7356 Smash 4 Bayo has less of a speed disadvantage than 90% of brawl's cast. She also has witch time and an unparalleled combo game, as well as a great recovery.
It's always an interesting discussion when a character is very powerful in a game. Many people will argue that characters carry players and this is rarely the case as most of the times those players have put in insane time practicing matchups to make it work. Bayo on the other hand is a shining example of a character that is so fundamentally powerful in the standards of Sm4sh that we saw a lot of players perform at high level with her that have since disappeared once Ultimate launched. Top Smash players quit playing Smash 4 for it's last half a year of competitive play because they knew the scene would be full of Bayo players, which it was.
"Pros can still kill you for breathing in their direction"
*Never have I ever been so offended by something 100% true*
...hate to be THAT guy, but i hope you meant "Never before, have I ever been so offended, by something I 100% agree with."
But here, have a like.
@@brimfire7536 i dont see the mistake
@@breakerboy365 Ig the phrasing is different?
6:53 you know you are finished when your opponent does the anime glasses thing XDDDDDDDD
ill be honest, i still cant believe this game is played on an competitive lvl. i thought this was a for fun game cause everyone was just crazy.
Any game should be alwais played for fun. But ppl want to push the competitive button to make events and grab cash and post online how long their D is so it's alwais about close friends to have fun with or "the rest" to be judged, to never feel pleased by your own results etc.
@@sasuke65743 i guess my comment was off. I ment this game is only for fun do to it being a party game. Sure everything can be competitive and people take the fun out of everything but when compared to say sf or mk that are ment to be competitive its silly to think this is. Yes everything can be a competition but should it be? Maybe this makes more sense.
@@gojoewhite1234 this game is only for fun? the why nerf and buff characters?
@@ASliceOfYoyleCake im old i guess. i use to play games when they were finished lol. but the buffs and nerfs come from competitive play. if no one played the game on a competitive lvl im pretty sure not much buffs or nerfs would come out except for say bugs. also im saying how the game use to be and for most part i think still is. its a party game. all the crazy stuff drops and smash attacks and what not. but also is the game not for fun? are you saying unfun games need to be buffed and nerfed? i dont understand 100% what you are saying. but think about all the craziness that happens in this game. anything can be competitive thou. slapping someone in the face to speed running zelda. to me at the end of the day smash is a party game ment to be played for fun. sure get a cpl friends together and have say a tournament. but buffs and nerfs have no meaning. hell there is a perfect way to play monopoly. people can make anything a compitition. hope this helps cause im kinda tired of explaining/talking about this.
@@gojoewhite1234 If for mk you are meaning Mario Kart then no, that game is also for fun. You can have your chill race, be a prick and camp on a crate generator or just aim to be first but it's alwais the players who determine if a game is competitive or not. And to be honest, that game lately became a fucking roulette, you never know how many shells or cheats you are up against online. Like ppl getting it by shells but instead to roll and stop like you, they keep going rolling but as nothing happened. It's sickening -.-
She is the most action character in a game ever, was made to be broken on her own games (a hacknslash game), but they brought too much from her original game mechanically.
5:06 I mean whomever was playing Ganondorf kinda just specialed into Bayonetta's Wicked Punch...
Yeah he could've mid air side special, but then again, *witch time*
@@obscure_genesis ganon side b is a command grab and wouldn't have activated witch time, worst case scenario is that she doesn't get grabbed by virtue of intangibility frames(which i think were a thing in smash 4 witch time iirc)
Also he is playing ganondorf 💀. His opponent can literaly play any other character and he will still be on disadvantage.
we stan wolfy playz
@@Xode_25fr
If the situation has taught me anything, it's how childish people are. The tantrums thrown over Bayonetta were embarrassing.
And no, the character itself didn't ruin anyone's life. It's the community.
BeatGoat PREACH 🙌🏼💪🏼
But the community also ask for her so kinda dumb
both of you are correct. Especially the 2nd reply. The whole community, (well maybe not the whole community, but still the majority), we’re asking for her, and the minute they get her, they fucking complain. I mean come on… Even Sakurai himself said that smash wasn’t supposed to be, and was never meant to be, (even though they still do it), a game played seriously. It was meant to be a game to play and to have fun.
Spitting facts 👌👌👌👌👌
@LiL Speng Maybe they shouldn't have been actively harassing everyone who played Bayo. Isn't there some unspoken rule in the competitive smash community...No John or something? Basically "yeah it's OP and broken. Stop complaining"?
should've used Etika's reaction "BAYONETTA?!?!?!"
Right in the feels, dude!!! 😭
rip etika
Not really. The other 3 were spot on their reactions etika just over does it without knowing who's who
Remember when we thought the EVO Grand Finals was the worst thing CaptainZack would do?
How naive we were
Bayonetta : 3 Bayonetta in top 8 EVO
*Meanwhile Leroy* : "Weak"
Haha true
Bayonetta single handedly got me to stop playing smash4. The sweaty kids on for glory were just too much.
I would just run off the stage if I ran into a Bayo. They don't deserve to play
@@PocketHealer21 if was a male character I will be pissed...a female character get's s pass from me
Damn, you were losing to kids online?
You must really suck 😂💀
Pocket Healer coward
Guy Lloyd it goes to show how busted the character was. She broke the rules of the game.
bayonnetta: nerfed because she was too powerful.
steve: nerfed because his meat was too big.
this makes me want to play Bayonetta even more
She's still pretty good in Ultimate. Nowadays, you have to really work for the Smash 4 kills with Ultimate's balancing, but this time around, those kills feel earned, even if you don't survive the way back to the stage
Because you suck?
"It seems ridiculous from the outside looking in" - exactly.
I still remember that day at evo 2018. A lot of people rushed to watch grand finals and then a chunk left when it came to the 2 Beyonetta mains to face off. I can also remember everyone cheering for when the Sheik player nearly Ko’d Zack.
I love it how Bayonatta gets hammered and hated, yet the character itself is still just as sassy as ever. Damn, I love her
Hi MrRey,BTW wobba wobba
I know right
I hate her
@@xocu9221 hello there my dear friend! Hubbu Hubbu
@ *insert bayo walking past the salt meme here*
This video is basically those guys that go on Reddit to complain about a character because it’s too strong.
She was
@@gregoriolupercio5535 I don't give a rats ass if she was broken. Almost every competitive format for video games has the intelligence to ban an op character. This was a toxic community problem
@@nikkiev1662 yeah...even Pokemon regularly bans OP Mons, don't really know why the community just didn't ban bayo to be playable in the tournaments. But it's kinda evident that a decent vocal part(atleast the ones on twitter) of the smash community are still immature crybabies if the DLC reveal reactions are anything to go by
@@nikkiev1662 literally!
@@nikkiev1662 Ah yes, it's not the the dev's job to balance the game, it's players' job to ban the unbalanced character, of course.
Smash bros
"we ain't including mai cuz she's not for nice good kids"
*previously added bayoneta one of the hottest characters ever existed*
@Julio Paulino ZSS taunts too, especially the down taunt. jokers gun is fake, but you would need to be familiar with the source material to know that. finally, palutena side taunt. how can they slip in a pole dance, yet mai cannot be shown even as a spirit?
To be fair that was only a translator note. The real reason was because Sakurai didn't want to deal with censorship ruining a character.
I was at EVO in the crowd for that Finals match and I was laughing my ass off, I thought it was really amusing
This comment needs more upvotes
Where was Etika screaming “BAYONETTA”
Ok you know y man come on now.
The Mono Loco because he died? His reaction to Bayo was his best reaction clip and he deserves to be remembered
@@RDG99 Edge
Riley LoPatriello Smash Ultimate reveal was his best reaction
BAAAAYYYYOOOONNNNEEEEETTTTAAAAA??!?!??!?!?!
And now Steve, how curious that DLC haracters are the ones that break the game...
The smash community needs to use all that energy for something else
4:30 that's guys happiness went to Instant guilt
6:53 that man deadass went for the glasses fix smirk like some anime villain
What a chad
tbh, CaptainZack's posing/dancing was one of my favourite parts of his tourney appearances. Wish more people did more stuff like that.
There’s something hilarious about Bayonetta just coming in and clearing everyone and that being the end of Smash 4 😂 The fact that people voted for her as well makes it funnier. And people were saying they wanted Goku in Ultimate, and I’m guilty of wanting Dante.