In 1992 I was 25 years old and after several years playing clubs (since I was 15), I went on the road professionally in a band. Our food budget was $15/week each. We played 240 shows that year. I made about $10,000. Our rider specified that the promoter had to provide food at the gig. 80% of the time it was a Dominos pepperoni pizza. So much, in fact, that we changed the rider to say "anything but Dominos pepperoni pizza". Our bus had no heat and no water. We'd take sink baths at Hardee's. It was absolutely the best year of my life and it helped to define me as a person.
New subscriber! Great video. Your parting question was excellent, and explains why I never “pulled the trigger” to try going pro. Well, that and also knowing I wasn’t good enough.
Bless you, sir. This is raw beauty. Thank you for sharing your insight on the topic & for keeping strong! Awesome to see you live your dream in the face of consumerism ✊
I get paid in that feeling when you're grooving and you look at your bass and guitar player and they're rocking out. There's no other feeling like it. That's why I still play drums after 30+ years.
You've condensed a lot of information into a short monologue. You touch on one of the oldest dichotomies in the world that of Art vs Business and which path should one choose. You talk with a complex rhythm which tells me you've got music in your blood. The trick with any profession is to keep track of the strain it puts on you financially, physically, mentally etc. versus what you get out of it spiritually, emotionally, psychologically which it sounds like you are discussing here . The world is full of bitter artists and athletes who pine over how close they were to being contenders but something got in the way. There are those who chose the safer career paths, who can roll out of bed and make 100k before they get to breakfast who pine over not following their passions and giving to the world the beauty that is in their soul in the form of music or Art. When your young it's harder to see yourself objectively and in comparison to others and HOW others see you. Money is in some ways, one objective message you get from the world to extent what you are worth doing what you do, admission to school programs, gigs record deals, all messages ( and why should you compare yourself to anyone else monetarily and why should you care what the world needs vs what your heart tells you to do as long as what your doing gives you what you want) Then there is the whole discussion of what kind of music you play and to whom. Your struggle with money and music is universal and thank you for opening a dialogue.
"... but the worst rip off in the entire transaction is that I bought into other people's idea that having this material crap is going to help me live the life I want to live, and that my dudes is the cost that keeps on costing me." Amen... my dude.
I'm an audio engineer....I always felt bad for your side of the glass. When freelancing stopped supporting me, I literally just applied for a job at a studio and got it, the same way you'd go to work in any other field. I truly wish that was how it worked for musicians
That’s what I tell people all the time. Just get a job at one of the thousands of recording studios hiring. Full benefits. 401k. Expense accounts. Great hours. And BIG BUCKS. It’s like the recording schools cant churn out grads fast enough for all the lucrative studio gigs virtually on every corner of the good old USA.
@@viciousattackvideo To illustrate your point. This is from around twenty years ago, and it certainly hasn't gotten better. Between 1998 and 2002, I had the opportunity to visit Full Sail in Florida, Expression Center in Emeryville, 3 SAE schools in the US and 2 in Europe. They all contained absolute state-of-the-art recording equipment (SSL consoles, latest Pro Tools, great mic selection, etc.). They all had a very talented staff. At each school, I was able to sit down with the administrators or department heads and discuss the music business with them. At every one, I asked how many students actually got jobs. The answer at every school was: very few.
You might not see this comment, but holy shit, I just wanted to say thank you for the honest and generous way you offer insight into so many aspects of your life. Please keep the ball rolling here on UA-cam, if only for the fact that you help a great many people here find their way through the day. Cheers!
My parents told me this when I was young. I was never a "musician," just a music lover. Then, somehow, momentum started building, but I never wanted to live that music life, so I got a job (that I liked), earned the funds (to start getting equipment), and then, I got signed (as part of a group with a semi-well known side musician, odd enough). All, the while, still resisting all of it. Made some residuals, too. Not at any point, did I want to stop working my job, but I had a great little studio and it was a great hobby, that I made some money off of. You have to decide how much off each side you would like to sacrifice for, the art or the business. Then, they can (kinda) be merged into one (maybe). Great video.
That might be the most honest assessment of the finances of a professional musician than I have ever seen before. Kudos to you for having the stones to put that out there, and I hope your luck holds!
I appreciate your honesty. I have been a player since 1970 - I was 12 and got my first party gig and made (I'll never forget it) $25 - what blew my mind was getting paid for doing something I loved... I Played in a lot of bands and even got to hear my music on the radio. But you really hit the target when you said your lifestyle is the payoff. I did many side gigs as a photographer, designer and graphics guy. But mostly due to my musicianship I was privileged to work with some really talented people,... I won't bore you with the names, but trust me you have heard of them! Keep living your life on your terms... Peace and happiness!
Dude, I Appreciate your Candid Honesty. Many musicians think that you can make tons of money and still live the charmed life doing the politician thing. In reality, unless you've hit the big time, chances are you'll be grinding away as much as the nonpro. I had a choice at one point and chose the regular route, working a day job and playing when possible, no touring. As a result, I've seen my pro buddies and former bandages go on to tour, the us, some Europe, and bounce back and forth moving coast to coast, playing huge festivals, but having no real assets. Instead they have amazing experiences that i will never know. But I have a paid off house, 3 cars 2 kids and a pretty modest yearly income. I do have a steady gig that pays virtually peanuts, but allows me to get my inspiration out. All and all, its nice to see the other side of the coin. Thanks again. Your vids are awesome. Tell it like it is and I hope you hit the MegaMillion jackpot of musicians and land a legendary gig some day.
Too any young drummers, or hell any person reading this, always go with your gut feeling. If your parents/significant other and friends are saying one thing and you strongly feel another, ...Do me a favor and just go for it. I know it's really hard because you secretly care what everybody thinks, And your going AGAINST everyone's advice. Go with your first gut feeling, it's usually the one that, works out in the long run. I can't tell you how many times, I made that mistake being younger.
@@dancicconedrums Sure. 10 years and six figures debt to get my DMA, then spent 5 years making less than a living by cobbling together dead-end part time gigs. I'm now pursing a real career.
Wow, this is so deep in way more than just drumming. This is a philosophy for life. Thank you so much for sharing real numbers. It really makes it feel more real, I hope you don't eventually regret it because I honestly appreciate it. I don't normally comment here but I had to let you know that what you've done here is impressive.
This gives me a lot of hope. I wish people are more transparent about this. My current year looks like your first year but it leaves me hopeful that its only up from here. Also its reassuring to see that after you getting fired from so many gigs you keep going and always find new work. When I lost my first gig it left me devistated emotionally but this give me the hope to get up and keep going.
This is the most philosophical rant I have ever heard, and it applies not just to being a drummer it applies to anyone who has chased a dream. It's nice to see not all human spirits is completely crushed by the man. Rock on DUDE.
Great content! I spent 12 years as a gigging drummer and did quite a bit of work for Nashville folk so we probably have some mutual acquaintances. Your words are so true. If you get in that business to make money, you're not there for the music. Looking back on those years, my favorite part of it all was touring the country in a band with my friends, completely broke and living out of a van. I wouldn't trade that time for the riches of the world.
I've been a fan for a long time, Harry. Really enjoyed getting the insight to your life. That kind of honesty is hard to find. Keep doing your thing, stay true to yourself - that's a gift in it of itself.
Damn Harry...let me just say this: I found you on the Internet about a year ago, started watching your videos I have to say you’ve totally help me with my drumming abilities. Because of you I completely changed my set up and I have to admit it totally helped me even further! The more I watch your videos and the more I practice on the new set up I have to admit I’ve gotten better, however, I have to say, that your realism, honesty, and straightforwardness has probably been the greatest help of all! Thanks Dude! I truly mean that, thank you!! 💙
College guitarist here- I live about 3 hours from Nashville and I had the sick idea of "what if I just spend the summer playing music at Nashyville instead of washing dishes back home?" and I think this gave me the answer I was looking for- I've never been worried about money because I don't buy anything but everyone and their mother plays guitar at Nashville, so I'd have to be a man among boys if I wanted to make it big. But that's the thing, I don't aspire to be big. I don't care to make serious scratch playing music. In fact, I regularly refuse pay anyways- so maybe this Nashville busk-fest would be a terrific experience after all; If only I stay motivated to pursue it. Thanks, friend
ive played two busk fests down here in miami and it was a really fun experience. i say take any opportunity man. ive thought about moving to nash for music, bug like you said.....everyone plays guitar (im a guitarist too) so competition is high. and i hate the feeling of competition
There’s a very interesting article online somewhere by Fish, who used to be the singer for Marillion who had hits in the 80s. He breaks down in detail his touring income and expenses and it’s a real eye opener (though it’s a few years old now and in UK money). Especially if you put yourself in the position of a sideman to an artist like that, rather than the artist himself. Basically, the only musicians making real money are people you’ve heard of, there are no rich anonymous session players. Not any more.
Man I have missed your videos. and then you drop a bomb vid on us. Consider me a lifer my dude. I will forever dig your videos and more importantly your heart.
Yes I'm 52 and it's still on my bucket list to tour with a band. I play with an Elvis/Tom Jones tribute band The Kings of Vegas. I finally can I get the opportunity to tour a little bit. Playing theatre's, in Penn, Florida, Georgia, so far Scheduled. Day jobs have paid my bills all these years. But took jobs i didnt like and lived frugally in hopes of landing a band that desires to hit the road and have no regrets leaving a good job. Music has been in my heart and what im the best at. Your videos are spot on and funny!! I wish i was 25 again . Peace
Wow, this is insane. You worked your ass off and are a working a musician and made more than minimum wage only one year after going full time. Thanks for this video, I’ve been thinking about a full time musician as a career and this really puts the financial part of it into perspective, and i think I’m gonna try to do it. Thank you❤️
This proves what I felt 20 years ago: I need to make music, but I don’t have what it takes to be a pro. IOW, I need a steady income (eg faux security) for my sanity. And I’m not brave like you. But all in all it sounds like it’s working for you, and I’m grateful cuz I really like your vids and hearing about your adventures. Rock on, Harry, and thanks for your honesty, dude.
Damn. I guess I'm glad I failed at being a pro musician and switched to software dev. Oh I tried, and made a lot of the same sacrifices you've made, except that I smoked a lot of my money and practice time away. Doh! I also spent 5 years in university getting a degree in music. When I was finished I tried film composing. I encountered a lot of the same challenges, especially the ubiquitous "we can't pay you money (even though literally EVERYONE else involved with the project is getting paid) but it'll be great exposure!" At the peak of my composition 'career' I made $20 for a few minutes of music for a dance troupe, which took roughly 15 hours of work on my part. Now I have a wife, kid, mortgage, and a regular paycheque to help clothe and feed us all (just barely). I still love to bang the drums, and still play in a gigging band making enough to cover the gas to get there and the beer I drink while there. So I guess I'm winning...? Yadda yadda. Great video, dude, and your drumming is superb. Keep chipping away.
The Beard of Truth. I like it. I really like your HONESTY at the end of the video around why you drum and how earning as little money as you did, turned into a super fulfilling LIFE worth living, because you got to do what you love, which is play music with your friends.
I have a sneaking suspicion you're one of the best, most humble and genuine people to ever walk the face of the earth, Harry. Thank you for that, and keep doing what you're doing (or do something completely different if you feel like it, you know what I mean)
Lots of humor but more importantly total honesty blended with it. It is clear that music is a tough business to make a living but this video does make that point in a gentle fun loving way. I am reminded by another country music drummer, Mark Herndon of Alabama, who spent 28 years with the band and was on all their albums and videos as one of the four band members only to have it later revealed he was a paid sideman. Think of that Mark was there before Alabama became famous and worked as hard as the other 3 members but after decades never made it beyond being a salaried employee meaning he missed out on millions and millions and millions like the other 3 he worked with for decades read his book "Highroad" for details. Anyway, this video is wonderful and the humor is very funny. Thank you so much and keep up the good work!
Dude, THANK YOU for sharing this and being cool enough to just put it all out there. I'm also an independent recording artist (melodic death metal, so my potential fan base is way smaller than mainstream stuff). But I'll never stop doing what I do!
Not even a musician but man i love when I stubble upon people who are actually honest. Really hard to find that these days with the amount of people trying to look their best on social media. I wish you nothing but the best!
Dude! I don’t even play out, let alone try to make money with music. And yet, you STILL inspire me. Deeply. I’ve chased dollars before for too many years, and it just made me feel like I was prostituting my life. You’re particularly right about those “Allen Wrench Effects”-or what the pros call Opportunity Costs. If my life is free of the cruft of stuff, especially the time-suck of keeping and maintaining stuff, then I am free (let me repeat that, “I AM FREE”) to pursue that happiness I was promised as a birthright. Thanks for the reminder, Harry.
7:45 Brother, I literally laughed out loud. As a working drummer (in a basement apartment) I can relate. In fact, my last gf made a HUGE issue of this very thing. So I bought a cheap bed frame...and lost the chick. Someone caring about what your mattress rests on more than your happiness is a good early indicator they aren’t the one for you. Cheers!
Damn, dude. Ya know, the first time I saw you was your first appearance on drumeo with Jared, and I thought "this guy is very strange". Not to take a knock at your skills as a drummer, but you didn't seem as knowledgable as the absolute legends (Benny Greb, Larnell Lewis) that I had just come from watching. I had a weird feeling towards you and the way you expressed your interest in the drums. This video has completely changed my perception of you. Your passion for the art shines true to the enthusiasm you were throwing out on that drumeo video I mentioned. I know I''m leaving this long after you had posted this video, but I hope you're well, and I hope you're benefiting as much from quarantine as much as any musician can! Much love
New cymbals, that rehearsal studio with the "great room" new skins, those new pedals you always wanted, those in ear monitors...you come to realise no matter how much you spend its those same lovely faces you see in the crowd every night. I do it for you because you are my world, and i feel a million doing my lame thing infront of you 🖤
Thank you Harry. For those of us whom aren't quite as bold or as brave as you seem to be, you give us hope. Life truly is what you make and perceive it to be, and you just did a great job of reminding us of that. Thank you.
Nice to see you in resurrected form, Harry. You've been away way too long. And thank you for the honest info too. I'd also be interested to know the larger picture. After how many total years of drawing an income from drumming, to include the time before your relo to Nashville, are you making what you're making now? It may be helpful for newbies to know that as well. Thanks again, and more cowbell please. ^_^
LOL Yes, it has been. Only I wasn't able to grow a beard during my hiatus like Harry was. ^_^ I had three significant life events occupy my time for the past few months. Graduation from my college studies, an out-of-state relocation, and the beginning of a full time job. I'm looking forward to resuming my videos very shortly down the road. ^_^
Luck?! Well, that may be part of it - but it's obvious to anyone watching even a few of your videos that you're no ordinary dude. Your combination of drumming talent and passion, with the ability to communicate so well (and humorously) is a rare combination.
Harry one of the best video of the week. It reminds me of something Morgan Freeman once said when asked "if you didn't become an famous actor what would have been the alternative?" Reply "an Actor" this is what I do regardless of success or money. I would have done local theater, commercials etc.
Thanks for the video! Came to this video through UA-cam's autoplay. Most of the time since I was 20 I used having a thin matress on the floor, got myself a bed like proper adults have 5 years ago and now I think of ditching it. Actually going to try some drums - yesterday booked a lesson. No expectations.
From a different perspective, if you do something you love as a job, day in, day out, eventually you can stop loving it. So I do a job that I don't love but pays really well. So in my spare time, I can binge out on the things I do love. Balance!
Yes! This is why (personally) I will never make music my full time career. I love coming home after a long day of work and/or class and just playing various instrument.
Thank you so much for continually seeking to live your best life. I just stumbled upon you in the recommended video sidepanel dingy and I'm grateful as heck for the serendipity.
Great piece...I never had any motivation to play beyond the sheer joy of doing it, and the people I played with . Most of my best memories of being on this planet were being on stage with remarkably talented people in front of an enthusiastic crowd
You are an absolutely incredible drummer and creator. This channel, and videos like this, has inspired me TONS in my professional career thus far. #beardoftruth #dude #dudethoughts Thank you for all of this.
I subscribed. While I can’t give you money per se I will watch your vids and add to your views list cause you sir are living my dream. Don’t ever stop dude. I am trying to rebuild a weekend warrior gig at the moment and after my last band forgot how hard it is to find that chemistry. I digress. Keep on rocking in the free world. Dude.
Welp, I'm only about 2 minutes into this video, first I've ever seen from this guy before, I'm not a drummer and don't really need any of this info at all but dammit... i just subscribed. The jokes and witt in this guy's script is awesome lmao. He could talk about soggy kleenex for all I care about but I'd still listen, and most importantly, still enjoy!
truly this is fantastic❤ I am a retired high school teacher- taught computer engineering, math, literacy, robotics, special education and students with extreme exceptionalities ( some Violent) lots of education and additional courses plus volunteered Hundreds of hours per year, started and coached an all girls robotics team - unheard of. Never got a thanks from principals, raised funding myself for robotics, bought food for hungry students, used my car and gas for robotics competitions usually 2 hours away each way. On weekends. Remember, Volunteered. I put more hours in volunteering every week than my required time for teaching classes. The preparation of lesson plans, marking, writing letters of recommendation, committees, department head extra responsibilities, meetings (usually a complete waste of time) also took many hours weekly. Plus an open door policy helping any student in any subject throughout the whole school. But I Loved It!!! I really miss the students (Not the Admin.) Could have made twice the money - or more in Engineering, but i enjoyed teaching. A shame teachers are leaving in droves. Thanks.
omg man. this was equally real and inspiring. as a group of full-time workers trying to push this project and make it a full-time thing it's really nice to come across videos like this. Really appreciate you doing this. Heard you mention Boston as well. We're from Providence, RI!!! #subbed
As someone who’s a few years ahead of you in the music business (started my career playing with Ray Charles in 1979) but am at the starting line for UA-cam, I love what you’re doing!
Cruise ships, pit work and shows like Cirque du Soleil provide a decent income, and lots of performing experience and connections to land you gigs outside them. Also, drummers should learn classical percussion as well, since it opens doors to ballet, opera, symphony orchestras, wind bands etc. Many musicals have separate drums and perc, so if the drum set vacancy is already taken, you can offer yourself for the percussion job.
I can relate. You are preaching to the choir here. Im the other half of that crucial rhythm section, a bassist who sings. I also have made my living just playing gigs, and living simply. I too, dont drink coffee. I drink tap water, instead of buying bottled. No drugs or booze addictions here either. I also prefer biking or walking to driving. Thus, I only live in central locations that are within walking or biking distance of essential services, like grocery stores, drug stores, and basic retail. Most of all, is the FREEDOM and flexibility of time! Im not locked down to any traditional day job, so I can come and go whenever. Plus, when you dont have to work traditional hours, you are not subject to awful weekend crowds at those big box stores. I dont make much, but I always have money in my pocket, gas in the tank, and food in the fridge. I consider it a combined effort of God's provision, and self discipline. I make less than every other adult I know...yet I am blessed and enjoy financial peace and freedom!
Hey dude! Great video! 👍I love the fact you actually talked about money and made the video a whole lot of fun to watch on top of that. I saw your backbeat fill video on drumeo by chance... nice drumming. Keep it up, funny videos and all!
"I'm sorry Dave Ramsey, and Benjamin Franklin, and (burp) mom, but I currently don't have the foresight to understand why it's important to be secretive about how much money I make...."
I am a Drummer I have played thousands of gigs and I understand the pain that is emulated in this video. Music /drumming is done 4 the love of music and getting paid will all ways depend on how well you sell your self and obviously how good you are. These days its so hard to constantly make a decent income unless you get smart and start your own business and engineer some ideas that are new . great vid all the very best my friend.
When I was younger I wanted to be a pro drummer but ended up learning another profession (civil engineering). I'm glad I did. Drumming was still there but only as a side hobby.
In 1992 I was 25 years old and after several years playing clubs (since I was 15), I went on the road professionally in a band. Our food budget was $15/week each. We played 240 shows that year. I made about $10,000. Our rider specified that the promoter had to provide food at the gig. 80% of the time it was a Dominos pepperoni pizza. So much, in fact, that we changed the rider to say "anything but Dominos pepperoni pizza". Our bus had no heat and no water. We'd take sink baths at Hardee's.
It was absolutely the best year of my life and it helped to define me as a person.
Doctor: You have 3 months left to live
Musician: (sobbing )But how am I going to pay my bills for 3 more months?
LMFAO
LOL.
Best endscreen i've heard
I never wanted to earn a living from music. That sounds like hard work. Can't make good music like that!
New subscriber! Great video. Your parting question was excellent, and explains why I never “pulled the trigger” to try going pro. Well, that and also knowing I wasn’t good enough.
Bless you, sir. This is raw beauty. Thank you for sharing your insight on the topic & for keeping strong! Awesome to see you live your dream in the face of consumerism ✊
Hey, it's another Nashville guy. Amazing content man.
Mma on point, my two hobbies crossing over, damn
I don't make any money, I just play drums just for fun and I'm very successful. Successful at having fun!
Wholesome
Keep it up, proud of you!
You’re also successful at being a sex champ.
@@Broyale26 Well.. baningin' is fun; and we drummers love to bang.. ;)
If we cannot keep it hard. Change the drumbeat.
Be honest, Harry, all that money saved on food and living expenses went straight to the cowbell fund, didn’t it?
...and tostitos
*crunch*
The dudebell
@@whomst7574 at least he'll be prepared for many fevers to come.
..🎵...cock - cock - cock - cock......🎵
I get paid in that feeling when you're grooving and you look at your bass and guitar player and they're rocking out. There's no other feeling like it. That's why I still play drums after 30+ years.
You've condensed a lot of information into a short monologue. You touch on one of the oldest dichotomies in the world that of Art vs Business and which path should one choose. You talk with a complex rhythm which tells me you've got music in your blood. The trick with any profession is to keep track of the strain it puts on you financially, physically, mentally etc. versus what you get out of it spiritually, emotionally, psychologically which it sounds like you are discussing here . The world is full of bitter artists and athletes who pine over how close they were to being contenders but something got in the way. There are those who chose the safer career paths, who can roll out of bed and make 100k before they get to breakfast who pine over not following their passions and giving to the world the beauty that is in their soul in the form of music or Art. When your young it's harder to see yourself objectively and in comparison to others and HOW others see you. Money is in some ways, one objective message you get from the world to extent what you are worth doing what you do, admission to school programs, gigs record deals, all messages ( and why should you compare yourself to anyone else monetarily and why should you care what the world needs vs what your heart tells you to do as long as what your doing gives you what you want) Then there is the whole discussion of what kind of music you play and to whom. Your struggle with money and music is universal and thank you for opening a dialogue.
"... but the worst rip off in the entire transaction is that I bought into other people's idea that having this material crap is going to help me live the life I want to live, and that my dudes is the cost that keeps on costing me." Amen... my dude.
Your transparency is extremely refreshing for someone like me who aspires to be half as good as you are some day. Keep it up Harry!
I'm an audio engineer....I always felt bad for your side of the glass. When freelancing stopped supporting me, I literally just applied for a job at a studio and got it, the same way you'd go to work in any other field. I truly wish that was how it worked for musicians
That’s what I tell people all the time. Just get a job at one of the thousands of recording studios hiring. Full benefits. 401k. Expense accounts. Great hours. And BIG BUCKS. It’s like the recording schools cant churn out grads fast enough for all the lucrative studio gigs virtually on every corner of the good old USA.
Just transferred into audio engineering at school. Hearing this makes me happy.
@@viciousattackvideo *sarcasm detected*
@@mcr969 Lol
@@viciousattackvideo To illustrate your point. This is from around twenty years ago, and it certainly hasn't gotten better. Between 1998 and 2002, I had the opportunity to visit Full Sail in Florida, Expression Center in Emeryville, 3 SAE schools in the US and 2 in Europe. They all contained absolute state-of-the-art recording equipment (SSL consoles, latest Pro Tools, great mic selection, etc.). They all had a very talented staff. At each school, I was able to sit down with the administrators or department heads and discuss the music business with them. At every one, I asked how many students actually got jobs. The answer at every school was: very few.
You might not see this comment, but holy shit, I just wanted to say thank you for the honest and generous way you offer insight into so many aspects of your life. Please keep the ball rolling here on UA-cam, if only for the fact that you help a great many people here find their way through the day. Cheers!
Don't play music to make money, make money to play music - forgot who said this but I got it from Adam neely xd
My parents told me this when I was young. I was never a "musician," just a music lover. Then, somehow, momentum started building, but I never wanted to live that music life, so I got a job (that I liked), earned the funds (to start getting equipment), and then, I got signed (as part of a group with a semi-well known side musician, odd enough). All, the while, still resisting all of it. Made some residuals, too. Not at any point, did I want to stop working my job, but I had a great little studio and it was a great hobby, that I made some money off of. You have to decide how much off each side you would like to sacrifice for, the art or the business. Then, they can (kinda) be merged into one (maybe). Great video.
Might be derived from a Walt Disney quote with films replacing music.
being doing this for 30 years now and never looked back.
That might be the most honest assessment of the finances of a professional musician than I have ever seen before. Kudos to you for having the stones to put that out there, and I hope your luck holds!
I appreciate your honesty. I have been a player since 1970 - I was 12 and got my first party gig and made (I'll never forget it) $25 - what blew my mind was getting paid for doing something I loved... I Played in a lot of bands and even got to hear my music on the radio. But you really hit the target when you said your lifestyle is the payoff. I did many side gigs as a photographer, designer and graphics guy. But mostly due to my musicianship I was privileged to work with some really talented people,... I won't bore you with the names, but trust me you have heard of them! Keep living your life on your terms... Peace and happiness!
You are such an underrated youtuber
No one underrates him
Amen.
Dude, I Appreciate your Candid Honesty. Many musicians think that you can make tons of money and still live the charmed life doing the politician thing. In reality, unless you've hit the big time, chances are you'll be grinding away as much as the nonpro.
I had a choice at one point and chose the regular route, working a day job and playing when possible, no touring. As a result, I've seen my pro buddies and former bandages go on to tour, the us, some Europe, and bounce back and forth moving coast to coast, playing huge festivals, but having no real assets. Instead they have amazing experiences that i will never know. But I have a paid off house, 3 cars 2 kids and a pretty modest yearly income. I do have a steady gig that pays virtually peanuts, but allows me to get my inspiration out. All and all, its nice to see the other side of the coin.
Thanks again. Your vids are awesome. Tell it like it is and I hope you hit the MegaMillion jackpot of musicians and land a legendary gig some day.
Too any young drummers, or hell any person reading this, always go with your gut feeling.
If your parents/significant other and friends are saying one thing and you strongly feel another,
...Do me a favor and just go for it.
I know it's really hard because you secretly care what everybody thinks,
And your going AGAINST everyone's advice.
Go with your first gut feeling,
it's usually the one that, works out in the long run.
I can't tell you how many times, I made that mistake being younger.
Everyone told me I should pursue music... you're right, I should have gone against their advice.
@@ercussio mind sharing your experience?
@@dancicconedrums Sure. 10 years and six figures debt to get my DMA, then spent 5 years making less than a living by cobbling together dead-end part time gigs. I'm now pursing a real career.
Dude that was priceless! That was the best 12 minutes I spent today...Thanks! You're a great drummer!
So glad you‘re back, dude.
Wow, this is so deep in way more than just drumming. This is a philosophy for life. Thank you so much for sharing real numbers. It really makes it feel more real, I hope you don't eventually regret it because I honestly appreciate it. I don't normally comment here but I had to let you know that what you've done here is impressive.
I love you so much. And you keep making me love you more!!!!
Ha gay
So what your basically saying dont play the drums and do youtube videos 🤣😅😂
This is way better than television. Funny, informative, human, entertaining, inspiring and well worth sharing.
This gives me a lot of hope. I wish people are more transparent about this. My current year looks like your first year but it leaves me hopeful that its only up from here.
Also its reassuring to see that after you getting fired from so many gigs you keep going and always find new work. When I lost my first gig it left me devistated emotionally but this give me the hope to get up and keep going.
I can only advise you to also think about teaching.
And look for a nice woman with a steady job.
This is the most philosophical rant I have ever heard, and it applies not just to being a drummer it applies to anyone who has chased a dream. It's nice to see not all human spirits is completely crushed by the man. Rock on DUDE.
That beard is nothing short of incredible.
Great content! I spent 12 years as a gigging drummer and did quite a bit of work for Nashville folk so we probably have some mutual acquaintances. Your words are so true. If you get in that business to make money, you're not there for the music. Looking back on those years, my favorite part of it all was touring the country in a band with my friends, completely broke and living out of a van. I wouldn't trade that time for the riches of the world.
I've been a fan for a long time, Harry. Really enjoyed getting the insight to your life. That kind of honesty is hard to find. Keep doing your thing, stay true to yourself - that's a gift in it of itself.
Damn Harry...let me just say this:
I found you on the Internet about a year ago, started watching your videos I have to say you’ve totally help me with my drumming abilities. Because of you I completely changed my set up and I have to admit it totally helped me even further! The more I watch your videos and the more I practice on the new set up I have to admit I’ve gotten better, however, I have to say, that your realism, honesty, and straightforwardness has probably been the greatest help of all! Thanks Dude! I truly mean that, thank you!! 💙
College guitarist here- I live about 3 hours from Nashville and I had the sick idea of "what if I just spend the summer playing music at Nashyville instead of washing dishes back home?" and I think this gave me the answer I was looking for- I've never been worried about money because I don't buy anything but everyone and their mother plays guitar at Nashville, so I'd have to be a man among boys if I wanted to make it big.
But that's the thing, I don't aspire to be big. I don't care to make serious scratch playing music. In fact, I regularly refuse pay anyways- so maybe this Nashville busk-fest would be a terrific experience after all; If only I stay motivated to pursue it.
Thanks, friend
Do it!
ive played two busk fests down here in miami and it was a really fun experience. i say take any opportunity man. ive thought about moving to nash for music, bug like you said.....everyone plays guitar (im a guitarist too) so competition is high. and i hate the feeling of competition
A perfect balance of comedic and real. Thanks for making this man. Your perspective is wise and beautiful
This man has described my ideal life
Carrots and crushed red pepper on a mattress on the floor with six other guys-
Making music the whole time
That would be awesome. But I'd need burgers on some days. And some girls.
There’s a very interesting article online somewhere by Fish, who used to be the singer for Marillion who had hits in the 80s. He breaks down in detail his touring income and expenses and it’s a real eye opener (though it’s a few years old now and in UK money). Especially if you put yourself in the position of a sideman to an artist like that, rather than the artist himself. Basically, the only musicians making real money are people you’ve heard of, there are no rich anonymous session players. Not any more.
Man I have missed your videos. and then you drop a bomb vid on us.
Consider me a lifer my dude. I will forever dig your videos and more importantly your heart.
Yes I'm 52 and it's still on my bucket list to tour with a band. I play with an Elvis/Tom Jones tribute band The Kings of Vegas. I finally can I get the opportunity to tour a little bit. Playing theatre's, in Penn, Florida, Georgia, so far Scheduled. Day jobs have paid my bills all these years. But took jobs i didnt like and lived frugally in hopes of landing a band that desires to hit the road and have no regrets leaving a good job. Music has been in my heart and what im the best at. Your videos are spot on and funny!! I wish i was 25 again . Peace
I’ve been a professional guitarist since 2001. It’s awesome to know that other people get it. It’s such a blessing being free
Wow, this is insane. You worked your ass off and are a working a musician and made more than minimum wage only one year after going full time. Thanks for this video, I’ve been thinking about a full time musician as a career and this really puts the financial part of it into perspective, and i think I’m gonna try to do it. Thank you❤️
This proves what I felt 20 years ago: I need to make music, but I don’t have what it takes to be a pro. IOW, I need a steady income (eg faux security) for my sanity. And I’m not brave like you. But all in all it sounds like it’s working for you, and I’m grateful cuz I really like your vids and hearing about your adventures. Rock on, Harry, and thanks for your honesty, dude.
CumulusSkies I'm in the same boat. I admire the dedication and courage it takes to live this lifestyle.
I am watching this again with my ad blocker disabled. THANK YOU!
If I could go back in time knowing how unfulfilled and depressed I would be now, and just keep drumming instead.
More power to you man, you are a true inspiration to all those looking to chase their dreams. Don’t give up. Follow your heart.
Damn. I guess I'm glad I failed at being a pro musician and switched to software dev. Oh I tried, and made a lot of the same sacrifices you've made, except that I smoked a lot of my money and practice time away. Doh! I also spent 5 years in university getting a degree in music. When I was finished I tried film composing. I encountered a lot of the same challenges, especially the ubiquitous "we can't pay you money (even though literally EVERYONE else involved with the project is getting paid) but it'll be great exposure!" At the peak of my composition 'career' I made $20 for a few minutes of music for a dance troupe, which took roughly 15 hours of work on my part. Now I have a wife, kid, mortgage, and a regular paycheque to help clothe and feed us all (just barely). I still love to bang the drums, and still play in a gigging band making enough to cover the gas to get there and the beer I drink while there. So I guess I'm winning...? Yadda yadda. Great video, dude, and your drumming is superb. Keep chipping away.
Love these, man. Keep ‘me coming.
The Beard of Truth. I like it. I really like your HONESTY at the end of the video around why you drum and how earning as little money as you did, turned into a super fulfilling LIFE worth living, because you got to do what you love, which is play music with your friends.
I have a sneaking suspicion you're one of the best, most humble and genuine people to ever walk the face of the earth, Harry. Thank you for that, and keep doing what you're doing (or do something completely different if you feel like it, you know what I mean)
Hey Bro. Im a Drummer also for over 50 years. Your AWESOME and love your personality. Keep up the good work!!!
You have a lot of balls to show this. I have a shitload of respect for you because of it. Wish you the best..
This was deep on so many levels. You've got a new subscriber.
Lots of humor but more importantly total honesty blended with it. It is clear that music is a tough business to make a living but this video does make that point in a gentle fun loving way. I am reminded by another country music drummer, Mark Herndon of Alabama, who spent 28 years with the band and was on all their albums and videos as one of the four band members only to have it later revealed he was a paid sideman. Think of that Mark was there before Alabama became famous and worked as hard as the other 3 members but after decades never made it beyond being a salaried employee meaning he missed out on millions and millions and millions like the other 3 he worked with for decades read his book "Highroad" for details. Anyway, this video is wonderful and the humor is very funny. Thank you so much and keep up the good work!
First vid he's uploaded since I started watching, can't wait to see more!
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Dude, THANK YOU for sharing this and being cool enough to just put it all out there. I'm also an independent recording artist (melodic death metal, so my potential fan base is way smaller than mainstream stuff). But I'll never stop doing what I do!
Are you Krist Novoselic's son?
I was thinking: what if The Dude fucked Luke Wilson and had a son?
Not even a musician but man i love when I stubble upon people who are actually honest. Really hard to find that these days with the amount of people trying to look their best on social media. I wish you nothing but the best!
Dude! I don’t even play out, let alone try to make money with music. And yet, you STILL inspire me. Deeply. I’ve chased dollars before for too many years, and it just made me feel like I was prostituting my life. You’re particularly right about those “Allen Wrench Effects”-or what the pros call Opportunity Costs. If my life is free of the cruft of stuff, especially the time-suck of keeping and maintaining stuff, then I am free (let me repeat that, “I AM FREE”) to pursue that happiness I was promised as a birthright. Thanks for the reminder, Harry.
This video was both insightful and insanely entertaining. Props dude.
Beard of truth on the UA-cams... Thanks my dude 👍
Man this was really well made. Awesome personality and made me day. Keep up the good work man
7:45 Brother, I literally laughed out loud. As a working drummer (in a basement apartment) I can relate. In fact, my last gf made a HUGE issue of this very thing. So I bought a cheap bed frame...and lost the chick.
Someone caring about what your mattress rests on more than your happiness is a good early indicator they aren’t the one for you. Cheers!
This was really well thought out, structured/shot and absolutely hilarious you're awesome : )
Damn, dude. Ya know, the first time I saw you was your first appearance on drumeo with Jared, and I thought "this guy is very strange". Not to take a knock at your skills as a drummer, but you didn't seem as knowledgable as the absolute legends (Benny Greb, Larnell Lewis) that I had just come from watching. I had a weird feeling towards you and the way you expressed your interest in the drums.
This video has completely changed my perception of you. Your passion for the art shines true to the enthusiasm you were throwing out on that drumeo video I mentioned. I know I''m leaving this long after you had posted this video, but I hope you're well, and I hope you're benefiting as much from quarantine as much as any musician can! Much love
New cymbals, that rehearsal studio with the "great room" new skins, those new pedals you always wanted, those in ear monitors...you come to realise no matter how much you spend its those same lovely faces you see in the crowd every night. I do it for you because you are my world, and i feel a million doing my lame thing infront of you 🖤
Really fun video. Thanks for sharing your story and creativity.
Thank you Harry.
For those of us whom aren't quite as bold or as brave as you seem to be, you give us hope.
Life truly is what you make and perceive it to be, and you just did a great job of reminding us of that.
Thank you.
Nice to see you in resurrected form, Harry. You've been away way too long. And thank you for the honest info too. I'd also be interested to know the larger picture. After how many total years of drawing an income from drumming, to include the time before your relo to Nashville, are you making what you're making now? It may be helpful for newbies to know that as well. Thanks again, and more cowbell please. ^_^
Devikah devikah! love ur vids :)
Devikah it's been a while since your last video as well....
LOL Yes, it has been. Only I wasn't able to grow a beard during my hiatus like Harry was. ^_^ I had three significant life events occupy my time for the past few months. Graduation from my college studies, an out-of-state relocation, and the beginning of a full time job. I'm looking forward to resuming my videos very shortly down the road. ^_^
Devikah we wait eagerly :)
Love your vids! You've got insane chops!
Luck?! Well, that may be part of it - but it's obvious to anyone watching even a few of your videos that you're no ordinary dude. Your combination of drumming talent and passion, with the ability to communicate so well (and humorously) is a rare combination.
Harry one of the best video of the week. It reminds me of something Morgan Freeman once said when asked "if you didn't become an famous actor what would have been the alternative?" Reply "an Actor" this is what I do regardless of success or money. I would have done local theater, commercials etc.
This was an awesome watch. Thank you, Harry!
where are you dude? we all miss you
Thanks for the video!
Came to this video through UA-cam's autoplay.
Most of the time since I was 20 I used having a thin matress on the floor, got myself a bed like proper adults have 5 years ago and now I think of ditching it.
Actually going to try some drums - yesterday booked a lesson. No expectations.
The Jerk Store reference was enough to make me love this video.
🤣🤣
I really like your honesty and good hearted nature man, respect to you, Dude.
From a different perspective, if you do something you love as a job, day in, day out, eventually you can stop loving it. So I do a job that I don't love but pays really well. So in my spare time, I can binge out on the things I do love. Balance!
Yes! This is why (personally) I will never make music my full time career. I love coming home after a long day of work and/or class and just playing various instrument.
Me too brother. It's a beautiful thing. .
Easily my favorite UA-cam channel, keep it up dude!
My dream is to be a permanent adolescent with no responsibilities. Your priorities are straight.
Can you do a "Day in the Life of a Sex Champ" video, please?
@@Broyale26 Ow, bud. Really got me there.
Padlock Steve Can you do a “Day in the Life of a Sex Champ” then, please?
Thank you so much for continually seeking to live your best life. I just stumbled upon you in the recommended video sidepanel dingy and I'm grateful as heck for the serendipity.
You talk like Ryan Reynolds. You're like the drumming Ryan Reynolds.
pillFight i feel like he’s closer to jim carry
Hijole! You look like you would sell me the wrong ticket in the afterlife
@@HerbalistGuybrush Correct mr. Apocket. I am ready to take you now!
Like, the bastard baby of Ryan Reynolds and Jon Heder; talks JUST LIKE Napoleon Dynamite.
Y’all are all wrong he sounds like tj miller 😂
Great piece...I never had any motivation to play beyond the sheer joy of doing it, and the people I played with . Most of my best memories of being on this planet were being on stage with remarkably talented people in front of an enthusiastic crowd
You look a lot like Jim Carrey now with that beard
F34R he’s even funnier than him lol
F34R Ryan Reynolds with a beard
I think he looks like Krist Novoselic’s face with Dave Grohl’s beard
Agreed. It's a total Carey look.
FanaticalDrummer that’s actually incorrect, he doesn’t look like ryan reynolds. Jim carey, 40% cross over
You are an absolutely incredible drummer and creator. This channel, and videos like this, has inspired me TONS in my professional career thus far. #beardoftruth #dude #dudethoughts
Thank you for all of this.
"The True financial life of side musicians. (And drummers)" is hilarious.
I subscribed. While I can’t give you money per se I will watch your vids and add to your views list cause you sir are living my dream. Don’t ever stop dude. I am trying to rebuild a weekend warrior gig at the moment and after my last band forgot how hard it is to find that chemistry. I digress. Keep on rocking in the free world. Dude.
Welp, I'm only about 2 minutes into this video, first I've ever seen from this guy before, I'm not a drummer and don't really need any of this info at all but dammit... i just subscribed. The jokes and witt in this guy's script is awesome lmao. He could talk about soggy kleenex for all I care about but I'd still listen, and most importantly, still enjoy!
truly this is fantastic❤ I am a retired high school teacher- taught computer engineering, math, literacy, robotics, special education and students with extreme exceptionalities ( some Violent) lots of education and additional courses plus volunteered Hundreds of hours per year, started and coached an all girls robotics team - unheard of. Never got a thanks from principals, raised funding myself for robotics, bought food for hungry students, used my car and gas for robotics competitions usually 2 hours away each way. On weekends. Remember, Volunteered. I put more hours in volunteering every week than my required time for teaching classes. The preparation of lesson plans, marking, writing letters of recommendation, committees, department head extra responsibilities, meetings (usually a complete waste of time) also took many hours weekly. Plus an open door policy helping any student in any subject throughout the whole school. But I Loved It!!! I really miss the students (Not the Admin.) Could have made twice the money - or more in Engineering, but i enjoyed teaching. A shame teachers are leaving in droves. Thanks.
This is amazing
Ayyyyyyyyyyy
omg man. this was equally real and inspiring. as a group of full-time workers trying to push this project and make it a full-time thing it's really nice to come across videos like this. Really appreciate you doing this. Heard you mention Boston as well. We're from Providence, RI!!! #subbed
UA-cam had been recommending this video to me for a while. Glad I finally clicked. Fucking Brilliant Mate! 🤘
As someone who’s a few years ahead of you in the music business (started my career playing with Ray Charles in 1979) but am at the starting line for UA-cam, I love what you’re doing!
You're hilarious Harry. Keep on rocking dude.
Great content. Very genuine and funny. Keep doing what you love Dude brother!
Cruise ships, pit work and shows like Cirque du Soleil provide a decent income, and lots of performing experience and connections to land you gigs outside them.
Also, drummers should learn classical percussion as well, since it opens doors to ballet, opera, symphony orchestras, wind bands etc. Many musicals have separate drums and perc, so if the drum set vacancy is already taken, you can offer yourself for the percussion job.
I can relate. You are preaching to the choir here. Im the other half of that crucial rhythm section, a bassist who sings. I also have made my living just playing gigs, and living simply. I too, dont drink coffee. I drink tap water, instead of buying bottled. No drugs or booze addictions here either. I also prefer biking or walking to driving. Thus, I only live in central locations that are within walking or biking distance of essential services, like grocery stores, drug stores, and basic retail. Most of all, is the FREEDOM and flexibility of time! Im not locked down to any traditional day job, so I can come and go whenever. Plus, when you dont have to work traditional hours, you are not subject to awful weekend crowds at those big box stores. I dont make much, but I always have money in my pocket, gas in the tank, and food in the fridge. I consider it a combined effort of God's provision, and self discipline. I make less than every other adult I know...yet I am blessed and enjoy financial peace and freedom!
Great vid. Great beard. Great talk. Great.
Keep doing this.
Hey dude! Great video! 👍I love the fact you actually talked about money and made the video a whole lot of fun to watch on top of that. I saw your backbeat fill video on drumeo by chance... nice drumming. Keep it up, funny videos and all!
"I'm sorry Dave Ramsey, and Benjamin Franklin, and (burp) mom, but I currently don't have the foresight to understand why it's important to be secretive about how much money I make...."
THANK YOU Jared for offering Harry a helping hand. YOU are doing the Lord's work......by WALKING it.
the Dude would be proud of your Dudeness keep the good work......
I am a Drummer I have played thousands of gigs and I understand the pain that is emulated in this video.
Music /drumming is done 4 the love of music and getting paid will all ways depend on how well you sell your self and obviously how good you are.
These days its so hard to constantly make a decent income unless you get smart and start your own business and engineer some ideas that are new . great vid all the very best my friend.
A drummer and a computer guy sweet I have the exact same interests
When I was younger I wanted to be a pro drummer but ended up learning another profession (civil engineering). I'm glad I did. Drumming was still there but only as a side hobby.