Shaker cabinets are classic, they can never be "dated". They're not supposed to be a standout feature, its supposed to be invisible. The moment you add custom touches or embellishments to your cabinet style, that's the moment you "date" it. Shaker style will never look "dated".
Shaker has been overdone. However, it is a classic option. I'm curious to see what the next cabinet trend will be. Thin shaker is not doing it for me. I would rather do a plain, flat, cabinet.
@@lisaanderson3549 agree. I have shaker style and the edges, particularly along the bottom, collects dust and grime and is hard to clean. So flat surface is far easier to clean.
Yeah, I wouldnt say shaker is dated. Its overdone and boring as all heck. But Id say its the "default character" look, rather than "dated". Its inoffensive at least. Compared to the old cathedral style, like he mentioned. I have that in my kitchend and holy heck does it look like its stuck in the 70s.
I like the crown molding on my cabinets. I do not have the tall crown molding. I believe the molding gives the cabinets character and keeps my kitchen traditional.
I appreciate this video. It points out to me than most people design kitchens for fashion not for function. My wife and I both cook; food sensitivities mean we never ever buy prepared food. Almost every kitchen I have ever worked in is very, very hard to clean because of all the things that were put in for fashion and not for function. I would also like more quality. Stoves that the manufacturers of the range tell you “they are designed to be used once a week”are not useful. And don’t get me started. With cruddy refrigerators.
Admittedly contemporary/streamlined looks are popular now, but there are still a lot of multimillion dollar, high end buyers looking for a timeless/traditional homes. And that always means crown molding. I will never give up my OTR Micro!!! (Because I’m very limited on space.) Glad there was a reason for that hat, Mark. I was worried there for a minute. 😂
Planning for a major renovation of our tiny (1008 sq ft) craftsman house from the 1920s and really like these videos. The one thing I'd disagree with, at least for us, is the Shaker cabinets. We were fortunate to find a house with all the original 1920s built-ins throughout the house and they're all Shaker style. And especially since the house is so small, we want the new kitchen (and bathroom) to be consistent with the rest.
@@YaleAppliance1Not Yale…the designers! Sadly the appliance dealers know the facts about what works and works long term design wise better than the designers do. Please don’t take my criticism as if it were directed at Yale…you guys put out the best content on UA-cam in regards to appliances!
WADR, I understand your points on the Shaker style doors - but with a 24" standard base cab going for as much as $2k (without rollouts, etc.), you start looking for some cost savings and next to a slab of wood, Shakers fit that bill. Love that you two have teamed up! Steve - I still need a 30" wall hood that exhausts 650 CFM and is very, very quiet! Future video idea?
Cornice is a functional element of a build and in its proper place it will never look dated. What does look not only dated but utterly ridiculous is copying the shape of a plaster cornice down onto wall cabinets that don't go up to the ceiling in the first place. Run the cabinets up to the ceiling, and then if you need cornice, it's in its proper place and won't look silly.
my double oven just died. with 5 kids I'm now looking for a new one. we redid our kitchen in 2020 to our ability, so we have the classic 90's kitchen. we updated the island cooktop with a wolf and love it. Any recommendations on a oven?
For some people I think a double wall oven is still valuable. Their is still a handful of people out there you who not convinced that using a microwave is perfectly safe and refused to use them. I'm not one of those people use microwaves for many things including softening butter if I forgot to take it out ahead of time. And if they don't want like countertop oven on their counter does the kitchen is already small that is another case for a double wall oven. When I was a teenager I started to take an interest in baking and when I was a teenager was actually allowed to use the oven and because we had a double wall oven I could make cakes in one oven and my parents could cook their meatloaf in the other one. Going back to the baking if you bake fancy thing like meringue cookies many of those recipes have you leave the cookies to dry out in the oven after you've turned it off so having an extra oven you can use while your cookies are still hanging out is useful.
We are redesigning our kitchen, and we have dual ovens that we use a lot as we host all the family get togethers at our house. I am looking to replace them and looking to have 2 devices, 1 that is a steam, convention oven (hopefully to replace a microwave) and the other just for baking. Which brand combo would you recommend?
If we all liked the same thing the world would be BORING! Bought my matching bedroom set 34 years ago. Still love it today as much as the day I bought it. And when I moved all the movers loved it. Made comments on it. Several times… so we have to do what we like. Trends are trends. Good taste never follows trends…trends are called trends for a reason. They want you to spend money…. Always changing …..
I would add another thing to avoid… doing a tall backsplash made out of the same material as the countertop, especially if the countertop is a very busy or contrast pattern.
Dated or not, I've grown to hate OTRs just from family members trying to use the microwave while I'm cooking. It's better to give them both their own space imo.
@@YaleAppliance1 then you're taking up just as valuable space for a small kitchen. truth is 99% of the time OTR is the best choice for small kitchen. outside of small kitchen is where the only debate is
@@YaleAppliance1 I have looked into some of the niche manufacturers such as Big Chill and Blue Star as I am thinking of lavender appliances for my newly renovated 1929 kitchen. The issue is expensive appliances that may not be reliable and I want an induction range. What do you recommend?
Every video is about having proper ventilation lol! you guys should play on this lol. Ventilation ventilation ventilation! If I have learned anything from Yale it is that I need proper ventilation LOL. also over the range microwaves are shit.
15:55 Uncle Joe, in fact, does love his double oven. But he also has always hated crown molding (fake rich, fake artsy, fake old = bad taste), and nonsensical ventilation.
What dates a kitchen ?? I say it depends on where you live. If your located in the big city in a multistory modern building vs a small historic village in Connecticut, that might effect the style of the kitchen you select….. just saying 😅
Who came up with the over the range microwave anyway? The whole idea of staring at a microwave while you cook is obnoxious. Not to mention having it so high. Id rather have it integrated into a cabinet, or just have it on the counter.
All the advise on what to do seems dated to me. Keep it traditional so that in 25 years it still looks good. Use real materials like wood, tile, stone and actual real brass. I really think nothing that is in style today will look good 10 years down the road.
YES to have stove on outside wall and vent outside easily. YES! Love the dated clothing, but really, you both look classic, not dated. Dated immediately: those hideous gray, black and white backsplash tiles. Awful! Should we have kept the 1963 kitchen appliances in the house we bought in 1982? Harvest Gold? 🤪
WOW How wrong can you two be? 1) I love Crown Molding. It looks good and it finishes the top of a cabinet to the ceiling. The idea if something is installed poorly it looks bad is ridiculous. Dudes any thing installed poorly looks bad - Dah. So, what kind of weird Captain Obvious statement is that - crown molding has been in use since the time of the ancient Greeks. So No, its not dated, it is classic. You two sound silly saying otherwise. 2) The Shaker Door Style has been in common use since the late 1750's that's basically 275 years ago. Once again that makes the Shaker Door classic, not dated. Dated implies that the style was a fad like burnt orange shag carpet and lime green worm wood paneling. Those things like tail fins on a car will date a design, no what you are saying is your tired of classic design you two want to do trendy design. You are tired of something so it's dated? If it's run of the mill, it's dated? No, it's just you two acting like well if we are bored it is dated. You are talking about doinf trendy design. You know what happens to trendy design? It becomes dated. Yeah, exactly what you say your trying to help people avoid but it is more you are tired of clasic design.
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Shaker cabinets are classic, they can never be "dated". They're not supposed to be a standout feature, its supposed to be invisible. The moment you add custom touches or embellishments to your cabinet style, that's the moment you "date" it. Shaker style will never look "dated".
It already does. Sorry.
Shaker has been overdone. However, it is a classic option. I'm curious to see what the next cabinet trend will be. Thin shaker is not doing it for me. I would rather do a plain, flat, cabinet.
@@lisaanderson3549 agree. I have shaker style and the edges, particularly along the bottom, collects dust and grime and is hard to clean. So flat surface is far easier to clean.
Yeah, I wouldnt say shaker is dated. Its overdone and boring as all heck. But Id say its the "default character" look, rather than "dated".
Its inoffensive at least. Compared to the old cathedral style, like he mentioned. I have that in my kitchend and holy heck does it look like its stuck in the 70s.
There’s a difference between dated and timeless. Timeless is the goal in my opinion… average people can’t redo kitchens every decade
legit hilarious that you guys wore "dated" clothes, love it! great vid as usual guys
I was trying to find the video and post about the 1940s hat
"Of all the kitchens in this town...she had to walk into mine...Phillip Marlowe
I love a dated kitchen. The before picture always looks better than the after.
OK....
I like the crown molding on my cabinets. I do not have the tall crown molding. I believe the molding gives the cabinets character and keeps my kitchen traditional.
I appreciate this video. It points out to me than most people design kitchens for fashion not for function. My wife and I both cook; food sensitivities mean we never ever buy prepared food. Almost every kitchen I have ever worked in is very, very hard to clean because of all the things that were put in for fashion and not for function. I would also like more quality. Stoves that the manufacturers of the range tell you “they are designed to be used once a week”are not useful. And don’t get me started. With cruddy refrigerators.
Admittedly contemporary/streamlined looks are popular now, but there are still a lot of multimillion dollar, high end buyers looking for a timeless/traditional homes. And that always means crown molding.
I will never give up my OTR Micro!!! (Because I’m very limited on space.)
Glad there was a reason for that hat, Mark. I was worried there for a minute. 😂
Planning for a major renovation of our tiny (1008 sq ft) craftsman house from the 1920s and really like these videos. The one thing I'd disagree with, at least for us, is the Shaker cabinets. We were fortunate to find a house with all the original 1920s built-ins throughout the house and they're all Shaker style. And especially since the house is so small, we want the new kitchen (and bathroom) to be consistent with the rest.
I'm so excited. Another collaboration.
I’m thrilled to see you two together again. Thank you for your insights!
Sorry, Mark. Crown molding is timeless. I have it in mine with no regret. It blends with my traditional decor in my home. Feathers ruffled.
How do you finish cabinets to the ceiling without crown?
You can’t easily. They basically suggested a simpler crown more craftsman style
Go for a timeless look and forget what these “designers” tell you. They’re only pushers of the trends and trends don’t last!
We are pushers of trends? Is that what are telling you not to do?
@@YaleAppliance1Not Yale…the designers! Sadly the appliance dealers know the facts about what works and works long term design wise better than the designers do. Please don’t take my criticism as if it were directed at Yale…you guys put out the best content on UA-cam in regards to appliances!
Thank you...wasn't defensive, BTW
Always love these collabs with two greats at what they do.
Thank you
Great video Steve. Thank you so much.
If you have a cooktop on the island you can always add an overhead vent that runs to the outside. That is what we did. It was expensive to do though
WADR, I understand your points on the Shaker style doors - but with a 24" standard base cab going for as much as $2k (without rollouts, etc.), you start looking for some cost savings and next to a slab of wood, Shakers fit that bill. Love that you two have teamed up! Steve - I still need a 30" wall hood that exhausts 650 CFM and is very, very quiet! Future video idea?
Quite and effective are mutually exclusive
You lost me at your Shaker door advice. Thin line Shaker? I guess if you like ugly go for it.
I love crown molding! I don’t trust your judgment.
Good thing he said it....
Nice collaboration video! Yale is an awesome store and make great appliance videos. Good to see Mark Tobin talking shop with them.
Mark Tobin is one of the best in the biz!
Businesses: your home is dated, you need to spend money to upgrade 😅
NO...if you are renovating already, don't date it......
Cornice is a functional element of a build and in its proper place it will never look dated. What does look not only dated but utterly ridiculous is copying the shape of a plaster cornice down onto wall cabinets that don't go up to the ceiling in the first place.
Run the cabinets up to the ceiling, and then if you need cornice, it's in its proper place and won't look silly.
❤
I agree with all of your suggestions but shaker doors look timeless with clean lines. I don't tire of them.❤
Love both of these guys!
Aw...Thanks
my double oven just died. with 5 kids I'm now looking for a new one. we redid our kitchen in 2020 to our ability, so we have the classic 90's kitchen. we updated the island cooktop with a wolf and love it. Any recommendations on a oven?
Depends....I like Profile, LG for basic, and Miele and Wolf for something better
For some people I think a double wall oven is still valuable. Their is still a handful of people out there you who not convinced that using a microwave is perfectly safe and refused to use them. I'm not one of those people use microwaves for many things including softening butter if I forgot to take it out ahead of time. And if they don't want like countertop oven on their counter does the kitchen is already small that is another case for a double wall oven. When I was a teenager I started to take an interest in baking and when I was a teenager was actually allowed to use the oven and because we had a double wall oven I could make cakes in one oven and my parents could cook their meatloaf in the other one. Going back to the baking if you bake fancy thing like meringue cookies many of those recipes have you leave the cookies to dry out in the oven after you've turned it off so having an extra oven you can use while your cookies are still hanging out is useful.
I agree...But people should consider how often they use the oven first
We are redesigning our kitchen, and we have dual ovens that we use a lot as we host all the family get togethers at our house. I am looking to replace them and looking to have 2 devices, 1 that is a steam, convention oven (hopefully to replace a microwave) and the other just for baking. Which brand combo would you recommend?
Depends...I think Miele is the most intuitive and easiest to use. But LG Studio is decent and much less money
Id be down for all stainless steel and make it look like a restaurant kitchen.
If we all liked the same thing the world would be BORING! Bought my matching bedroom set 34 years ago. Still love it today as much as the day I bought it. And when I moved all the movers loved it. Made comments on it. Several times… so we have to do what we like. Trends are trends. Good taste never follows trends…trends are called trends for a reason. They want you to spend money…. Always changing …..
I would add another thing to avoid… doing a tall backsplash made out of the same material as the countertop, especially if the countertop is a very busy or contrast pattern.
I agree ! I would never put a slab on the back splash. They are ugly.
Dated or not, I've grown to hate OTRs just from family members trying to use the microwave while I'm cooking. It's better to give them both their own space imo.
Crown molding is historic, but was not really in historic kitchens.
What other options are there for OTR micro for small kitchen? Counter top is not ideal.
Under cabinet GE....Drawer type might work
@@YaleAppliance1 then you're taking up just as valuable space for a small kitchen. truth is 99% of the time OTR is the best choice for small kitchen. outside of small kitchen is where the only debate is
Ok....I see your point. However, it is really not a good vent
What can be done with living in a condo where the vent can't be vented to the outdoors?
Ventless European and keep your windows open
@@YaleAppliance1 Thanks!
@@YaleAppliance1 Is there a particular European brand you might recommend?
Best, Faber, Zephyr...just make sure the vent goes out the sides
@@YaleAppliance1 Thanks!
I absolutely LOVED the mini-shaker doors… until I discovered it was 2X the cost of a regular shaker 🤷🏻♀️
What is the appliance over the range at 3:35?
Microwave
What manufacturer of colored appliances do you recommend? Which one has the least amount of service calls? Blue Star...Big Chill ?
Depends on the color...Cafe, LG, and Samsung offer basic white/black. The more niche manufacturers offer different colors
@@YaleAppliance1 I have looked into some of the niche manufacturers such as Big Chill and Blue Star as I am thinking of lavender appliances for my newly renovated 1929 kitchen. The issue is expensive appliances that may not be reliable and I want an induction range. What do you recommend?
Lavender? You don't have many choices there...BlueStar, Big Chill.....
Every video is about having proper ventilation lol! you guys should play on this lol. Ventilation ventilation ventilation! If I have learned anything from Yale it is that I need proper ventilation LOL. also over the range microwaves are shit.
You are learning...
Noooooo not the crown moulding! I was planning to update my kitchen with it 😂
You can in a traditional kitchen...Then again, you can if you like it.
15:55 Uncle Joe, in fact, does love his double oven.
But he also has always hated crown molding (fake rich, fake artsy, fake old = bad taste), and nonsensical ventilation.
Just because you’re sick of shaker does. 90% of us like them. If you go way off you will never sell your house v
What dates a kitchen ?? I say it depends on where you live. If your located in the big city in a multistory modern building vs a small historic village in Connecticut, that might effect the style of the kitchen you select….. just saying 😅
and you are saying it correctly
Who came up with the over the range microwave anyway? The whole idea of staring at a microwave while you cook is obnoxious. Not to mention having it so high. Id rather have it integrated into a cabinet, or just have it on the counter.
All the advise on what to do seems dated to me. Keep it traditional so that in 25 years it still looks good. Use real materials like wood, tile, stone and actual real brass. I really think nothing that is in style today will look good 10 years down the road.
Except for white kitchens, right? You are right about classic traditional, and I think we mention that in the video
Who was the designer that put the microwave under the counter, totally useless and not practical .
I have one...
About the double ovens. Do appliance manufacturers offer air frying built-in ovens?
Yes...but none work. Oven is too large for the air flow
YES to have stove on outside wall and vent outside easily. YES!
Love the dated clothing, but really, you both look classic, not dated.
Dated immediately: those hideous gray, black and white backsplash tiles. Awful!
Should we have kept the 1963 kitchen appliances in the house we bought in 1982? Harvest Gold? 🤪
Everything once out returns eventually.....
Texas or Tennessee or Oklahoma or Syracuse or Florida. There are more places that utilize the color orange. Haha
So true
WOW How wrong can you two be?
1) I love Crown Molding. It looks good and it finishes the top of a cabinet to the ceiling. The idea if something is installed poorly it looks bad is ridiculous. Dudes any thing installed poorly looks bad - Dah. So, what kind of weird Captain Obvious statement is that - crown molding has been in use since the time of the ancient Greeks. So No, its not dated, it is classic. You two sound silly saying otherwise.
2) The Shaker Door Style has been in common use since the late 1750's that's basically 275 years ago. Once again that makes the Shaker Door classic, not dated. Dated implies that the style was a fad like burnt orange shag carpet and lime green worm wood paneling. Those things like tail fins on a car will date a design, no what you are saying is your tired of classic design you two want to do trendy design. You are tired of something so it's dated? If it's run of the mill, it's dated? No, it's just you two acting like well if we are bored it is dated. You are talking about doinf trendy design. You know what happens to trendy design? It becomes dated. Yeah, exactly what you say your trying to help people avoid but it is more you are tired of clasic design.
I am on the appliance side...